The Others were told to gather info about the Survivors..to keep an eye on them...nothing more...but some of the Survivors were attacked and abducted.

So who did it then?

Well in the most recent Podcast, Damon SAID...

Yes, there are more than one faction of the Others.

Did the other Others take the children? I'm not sure. But if you've seen the most recent Season previews;
Here (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/lostmoments/index)

If you haven't seen it, Cindy, the flight attendant is talking to Jack, who wakes up confused in a cage.
She was taken along with the children supposedly, but we see her telling Jack they are "there to watch." But I do not believe she and the people behind her are with Juliet/Benry's group.

The link takes you to a newer Lost Moment. Are Kate and Swyer running from the Other Others faction?

yes if there wasnt more than one faction than i dont believe much of the storyline would make sense.
i do believe that the second faction of others or the military others as i have seen them called in other threads are the people that were abducting the tailies.
I think the three people that eko kills on the first night on the island are members of the military others.
i am not certain which reason im going to believe about why they are abducting children but one view which i have is that they are abducting the children then teaching them there ways and making them learn how to control smoky or how to continue whatever it is that they are dooing beyong there lifetime.
its good that i now have just realiesed that not only did goodwin, one of the island others infiltrate the tailies but on the same night the military others came and abducted the children.

Yes1 I was right!! But no, i dont own an ipod.. :(





Well in the most recent Podcast, Damon SAID...

Yes, there are more than one faction of the Others.



Did the other Others take the children? I'm not sure. But if you've seen the most recent Season previews;
Here (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/lostmoments/index)

If you haven't seen it, Cindy, the flight attendant is talking to Jack, who wakes up confused in a cage.
She was taken along with the children supposedly, but we see her telling Jack they are "there to watch." But I do not believe she and the people behind her are with Juliet/Benry's group.

The link takes you to a newer Lost Moment. Are Kate and Swyer running from the Other Others faction?

It's tough to say. It could be Ben's group of others. Do we know if the abductions started after the 3 days Ben gave Ethan and Goodwin to make the lists?

Also, we know that Ethan did abduct Claire and attack Charlie and Jack so it's not absurd to think Ben's others did the same to the tail section survivors.

Sorry I meant to post the site...I dont either. You dont need one...

Here you are (http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost&clip=114441)

What you just pointed out is about the most important information
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I think the three people that eko kills on the first night on the island are members of the military others.

Oh my Gosh this is definite because...

When then prisoner Henry Gale (Ben) says "the big black guy who cut off his beard in front of me" during (i think) Maternity Leave it seems Benry has no clue what Eko was talking about when he confessed and repented for killing the Others!
Eko thought Benry knew them...

It's tough to say. It could be Ben's group of others. Do we know if the abductions started after the 3 days Ben gave Ethan and Goodwin to make the lists?

Also, we know that Ethan did abduct Claire and attack Charlie and Jack so it's not absurd to think Ben's others did the same to the tail section survivors


yes but it could of been benrys others because he only sent goodwin to the camp, but then again maybe he sent more we just dont know, however i think tht is unlikely

When then prisoner Henry Gale (Ben) says "the big black guy who cut off his beard in front of me" during (i think) Maternity Leave it seems Benry has no clue what Eko was talking about when he confessed and repented for killing the Others!
Eko thought Benry knew them...

thats a good little bit of rememberence.it must of been the mitlitary others sent by maybe kelvin, or someone that we already know about, thats what i believe
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It's tough to say. It could be Ben's group of others. Do we know if the abductions started after the 3 days Ben gave Ethan and Goodwin to make the lists?
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they started on the night of the crash
so it probably wasnt bens others

Sorry I meant to post the site...I dont either. You dont need one...

Here you are (http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost&clip=114441)

What you just pointed out is about the most important information
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Oh my Gosh this is definite because...

When then prisoner Henry Gale (Ben) says "the big black guy who cut off his beard in front of me" during (i think) Maternity Leave it seems Benry has no clue what Eko was talking about when he confessed and repented for killing the Others!
Eko thought Benry knew them...
It's not definite at all. Benry was trying to cnvince the survivors that he wasn't an other and he was VERY convincing. Why would he suddenly act like he "knew" what Eko was talking about? He played the part like any good con-artist would have.

Also, Ethan and Goodwin were planted there to watch the survivors. That does not mean that Benry didn't send other "others" to the crash sites to abduct survivors that were on the lists Ethan and Goodwin compiled.
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they started on the night of the crash
so it probably wasnt bens others

Good point. That would have been too soon for Benry to have a list.

It's not definite at all. Benry was trying to cnvince the survivors that he wasn't an other and he was VERY convincing. Why would he suddenly act like he "knew" what Eko was talking about? He played the part like any good con-artist would have.

Also, Ethan and Goodwin were planted there to watch the survivors. That does not mean that Benry didn't send other "others" to the crash sites to abduct survivors that were on the lists Ethan and Goodwin compiled.

yes good point about tryin to convince the losties, but i still think he didnt know about the deaths of these people.

also ethan and goodwin would not of made a list by the time the people were abducted

Also, Ethan and Goodwin were planted there to watch the survivors. That does not mean that Benry didn't send other "others" to the crash sites to abduct survivors that were on the lists Ethan and Goodwin compiled.


You're right. It isn't definite. Benry is/was a very good actor. But I did find his reaction to Eko strange.

I believe it's possible Ethan and Goodwin made up lists on the first day. They tried to take out the strongest, most capable from the Other 48 Lostees. That would have been a quick, easy, physical list.
It's possible the abducted were taken by the Benry/Juliet Others.
But if that was true - why didn't we hear about the men Eko killed?
Perhaps we just haven't yet. We haven't heard about Goodwin or Ethan yet.

thanks for that link. Im a little more enlightened now! :rolleyes:


Sorry I meant to post the site...I dont either. You dont need one...

Here you are (http://abc.go.com/fsp/index.html?channel=Lost&clip=114441)


What you just pointed out is about the most important information
100%


Oh my Gosh this is definite because...

When then prisoner Henry Gale (Ben) says "the big black guy who cut off his beard in front of me" during (i think) Maternity Leave it seems Benry has no clue what Eko was talking about when he confessed and repented for killing the Others!
Eko thought Benry knew them...

I believe it's possible Ethan and Goodwin made up lists on the first day. They tried to take out the strongest, most capable from the Other 48 Lostees. That would have been a quick, easy, physical list.
It's possible the abducted were taken by the Benry/Juliet Others.
But if that was true - why didn't we hear about the men Eko killed?
Perhaps we just haven't yet. We haven't heard about Goodwin or Ethan yet.

where it is possible, i dont think its true that ethan and goodwin made up shortlists of the strongest of the tailies,
they were not told to do so,
and they seem to follow orders very well and only break them when there first objectives are at risk,

saying this, if the first objectives of ethan was to get a list, where did the instructions to abduct claire come from.

where it is possible, i dont think its true that ethan and goodwin made up shortlists of the strongest of the tailies,
they were not told to do so,
and they seem to follow orders very well and only break them when there first objectives are at risk,

saying this, if the first objectives of ethan was to get a list, where did the instructions to abduct claire come from.

I think Ethan had an affiliation for Claire based on the conversation they had on the tree branch in Maternity Leave...

ETHAN: ...(feeling Claire's belly): Claire, can I tell you a secret?
CLAIRE: Yeah.
ETHAN: I'm going to miss you. I wish -- I wish you didn't have to go.

Also in the same episode, Tom gets mad at Ethan outside the baby's new room because he only brought back Claire.
In my opinion he brought back only Claire because he had an affiliation for her.
And because if you remember Raised By Another it was very convenient to take her.


VOICE: What the hell happened? You were supposed to make the list and then bring her in. Was I unclear?
ETHAN: It's not my fault. They knew I wasn't on the plane. They had a manifest.
(The voice is revealed as Mr. Friendly, without his beard and grubby clothes.)
MR. FRIENDLY: What am I supposed to tell him? You know what he's going to do when he finds out. Damn it, Ethan.

I don't remember them being told NOT to make up a list of the strongest???
In Tale of Two Cities, Benry simply tells them to make up lists.

[sorry having issues with the quote tags]

good point,

but then 'the list' could mean anything. it could be of all the woman who are potential mothers. or all the children. or it could be a list of information about people.

and about ethan having an affiliation. i think that talk about him missing her might just be a ploy to get her on there side.

what do you think the list could mean

but then 'the list' could mean anything. it could be of all the woman who are potential mothers. or all the children. or it could be a list of information about people.

and about ethan having an affiliation. i think that talk about him missing her might just be a ploy to get her on there side.



I never looked at "the list" so openly. Very true...who knows what it's a list of. But based on Tom's reaction, Ethan didn't do very well with the list.

I truly think Ethan had an affiliation for Claire because they were going to kill Claire after they cut out her baby, according to Alex.
So why would he bother saying that?

Perhaps the list is of EVERYONE...just in general. A list of the "survivors." And I don't mean of the plane crash. Because they already knew who was on the plane, supposedly. But of their original manifest, which ones made it and who are they?

yes,
and maybe the people who died were meant to die and the people who werent didnt. so bens people wanted to know just who is important and has survived. they might already have all the information of the people. just need to work out whos actually important.

however one thing ive just realised is that didnt ben ask for the list in 3 days. and how many days in is it when ethan abducts claire and takes her to the staff.

could this be a different list all together.

Yes because the Tailies were attacked on the first night, we still don't know if it was Juliet/Benry's faction of the Others...that certainly wasn't 3 days, not even one!

And Ethan took much longer than three days to take anyone...but I don't know if he turned a list in.

i think that maybe a second list was asked for, aswell of orders to bring in claire.

i think that goodwin didnt do a very good job of making a list. as another faction of others attacked the tailies. but was he asked to make a list or was the order given just to ethan?

Benry said in Tale of Two Cities
"I want lists in 3 days" to both of them

from the transcripts it states

GALE: Goodwin, did you see where the tail landed?
GOODWIN: Yeah, probably in the water.
GALE: You run and you can make that shore line in an hour. Ethan, get up there to that fuselage. There may actually be survivors; and you're one of them. A passenger -- in shock -- come up with an adequate story if they ask. Stay quiet if they don't. Listen, learn, don't get involved. I want lists in 3 days. Go.
[Goodwin and Ethan run off. Henry notices Juliet standing nearby holding a Stephen King book.]


its doesnt actually say. so i have my little doubt. even though im probably wrong.
im also confused about him sayin to ethan that there may actually be surviors.
that blows away a lot of my theories.