Is anyone even paying attention to them anymore?

After each episode people would be trying to tie the numbers into the number of
stones Alex had for her slingshot and the number of orgasms Kate had, but
I see no mention of them anymore. Are the writers still incorporating them into
the show?

Is anyone even paying attention to them anymore?

After each episode people would be trying to tie the numbers into the number of
stones Alex had for her slingshot and the number of orgasms Kate had, but
I see no mention of them anymore. Are the writers still incorporating them into
the show?

Most of the fans got their answer from the Lost Experience, however, I'm betting we'll see their re-remergence episdoe 310 (Hurley-centric).

I know I'm still pretty obsessed with 'em. But then, I'm obsessed with everything LOST. That said, though, to me, the numbers are a CENTRAL mystery and will certainly be revisited. That's what I'd guess and hope, anyway.

I have not forgotten; Sawyer's number in prison was 840.

Most of the fans got their answer from the Lost Experience,

Whick sucks for those that didn't follow it. I tried to follow it during the summer - going so far as to buy "Bad Twin" but I lost interest.

i feel the numbers as well as the smoke monster are ideas that will we unresolved at lest for this season, when looking back, the audience has been given no nswers to any mysteries on this island including the numbers. they played it out as being this important thing in season one, and then abondonded it. obiously i think the writers intetend to still visit the idea, but i feel it needs to be incorporated more in every episode. what this episode lacked was resolution of everyhting except the love triangle. the numbers shuold have at least been mentioned in this mini series

Maybe Jack was right…They’re just numbers Hurley!


Nah

Sniggering...the number of orgasms Kate had.

Good call. Now...what about the number of drool drops on the consol where Benry was sitting, watching...

Definitely something they need to revisit...those pesky numbers.

I just don't get it...the numbers were a primary (hee) part of the mystery of how they may have ended up on the island, and now they just seem to have dropped the question. Did Hurley ever say anything about how his jinxed numbers were the exact same numbers that the Losties were forced to enter into the hatch's computer over and over?

and just how may would Kate have had. I am guessing 4 because i am thinking that 42 would have taken quite a lot out on the ol gal...

Definitely, the Lost Experience made unraveling the numbers really tricky.
Fortunately for those who didn't follow the lost experience, all you need to do to get up=to-speed with TLE is to watch the 3-minute Sri Lanka Orientation video. Just search for it on youtube.

Eko carved them on his stick.

Definitely, the Lost Experience made unraveling the numbers really tricky.
Fortunately for those who didn't follow the lost experience, all you need to do to get up=to-speed with TLE is to watch the 3-minute Sri Lanka Orientation video. Just search for it on youtube.
My view is that any of the really central, important mysteries to the LOST mythology, such as and especially the numbers, will eventually be addressed in the television show itself. I don't think fans are expected to run around to all these different extraneous sources to put the puzzle pieces together. I think those other things are there for enrichment of the total LOST experience, i.e. for fun, some tantalizing clues and even some extra tidbits of information. But for something so key to the series as the mystery of the numbers, imho, the creators would not simply shunt off the big reveal to some extra-curricular source like "the LOST experience" or whatever, sorry. Anything central and key to the heart of LOST should and, in my opinion/best guesstimate, WILL be addressed on the series itself, eventually.

Which rocks for me, as I don't have a computer at home (GASP!) and do not want to get on youtube or anything else with audio and/or requiring downloading anything (like the Hanso Foundation site, for example, requires downloading Flash player or something, which even if I try to from work, I can't, so thar ya go, I can't get onto the Hanso site).

The numbers will be back and addressed on the small screen at some point. Of that I feel certain. Anything so central to the LOST mythology will be.
:) (yay!)

4 8 15 were shown on Eko's stick when Locke was looking at his message.

Definitely, the Lost Experience made unraveling the numbers really tricky.
Fortunately for those who didn't follow the lost experience, all you need to do to get up=to-speed with TLE is to watch the 3-minute Sri Lanka Orientation video. Just search for it on youtube.


That video was painful to watch. I featured bad acting, bad writing, and a a plot so bad it
was comical. I hope 'Lost' disowns that steaming pile as any sort of canon, because if
we are to believe TLE then 'Lost' jumped the shark before the first episode was filmed.
That was horrible!

We got some answers on the numbers via the LE, but I think that we will find out more whenever we finally see Rousseau again. I think that we will know more about the island history when we find out more of her backstory, as well as more info on the Others and DHARMA. Right now we are not viewing situations where the numbers would be applicable, outside of their cameo appearances.

and just how may would Kate have had. I am guessing 4 because i am thinking that 42 would have taken quite a lot out on the ol gal...
My think it would have taken more out of Sawyer.

The show is the show. TLE provides a few tibits more of information, but it still does answer the questions raised on the show.

Okay so we know what DHARMA means, but does that tell us anythng?

We know that the numbers are the key factors in a magical equation, but does that tell us anything?

I believe the questions will be answered on the show. The side-experiences (Bad Twins, TLE, puzzles, etc.) may provide some tidbits of information, but the questions will be answered on the show for everyone to see and experience.

My view is that any of the really central, important mysteries to the LOST mythology, such as and especially the numbers, will eventually be addressed in the television show itself.

Here's what Gregg Nations had to say on the subject:
the numbers will probably never be explained within the show. So ordinary viewers won't get the explanation -- but is that a bad thing? Do you think the ordinary viewer even cares, or do they just watch the episodes for the fun of it?
from this thread: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=63985

I think they numbers will be back. They may have explained their "source" (as well as DHARMA's use of them) on the LOST EXPERIENCE but that still doesn't explain the effect they have. THAT I think will never be resolved and won't really make a difference i.m.o. It's simply enough to know that someone figured out a code that was like opening pandora's box. Think "PI"...(By Darren Aronofsky) Once you saw where the numbers came from (The equation) did it take anything away from the film that they never really explained why they affected Maximillian Cohen the way they did? The Hasidic cabalistic sect thought they were one thing, The Wall street goons another..and Max simply understood that they were "powerful"...mathematics is the language of nature..that should be enough.

Hope they pop back up sometime soon never the less

;)

I think it's a lot like the summer of 2005, when people who had the patience to unravel thehansofoundation.org received an advanced knowlege of information revealed in the first orientation video.
And the acting in Sri Lanka Orientation, post-orientation video, is so awful I ignore it and assume it's not canon. But that orientation host is palatable.
So, they'll probably show Sri Lanka orientation at some point this season. Sans really bad non-hanso actors.

Here's what Gregg Nations had to say on the subject:

from this thread: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=63985


In other words, they know that their explanation is so absurd that they are afraid
to ever mention this hokum on the show for fear of the viewership completely
abandoning the show. If they really don't want to explain the numbers (and it's all
some grand coincidence) then fine. However, the explanation given in TLE is
just too much to swallow. As a person who took a lot of hard science and who
majored in mathematics... uh, no. My BS meter is pegged.

If it hasn't been mentioned, Jae Lee's hotel room in "The Glass Ballerina" was Room 1516. I knew nothing bad was going to happen to Kate in the beginning of "I Do" because her room number didn't contain any of the NUMBERS. HA!

In other words, they know that their explanation is so absurd that they are afraid
to ever mention this hokum on the show for fear of the viewership completely
abandoning the show. If they really don't want to explain the numbers (and it's all
some grand coincidence) then fine. However, the explanation given in TLE is
just too much to swallow. As a person who took a lot of hard science and who
majored in mathematics... uh, no. My BS meter is pegged.

I don't believe the NUMBERS were meant to be real mathematics or real science. The TPTB tried to put them forth as an idea in the guise of mathematics aimed at those who know nothing about math (like myself.) Like a lot of what they do the results are mixed depending on the audience. But I think the NUMBERS are a storytelling device and the Lost Experience video described why they act as a nexus of fate: they're core, unchangeable constants in an equation that can predict the end of the world. Thus they are freighted with bad luck.

We had a very interesting discussion about the NUMBERS and the Valenzetti Equation here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=57332).

We had a very interesting discussion about the NUMBERS and the Valenzetti Equation here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=57332).


Thanks! I read all of that and added my own ideas!

The numbers will definatley be revisted for sure.....

I'm trying to understand why hurleys lottery numbers (and the numbers at the side of the hatch) gets you 108 :undecide:

Is anyone even paying attention to them anymore?

the number of orgasms Kate had ?

Well I guess she would at most have had 4 because anything else would be sheer incredible!:biggrin:
Well let me think 4 would be pretty incredible too!:eek2:

I'm really baffled that anyone thinks they actually *had* to follow TLE to get the information it contained. I didn't bother because I knew that a day after it was done, dozens of websites would have a summary with links and video and audio and sure enough, there was. I watched the Sri Lanka video twice while reading the transcript on LostPedia and I was fully up to speed.

I think the Numbers are kind of sparse so far in S3 because there's not many opportunities for them. Lots of cages, jungles, and so forth. They show up a lot mostly in flashbacks, like Jae's apartment number mentioned above. A clear one was the brief shot of the passenger seat of Jack's car as he was stalking Sarah at the beginning of ATOTC. The crossword puzzle clearly was positioned to show 42 Across, which was Necessary Evil. The time on Jack's pager is seven fifteen and 23 seconds (sorry had to spell it because doing it with : produces an emoticon).

In other words, they know that their explanation is so absurd

Why is the Valenzetti Equation absurd? Look up the Drake Equation, it's the same type of thing; there's dozens more examples out there, you're a math major supposedly, you should know that. There's people that think that mathematics can explain everything, so it's not like TPTB are dealing with stuff that isn't already pretty mainstream.for fear of the viewership completely abandoning the showThen those people are idiots, full stop. They're willing to buy the Smoke monster but not the Valenzetti Equation, which is perfectly logical within the context of the show? Huh?

If the Valenzetti Equation is absurd, what does that say about Alvar Hanso and The DeGroots who bought in to it so completely that they set up DHARMA on the Island? THAT is why the Numbers are important, that three people bought in to something so completely, that they were so convinced they were saving the world, that they went through what they did to set up DHARMA. Since it says in Sri Lanka video that the DHARMA Initative failed, and from what know ca. late 80's *that* is why it's important to what's going on today with the Losties and Others. I very much see a parallel between the idealism of the late 60's/early 70's, exactly the timeframe for Hanso and the DeGroots meeting, turning in to the cynicism and despair of the late 70's (I'm 47, I lived through all that) and how the idealism of DHARMA (which had a Utopian Society component) turned in to the weirdness of the Island since the late 80's.

That video was painful to watch. I featured bad acting, bad writing, and a a plot so bad it
was comical. I hope 'Lost' disowns that steaming pile as any sort of canon, because if
we are to believe TLE then 'Lost' jumped the shark before the first episode was filmed.
That was horrible!

Haha yeah. Especially the girl's acting, what's her name again, Rachel Blake?
They put a call out for actors right before the shootings and went with what they got. Copies of those calls to agents can be found here on the site. No serious actor will probably consider playing in an online game for probably not their usual wage (after all TPTB have already clearly alienated TLE stating it was rubbish and shutting some sites down; It's arguable they will have smashed mountaisn of cash into it).

I think what was a nail in the coffin for the experience was the point where fans could get those free chocolate bars, Apollo, that KAte found in the hatch; Hundeds of people stood in line at some convention or store and it turned out ABC didn't pay for the experience crew's passes and they couldn't get in with the gear.

TLE was a badly ran steaming pile of poopoo, but unfortunately what was found in it is still supposed to be legit, however insanely absurd it is (an equation that says when the world will end based on 6 numbers? Niiiiiiice)

Haha yeah. Especially the girl's acting, what's her name again, Rachel Blake?
They put a call out for actors right before the shootings and went with what they got. Copies of those calls to agents can be found here on the site. No serious actor will probably consider playing in an online game for probably not their usual wage (after all TPTB have already clearly alienated TLE stating it was rubbish and shutting some sites down; It's arguable they will have smashed mountaisn of cash into it).

I think what was a nail in the coffin for the experience was the point where fans could get those free chocolate bars, Apollo, that KAte found in the hatch; Hundeds of people stood in line at some convention or store and it turned out ABC didn't pay for the experience crew's passes and they couldn't get in with the gear.

TLE was a badly ran steaming pile of poopoo, but unfortunately what was found in it is still supposed to be legit, however insanely absurd it is (an equation that says when the world will end based on 6 numbers? Niiiiiiice)


It may sound absurd if you think of Lost and its world as something real. LOST IS SCIENCE FICTION. You like it or not. Like someone else said above, check the drake equation which is a 'real life' equation possibly similar to VE.
The equation itself has not yet been shown. From what I remember from TLE, it may be EXTREMELY COMPLEX with lots and lots of terms. Some scientist in TLE said that it was something like he has never seen before. So complex that they had savants running the equation all the time at some institute. So complex and weird that this equation included egyptian symbols!!! What for? Could it be really an ancient equation found in some egyptian arqueological site?
And I believe that the 6 numbers are just the numerical values that, thru research, scientists have given to the 6 most possible end-of-the-world scenarios from 1970's and 1980's. Perhaps this equation deals with PROBABILITY. And this numbers are different levels of probabilty that the world is gonna end in a certain way...
If you google 'end of the world' , you may find lots of information and news about scientists 'predicting' different ways in which human race may end. Like we are gonna run out of resources in 200 years, etc.

And just to clear things up, the VE doesnt really predict the end of the world, but rather the extinction of the Human Race as a modern Civilization.