When the announcement went off saying, "Compound breach" Pickett was immediately on the walkie and the first thing he asked was something like, "Did the doctor get out again?"

My first thought was that he was talking about Jack. After all, Jack jumped Juliet and tried to escape. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought maybe not because Jack was never actually in any real position to escape because he was supposedly being kept underwater. He certainly would not have even been CLOSE to breaching the perimeter of the compound.

Is there perhaps another doctor they are holding hostage? Pickett doesn't seem to care for Juliet very much but she seems to have free roam of the area so I assume he wasn't talking about her. What doctor WAS Pickett talking about?

If this statement was obviously referring to Jack and I'm overthinking this, feel free to say so!!! :biggrin:

It's obviously referring to Jack and you're overthinking this. :)

It's obviously referring to Jack and you're overthinking this. :)
:biglaugh: After I wrote that post I kinda thought the same thing! Thanks for your honesty .... :biggrin:

i was thinking the same thing when he said that... again tends to infer that it has happened before..

oh no! Overthinking would be that the doctor they are talking about is Dr. Christian Shepherd. And ovethinking or not... I hope it's true.

I mean seriously Jack never got out. He was still in the building when he opened the water door and in this ep as well. Who know maybe they mean Jack but it would be cool if it was someone else.

If this statement was obviously referring to Jack and I'm overthinking this, feel free to say so!!! :biggrin:

No, you're not overthinking. This point has been brought up in numerous threads.
Jack had not gotten out before. Also, in a subsequent conversation, Pickett refers to Jack as Shephard.

Pickett could be talking about Jack, or we could be forewarned that there's another doc in captivity. One more thing to look for in the spring season, and to ponder over the break.

I think Pickett was talking about Jack. I mean for all we know, maybe the "security breach" alarms were going off like crazy when Jack grabbed Juliet and was trying to make his way down the hall, testing all the doors. We don't know.

but jack never really got out. when he has, he just got out of the room and into the hallway. there also was never any kind of alarm that went off when this has happened. he certainly was not talking about jack.

or, is the doctor they are referring to one of the survivors of Danielle's expedition???

yeah i found this statement very shocking. maybe it points out that the whole scene was staged to make kate and sawyer believe it more by referring to someone they know. meaning alex is a true other.

but yeah, i was taken aback by this statement b/c jack didn't escape ever....

It was referring to Jack. You are all WAY overthinking this. I don't think the people who make the show scrutinize every tiny line of dialouge the way internet nerds with way too much time on their hands do.
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And Jack DID "get out" of his holding cell. Just because he didn't really escape doesn't discredit the use of those words.

I think it was Jack. when he opened the door and the water poured in I would think that an alarm would go off........

i was thinking along the same lines, i dont recall the doctor ever escaping, how coudl jack get out again?
then i figured they had another doctor of some sort, that wasnt juliet.
then i thought, hmmm.. ive had this idea that since jacks dads body has never been found that maybe teh others have reincarnated him as zombie shepard!!
maybe they consider his water escapade w/ juliet an 'escape' and this point is moot, but it seemed too well placed a statement to overlook

I Do - hope it is Christian.

He got out when he threatened Juliet.

I think they were talking about Jack because they were very careful about putting Kate and Sawyer on the ground and guarding them. If it were any other doctor, even Christian then he wouldn't know who they were and would assume they were with the others.

It was referring to Jack. You are all WAY overthinking this. I don't think the people who make the show scrutinize every tiny line of dialouge the way internet nerds with way too much time on their hands do.

Only they do. Remember "The child must not be raised by another/an Other"?

Yeah I wasn't sure who Pickett was referring to with this line. I was leaning towards it being Jack, but since you posted this thread LIL, I thought I throw this point out there.

In the Glass Ballerina there's a construction scene where one of the others is talking to Juliet, his dialogue is quiet and it's hard to hear what he's saying, so we amplified it and this is what he said:

Other: ...so beautiful. Juliette, How could you do it? How could you hear what he said when Doctor Bailey went in

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1222341&postcount=346

It doesn't say anything about Doctor Bailey escaping, but it is another reference to a doctor. I dunno, maybe, maybe not.

I think they were talking about Jack, but if it is someone else the were referring to, maybe Karl is a doctor (Karl is the "Other" that was in the cage near Sawyer a few eps back, right?).

I don't think it is Jack either. Either it is another doctor, or someone else escaped and they are playing it for Sawyer and Kate's benefit/manipulation

Could they maybe be talking about the man with the patch and this be the first clue as to who he is and where hes located?

It was referring to Jack. You are all WAY overthinking this. I don't think the people who make the show scrutinize every tiny line of dialouge the way internet nerds with way too much time on their hands do.
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guess im an internet nerd w/ too much time on my hands?

you must be watchign a different show if you dont think TPTB scrutinize the epps as they make them, in fact why add such a obscure line as ' doctor escaped again?' that really has no need to be said UNLESS you wanted people to take a hard look/thought at it? was it just to divert attention from the 'slingshot mafia' about to make an entrance? take the line about the doctor out and the scene still makes sense, i believe it was mentioned on purpose.

So who actually triggered the "compound breach?"

In the Glass Ballerina there's a construction scene where one of the others is talking to Juliet, his dialogue is quiet and it's hard to hear what he's saying, so we amplified it and this is what he said:

Other: ...so beautiful. Juliette, How could you do it? How could you hear what he said when Doctor Bailey went in.

As in "that's so beautiful. Juliet, how could you do it?", meaning ~that's a great idea, now how are you gonna pull it off?~

As in "that's so beautiful. Juliet, how could you do it?", meaning ~that's a great idea, now how are you gonna pull it off?~

It's possible he meant it that way, my impression from his intonations was that Juliet had already heard what he said, the guy speaking meant "That's remarkable, how did you manage to hear what he said when Dr. Bailey went in?"

guess im an internet nerd w/ too much time on my hands?

you must be watchign a different show if you dont think TPTB scrutinize the epps as they make them, in fact why add such a obscure line as ' doctor escaped again?' that really has no need to be said UNLESS you wanted people to take a hard look/thought at it? was it just to divert attention from the 'slingshot mafia' about to make an entrance? take the line about the doctor out and the scene still makes sense, i believe it was mentioned on purpose.


I agree with you. Lost is clearly the type of show where the little details aren't mere "throwaway" lines. They're designed to be picked up on, scrutinized, and then somewhere down the road turn out to be an important plot point. For the record, I didn't think Jack was being referred to here, which would mean there's another doctor(s) around. Since we know there was a sizable ensemble working on Claire in the medical hatch, and Cuse and Lindelhof have suggested we will find out what happened to the rest of the doctors, it stands to reason that the "Did the doctor get out again" line could be referring to one of those missing doctors.

Lost is meant to be analyzed, that's part of what sets it apart from other shows. I too had to stop for a second and think - what doctor are they referring to here? Jack didn't come to my mind at all, probably because he was really let out. Silly, but I actually thought of Carl - just because he's someone who we've seen escape. So Lost in Louisiana, you're not alone with being confused by that line!

How
many doctors we know?
Jack
Christian
Hurleys doctor from Santa Rosa played by Bruce Davidson

I think they were talking about Jack, but if it is someone else the were referring to, maybe Karl is a doctor (Karl is the "Other" that was in the cage near Sawyer a few eps back, right?).
I don't know. To me Karl looked way too young to be a doctor. Weren't we supposed to assume that Karl was Alex's boyfriend - the one she mentioned to Kate when she warned her that they were going to kill Kate's boyfriend too? Alex is around 16 years old so I'm guessing Karl could be from 16 to 19??? He certainly didn't look older than 20.

since you posted this thread LIL, I thought I throw this point out there. In the Glass Ballerina one of the others is talking to Juliet - Other: ...so beautiful. Juliette, How could you do it? How could you hear what he said when Doctor Bailey went in?
It doesn't say anything about Doctor Bailey escaping, but it is another reference to a doctor.
Ooh, thanks for the transcription penyours!!! I hate those inaudible conversations where there's no way to know what's being said except by crazy amplification and supersonic ears. But maybe that's just a bitter deafie talking. ;)

That conversation SEEMS to confirm to me that there is at least one other doctor on the island. :)

So who actually triggered the "compound breach?"
I assume it was Alex. When the alarm went off, Pickett was shouting into the walkie, asking about a female getting out. Then Alex shows up with her magic island slingshot. :laugh:

Cuse and Lindelhof have suggested we will find out what happened to the rest of the doctors, it stands to reason that the "Did the doctor get out again" line could be referring to one of those missing doctors.
In what interview did they make this statement? And what doctors are they referring to? Danielle's team??? :confused:

How many doctors we know?
Jack
Christian
Hurleys doctor from Santa Rosa played by Bruce Davidson
Juliet
Ana-Lucia's therapist (can't remember the name)
Kate's childhood friend, Tom
Sun & Jin's fertility doctor
Ethan???

I agree with you. Lost is clearly the type of show where the little details aren't mere "throwaway" lines. They're designed to be picked up on, scrutinized, and then somewhere down the road turn out to be an important plot point. For the record, I didn't think Jack was being referred to here, which would mean there's another doctor(s) around. Since we know there was a sizable ensemble working on Claire in the medical hatch, and Cuse and Lindelhof have suggested we will find out what happened to the rest of the doctors, it stands to reason that the "Did the doctor get out again" line could be referring to one of those missing doctors.

Not only that... but those of us who only were able to "follow" the Lost Experience over the summer because we didn't have the brainpower to actually solve the puzzles... have great respect for those who can scrutinize the details and come up with some amazing theories!

IMO - not Jack. Hopefully Christian. :biggrin:

Jack did get out when they had to "swim" through the water and close that hatch door. He escaped from his holding room. Maybe Pickett knew of the planned trap to get Jack out to see Kate and Sawyer on the monitor and he said that to confirm what had happened.

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IMO - not Jack. Hopefully Christian. :biggrin:

Yknow, I used to think any theories involving Christian actually being alive were preposterous since he had been declared dead and was in the hospital morgue. But after Eko's flashback where the girl woke up during her autopsy, I've thought well maybe it could be a possibility.

That would be so cool - I love John Terry as Christian! :coolorng:

I don't know. To me Karl looked way too young to be a doctor. Weren't we supposed to assume that Karl was Alex's boyfriend - the one she mentioned to Kate when she warned her that they were going to kill Kate's boyfriend too? Alex is around 16 years old so I'm guessing Karl could be from 16 to 19??? He certainly didn't look older than 20.


Ooh, thanks for the transcription penyours!!! I hate those inaudible conversations where there's no way to know what's being said except by crazy amplification and supersonic ears. But maybe that's just a bitter deafie talking. ;)

That conversation SEEMS to confirm to me that there is at least one other doctor on the island. :)


I assume it was Alex. When the alarm went off, Pickett was shouting into the walkie, asking about a female getting out. Then Alex shows up with her magic island slingshot. :laugh:


In what interview did they make this statement? And what doctors are they referring to? Danielle's team??? :confused:


Juliet
Ana-Lucia's therapist (can't remember the name)
Kate's childhood friend, Tom
Sun & Jin's fertility doctor
Ethan??? You will love or hate this.
Arzt

Because I'm a doctor, and you're a hillbilly.

Sawyer

You're a damn high school science teacher.

I never thought he was dead. That it was just smoke and mirrors (magic trick) not Smokey with a chunk of something for added effect.
Shepard wasn't on the list was how they refered to Jack, Juliette would be Juliet, Think of Arzt and his personality "The Doctor" could be the nickname they gave him. Now that would be cool

Could it be Klue or what ever her name is? Was she a doctor? Hmn!!

I think Pickett was talking about Jack. The alarm could have gone off in the surface and he wouldn' have heard it underwater (by the way, those walkie talkies are pretty good if the can be used to communicate with the surface).

Pickett has referred to Jack as Shephard and the Doctor, which I don't find strange at all, I sometimes referr to people by different names (my friend José Luis is Joe, José, José Luis or LastName depending on who I'm talking to).

That said, I guess it's possible that there's another doctor around, but I don't think so.

I do want to point out that even if he was referring to another doctor, it would never in a million years be Christian for the simple reason that Christian, if some have forgotten, was also a spinal surgeon (Jack was called in to take over when Christian was operating in that woman drunk, so they are both the same kind of surgeon). And if Christian were being held prisioner and he was good enough to escape, he would have been good enough to operate on Ben. No need for Jack.

Christian is dead, and Smokey took his body. He then scanned Jack and was able to materialize as his dad to lead him to the caves (he did the same with Yemi's body for Eko)

You will love or hate this.
Arzt

Because I'm a doctor, and you're a hillbilly.

Sawyer

You're a damn high school science teacher.

I never thought he was dead. That it was just smoke and mirrors (magic trick) not Smokey with a chunk of something for added effect.
Shepard wasn't on the list was how they refered to Jack, Juliette would be Juliet, Think of Arzt and his personality "The Doctor" could be the nickname they gave him. Now that would be cool

I like that. What about Libby...PhD in psychology maybe?

Could it be Klue or what ever her name is? Was she a doctor? Hmn!!

Oh that is a good one!

I doubt Libby since we saw her die and tptb have said that when someones dead they're dead.

I have a theory- It's jack's dad, he was a doctor and he WAS on the plane and his body DID go missing, although... he was dead...

I have a theory- It's jack's dad, he was a doctor and he WAS on the plane and his body DID go missing, although... he was dead...

As I said only two posts above, if Christian is alive and the Others have him, but he's well enough to "get out", then the Others don't need Jack. His father was also a spinal surgeon.

I don't think you're overthinking, I think there's a good chance that there is another doctor that had escaped in the past.

Well, did he say "did a doctor got out again" or "did THE doctor got out again".......?

I think that would answer the question.......

You will love or hate this.
Arzt
I never thought he was dead. That it was just smoke and mirrors (magic trick) not Smokey with a chunk of something for added effect.
That is very interesting! Sometimes I think the posters on this board should be writing the show - y'all have great ideas! :biggrin:

Well, did he say "did a doctor got out again" or "did THE doctor got out again".......? I think that would answer the question.......
I'm almost positive he said "THE doctor" but that could still refer to someone other than Jack. I mean, after Jack's one-time escape attempt, he pretty much stayed in his cell until they unlocked his door and then told him to open it. :rolleyes:

I suppose they could be referring to a doctor that has a penchant for escape attempts. Pickett seemed a little amused at first when he thought it was "the doctor" again.

yeah he said "THE doctor". I hope it means someone other than Jack ,that would be much more interesting :)

yeah he said "THE doctor". I hope it means someone other than Jack ,that would be much more interesting :)
I just rewatched that episode tonight and tried to pay close attention to what Pickett said and how he acted. After watching it again, I got the feeling he probably was referring to Jack. :frown: But I still love the theories of other doctors in captivity!!! :biggrin:

Didn't Pickett refer to Jack as 'Shepard' wasn't on the list? Not the doctor wasn't on the list?

Didn't Pickett refer to Jack as 'Shepard' wasn't on the list? Not the doctor wasn't on the list?
Pickett said that later in the episode, when he was on his way to the cages to kill Sawyer. He made the comment about "the doctor" getting out when the compound breach alarm went off.

Also if they had another real doctor why wouldn't they have called it for Colleen? Rather than use the new guy Jack?

Also if they had another real doctor why wouldn't they have called it for Colleen? Rather than use the new guy Jack?

depends what kind of doctor, Juliet's a doctor as well, but she can't remove a tumor from Ben's spine.

depends what kind of doctor, Juliet's a doctor as well, but she can't remove a tumor from Ben's spine.
And as someone mentioned before, a psychiatrist is a "doctor." So is a university professor. But they probably couldn't save someone dying from a gunshot wound. :undecide:

And as someone mentioned before, a psychiatrist is a "doctor." So is a university professor. But they probably couldn't save someone dying from a gunshot wound. :undecide:

And so is a veterinarian.

It's possible he meant it that way, my impression from his intonations was that Juliet had already heard what he said, the guy speaking meant "That's remarkable, how did you manage to hear what he said when Dr. Bailey went in?"

Ummm...dudes? That's NOT what the guy talking to Juliet says...he says:

"You're so beautiful Juliet...(inaudible in short spots) I cant believe you're actually considering (inaudible) back with BEN!"

You dont need a sound/channel analysis, just turn up your TV real loud...you can hear it fine.

When I first heard that line, I assumed it was Jack, but then, from their behavior and the confusion on Kate and Sawyer's faces, decided that there must be another doctor on the island who is somehow linked with Alex. Don't know why I got them impression, but that's what went through my mind.

And a research scientist could be a doctor as well. There are lots of doctors (even doctors of theology and divinity) who would be useless doing spinal surgery.

Ummm...dudes? That's NOT what the guy talking to Juliet says...he says:

"You're so beautiful Juliet...(inaudible in short spots) I cant believe you're actually considering (inaudible) back with BEN!"

You dont need a sound/channel analysis, just turn up your TV real loud...you can hear it fine.

You know, it's hard to tell, but I think you might be right. I am hearing "back with Ben" at the end of the sentence. That would jive, too, with the "you never made soup for me" scene earlier in the episode. But I digress.

On topic, I agree with the people who think Pickett is referring to Jack. He does say "THE doctor," which would be odd if there was another doctor that he was talking about, since Jack HAS gotten out in the past.

ETA: I know I'm going to be told to check out the "Whispers" thread, so let me just say, I have.

If that's what you hear, then that's what you hear, everyone on the whispers thread pretty much believes that people should make up their own minds. With this paricular scene, if you listen to the raw audio, you are basically trying to hear someone speaking softly while Sawyer is in the background making clanking noises with the rocks and wheelbarrel, there's about 3-4 background others talking, there's wind and other background island noises, and finally a few birds chirping. On top of this you are hearing the cumulative noise of mixing 6 audio channels together. It's easier to hear it when all those other sounds are minimized and the voice is amplified.

I agree that you are overthinking this. It is just a simple sentance. And obviously there are no other doctors cuz they would have that one also operate on ben, or colleen

I think Pickett was talking about Jack. I mean for all we know, maybe the "security breach" alarms were going off like crazy when Jack grabbed Juliet and was trying to make his way down the hall, testing all the doors.

Yes, this is what I think happened, and what Pickett meant. Also, Pickett wasn't around when Jack escaped, so Pickett might have assumed that Jack got farther away from the Hydra hatch than he actually did.
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I assume it was Alex. When the alarm went off, Pickett was shouting into the walkie, asking about a female getting out. Then Alex shows up with her magic island slingshot.

I agree with this also. Alex probably "escaped" from Miss Klugh's Day Care, at which point Bea alerted Benry/Tom/Pickett via walkie-talkie or radio. Someone set off the compound alarm, as a way of letting everyone know that someone who wasn't supposed to be there (in this case, Alex) was on her way toward the compound.