Ok, so any theories on who that really was who smiled and said hello to Juliet in the hallway at the beginning of the ep?

ETA: Thanks for your help. I should know better than to look away from the screen during Lost!

ethan.
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why are the east coast threads locked!

It was Ethan

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is this a trick question? Of course it appears to be Ethan with a worse haircut than before.

hmmm... I only caught a quick glance, but my boyfriend said the same thing (Ethan).

Is it him? Or a Bad Twin? ;) Actually, Ethan wasn't so good, so maybe this guy is a 'Good Twin'.
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is this a trick question? Of course it appears to be Ethan with a worse haircut than before.Sorry, no it was not meant to be a trick question... I just missed that part a bit and didn't know that it was a flashback, nor did I see who it was. The watching live thread was closed, and I just wanted to check.
Thanks for your help!

Ok I have a question. When Juliet was walking in the halls, on the way to see her sister and give medication.. was that a hospital, or her apartment??

When Juliet got in, her sister said that she fell asleep. But Ethan just came from her room right? So what did he do to her??

Does anyone else find it ironic that for all the "THAT WAS ETHAN!" posts we've seen in the past whenever a new male character appears in a flashback, this time Ethan actually does appear and we get a "who was that guy?" post? :)

Don't take me wrong--I'm not intending to be cruel, DharmaChick--I just found it amusing.

Ok I have a question. When Juliet was walking in the halls, on the way to see her sister and give medication.. was that a hospital, or her apartment??

When Juliet got in, her sister said that she fell asleep. But Ethan just came from her room right? So what did he do to her??


Refresh my memory ... did we see Ethan come out of her apartment? Or just walking down the hallway? We're just assuming that he was in her apt, right? Or there because he was staking out Juliet for recruiting purposes?

Looked to me that he came out one door, and she went into a different one all together.

I think it was the Other Man

Looked like Ethan had set himself in the apartment across the hallway from Rachel's, probably to keep an eye on her and Juliet. Might explain how Mittelos knew about the pregnancy, eh?

I thik Ethan was there doing recon work/background/research on Juliet but that he was not in the sister's apartment.

At first I didn't think that he came from her sister's apartment, but now that you mention it, it's possible. Anything is possible.

I don't think this was meant as an "OMG ETHAN?" moment. I think it was just to trick us into thinking it was an on island flashback. Ethan, the flickering light, the ugly hallway, the needle and yellow substance, the "experimental" treatment, the "everything is on a beach" remark. Then they reveal they're in Miami, and we think "Woah woah woah, why is Ethan with Juliet off the Island?"

That was my reaction, at least.

At first I didn't think that he came from her sister's apartment, but now that you mention it, it's possible. Anything is possible.

Ethan came out of the door on Juliet's right as she walked down the hall, as the camera angle switched, Juliet veered off to her left, as to go through another door.
The odd thing is, that there was no door on that side of the hall, only one door straight ahead, and the door knob was on Juliet's right not left.
Just another continuity error.

I need people like you to study the video and everything, because well I guess I'm just too lazy! thanks for the info. I think that Ethan definitely was there because of Juliet and it wasn't just a coincidence obviously. in the morgue when Juliet asked the man how he knew about her sister, he relpied something like we do our research. I think Ethan is definitely that kind of guy. He probably found out everything he could about Juliet. He is so creepy, just that look alone in the hallway, ugh!

Ethan came out of the door on Juliet's right as she walked down the hall, as the camera angle switched, Juliet veered off to her left, as to go through another door.
The odd thing is, that there was no door on that side of the hall, only one door straight ahead, and the door knob was on Juliet's right not left.
Just another continuity error.

Just watched that scene again. Ethen did indeed come out of the door on the right. Juliet went to the door at the end of the hall. The camera moved away from her (to our left) as she walked by, which made it appear that she veered to her left. She actually kept moving straight ahead.

Does anyone else find it ironic that for all the "THAT WAS ETHAN!" posts we've seen in the past whenever a new male character appears in a flashback, this time Ethan actually does appear and we get a "who was that guy?" post? :)

Don't take me wrong--I'm not intending to be cruel, DharmaChick--I just found it amusing.Lol. No, I didn't find that insulting at all. I might have if I had been one of the people who is into posting all of those "THAT WAS [insert character here]!!' posts... :biggrin: I agree that's funny in an ironic way.
I looked away from the screen a couple of times. I only caught the Ethan part for a fraction of a second. As many people in this thread have noted, the location looked like the medical hatch, and I missed the reveal that it was Miami, so I didn't know that it was a flashback.
That's why I was asking who that guy really was, as it was freaking me out that a dead guy was still walking around. :rolleyes:

I don't think this was meant as an "OMG ETHAN?" moment. I think it was just to trick us into thinking it was an on island flashback. Ethan, the flickering light, the ugly hallway, the needle and yellow substance, the "experimental" treatment, the "everything is on a beach" remark. Then they reveal they're in Miami, and we think "Woah woah woah, why is Ethan with Juliet off the Island?"

That was my reaction, at least.Agreed (there have been other threads (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=68497) on this, too), and the trick was even more effective on me, since I missed the reveal that they were in Miami!! Thank goodness you fellow Fusies helped me to sort that out.

I learned my lesson never to try to clean the apt (or do anything else distracting) and watch Lost at the same time!! It was my first and LAST attempt at that. :redface:

Right, when Ethan walked part Juilet in the first flashback, he says "Hello" to her, as if they knew eachother. And yet, when the Dharma guy or whoever it was and Ethan offered Juliet a job, she asked who he was.

If they didn't know eachother, what was he doing at Juliet's sister's place?

It seemed like a familiar hello. But I'm positive that Juliet did not know who Ethan was previous to the scene in the morgue.

At first I took it as a casual,neighborly hello and that it was one of Lost's "coincidence connections" that Ethan was in the Building but I now think he was leaving the Sisters apartment and may possibly be the "Baby Daddy"!

He was spying on Juliet and Rachel, gathering intelligence about the for Richard Alpert.

We've learned before that just because you meet someone in passing doesn't mean that you'll remember them (remember back to season 1 where Boone sees Sawyer in the police station yet never makes the connection once on the island). It happened so fast, we as the audience were the only ones to realize what had happened because we already know Ethan. I'm sure Juliette thought nothing of the passing stranger saying Hello.


Also, I couldn't help it but notice that flashback Ethan was a bit chunky. Seems like the island was good for him (if you exclude getting shot by Charlie, of course) :biggrin:

It seemed like a familiar hello. But I'm positive that Juliet did not know who Ethan was previous to the scene in the morgue.

I'm with you, missioni. It seemed like a familier hello to us, because we know who Ethan is. But at the time, I don't believe Juliet did. That makes it just a friendly (and also quite creepy, as in, what exactly was Ethan doing there...?) hello, but not a familier one.

As for Juliet not recognizing Ethan later on in the morgue, rememebr she had only seen him very briefly in passing and she's had lots on her mind since that brief encounter (if you can even call it an encounter): ill sister miraculously becomes pregnant, ex-husband violently killed, strange offer from mysterious research company, etc. Random "hellos" from strangers aren't very likely to be remembered in the wake of all she's been through emotionally.

At first I took it as a casual,neighborly hello and that it was one of Lost's "coincidence connections" that Ethan was in the Building but I now think he was leaving the Sisters apartment and may possibly be the "Baby Daddy"!

It _was_ strange that they knew the sister was pregnant and there is a bit of similarity between her dozey/dopey state and that of Claire when Ethan was drugging her. I like this theory. I don't know that I buy it but I like it.

It wouldn't be at all strange that Ethan would know Juliet, that Mittelos would know Rachel (Juliet's sister) is pregnant, or any of the other things. Remember, Mr. Alpert told Juliet he knew she was able to make a male mouse pregnant. They've been watching her for a while, and probably had people watching her (Ethan, even, at least at times).

Juliet knew Ethan. Not deeply, but she did say "Don't I know you" when introduced to him in the morgue.

So, since we didn't see all the other times Juliet was with her sister, it may be that Ethan and Juliet had crossed paths occasionally.

They knew all about Juliette ... about her research and her life.

The contact with Ethan was not accidental. He was in and around her looking into her life and her background. The reason he seemed familiar was because she had seen him around but never really pais much attention to him.

The Mittelos/Dharma/Whatever folks are very detailed in their contacts and approaches to "new recruits"

I think it is obvious that Ethan is the "recruters" henchman. He was sent to spy on Juliet. Why else would he show up in the morgue. This is how they knew the intimate details about Juliets life.

Ethan was defintely there scouting her out. He clearly was a pretty important part of the others before he died.

Why would Juliet let some man she doesn't know just leave her sisters apartment and not say a word?

(BTW - I know it was in Miami and I know it was Ethan)

He must have been working at the facility Rachel is staying at and Juliet hadn't met him yet.
But still - what was he doing in there?

Okay, just a few questions I have about the whole Ethan in the hallway outside Rachel's apartment scenario.

There were candles burning and music had been playing on a record player when Juliet walked into the apartment. Had she been with someone else prior to Juliet's arrival? Who is the father of Rachel's baby anyway? Juliet was concerned about her living there all by herself, right? Could there be some relationship between Ethan and Rachel?

It seems to me that Ethan had no direct connection to Rachel, but that he was in the building for investigative and recruitment purposes. Based on Claire's flashback episode, Ethan has some sort of medical knowledge and ability, especially when it comes to pregnancy, infants, etc.

Juliet's recognition of Ethan in the morgue has to be just of remembering that brief moment seeing him in the same building as her sister.

I thought that too (romantic setting) although it could have been someone else that Juliet knows about (the sperm donor)...but it could also suggest that Ethan may be the father of Rachael's child (you'd think Racheal would have told her who she was seeing though)....NB: long needle used and looked like it was injected deeply and directly into the ovary or somewhere around there....now that was interesting (fertility drugs I believe are given subcutaneously)....obviously Juliet knew nothing about Ethan (said hello in hallway and then asked him in the morgue had they met before )....I lean towards Ethan running reconnaissance as suggested, to get close to Juliet's fertility work.....thought it very interesting that it was a "male" mouse that nearly carried to term (made me think of the comedy "Junior") and then made me think that Rachael may not have had a uterus....oh well more questions

It _was_ strange that they knew the sister was pregnant and there is a bit of similarity between her dozey/dopey state and that of Claire when Ethan was drugging her. I like this theory. I don't know that I buy it but I like it.

yeah Im not having it "set in stone" but itd be interesting wouldnt it??

May explain his (eventual)tenderness towards Claire .......

it is interesting that Ethan was spying here and was also sent by Ben to spy on the Fuselage group.

I thought last night that obviously it looked like her sister had cancer unfortunately. Then after hearing she was pregnant, I started really thinking about why that would be such an accomplishment, so I thought maybe she had something wrong with her ovaries, uterus something that would totally demolish the chance of getting pregnant.

Right, when Ethan walked part Juilet in the first flashback, he says "Hello" to her, as if they knew eachother. And yet, when the Dharma guy or whoever it was and Ethan offered Juliet a job, she asked who he was.

If they didn't know eachother, what was he doing at Juliet's sister's place?

I don't think he was at Juliet's sister's place. I think he was walking out of another door in the hallway (a different apartment?). ..I think he had been shadowing her... And...Juliet never asked who Ethan was - Mr. Alpert introduced him without her asking.

The real reason Ethan was there, combined with the beach scene, flickering florecent light, and hallway colorscheme, was to make us think we were seeing Julliette in the Staff Station.
Storywise I'm sure he was there spying on her.

I think it is obvious that Ethan is the "recruters" henchman. He was sent to spy on Juliet.

Because he gave Claire those shots and wore a lab coat on the island, I'd always assumed that Ethan's "role" was medical-related, that he was some kind of doctor. It's interesting to think of him as a spy as well.

Alright, I might be totally off base about this one (and I will rewatch as soon as I get home from work, LOL) but the more I thought about it today, I'm wondering if the opening scene from last night took place *AFTER* Juliet found out Rachel was pregnant and they were both on the island? (A more recent flashback before a more dated flashback, if you will) First, Juliet is out on the beach obviously pondering something that is obviously distressing or upsetting her...then she walks inside. The hallway she is in has those same pale green walls that we have seen in the Hydra station hallways. Ethan walks by, in business attire and says "Hello", and continues walking... What I'm wondering is if Ethan escorted Juliet and Rachel to the Island thinking he would only be dropping them off and returning home and back to business, only to find himself stranded/held captive with Juliet which is why we see him working for Ben in the season opener. I'm betting that despite Mittleos' objections to Juliet during the interview about bringing her sister along to "Portland" we will find out down the road that Rachel did indeed accompany her to the Island and ended up succumbing to her cancer. I'm also willing to bet that Rachel suffered in some way or fashion due to plans that Ben was masterminding, which is why Juliet seemed dead set on taking him out... thoughts??

I guess my first thought is that Juliet was obviously very close to Rachael....and that it was Ben that separated them....no way was Juliet going to leave her sister imo....so Juliet was not there for her sister and whatever happened to the baby....from her actions she is pretty desperate to get home....don't know whether Ethan and Juliet became close....possibly she blames Ben for both Ethans death and her separation from Rachael....so I guess I am leaning towards Rachael not being on the island

Rachael did look like she had cancer but then again she could have looked that way due to side effects from the drug that Juliet was giving her (not cancer)....still leaning towards congenital absence of a uterus in Rachael

When I watched it agin, Ethan emerged from a room off to the right and Rachel was in a room straight ahead. He could have been monitoring what was going on from his room. I actually wondered if he had impregnated Rachel (not from the other room, though;)

Maybe he got her pregnant.

I'm wondering if maybe Ben suffers from the same affliction as Rachel did, and during the course of their research and her subsequent death they found that conventional treatments were useless. After she died, Ben knew his only chance was surgery and Juliet hates him for not giving Rachel that chance for survival. I'm still not convinced that she didn't end up going with Juliet to the island....
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To continue on my rambling/thoughts here...LOL when Ben and Juliet were talking privately in the OR hie Jack watched, I'm wondering if he told Juliet that the only chance to ever see/hear from her sister again was to let him live... we know that people who have perished have been seen in some form on the island... (Jack's dad, Eko's brother, Kate's horse) I think Ben knows the source/cause of these apparitions and tells her that he will share/reveal them to her, but only if he lives...
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Also - I just rewatched the first scene with Juliet sitting on the beach...and it looks apparent to me that the building she goes into is clearly on the Island. I don't think in that first flashback she is in Miami, she's on the Island with her sister. Maybe the book she is holding and crying about is the test results that show her sister is not going to survive???
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OK, I'm also a complete retard....so please don't punish me. All day while thinking about that scene, I COMPLETELY forgot that she pulls away the blinds to reveal the cityscape... oh man...I apologize...lol

I guess my first thought is that Juliet was obviously very close to Rachael....and that it was Ben that separated them....no way was Juliet going to leave her sister imo....so Juliet was not there for her sister and whatever happened to the baby....from her actions she is pretty desperate to get home....don't know whether Ethan and Juliet became close....possibly she blames Ben for both Ethans death and her separation from Rachael....so I guess I am leaning towards Rachael not being on the island

Rachael did look like she had cancer but then again she could have looked that way due to side effects from the drug that Juliet was giving her (not cancer)....still leaning towards congenital absence of a uterus in Rachael

As I'm sure you'll remember, in one of Juliet's first scenes we saw Ethan fixing her plumbing. This is by no means a dead giveaway that they were close, but seeing as how we now know that they had met (at least) once off-island, I think it makes a lot of sense that they would have some sort of a bond ON the island. Anybody?

BTW: That reference to plumbing has nothing to do with your uterus theory whatsoever. For the record. :)

my uterus theory stands alone doesn't it :biggrin: ...gimme a break the mouse had no uterus remember...gotta be some deep meaning in that one eh?

ETA - my uterus theory has legs....it ran off with Rachael's uterus

Boy, I'm glad to find this thread and see I'm not alone.

That was one honking dharma building that Rachel was in.

Re the window with the Miami view - the magazine under Rachel's pregnancy test might be a clue: Glass Patterns Quarterly - about stained glass.
(No, the Miami view wasn't stained glass, but it was fake, to fool Rachel.)

The whole first scene was nuts. I'm all in with you folks who think that first scene took place after the others, and Rachel was moved to the island.

Re Ethan & Juliet in the hallway - it wasn't a continuity error but it was darn sure filmed in a deliberately deceptive way.

come on you guys...ethan a neighbor?spying on jules sis??come on,spy like how?like,the kind that hides in the corners with coffee and donuts??i think Ethan and his co impregnated jules sis.and not juliet.it was all their job!from the start...

Ethan planted a pregency test that would register a "positive result" once activated.

Juliette would have stayed with her sister unless she had accomplished her mission to get her pregnent.

Ethan planted a pregency test that would register a "positive result" once activated.

Juliette would have stayed with her sister unless she had accomplished her mission to get her pregnent.


-- I'm disinclined to think that Ethan (and/or Mittelos/Dharma) had Rachel impregnated. Wasn't the whole reason they wanted to recruit Juliet because she had managed to make babies grow where they shouldn't? They want to use her skills as a fertility researcher and doctor - what good would it to to fool her into coming if she would only be of limited use (whatever use that may be...)?

Ethan didn't come out of Julia's sister's room in the beginning. If we are facing from Julia's point of view, Ethan comes out of the right door, while Julia turns to the left door.

Boy, I'm glad to find this thread and see I'm not alone.

That was one honking dharma building that Rachel was in.

Re the window with the Miami view - the magazine under Rachel's pregnancy test might be a clue: Glass Patterns Quarterly - about stained glass.
(No, the Miami view wasn't stained glass, but it was fake, to fool Rachel.)

The whole first scene was nuts. I'm all in with you folks who think that first scene took place after the others, and Rachel was moved to the island.



Great Idea man, the plane flying past the window looked fake, really fake.

Perhaps there is more than one Ethan. That would explain why he is in multiple flashbacks and why his appearance changes.

I just thought of this when I read the reply about the airplane looking "really, really fake". I'm not sure if that was just a special effects issue or not, but I kind of like that idea that the cityscape was an illusion. The building looked to me to be *far* too similar to a Dharma building to be an apartment building.

Also, (and my navigation skills may not be great, LOL) when Juliet is sitting out on the beach watching the sunset, that would imply she is looking off to the west. She turns around (facing east now) and walks back into the building. She turns to *her* left to walk into Rachel's room (facing north now) and then pulls the curtains open to reveal the cityscape to the North. They are obviously not in Miami (its on the eastern Florida coast) if Juliet is watching an ocean sunset on a west-facing beach. Does my logic make sense? I'm almost convinced that this first scene actually took place immediately after they arrived on the Island, and the cityscape was an illusion setup to keep Rachel from becoming alarmed or scared. Any thoughts?

All I'm responding to at the moment is the question in the thread title...

Ethan in the hallway...why?

I got the impression Mr. Alpert let slip the reason why...

ALPERT: Just give us six months, if you need to you'll be back before your sister gives birth.

JULIET: How did you know that my...

ALPERT: [cutting her off] Well were...very thorough in our recruitment process.

Those transcripts aren't exact but it seemed like they were strongly hinting Ethan had been keeping a close eye on Juliet and her work, at the exact moment Alpert says it they cut to a close up of Ethan.

He doesn't get introduced as Dr. Rom either which I found a little odd, just Ethan.

ethan palnting a pregnancy test that would show positive results either way???THATS THE WISEST THING IVE HEARD LATELY!!of course he did!and no,they didnt want juliet just because she impregnated a male mouse???we dont know yet why they want her!well ,unless we wanna believe WHAT they say,which is somewhat unlikely....
and one things for sure..Juliet,WOULDNT leave her sister unless she knew she d be ok!unless she was better off with her baby and her parents maybe?
man...!!

She also had a blood test done to confirm the pregnancy.

Right, when Ethan walked part Juilet in the first flashback, he says "Hello" to her, as if they knew eachother. And yet, when the Dharma guy or whoever it was and Ethan offered Juliet a job, she asked who he was.

If they didn't know eachother, what was he doing at Juliet's sister's place?In the morgue Juliette asked Ethan if she had seen him somewhere before.

I bet Ethan is sweet on her, he looked so happy to see her~

I agree with those who think that Ethan is investigating about Juliet's sister, and I'll add that he behaved in a casual, friendly way not to make Juliet suspicious about his presence in the apartment building where her sister was living. I watched the opening four times and I'm pretty sure that he came out of a different door than the one Juliet later opens.

As regards to the chronology of the scenes, I believe that all the flashback moments in this episode are all in order. That is, I don't think that the opening scene took place on the island. The setting is deceiving, even part of the dialogue between the sisters is, but I think that the strongest proof that this first scene took place in Miami is the vial of fluid Juliet uses to inject Rachel. It's clearly of the same type of vials Juliet steals from the lab in a later flashback scene. And this is consistent with this piece of dialogue:

JULIET: We don't have to keep doing this, you know.

RACHEL: Are you saying that because you don't think it's gonna work or because you're afraid he'll find out?

Here, in my opinion, Rachel is referring to the fact that Juliet has been stealing vials from the lab for some time, by now. And "he" is Edmund Burke. In fact, when Juliet later goes in the lab to steal more vials, he almost catches her stealing.

That's the way I took it.

I also wouldn't doubt that Ethan is sweet on Juliette. He was fixing her plumbing in A Tale of Two Cities.

Boy, I'm glad to find this thread and see I'm not alone.

That was one honking dharma building that Rachel was in.

Re the window with the Miami view - the magazine under Rachel's pregnancy test might be a clue: Glass Patterns Quarterly - about stained glass.
(No, the Miami view wasn't stained glass, but it was fake, to fool Rachel.)


Not too sure about a fake view, but yeah def. a Dharma building of some description. Perhaps it was just me, but was anyone else struck by the lamp next to Juliettes sister. It just seemed to scream Dharma! Perhaps because the base was octagonal in shape- but im sure from the very quick glimpses we got there was a Dharma symbol on the front. (Though why Dharma would be in the business of producing lamps is beyond me..)

Perhaps it was just me, but was anyone else struck by the lamp next to Juliettes sister. It just seemed to scream Dharma! Perhaps because the base was octagonal in shape- but im sure from the very quick glimpses we got there was a Dharma symbol on the front. (

The lamp's been mentioned several times on different threads, even has a small thread of its own.. titled Dharma Lamp, I think.

Ethan came out of a door that Juliet then walked passed - he wasn't in the apartment. But he was in the building, I'm sure, for monitoring Juliet and her sister. Given what Juliet said they had on Jack in his dossier earlier this season - clearly they're very good at gathering all kinds of information on subjects - for all we know, they know all about the various connections between the Losties too...those Others - they're smarties!

she had a blood test too,but guess who prolly held the syringe!

I don't believe that Ethan came out of Rachels room.
If Ethan did come out of her sisters room and Juliette didn't know who it was, wouldn't Juliette have asked her sister "who was that" out of curiosity?!
Especially since she is stealing medicine and doing her own research and tests with it.

He was spying on her to see how she lived