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Captain_Falafel
11-16-2006, 09:57 AM
Okay I accept that Lost is set on a dangerous island and some characters are going to die, maybe even my favourite characters...but what is bugging me with the recent deaths is it seems to be all about shock factor. The characters who die are not honoured with much emotion anymore.

Boone may have died first, but at least he got an emotional deathbed scene, a decent funeral and a number of characters broken up over his untimely end. The characters who have followed him have not been so lucky. Shannon was killed for the sake of drama, but at least she had one passionate mourner in Sayid. Libby also (though she was a very minor character) got a deathbed scene and some tears from Hurley (though he seems to have quickly forgotten her).

Which brings me to Ana Lucia and Mr Eko - the two most hard done by of the dead Losties. Considering that these two are the most major characters to have died so far I'm disappointed in how their deaths have been treated. All shock and no emotion. Now Ana may not have been the nicest girl or a popular character, but she deserved better than Jacks crappy eulogy, Sawyers kiss & tell and Ekos uncaring attitude (all of which felt very wrong to me). Ekos death was even worse - no emotion from Locke and a rushed burial attended by a bunch of characters that barely knew Eko. All because they couldn't be bothered lugging the big Nigerian to the beach, where other characters like Charlie, Jin, Bernard and Claire might have been able to offer some genuine grief over his death.

I have felt saddened by all the Lost deaths but losing a favourite character is made worse when their deaths are not honoured with a decent bit of emotion. Anyone else feel this way? Is it just because the writers care about some characters and don't really care about others? Every time Sawyers death is threatened (for the 20th time) it seems to be treated as a potientially devastating tragedy (even though Sawyer is - lets face it - a jerk). Yet other peoples REAL deaths are glossed over with this "Oh well, it can't be helped" attitude - especially Ekos and Anas.

irish lost fan
11-16-2006, 10:07 AM
I think they handled Boone's death best out of all. There was real emotion through all the characters and the end of "Do No Harm" is one of my favourite lost scenes. I think it was so effective cause you got to see everyone's reaction to his death.

Next major death was Shannon which wasn't dealt with very good. The only person that seemed to be sad was Sayid. Kate didn't even think twice about going to the funeral and Jack and Ana Lucia had tequila's after it.

Ana Lucia and Libby. I think Libby's death was dealt with a bit better than Ana Lucia's. Libby didn't interact with a lot of characters and we saw how upset Hurley was after it. Nobody seemed to care for Ana Lucia but im in that boat too cause i didn't like her much.

The writers seemed to rush Eko's death. They buried him in a 1 minute scene with a few castaways. They had a brilliant excuse though, they had to show us more of Jack yelling at the others and more of Kate running away in flashbacks. (sarcasm)

Sawyer's been threatened too much in this show, he's like a cat with 9 lives.

All in all I think they have had too many funeral scenes and the writers don't want to concentrate too much on them.

Wishbone
11-16-2006, 10:17 AM
To be fair - they hardly knew Ana-Lucia and Ecko - we knew them better and so felt they deserved better but they didn't even know them for a month. I think Charlie will be upset about Ecko but no-one else really interacted with him.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the funeral scenes anyway and prefer them to be short and sweet.

Captain_Falafel
11-16-2006, 11:29 AM
To be fair - they hardly knew Ana-Lucia and Ecko - we knew them better and so felt they deserved better but they didn't even know them for a month. I think Charlie will be upset about Ecko but no-one else really interacted with him.

I'll be disappointed if Charlie doesn't show some emotion over Eko. I thought that at least Eko or Jack would be upset over Ana Lucia.

Wishbone
11-16-2006, 12:03 PM
Jack was a bit upset

Captain_Falafel
11-16-2006, 02:53 PM
Jack was a bit upset


I didn't feel like he was. His funeral speech for AL was so lame.

Tigerlily1647
11-16-2006, 03:08 PM
I wasn't Boone's biggest fan. I didn't hate him, didn't love him. But when he died, I cried. Not necessarly becuase I was going to miss Boone (although the more I watch season 1, the more I do miss Boone) but becuase it was handled amazingly well!! Do No Harm was probably the most emotional epiosde Lost has had and one of the most emotional I've seen on TV (that was actually well written). It made me really sad that he died.

Since then, it's been down hill. Shannon's death was okay, Libby's was better (although I also don't get Hurley either) and Ana's wasn't terrible. At least Sawyer was visibly upset, but Eko was too involved in that blasted button which erks me to the extreme.

Anyway... Then Eko died. And to be completly honest, I have come close to loosing any faith in the writers due to how the handled Eko's death. It was horrible!! It was rushed and to me just felt like something they wanted to get over and done with. There was no real emotion at all. And all it did was lead to more island mysteries stuff. Which is not why I started watching this show... I was so amazed with this show season 1 becuase of how they treated their characters and how even though there were all these mysteries, they still showed great character development and emotion and bonds between them. Now, it's like they're only trying to cater to the island mysteries people and the romance people (which I admit I am slightly) and have completly forgotten about what made this show amazing in season 1!! It makes me wonder how much longer I'll be watching.

They had real potential for great emotion to cap off their mini-season and they blew it. If we don't see Bernard, Charlie and Jin's reaction to all this in the next episode, I may loose the little faith I have left.

Anyway... I definatly agree with the original post. They handled deaths so well in the begining and now it's like they are just one more thing, no big deal. Even Scott had a better death/funeral!

IamSoLOSTrightnow
11-16-2006, 11:24 PM
Yeah, It really bothered me that Eko didn't have anyone close to him to mourn his deatth. Boone had Shannon, Shannon had Sayid, Libby had Hurley, Ana kind of got the shaft with Jack/Eko/Sawyer, but poor poor Eko. He's got no tallies left who knew him since the day of the crash (well, except for the ellusive Bernard). No one is there to care about him. Locke was kind of on bad terms with Eko when he died and Charlie doesn't even know about his death. It really sucks. I hope when he hears Charlie goes out to visit the grave of his big brother figure on the Island.

GettinLost
11-16-2006, 11:43 PM
I feel like the deaths that are scheduled by the writers - Boone - have been met wth more emotion because the writers/creators had a design for the character's death in the show.

Also, the audience seems to be more atatched to the original 14 of the cast more than the "newbies" that suddenly appear from nowhere. That's why Nikki and Paulo are having a hard time fittting in. I think if they invested more time into introducing the newbies - show how they have interacted with the Originals in the past (some creative storylines there!!), they would build some credibility. However, because they are new we the audience do not have any emotions or time invested in them and they're great for "Kill off fodder" rather than pick off our Originals!!

The other deaths - Shannon and Ecko - both actors were wanting off the show. Therefore the writers/creators seemed to be "pushed" or "forced" to create the storyline to include the deaths. Whereas if the writers/creators wanted the death in the plotline they would have been more creative with handling the death.

Ana Lucia and Libby...

Ana Lucia was a "hard" character. Because of the nature of her character she was hard to like, and therefore it was difficult to find some sympathy when she died. Libby, because her character leaned towards compassion, kindness, and she took one of our beloved original Losties - Hurley - into her life, it was easy to like her and her death was more of a loss.

Frankly, I wish there would be no more deaths... We get it - the Island is a dangerous place, blah blah blah. Create good storylines and stop with the shock/death card!!

Captain_Falafel
11-17-2006, 08:37 AM
poor poor Eko. He's got no tallies left who knew him since the day of the crash (well, except for the ellusive Bernard). No one is there to care about him. Locke was kind of on bad terms with Eko when he died and Charlie doesn't even know about his death. It really sucks. I hope when he hears Charlie goes out to visit the grave of his big brother figure on the Island.

Personally Eko's death was the saddest for me because he is the first one of my favourite characters to die. What made it worse was none of my saddest was reflected on the screen.

I'm really hoping for a decent emotional reaction from Charlie. He was really concerned for Eko during the hatch crisis and the polar bear crisis, so obviously he cares about Eko. If they gloss over his reaction I'll be bugged. Actually I'm already bugged that there was no decent final scene between Eko and Charlie after their brotherly relationship in S2.

flashbackfan
11-17-2006, 09:40 AM
But I mean honestly, how much did Eko bring Charlie into his life or his feelings? It's not like he really comforted Charlie or talked with him much. Yeah, it seemed Charlie kinda dug the whole building a church thing and maybe he had hoped to be friends with Eko, but... it really wouldn't be that realistic if Charlie broke down about Eko's death. He'll probably be sad and all, but not really all broken up.

Unfortunately, Eko's life was hard, much like Ana Lucia's... which brings me to the fact that I had always wanted something more in the relationship between Ana and Eko. There was very deep chemistry between those two and I wish they had ditched the whole idea of her with Jack or the dumb sex with Sawyer and just made her and Eko get together before she died! It would have given something more for Eko too, instead of that ridiculous button obsession!

But anyway, deaths suck, yeah... but I wasn't freaked out that no one mourned for Eko. I really liked his character, but he was always a closed book from day one. Made sense for me that his death was so brutal and cold.

Tigerlily1647
11-18-2006, 12:22 AM
But I mean honestly, how much did Eko bring Charlie into his life or his feelings? It's not like he really comforted Charlie or talked with him much. Yeah, it seemed Charlie kinda dug the whole building a church thing and maybe he had hoped to be friends with Eko, but... it really wouldn't be that realistic if Charlie broke down about Eko's death. He'll probably be sad and all, but not really all broken up.

But anyway, deaths suck, yeah... but I wasn't freaked out that no one mourned for Eko. I really liked his character, but he was always a closed book from day one. Made sense for me that his death was so brutal and cold.

I don't think anyone is expecting a complete break down. But you can't deny that Eko had connections with Bernard, Jin and especially Charlie. Think about it this way. Charlie used to be a devote Catholic before the band and the drugs ruined his life. Eko is a Catholic preist. In my opinion, Charlie probably saw Eko as a lot more than a buliding buddy. I think he saw it as a way to redeem himself and return to who he used to be. That maybe Eko, as a priest, could help him in one way or another. That Eko is gone, would be a huge blow if that is in fact the case.
Even beyond that, I do think that Eko had a connection with Charlie as well. He let him help him with the church for Yemi and when Eko needed help, he went to Charlie. But really Eko's feelings for anyone is irrelevant. Even if I'm wrong about the whole Catholic thing, Charlie had a bond with Eko and probably considered him a friend and tried to save him from the hatch and polar bear, as someone else mentioned. I think to say he wouldn't react and be upset (beyond just being sad) is unrealistic. Proabably not a complete emotional break down or anything like that, but he's going to be upset. I think Charlie was 'just sad' about Boone, Shannon, Ana and Libby. These are people he didn't really have much connection with. But Eko's a completly different story.

Well.... slightly off topic, sorry :redface: , but I guess I'm saying at least one person (more realisticly at least 3 with Bernard and Jin), if this story has any similarites to real life anymore, are going to be upset, but I feel like so far, we've been robbed of that emotion becuase of the surplus amount of island mysteries stuff that's going on. I think a simliar thing happened with Libby and Ana's death. That they dwelled on it only just long enough to get through it and then it was completly forgotten so we could concentrate on the abduction. Not that I don't like the island stuff, but this show used to be about human instinct and emotion. That was very well depicted with Boone's death, not so much since then. Anyway, I agree once again with Captain, if they don't give a real reaction from Charlie and Bernard, I shall be beyond bugged.

Captain_Falafel
11-18-2006, 05:34 AM
I feel Ekos mourning should have been properly delt with in 'I Do'. Locke could have been given a more emotional response at least - he was the closest to Eko aside from Charlie. Now even if Charlie DOES have an emotional response, it will feel like too little too late. It seems all other plot-lines have been sacrificed for the Jack/Kate/Sawyer story with the Others. Not only have TPTB not reflected on Ekos demise - how about the fact that Sun KILLED someone in ep2 and we have still yet to see how she and Jin are coping! These things should not have been left to resolve after the break - the emotion will be gone by then with the events seeming so distant.

flashbackfan
11-18-2006, 08:25 AM
These things should not have been left to resolve after the break - the emotion will be gone by then with the events seeming so distant.
Well, I suppose we can just add that to the other list of things wrong with this miniseason.:mad:

Alkhara
11-18-2006, 02:23 PM
I'm sad to say that I felt really cheated by Eko's ep and his death. I know that the character had to be written out, but it was so rushed and it didn't resolve as much as I would have liked it to. Eko was such an outstanding character, with so many demons and so many redeeming features. He was just so interesting. I for one will sorely miss him. :frown:

Season 3 so far seems to be all about J/K/S. OK, we had a Locke ep, but even that was (almost) to the exclusion of everyone else. Eko's death/funeral seems to be just something else that had to be sacrificed for the J/K/S story.

I would just have liked to have seen more balance in the eps and a little more thought being given to emotional impact of the events (both on the other characters and on the audience). It's as if the writers had set themselves a target of reaching a particular point in the J/K/S story by the end of ep6 - OK, I admit it was a great cliffhanger - but at the expense of everyone else on the island.

I just hope they are working to remedy the situation for the rest of the season.

SeaKing100
11-19-2006, 03:48 PM
I too will be happy when the focus starts to broaden out again and get away from focusing solely on "the triangle". Eko could have been dealt with better, but I can understand Locke's decision (and the writers) to not spend a lot of time on the funeral. So will rushed funerals become a normal occurrence in the near future? Are they going to start killing off folks more often, so they feel like they can't spend the time with all the funerals?