Humans are complex characters. Often in movies and TV bad guys are bad and good guys are good. Occasionaly we see the good guy with a bad side, but he normally repents in some form and comes good.

Now LOST is showing that in actual fact people are much more than this. We are too diverse to be simply categorized as good or bad.

Obviously Kate and Sawyer are prime examples.

Michael shows us that situations can have a profound effect on our behaviour. Im sure he would have went his whole life without murdering anybody, let alone shooting two innocent women in cold blood.

There are many more examples of this but I just wanted to say that I am pleased that a show has been made that highlights this.
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That's what I love about the show. It highlights that grey area of human nature.

Some characters have it more in abundance than others though it seems.....

like Sayid, who'll help you build a two-way CB but then happily use the wires to **torture you** (MOD edited)

like Jack, who seems just a couple of short steps away from clubbing anyone who disagrees with him to within an inch of their life....although he'll probably try and mend their spine afterwards

like Charlie who'lll burn your house down and try and drown your baby....but only after **changing it diaper** (MOD edited) and doing a bit of washing for you

like Jinn, who'll kick your teeth in if you're Sun's dad....or whip down the impromptu fish and chip shop for you if your his dad

Hold on...they do seem to veer just a bit on the side of bad though don't they?. Hmmmm I see a connection coming.....

Its basically a tolpuddle martyrs thing where they've all been consigned to an island because they're villians...like the post-aboriginal Australians.

like Sayid, who'll help you build a two-way CB but then happily use the wires to **torture you** (MOD edit)

like Jack, who seems just a couple of short steps away from clubbing anyone who disagrees with him to within an inch of their life....although he'll probably try and mend their spine afterwards

like Charlie who'lll burn your house down and try and drown your baby....but only after **changing its diaper** (MOD edit) and doing a bit of washing for you

like Jinn, who'll kick your teeth in if you're Sun's dad....or whip down the impromptu fish and chip shop for you if your his dad



LOL ... :rotflmao2:

like Sayid, who'll help you build a two-way CB but then happily use the wires to **torture you** (MOD edit)

:biggrin:
Spot on!!

It all boils down to terrific character development. We believe in these characters, their decisions and their actions, because of their shortcomings. Their flaws make them human.

That's what I love about the show. It highlights that grey area of human nature.

Some characters have it more in abundance than others though it seems.....

like Sayid, who'll help you build a two-way CB but then happily use the wires to **torture you** (MOD edited)

like Jack, who seems just a couple of short steps away from clubbing anyone who disagrees with him to within an inch of their life....although he'll probably try and mend their spine afterwards

like Charlie who'lll burn your house down and try and drown your baby....but only after **changing it diaper** (MOD edited) and doing a bit of washing for you

like Jinn, who'll kick your teeth in if you're Sun's dad....or whip down the impromptu fish and chip shop for you if your his dad

Hold on...they do seem to veer just a bit on the side of bad though don't they?. Hmmmm I see a connection coming.....

Its basically a tolpuddle martyrs thing where they've all been consigned to an island because they're villians...like the post-aboriginal Australians.

you may want to read the Rules and the FAQ. some of your content had to be edited. please realize that this is a PG rated site. not sure what the equates to over the pond, but you get the idea. in the future please use less graphic/offense content in your posts. thank you.

FYI, some of the Aussies here may find your comment offensive as well. you may want to avoid insulting entire groups of people, too.

nice thread, dean-o.

hi from a friend. :)

I think that LOST is also teaching us there is a fine line between Good/Evil, Just/Unjust, Love/Hate and many other aspects of life.

Sawyer wants to kill anman who took the lives of his parents and left him basically an orphan. But in the end becomes the thing that caused his destruction.
Kate killed her Father to protect her Mother from a life of misery - albeit - one she had chosen.
Charlie became a musician to relieve his family from the common drudgeries of life - he was their hope - only to become addicted to drugs and lose everything before he even had a chance.
Eko killed a man to keep his brother from having to.

And on and on...

LOST teaches us that sometimes the choices are not so black or white.

you may want to read the Rules and the FAQ. some of your content had to be edited. please realize that this is a PG rated site. not sure what the equates to over the pond, but you get the idea. in the future please use less graphic/offense content in your posts. thank you.

FYI, some of the Aussies here may find your comment offensive as well. you may want to avoid insulting entire groups of people, too.

Sure....I understand

The Australian thing though is not meant offensively, purely historically. As an Australian in London I hope you get that I'm not coming from the angle you seem to think I am!

I think that LOST is also teaching us there is a fine line between Good/Evil, Just/Unjust, Love/Hate and many other aspects of life.

Sawyer wants to kill anman who took the lives of his parents and left him basically an orphan. But in the end becomes the thing that caused his destruction.
Kate killed her Father to protect her Mother from a life of misery - albeit - one she had chosen.
Charlie became a musician to relieve his family from the common drudgeries of life - he was their hope - only to become addicted to drugs and lose everything before he even had a chance.
Eko killed a man to keep his brother from having to.

And on and on...

LOST teaches us that sometimes the choices are not so black or white.


I don't think Sawyer is the only one who was led onto a path of destruction after his vengeance....

After each saving grace they are skrewed:
Sawyer gets a ticket to the island.
Kate goes on the run.
Charlie adopts a heroin addiction.
Eko makes family with crazy bounty-killer people. EDIT: ALSO when the woman is killed in, after Yemi's death, it could even be said he started one again.....
Locke saves his fathers life and suffers emotionally (and physically) afterwards

Jack, after saving someone... follows his path downhill.
Michael technically saved Walt but I have a feeling that's going *ahem* downhill/water too.

Trying to think of more, possible edit <3





Definitely feeling your pattern there gettinlost

That's what I love about the show. It highlights that grey area of human nature.

Some characters have it more in abundance than others though it seems.....

like Sayid, who'll help you build a two-way CB but then happily use the wires to **torture you** (MOD edited)

like Jack, who seems just a couple of short steps away from clubbing anyone who disagrees with him to within an inch of their life....although he'll probably try and mend their spine afterwards

like Charlie who'lll burn your house down and try and drown your baby....but only after **changing it diaper** (MOD edited) and doing a bit of washing for you

like Jinn, who'll kick your teeth in if you're Sun's dad....or whip down the impromptu fish and chip shop for you if your his dad

Hold on...they do seem to veer just a bit on the side of bad though don't they?. Hmmmm I see a connection coming.....

Its basically a tolpuddle martyrs thing where they've all been consigned to an island because they're villians...like the post-aboriginal Australians.


very nicely put. :biggrin:

lost is also teaching us that we should know when to stop watching a deteriorating show.

how about now?

lost is also teaching us that we should know when to stop watching a deteriorating show.
I watched all the (new) s2 Doctor Who episodes and they sunk far lower than Lost has done now. I don't think it's worth quitting yet.

I watched all the (new) s2 Doctor Who episodes and they sunk far lower than Lost has done now.

Hmmmmm ... yeah, but I think their demographic was 8 year olds. ;)

I watched all the (new) s2 Doctor Who episodes and they sunk far lower than Lost has done now. I don't think it's worth quitting yet.

I preferred series 2 of DW. But the thing about the old timelord is that most of the episodes don't take place in a linear fashion - you can watch most of them (two parters aside) in any order. With Lost, that's not the case; you have to watch the episodes week after week to really follow it and if people get past this "series 1, series 2" mentality I think it helps. Just because there was a gap between seasons doesn't mean there's a break in the story. Just watch it as one big "ligne".

I honest to god cannot see a break in quality yet - that weird new couple introduction aside. And look where we are: Kate and Sawyer stuck in cages like animals in a lab, Jack in a disused aquarium performing surgery without all the gear, Locke regaining his faith, Desmond the prophet....its never been more exciting IMO.

how are all these examples not tied together?

how is a CB and torture not related in anyway economically and through history? a lot of times, military usage is the first place to develop tools and then filtered into "civilian society" later... AHEM, like the internet for example. which basically becomes a tool of consumerism anyhow. free to consume. free to watch TV and discuss it for hours on end. directly related. to say otherwise is deflection from reality.

and what is the tumor from? some sort of exposure to "unnatural" industry or harnessing magnetism? the cancer and surgery can also be directly related to a bigger picture. its a huge relation in our society today where degenerative diseases are directly related to our economy. and lets not forget that because this is a "tropical" island that there isnt massive systems at work for electricity... electricity channeling (which can be very harmful if you live directly under large power lines for example)... etc, etc... just cause theres a lot of natural overgrowth doesnt mean theres not exposure to industry.

Jin - he was tied to an authority to beat people up like a domesticated dog which is also part of a larger picture. im not sure how thats grey area when youre basically a tool for someone else. he has no autonomy to be "grey" when hes constantly dictating his actions for someone else.

charlie - no idea where the burning someones house reference is from. maybe im forgetting the show. regardless we could bring into consideration how these people are products of civilized society in all their interactions, along with the others, yet somehow because were in an isolated tropical setting we think their behavior is suppose to change from being vicious, egotistical, back-biting and excessively violent for no apparent ideological reason. we still dont even have any motive for the "FIRST" others being violent to these people other than that theyre "there." is that "HUMAN NATURE"? if so, head out to your neighbors house right now and start pummeling them.

i think this argument is weak and narrow in context and scope.





That's what I love about the show. It highlights that grey area of human nature.

Some characters have it more in abundance than others though it seems.....

like Sayid, who'll help you build a two-way CB but then happily use the wires to **torture you** (MOD edited)

like Jack, who seems just a couple of short steps away from clubbing anyone who disagrees with him to within an inch of their life....although he'll probably try and mend their spine afterwards

like Charlie who'lll burn your house down and try and drown your baby....but only after **changing it diaper** (MOD edited) and doing a bit of washing for you

like Jinn, who'll kick your teeth in if you're Sun's dad....or whip down the impromptu fish and chip shop for you if your his dad

Hold on...they do seem to veer just a bit on the side of bad though don't they?. Hmmmm I see a connection coming.....

Its basically a tolpuddle martyrs thing where they've all been consigned to an island because they're villians...like the post-aboriginal Australians.

how are all these examples not tied together?

how is a CB and torture not related in anyway economically and through history? a lot of times, military usage is the first place to develop tools and then filtered into "civilian society" later... AHEM, like the internet for example. which basically becomes a tool of consumerism anyhow. free to consume. free to watch TV and discuss it for hours on end. directly related. to say otherwise is deflection from reality.

and what is the tumor from? some sort of exposure to "unnatural" industry or harnessing magnetism? the cancer and surgery can also be directly related to a bigger picture. its a huge relation in our society today where degenerative diseases are directly related to our economy. and lets not forget that because this is a "tropical" island that there isnt massive systems at work for electricity... electricity channeling (which can be very harmful if you live directly under large power lines for example)... etc, etc... just cause theres a lot of natural overgrowth doesnt mean theres not exposure to industry.

Jin - he was tied to an authority to beat people up like a domesticated dog which is also part of a larger picture. im not sure how thats grey area when youre basically a tool for someone else. he has no autonomy to be "grey" when hes constantly dictating his actions for someone else.

charlie - no idea where the burning someones house reference is from. maybe im forgetting the show. regardless we could bring into consideration how these people are products of civilized society in all their interactions, along with the others, yet somehow because were in an isolated tropical setting we think their behavior is suppose to change from being vicious, egotistical, back-biting and excessively violent for no apparent ideological reason. we still dont even have any motive for the "FIRST" others being violent to these people other than that theyre "there." is that "HUMAN NATURE"? if so, head out to your neighbors house right now and start pummeling them.

i think this argument is weak and narrow in context and scope.

It was just a bit of light humour brother/dude/sister (edit according to wether you prefer Desmond/Hurley/Sawyer) that seems to have gone down like Henry Gale's balloon. Don't take it too literally!.