So when Ben told cKate to prepare for two tough weeks… and with Kate being a strong healthy woman in her prime…
I'd say they harvested her for her eggs
two weeks, again and again.
So Juliet THE FERTILITY DOCTOR stick needles in her ovaries every day,
thats what I call unpleasent.

And then they implant the in vitro fertilized eggs in the OTHER women.
Alex does not like that, so she runs…

So when Ben told cKate to prepare for two tough weeks… and with Kate being a strong healthy woman in her prime…
I'd say they harvested her for her eggs
two weeks, again and again.
So Juliet THE FERTILITY DOCTOR stick needles in her ovaries every day,
thats what I call unpleasent.

And then they implant the in vitro fertilized eggs in the OTHER women.
Alex does not like that, so she runs…


Yes I think you are onto something with the "unpleasent" comment, mac!

Also is it just me or has Kate lost all her fiest and fight, remember when Sawyer kissed her then fought the 3 guys, she just stood there. The old Kate would surely have at least tried to kick some butt. Even when Juliet had the gone on her, Kate was close enough to push the gun away and chin her...

Touche! mac daddy!:kiss:

I don't think so... it's not a bad idea but I don't see that it's likely. Maybe you could try to build a case around it? I would like to be convinced. ;)
Btw, deanr and macevengelist, you are like twins!

You a right, dear YellowTang, Dean and me are old friends, we just moved here

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You a right, dear YellowTang, Dean and me are old friends, we just moved here

:redface:

we're new in town!

That would be a very interesting way to explain if Kate gets pregnant from her romp with Sawyer.

They were injecting her for eggs, but before they could take them out, she gets popped by Sawyer...

Very cool theory!

I don't believe it. If it were true, they would have hinted at this somehow. And besides Juliet claiming to be a fertility doctor, there is nothing that supports this theory.

I think there is a good chance this could happen. It would make sense...I mean with the others always stealing children...even though only one of the children was a girl

I think there is a good chance this could happen. It would make sense...I mean with the others always stealing children...even though only one of the children was a girl


Two of the children they have taken have been girls ALEX and EMMA

didn't kate have injection marks on her belly when she woke up at the beginnin of the season? maybe not but if so....

I don't believe it. If it were true, they would have hinted at this somehow. And besides Juliet claiming to be a fertility doctor, there is nothing that supports this theory.


Actually that could be the entire reason that they focused on the "marriage" FB rather than fill us in on the other FB holes. They specifically have focused on not JUST the marriage...but her taking the pregnancy test (previously hinted at in the Sun epi).


Go figure. That's a pretty cool theory...Unless you're a Jater.

:biglaugh:

SKate junior. I like.

Hmm. I don't remember that... but isn't IVF pretty time consuming? Not to mention painful. I don't think something like that could really be edited out for later consumption... Claire for example was missing for days during her time with the others, but Kate was put in the cage pretty quicky. Also... the whole kate slipping through the bars routing would be **extra** painful for someone who had just undergone IVF. :twocents: <-- my 2 cents

That's also a good point...

My personal theory is that she is in on the entire thing...from day one..before she even ran from the Wayne situation.

In fact....I think someone in her house was connected to Dharma.;)

Given the nature of Alias...this wouldn't be so far removed from the JJ realm of possiblities. When I was watching Alias the other day (the start) I kept thinking, this is like the prototype to Kate.

So who knows? :rolleyes: Guess all we can really do is enjoy the ride.

Cheers!

That's also a good point...

My personal theory is that she is in on the entire thing...from day one..before she even ran from the Wayne situation.

In fact....I think someone in her house was connected to Dharma.;)

Given the nature of Alias...this wouldn't be so far removed from the JJ realm of possiblities. When I was watching Alias the other day (the start) I kept thinking, this is like the prototype to Kate.

So who knows? :rolleyes: Guess all we can really do is enjoy the ride.

Cheers!

I can totally buy that. Wayne had a hexagonal box before she blew him up... I'm waiting for the return of the hexagonal box...

YES the box! AND omg AND (LOL) the same box shows up in the hatch when Charlie and Hurley are looking over the albums (IE. geronimo jackson). In front of them on the coffee table.

Maybe the reason Tom mentions her 'always wanting to run' on the tape when they were kids...was possibly not just abuse...although I wouldn't put it past him either....but also a connection to Dharma somehow.

Another thing...the 'murder in her heart' could have been placed there. It IS what they do best...warp the mind...bring people into the fold so to speak.

Kate isn't stupid...why would she blow him up..go into a PUBLIC PLACE...with witnesses...hand over an insurance policy..and then leave town.


Did anyone consider that she might have wanted to get caught ( as in police protection)...and instead got chased by HIM.

If it turns out that she is...I will laugh my a** off. Because it will have been so in front of us the entire time.

I know what you mean... I'm sure if she is,,, it's probably super clever and complicated. I am so ready for February! Somwhow I don't think my precious boxes will be back as soon as I would like. :)

Hmm. I don't remember that... but isn't IVF pretty time consuming? Not to mention painful. I don't think something like that could really be edited out for later consumption... Claire for example was missing for days during her time with the others, but Kate was put in the cage pretty quicky. Also... the whole kate slipping through the bars routing would be **extra** painful for someone who had just undergone IVF. :twocents: <-- my 2 cents
First of all, and this is just a semantic issue, Kate wouldn't have "undergone IVF" if she were merely the egg donor. Yes, she'd probably be in pain from the ovarian stimulation/egg retrieval, but those are different procedures than actual IVF.

Also, from what I know of it (and this is not first hand experience but research) the time issue would depend on a lot of things. Where Kate was in her cycle, for starters, and whether or not they had time to use the right amount of injectibles to trigger multiple eggs to develop. It's not likely that they would be able to get multiple eggs from her (which BTW, as far as I know, can only be done once in a cycle, not multiple times as the OP suggests) without some sort of ovarian stimulation, as *normally* we only produce one mature egg per month. (Natural twins and triplets and such being notable exceptions, of course, and pretty rare).

So yeah, I don't think they could have gone this route with Kate given the actual screentime of her in the cage we've seen. I do think the fact that Juliet is a fertility doctor will come into play at some point, but I don't think Kate's involved.

I don't think Kate is involved with Juliet as much as her being with Sawyer after all this comes into play. I know signs have been pointing towards an emotional relationship between the two...but the fact that Ben was watching them just made me realize there may be some sort of forceful situation Kate is in...

But I hope not

I hope it's not Kate's body being toyed with but Kate making a sacrifice because they are threatening Sawyer/someones's life

I really don't buy that they used Kate to get her eggs. There is nothing to suggest that. I mean talk about pulling that out of thin air. That's like me suggesting they took Sawyer because he was a good baseball player and they need a little league coach for the kidnapped tail section kids baseball team. Show me the evidence.

I also don't like that fact that Kate was there just to make Jack jealous of Sawyer but at least that makes sense in context with what we have seen. This theory of IVF ASSUMES the others need an egg donor and ASSUMES there is a complete story line that is occurring without seeing it or even havig it hinted at. What's to suggest that infertility is an issue?

I mean talk about pulling that out of thin air. That's like me suggesting they took Sawyer because he was a good baseball player and they need a little league coach for the kidnapped tail section kids baseball team. Show me the evidence.

I also don't like that fact that Kate was there just to make Jack jealous of Sawyer but at least that makes sense in context with what we have seen. This theory of IVF ASSUMES the others need an egg donor and ASSUMES there is a complete story line that is occurring without seeing it or even havig it hinted at. What's to suggest that infertility is an issue?

:21:Justjared you are my favorite..lol.
random persons have stated things like; "Kate is infertile" (because of the pregnancy test in I Do?)

It probably stems from the idea that the Others have importance for the children who were taken.

If things are as Sci-fi as the Nomad claimed, this idea is old fashioned to me. definitely...:kwasny:ew

Anyone have a screen shot of the hexagonal box? I don't remember a box in both places mentioned. I definitely think that whenever we do start getting more answers than questions...it will definitely be stuff that's been in front of us the whole time!!

Anyone have a screen shot of the hexagonal box? I don't remember a box in both places mentioned.
Wayne has a hexagonal box? Sorry but this is sort of driving me nutso!:rolleye1:

I searched on it... should be in this post (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=50232&highlight=hexagonal+box)

didn't kate have injection marks on her belly when she woke up at the beginnin of the season? maybe not but if so....
I just watched Tale of Two Cities and the only injection mark she wakes up with is on her arm

I love the theory and can't totally rule it out, but I am very very familiar with the egg retrieval/IVF process and there would be a lot of continuity errors and mistakes if that is what this turns out to be... But I have to say that when I read this I am intrigued because there is the famous two-week wait period for IVF patients. I will explain...

Beginning of cycle, woman starts taking multiple injections daily of a follicle stimulators and cycle controlling drugs so that she can produce more than one egg.... These injections have to be taken daily - very painful effects from the follicles enlarging too.

Between 10 - 17 days of injections, when the follicles are big enough. The egg retrieval takes place. It is done vaginally, and pierced through uterus - so there would be no exterior marks on the stomach.

Eggs are fetrilized with sperm in petry dish and allowed to grow for 3 - 5 days. Then the fertilized eggs are put back into the uterus and the infamous 2 week waiting period begins where you wait to see if you are pregnant.

If it was Kate that got fertilized, there would no way that they would be letting her do so much physical labor - so there is where the 2 week wait thing doesn' mesh.

Love the thoery - and you never know there could some weird Dharma way of retrieving eggs without daily injections - so who know?

It could be plausible though that they just retrieved a single egg and fertilized it and put it in another woman. hmmmm

Tis possible...

Yes, this might explain the bruises on her wrists, if the IVF was going to be 'unpleasant' then she would be conscious in every treatment, therefore she might want to escape.

Very Good theory.