Was he one of the scientists that got Lost with Rousseu???

...Or does she just call him "Dad" because he raised her for as long as she can remember?

I thought that since Alex was taken at such a young age that they just told her that Ben was her father.m She'd have no memory of Rouseau at all, they could tell her anything they wanted to.

yes they can tell her whatever they want because we know they brainwash people...but there is a possiblilty that he (Ben)got pulled into that island with Rousseu and got brainwashed himself to be loved by Jacob...

we dont knw how long he has really been on the island

I thought that since Alex was taken at such a young age that they just told her that Ben was her father.m She'd have no memory of Rouseau at all, they could tell her anything they wanted to.

I've heard speculation that Rousseau may not have been on the island as long as she believed...more like 10 years.

But more realistically, "I saw a teenage girl, with blue eyes" -Claire

Alex is being told Ben is her father to simplify things, and she thinks Danielle is dead.

I definitely think the situation is that Ben raised Alex, and he probably does love her as a daughter. Remember, he did ask for her as he was going under for surgery. Ben couldn't have been a part of Rousseau's team, unless a) they were really good actors when Danielle caught him in the net, or b) she is crazy enough not to remember him. I don't think Alex has any clue Danielle even exists.

There is a chance that Alex has some idea what's going on...For someone as discontented as she is...it's probably about more than Carl. It's possible she knows Ben's not her real father, but she's put in the position where she has to play the role of dutiful daugther. She's a prisoner in a way...playing a role.

I agree, I don't think that Alex even knows Rouseau exists. She was much too young to remember anyone besides Ben (and whoever they might have told her was her mother).

If Danielle is Alex's mother, it seems like Ben doesn't want them to meet.

I still think Danielle is her mother.

Don't want to be repetitive, but I do believe that Alex was brainwashed/forced (though not unwillingly) to believe that Ben is her father...though I think she realizes that there is something more (her desire to leave their island). Obviously Ben doesn't want Alex to know about Danielle. Maybe there is something in Dharma about creating a "family" situation.

Quick theory: Ben and Danielle are Alex's biological parents, and Danielle is telling the truth about how she got there.

-The Others at some point (until the sky turned purple as Tom said) could leave the island.
-The island is "3 days out from Tahiti" by boat, according to Rousseau.
-Rousseau had "Henry" strung up for over a day before she led Sayid to him, then told him "He will lie. For a long time, he will lie."

Ben left the island 16 years ago, visited French Polynesia, had a relationship with Danielle and got her pregnant, then returned home. Danielle embarked on a science mission while pregnant, crashed on the island, and the Others took her baby because Ben already knew she was coming.

Years later, Rousseau traps Ben in the jungle, recognizes him, but doesn't want to tell the survivors how she knows him. She instead hands him over to Sayid with a warning.

Is anyone else possibly thinking that Alex is the child of both Rosseau and Ben? Unless Tom is her father, that could be a possibility as well.

I remember Danielle said her husband's name was Robert. (she didn't say if Robert was the baby's father)

I believe they came (Ben & Co.) took Alex and Ben brought her up. But Danielle said "they're all dead" - maybe Ben & Co. did something to Danielle and her crew.

I think it's probably that Ben took the baby to be raised by the Others.

I'm sure Alex only THINKS Ben is her father. (Or perhaps is even aware that he isn't biologically so, but has been "raised" by him so views him as a father-figure.) Poor kid! I'm surprised she's turned out as well as she has. :eek:

I'm with Angela12; I think Ben isn't really Alex's father. IIRC, Rousseau was already pregnant when she and her team were shipwrecked on the island. Ben said he had been on the island all his life, long before Rousseau and Alex arrived. It's interesting that he decided to make her his "daughter"; although I could certainly understand why none of the other Others would want him to father their child... *shudders*

LOL what about Tom then?

Agreed. I think Alex was raised by Ben, and may or may not know that he's not her biological father.

Unless the "boss" is "Jacob"

Rousseau and Ben having some jungle sexytime huh? I'm only partially convinced that Ben is her real father.. but Danielle being her mom would explain Alex's skill with making hidden hatches in the dirt, and her slingshot aim!

Agreed with the Ben only being the guy that raised her thing. As for Tom, nope, I don't think so either. Not only was she pregnant before being on the island as Sursum Corda said, but I think that Rousseau even said that her husband, or at the very least the father of her baby was on her team. And she shot him when he got sick.

Yea I wonder who this Jacob guy is.

Or maybe Rouseau is even nuttier than we thought. Perhaps Alex is Ben's child, but not Rouseau's.

maybe Rousseau's team worked for mittelos. . . or were recuited by them.

Maybe via ship is the safest way to the island? Ben knew exactly what direction to send Mike and Walt to find a major shipping lane. . .

I think Jacob is the Dad for sure!......but Alex might think that Henry is.

loved the epi though

If Ben were Alex's real father, I think that Danielle would have recognized him and said something to that effect when Ben was caught in one of her traps back last season. IIRC, all she said was that he was "one of them"...

Rousseau tells Sayid in "Solitary" (1.09) that a man named Robert was her "love," and thus presumably Alex's father. She killed him and the rest of her team when they became "infected."

Haha in this thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=66228) a little while ago, Zlatna made a wicked funny comment about this:

um yeah and

They stole Alex at birth, of course Ben is going to pass himself off as her father to Alex. It legitimizes the crime. It's not unlike Michael Devlin passing off Shawn Hornbeck as his son, after he kidnapped him.

He ain't Robert,that's for sure. One he's lived on the Island all his life, and two Danielle would have recognized him when he had him trapped in the net, and I think in that case she'd probably have shot him in the 'nads, rather than the shoulder when he tried to run.



(Hoping she doesn't mind the quote-age!!)

If Ben were Alex's real father, I think that Danielle would have recognized him and said something to that effect when Ben was caught in one of her traps back last season. IIRC, all she said was that he was "one of them"...

Yes! I think the fact that Rousseau caught Ben in one of her traps and didn't recognize him- except as an Other- is retty good evidence that he's not Alex's birth father.

I'm sure Alex only THINKS Ben is her father. (Or perhaps is even aware that he isn't biologically so, but has been "raised" by him so views him as a father-figure.) Poor kid! I'm surprised she's turned out as well as she has. :eek:

I agree. I believe that Alex's father's name is Robert.

Rousseau and Ben having some jungle sexytime huh? I'm only partially convinced that Ben is her real father.. but Danielle being her mom would explain Alex's skill with making hidden hatches in the dirt, and her slingshot aim!

Um, According to Danielle she was already pregnant when they were stranded on the island. And I thinki it's pretty much established already that the Other's Alex is Danielle's daughter Alex...

Didn't Claire tell Danielle about Alex in Maternity Leave?

If Ben were Alex's real father, I think that Danielle would have recognized him and said something to that effect when Ben was caught in one of her traps back last season. IIRC, all she said was that he was "one of them"...

Good point....

Looks like Alex was Raised by an Other.

Just a thought here, but I'm beginning to wonder if Rousseau ever actually was part of a crew. As far as I can remember, we've never seen her shipwreck (or whatever would be left of it after 18 years), or any proof of her story. Maybe she was once an Other herself, had a legit biological child with Ben, and then went crazy at some point and split from the rest of the Others?

It's an out-there theory though...and the reality is probably just as everyone else has said and Ben is merely the guy who raised her and so she believes he's her real pop.

Just a thought here, but I'm beginning to wonder if Rousseau ever actually was part of a crew. As far as I can remember, we've never seen her shipwreck (or whatever would be left of it after 18 years), or any proof of her story. Maybe she was once an Other herself, had a legit biological child with Ben, and then went crazy at some point and split from the rest of the Others?

It's an out-there theory though...and the reality is probably just as everyone else has said and Ben is merely the guy who raised her and so she believes he's her real pop.

Ben lies. We know Ben LIES. We've seen Ben LIE how many times? We know Ben lies repeatedly and often and for whatever reason suits his purpose. He's a lying liar that lies. He's a lying liar that lies until he gets caught in his lie, and then he swaps out that lie for another LIE!!!!

The mere fact that he claims to be Alex's father should be good proof that he isn't, except perhaps in name only and then only because he kidnapped her at birth and has been LYING to her that he is her father for 16+ years).

I really do think that Alex is not the child of Ben. But all this talk about Rousseau recognizing him when she caught him. We don't know if she did or not. She went to get Sayid and just told him "he is one of the Others".

how could she have known that for sure unless she already recognized him? Plus I do like that theory that Danielle is really bonkers and Alex actually does turn out to be Ben's kid, nice twist indeed.

didnt Alex refer to him as Ben, not dad in 306?

Just a thought here, but I'm beginning to wonder if Rousseau ever actually was part of a crew. As far as I can remember, we've never seen her shipwreck (or whatever would be left of it after 18 years), or any proof of her story. Maybe she was once an Other herself, had a legit biological child with Ben, and then went crazy at some point and split from the rest of the Others?...

Here's a theory: What if Danielle was, indeed, one of the others, but she came to the island in much the same way Juliette did (i.e. she came voluntarily and wasn't allowed to leave). She started to become a "problem," was kept in room 23 for a spell. Her "story" about the science team... etc, was the result of (and the purpose of) the brainwashing. Seems this would be a good way to marginalize a "problem."

I imagine that Danielle didn't become a "problem" until Ben, et. al., wanted to take her child.

Under that theory, it's plausible that Danielle and Ben could have been involved but the brainwashing prevented her from recognizing Ben when she trapped him. This would also explain the distinct lack of evidence for Danielle's "shipwreck" story (as well as her generally freakish behavior).

I still think Danielle is her birthmother also...But I still keep on gnawing at the idea that Benry "knew" Danielle.

I think Danielle is the mother and Ben has just adopted her. I don't see how Ben and Danielle could have actually conceived Alex together.

I definitely think that Danielle is the birth mother of Alex. As for Ben being her father. It's possible she just thinks that's her father. That would make sense right? Since she was taken so long ago that she wouldn't remember even having a mother.

I definitely think that Danielle is the birth mother of Alex. As for Ben being her father. It's possible she just thinks that's her father. That would make sense right? Since she was taken so long ago that she wouldn't remember even having a mother.

This is my theory, too. Ben raised Alex but is not her biological father. However Alex does not know this.

Like I said in another post, I think Danielle is Alex's mother. I don't think Danielle is as crazy as she looks. If someone stole your daughter I think you'd be a little weird too, also if you had to stay on an island for 16 years by yourself, knowing that they took your daughter and you can't get her back. I don't think Ben is her father, but the others took her and Ben has been acting father to her. She wouldn't remember that she even had a mother when she was taken so young.

I would like to think that Rouseau and Ben were a couple. Danielle went crazy and they made her leave, although that isn't necessarily consistent with what the others do. Or maybe they did the whole brainwashing thing that they did to Karl to Danielle, bu they only got halfway through, and that is part of the reason that she is slightly off kilter. Ben and Rouseau are the biological parents.

just to put my 2 cents in, I agree with alot of the posts - Ben raised Alex, so Alex knows him as 'dad'

I have another take on the whole thing...I picked up what appeared to be a reference to the movie WILLARD in the episode. Juliet mentioned in one of the flashbacks that she had impregnated a male rat. Well, thinking back to the movie (both versions), the male rat that was Willard's friend was---Ben. Which leads me to a bizarre thought...is Ben both Alex's father and mother (so to speak)?

I'm agree that Ben raised Alex after kidnapping her-- and wonder if there wasn't a Mrs. Ben back then. I'm thinking that Danielle may have lied about never seeing the Others. The way Alex gets around she and Danielle may have met and Danielle could have told her all about what happened. Now the could meet frequently, but couldn't acknowledge that. Anyway, that could be how Danielle knows about Ben's lying -- or she could just know he lies because she interrogated him for more than 5 minutes while he was hanging in her trap...

Sorry, mrmnjewel, but it is physically impossible for a human male to carry a baby to term, even if they have a C-section. There just isn't room in the body for a uterus. That is why female bodies are shaped differently. The only way for thta to work would be if she was a test tube baby.

I think that it is logical that Rousseau is Alex's mother. She even has her name. It doesn't seem that the others are changes peoples names, so we can assume that it is the same person. Ben raised her, so Alex calls him dad.

I don't think there is anyway that Rousseau and Ben are working together. If that were the case, don't you think that Rousseau would be able to live in the utopian community of the others? We have always just seen her out in the jungle on her own. It wouldn't make sense for her to work with them and live off mangos running from smoke monsters if she could live in a house with an oven, etc. That is just my two cents.

Just voicing my agreement that Ben is not biologically her father.

I'm agree that Ben raised Alex after kidnapping her-- and wonder if there wasn't a Mrs. Ben back then. I'm thinking that Danielle may have lied about never seeing the Others. The way Alex gets around she and Danielle may have met and Danielle could have told her all about what happened. Now the could meet frequently, but couldn't acknowledge that. Anyway, that could be how Danielle knows about Ben's lying -- or she could just know he lies because she interrogated him for more than 5 minutes while he was hanging in her trap...

I kinda of think that if there was a "Mrs. Ben" that it would be Juliet. That doesn't necessarily mean that they were romantically linked, I think that a part of Dharma and their utopian society is that they want to create a "family."

I really do think that Alex is not the child of Ben. But all this talk about Rousseau recognizing him when she caught him. We don't know if she did or not. She went to get Sayid and just told him "he is one of the Others".

how could she have known that for sure unless she already recognized him?

Um, the same way she was so sure that Sayid was one of "the others" when she was torturing him in Solitary - he's not in the little circle that is described as "us" in her head. Sayid managed to convince her that he was not one of her "others", he was telling her the truth. Ben likely kept trying to convince her by lying to her.

We know stuff crashes on the Island - the drug plane, Henry Gale's balloon, the Black Rock.
We KNOW Benry and the gang steal children - Walt, the two from the tailsection.
We now know that they hold adults against their will - Juliette.
We KNOW they will happily kill people.

I think Rousseau's story is exactly what Rousseau's story is. Shipwrecked on Island, baby kidnapped, went a little crazy from spending 16 years alone. And poor Alex, like Shawn Hornsbeck of recent headlines has been manipulated and passed off as her kidnapper's and captor's child.

Adding support to the idea that Ben isn't the biological father to alex is the fact that Rousseau is the one who captured "Henry Gale" and then turned him over to Sayid.... Even in her slightly-off state of mind, one would think she would recognize him. Not to mention she already admitted having killed her husband due to THE illness.

the timing doesn't make sense though - Rousseu says she killed everyone - Alex is supposed to be Rousseu's child, but now she is also Ben's who is 16(?) and Juliet has only been on the island for 3(?) years.

I am guessing that Rousseu lost her child due to Ethan's bad science around the same time that Ben became pregnant with Alex. But again, I am stuck with the 3 years thing with Juliet.

Sorry, mrmnjewel, but it is physically impossible for a human male to carry a baby to term, even if they have a C-section. There just isn't room in the body for a uterus. That is why female bodies are shaped differently. The only way for thta to work would be if she was a test tube baby.

I think that it is logical that Rousseau is Alex's mother. She even has her name. It doesn't seem that the others are changes peoples names, so we can assume that it is the same person. Ben raised her, so Alex calls him dad.

I don't think there is anyway that Rousseau and Ben are working together. If that were the case, don't you think that Rousseau would be able to live in the utopian community of the others? We have always just seen her out in the jungle on her own. It wouldn't make sense for her to work with them and live off mangos running from smoke monsters if she could live in a house with an oven, etc. That is just my two cents.

Oh, trust me...I am VERY familiar with the human anatomy...I was a paramedic for years...I am aware that in reality such an idea is preposterous...however, we are dealing with FICTION here...I mean, come on...in a world of smoke monsters, we could conceivably have a pregnant man. I just found the idea intriguing

Ben said when he introduced himself to Jack, "my name is Benjamin Linus, and I've lived on this island my entire life." I'm not sure exactly how old he is (mid-forties) so I believe he must have been on the island long before Rosseau showed up. And, it wasn't Danielle who said she was on the island for 16 years, it was Sayid who said that, based on the number of messages in her rescue loop message.

What is about the others, though? do they all have fertility problems and that's why they abduct children and need a fertility guru?

Ben said when he introduced himself to Jack, "my name is Benjamin Linus, and I've lived on this island my entire life."

Ben lies, I'm sure we'll eventually find out that he's been lying about that too.

What is about the others, though? do they all have fertility problems and that's why they abduct children and need a fertility guru?

That is what I think the interesting question is.

If it turns out that Ben got pregnant, I'm not watching this show anymore :-p

If it turns out that Ben got pregnant, I'm not watching this show anymore :-p


LOL...I understand. That would be...bizarre, to say that least!

Yes! I think the fact that Rousseau caught Ben in one of her traps and didn't recognize him- except as an Other- is retty good evidence that he's not Alex's birth father.

But Danielle is "crazy" also we know thery brainwash people and have that ability...so 2 theories here....or out loud thoughts...
1. Danielle was drugged when Ben got to know her 16 years ago.
2. Danielle was soo far out of it she didnt rcognisze Benry.

Adding support to the idea that Ben isn't the biological father to alex is the fact that Rousseau is the one who captured "Henry Gale" and then turned him over to Sayid.... Even in her slightly-off state of mind, one would think she would recognize him. Not to mention she already admitted having killed her husband due to THE illness.

So if I go with theory.thought out loud number 1...than she would not know that Benry was the biological father of her daughter.

Ben said when he introduced himself to Jack, "my name is Benjamin Linus, and I've lived on this island my entire life." I'm not sure exactly how old he is (mid-forties) so I believe he must have been on the island long before Rosseau showed up. And, it wasn't Danielle who said she was on the island for 16 years, it was Sayid who said that, based on the number of messages in her rescue loop message.

What is about the others, though? do they all have fertility problems and that's why they abduct children and need a fertility guru?

If they have been playing around with infertility treatments that this may work as an idea thast Benry is her biological father.

Reguardless of whether or not he is biological father. Now that Carl will be with our buddies on the island. Danielle will eventually find out about alex. That will be awesome!

Come on people. Everyone knows that Alex's biological father is really Nathan Petrelli. :biggrin:

Come on people. Everyone knows that Alex's biological father is really Nathan Petrelli. :biggrin:

Too good! ROTF! :grin:

lolol...funny!

Some info. about Ben.


This isn't a spoiler because I doubt it will be discussed on the show but the actor told Kristen from eonline that Ben was telling the truth when he told Jack "he's been on the island his whole life. More than likely he was born there.

I'm sticking with my theory that Alex is Ben's child but not Danielles.

We all seem to be forgetting that Danielle is a certifiable loon. She kidnapped Aaron and tried to trade him. She killed her husband and team. She attacked Claire. She tried to shoot Charlie and Hurley. And she tortured Sayid. She might not even have a child.

If it turns out that Ben got pregnant, I'm not watching this show anymore :-p

I second that.
Seriously.



I'm thinking that it's pretty strange that *if* baby Alex, who was only a week old when she was taken, was allegedly adopted by Ben, that he wouldn't change her name.

I wonder if the fact that she's called "Alex" is a red herring?
Maybe she isn't Rousseau's child at all?

And clearly Rousseau doesn't know/recognize Ben, cuz she's the one who captured him last season...and said she THOUGHT he was an "other".

I'm sticking with my theory that Alex is Ben's child but not Danielles.

We all seem to be forgetting that Danielle is a certifiable loon. She kidnapped Aaron and tried to trade him. She killed her husband and team. She attacked Claire. She tried to shoot Charlie and Hurley. And she tortured Sayid. She might not even have a child.

I agree. I've always been suspicious of anything Danielle says or anything having to do with her situation. Still, she did know Alex's name, and Alex's age versus how long Danielle has supposedly been on the island do match. So, Danielle knew about her somehow.

Certainly if Ben stole Alex he would have changed her name ?? That just bothers me and Im not exactly sure why :laugh:

I think the part about her hiding "underground" with Kate and Sawyer was to parrallel Danielle being underground (back when she had Sayid )... like mother like daughter ???

I just feel like as crazy as Danielle is I think Alex is her daughter. But why didnt they change her name ????
:34853_huh:

i believe that danielle and her french husband crashed, danielle was convinced by the other s not only that her team was infected by some incurable disease but also that she was to kill her team. then they left her on her one in the jungle as research. i don't think alex has any idea who danielle is or the real story about who her family is and how she came to be on the island. ben is definitely not the father - and i'm pissed off that neither sawyer nor kate remembered (or they might not have been told - another issue with the losties just not communicating).

Certainly if Ben stole Alex he would have changed her name ?? That just bothers me and Im not exactly sure why :laugh:

I think the part about her hiding "underground" with Kate and Sawyer was to parrallel Danielle being underground (back when she had Sayid )... like mother like daughter ???

I just feel like as crazy as Danielle is I think Alex is her daughter. But why didnt they change her name ????
:34853_huh:

That is true.....and I honestly never thought about that unless the others have some weird thoughts about changing names........

Do you think now that Carl is going over the the losties side Alex's exsistance will be affirmed to Danielle?

I could totally see Ben being so cocky and full of himself that he figured either a) Danielle would never find out, or b) if she did find out, tough noogies - he might even enjoy rubbing her face in it. He's been crueler than that before, and he's certainly arrogant enough.

As far as Sawyer or Kate not knowing if Alex was Danielle's daughter, they were standing right there on the beach when Danielle told her story back at the end of season one (and referred to her daughter, Alex) but I could see them possibly not remembering - cripes, characters on this show don't seem to remember what happened five minutes ago. :rolleyes:

Come on people. Everyone knows that Alex's biological father is really Nathan Petrelli. :biggrin:

Ahh, I hadn't seen that episode yet! Now I am all spolied! Hmpf!

Though I do like the joke :)

just wanted to say my personal thoughts.

We know from juliet saying she has been kept on the island for 3 years that the dharma initiative(im using this term to refer to ben and the others) is not a sustainable community people are a valuable comodity and are needed to keep the initiative going. Brainwashing adults is dificult but young children are very impressionable, therefore the initiative would favor the "aquiring" of young members for training into the initiative (Walt, the children from the tail section, alex, and claire being kidnapped for her child). This is something they do quite regularly, It may well be that Alex was the first child they "aquired" and ben took the opportunity to adopt her, probably with some story about her mother dying in labour.

I seriously doubt the idea that ben is actually her biological father as i think danielle might have noticed while she had him in the net and brought sayid.

There is no way Ben is Alex's real father. C'mon peoples, don't we all know by now how much they love kidnapping children and lying to everyone about... everything?!

Ahh, I hadn't seen that episode yet! Now I am all spolied! Hmpf!

Though I do like the joke :)

Sorry. :frown:

OK so here's my thought. What if Ben is the biological father but Danielle has never met him. They are doing all the fertillity experiements. She could have been concieved by invitro. Just a theory. Do we know Danielle was pregnant when she came to the island?

OK so here's my thought. What if Ben is the biological father but Danielle has never met him. They are doing all the fertillity experiements. She could have been concieved by invitro. Just a theory. Do we know Danielle was pregnant when she came to the island?

According to her speech near the beginning of Exodus, she was 7 months pregnant when her team arrived on the Island.

I think there is a person higher up on the totem pole than Ben whom we haven't met. I think whoever that is is Alex's father. What became of the dark-haired guy who was recruiting Claire to "come work for us"? He seems like Mr. Charismatic, could be the head honcho...

According to her speech near the beginning of Exodus, she was 7 months pregnant when her team arrived on the Island.

One thing that bothers me about that is why would she be doing a science mission when so heavily pregnant??

One thing that bothers me about that is why would she be doing a science mission when so heavily pregnant??

It makes me wonder if her science team were on their way to the island anyway. Mmaybe they had been recruited in much the same way as Juliet? So Rousseau was meant to be there, and was conveniently pregnant.

yes they can tell her whatever they want because we know they brainwash people...but there is a possiblilty that he (Ben)got pulled into that island with Rousseu and got brainwashed himself to be loved by Jacob...

we dont knw how long he has really been on the island
I just had this crazy idea. What if Jacob is what we call the monster, and the others are worshipping it?

One thing that bothers me about that is why would she be doing a science mission when so heavily pregnant??

Here's a thought - she and her love Robert go out on a science mission, a little sex and a contraceptive malfunction later she's pregnant, they decide not to abort the mission, it's not like she's contagious or about to die from the condition, Tahiti is their last port of call on their way home when they get sucked into the Island.

It makes me wonder if her science team were on their way to the island anyway. Mmaybe they had been recruited in much the same way as Juliet? So Rousseau was meant to be there, and was conveniently pregnant.

Well, if we are going by what Rousseau has actually told us, then no, they got shipwrecked there, drawn in by the numbers.

Well, if we are going by what Rousseau has actually told us, then no, they got shipwrecked there, drawn in by the numbers.


Yes, they were shipwrecked, but where were they heading when they were shipwrecked? It's not out of the bounds of possibility that they were heading there anyway. Maybe they were deliberately following the numbers transmission - maybe that was the only way to find the island?

Also, I think at some point we will find that she's been somewhat economical with the truth, if not lying outright.

Plus you also have to remember that Rousseau is a few slices short of a pizza.

Yes, they were shipwrecked, but where were they heading when they were shipwrecked? It's not out of the bounds of possibility that they were heading there anyway. Maybe they were deliberately following the numbers transmission - maybe that was the only way to find the island?

Also, I think at some point we will find that she's been somewhat economical with the truth, if not lying outright.

Plus you also have to remember that Rousseau is a few slices short of a pizza.

If you actually go back and listen to what Danielle has actually said, then, NO, the island was NOT where they were heading. And from her remarks to Hurley in Numbers her team had not heard or heard of the numbers until they encountered the transmission of them from the Island.

I can only think of one instance we know of where Danielle has lied about anything - and that had to do her her getting her hands on Aaron to trade him for Alex, which is the thing that OBSESSES Danielle. She doesn't tend to volunteer information, no, her social skills are shot to hell from living alone for 16 years, but pretty much everything she's told us has been the truth.

I almost 100% don't think that Ben is Alex's biological father. Largely because they weren't too secretive about it. If Ben was really her father, I think they would have written it way more shockingly. It makes wonderful sense to just tell Alex that Ben is her father, if he really has been there his whole life. Alex has been there for 16 years, so has Ben, I'm not sure many other Others have been there the entire time...Alex would remember Ben always being there and not question it too much.

And I also confidently think that Danielle actually is the mother. Danielle might be a liar and crazy on some other aspects, but almost every time we see her, she wants her Alex. It doesn't seem like she's faking that. And for those people who think it's cute how Alex is good at making hideouts and stuff... I hope you're kidding, considering there's no way Alex would pick up those "traits" from her mother, especially considering Danielle wouldn't have had those skills until after Alex was born and out of her care. Zero correlation there.

I think she was taken just as Danielle said.

Alex was raised as Bens daughter, she believes he his her father - yet she is old enough to disagree with what they are doing - this is why she tries to help the losties.

BEN can't be Alex's daddy!....or can he?? I am very sure that this is all part of the brainwashing. I think that Benjamin Linus brainwashed Alex into thinking that he was her daddy, but then again she wouldn't remember he mom (Rousso) because she was taken when she was very little.

I guess she just grew up thinking Ben was her dad. DUH!

We won't know for certain about Alex until we see flashbacks for either Danielle or Ben, assuming one or both of them are her parents. I'm glad to see the possibility of Danielle lying had been raised. The fact that Alex is called by the same name that Danielle calls her daughter is interesting (I tend to think it likely Alex is her daughter).

We do know Danielle's message had been broadcasting for 16 years. Question: how old does Alex appear to be?

I posted something on this subject as well. See my post WHO's ALEX's Daddy?

I definitely think the situation is that Ben raised Alex, and he probably does love her as a daughter. Remember, he did ask for her as he was going under for surgery. Ben couldn't have been a part of Rousseau's team, unless a) they were really good actors when Danielle caught him in the net, or b) she is crazy enough not to remember him. I don't think Alex has any clue Danielle even exists.

(please forgive if this has already been stated) I agree that Alex has no idea that Danielle exists, which is why she cannot go to the other island with Karl.....or is it that she knows Danielle is more than a lil nutty and "daddy" has restricted her from ever seeing her crazy mom again....either way, she's not leaving that island : )
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the timing doesn't make sense though - Rousseu says she killed everyone - Alex is supposed to be Rousseu's child, but now she is also Ben's who is 16(?) and Juliet has only been on the island for 3(?) years.

I am guessing that Rousseu lost her child due to Ethan's bad science around the same time that Ben became pregnant with Alex. But again, I am stuck with the 3 years thing with Juliet.


oooh, flashback of pregnant Ben....can't wait!

oooh, flashback of pregnant Ben....can't wait!

Seriously, if they ever even think about the possibility of speculating about going down that road, I'm outta here. :mad:

I don't blame you Leyosura!!! That would be a bit over the top don't you think?!!! Okay severely over the top! I am also one that doesn't really believe that Ben is Alex's father. I have thought about ways that he could be her father though, the only one is that maybe somehow Danielle had to go to a fertility clinic and got artificially inseminated by Ben! this is a little out there, but perhaps they knew that Danielle would end up on the island and that they would be able to kidnap the child. I believe Dharma can do anything. Now that said, I don't really believe that's what happened!!
However I really don't believe that Danielle knew Ben at all so, this theory is the only way in my eyes that they could both be the biological parents.

I'm afraid I'm going with the simplest explanation which is that Alex was raised by Ben after being taken from Rousseau as a baby. So she is biologically Danielle's child, but not Ben's.

But what I don't understand is why they didn't change her name. It would seem the logical thing to do. A week-old baby isn't going to know any different, and it would make sense just in case Alex and Danielle ever meet - and let's face it, there's only two small islands, so there's a pretty good chance that sooner or later that would happen.

I totally agree, that's what I've thought from the beginning. That Alex was taken from Danielle and raised by Ben and she perhaps doesn't even know that she has a mother and that she's alive.
About the name, I don't think it really makes a difference. If Danielle would ever meet her, I think she would know it was her daughter, on a maternal instinct, a name wouldn't mean much.

I think Ben being the 'father' of Alex is another reference to "The Wizard Of Oz", in the musical 'Wicked' (the tale of Elphaba, the Wicked Witch Of The West) there is a line:
OZ: All I ever wanted was a family of my own
ELPHABA: So you lied to them
I see Ben assuming the role of Alex's father.

Actually, I don't think that it's ever been confirmed that Alex's last name even is Rosseau's. Danielle's daughter may even be a different Alex altogether (it is a pretty popular name after all).

Actually, I don't think that it's ever been confirmed that Alex's last name even is Rosseau's. Danielle's daughter may even be a different Alex altogether (it is a pretty popular name after all).

I admit it's possible. But TPTB have been implying that she is Danielle's daughter since S2, and - despite the way they enjoy turning the tables on us - I doubt they would persist with the implication in this way if that wasn't the case.

Alex is Bens and Juliet's child. She is less than 3 years old. Juliet underwent "the treatment" and Alex underwent "another treatment".

Alex is only thing that actually matters to Ben, she is the key to the mystery, and the mission for the others' whole island trip. When she reaches certain age she will break the mold.

70 year old womb vs. 28 year old womb = accelerated growth

I'm afraid I'm going with the simplest explanation which is that Alex was raised by Ben after being taken from Rousseau as a baby. So she is biologically Danielle's child, but not Ben's.

Yes, me too. I've said before that I don't understand why the plot has to be tortuously twisted in order to have it make sense that Alex is the biological daughter of Ben and Danielle. I think Alex being kidnapped and raised by Ben is a good enough story.

But what I don't understand is why they didn't change her name. It would seem the logical thing to do. A week-old baby isn't going to know any different, and it would make sense just in case Alex and Danielle ever meet - and let's face it, there's only two small islands, so there's a pretty good chance that sooner or later that would happen.

I don't understand this either. That's what makes me suspicious that Alex is actually Danielle's daughter. But I suppose it could just as easily be a story device. There's dramatic irony in the audience knowing that Alex is still alive and that her mother is desperately looking for her.

So, can we expect an episode where they traumatize Alex by telling her she's adopted?

I don't understand this either. That's what makes me suspicious that Alex is actually Danielle's daughter. But I suppose it could just as easily be a story device. There's dramatic irony in the audience knowing that Alex is still alive and that her mother is desperately looking for her.

Yes, it makes sense that TPTB just wanted to make it obvious to the audience.

So, can we expect an episode where they traumatize Alex by telling her she's adopted?

I don't think anyone is going to tell her. I think it's much more likely that she and Danielle will end up together somehow, and the story will come out.

Much more traumatic.

I don't think anyone is going to tell her. I think it's much more likely that she and Danielle will end up together somehow, and the story will come out.

Much more traumatic.

Oh yes, they wouldn't break it to her gently.
It's far more dramatic to leave the poor girl traumatised.
Poor Alex. :rolleyes:

I think that maybe Danielle and Ben do know eachother. I dont know whether or not she thinks he is the father or even has alex.

But when she trapped him in the woods. That had to be a setup. I can't think of a reason why Ben would be wandering the jungle in search of something..isn't that what he has danny for.

I think maybe he maybe gave some type of promise to Danielle about Alex if she agreed to help Him infiltrate the losties camp. There must have been something in it for her.

Otherwise, from what I have seen so far, she would have had no reason to go get sayid. She would have just killed Ben if she thought he was just an other and she didnt know him(remember when she shot at Hurley for no reason, he wasn't even a threat).

Good point. That was a little strange that she let him live.

I thought it was pretty straightforward.
Danielle is Alex's mother. Alex does not know of Danielle. Ben is not Alex's biological dad, and she knows this, but he brought her up so she thinks of him as a dad.
She referered to him as "Ben" and not dad in "I do". If she thought Ben was her dad, wouldn't she just say "dad"?

Robert is Alex's biological father.

End of the story.

LOL! the more I read the more I keep seeing 10 years form now whatching I (heart) the 2000's on VH1 and the subject of Lost coming up and some B list comedian saying... " Remember they crashed on the island and they was a crazy smoke monster but it ended up being ---- and then we found out the ---- guy was in charge of the ------- and the leader ended up being ---- from another -------- and they where being studdied by some --------- to do ------ for --- and their was ----- with the children----" man that show was crazy" LOL!

LOL! the more I read the more I keep seeing 10 years form now whatching I (heart) the 2000's on VH1 and the subject of Lost coming up and some B list comedian saying... " Remember they crashed on the island and they was a crazy smoke monster but it ended up being ---- and then we found out the ---- guy was in charge of the ------- and the leader ended up being ---- from another -------- and they where being studdied by some --------- to do ------ for --- and their was ----- with the children----" man that show was crazy" LOL! lol, good one:biggrin:

Ben is not Alex's biological dad, and she knows this, but he brought her up so she thinks of him as a dad.
She referered to him as "Ben" and not dad in "I do". If she thought Ben was her dad, wouldn't she just say "dad"?

Haven't you ever seen a teenager refer to one of her parents' by his or her first name? I'm pretty sure she doesn't know that she's not really his daughter.

Haven't you ever seen a teenager refer to one of her parents' by his or her first name? I'm pretty sure she doesn't know that she's not really his daughter.

Nah. Kids who call their parents by a given name usually stick to it. It's been bandied around that Ben probably isn't the boss, so it's a logical assumption that Alex's 'dad' isn't necessarily Ben, and could be someone we haven't been introduced to yet. It could be Jacob, or even Danielle's infected 'dead' husband Robert. Remember, Danielle is missing a few sandwiches from her picnic.

Nah. Kids who call their parents by a given name usually stick to it. It's been bandied around that Ben probably isn't the boss, so it's a logical assumption that Alex's 'dad' isn't necessarily Ben, and could be someone we haven't been introduced to yet. It could be Jacob, or even Danielle's infected 'dead' husband Robert. Remember, Danielle is missing a few sandwiches from her picnic.

Well, all my friends went back to "mom" and "dad" eventually during our adolescent years, but I admit that this is not necessarily an accurate cross section of teenagers.

And I'm not sure how it logically follows that just because Ben isn't the boss, he isn't Alex's father? Alex says to Aldo "call my dad," and Aldo calls to ask for Ben. Ben asks for Alex before his surgery. Juliet says that Alex needs to be there when her father wakes up. Maybe Ben is indeed not her father (adopted or otherwise), but right now I see only things to suggest that he is, and none to suggest that it's someone else.

Alex says to Aldo "call my dad," and Aldo calls to ask for Ben. Ben asks for Alex before his surgery. Juliet says that Alex needs to be there when her father wakes up. Maybe Ben is indeed not her father (adopted or otherwise), but right now I see only things to suggest that he is, and none to suggest that it's someone else.

I agree. I think TPTB are making it pretty clear that Alex knows Ben as her dad. I don't think there's any more to it than that.

It doesn't always have to be complicated. ;)

here's what I'm wondering, why do Ben and Rousseau know her as Alex? how old was she when she was taken? it had to be at an age when she knew her name was alex, in order to let ben know.

Remember, Danielle is missing a few sandwiches from her picnic.
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That's a good one, original spacehermit! Worthy dialogue for James, I'd say!


Alex may know Ben as her dad. But he ISN'T her (biological) dad. How's that?

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That's a good one, original spacehermit! Worthy dialogue for James, I'd say!


Alex may know Ben as her dad. But he ISN'T her (biological) dad. How's that?

...especially if her biological mother and adoptive father both know her as Alex.. so she was taken during the time of development when you can speak and respond to people (to tell her name to the others), but haven't fully achieved object permanence (unless she remembers mommy)... isn't that right? i don't know much about cjhild development...

Well it stands to reason that the Others were watching Rousseau & co, in the same way that they have been watching the Losties. It wouldn't be that difficult to find out the child's name.

Nah. Kids who call their parents by a given name usually stick to it. It's been bandied around that Ben probably isn't the boss, so it's a logical assumption that Alex's 'dad' isn't necessarily Ben, and could be someone we haven't been introduced to yet. It could be Jacob, or even Danielle's infected 'dead' husband Robert. Remember, Danielle is missing a few sandwiches from her picnic.

I really, really, really, really don't think when the Others refer to Alex's dad that they mean someone else besides Ben. Why would Ben ask Juliet if Alex asked about him before going into surgery? Clearly there are a hundred reasons you could come up with to answer that. But if the main link is not because he is her dad, then I'd be more than surprised and upset and angry that they would try to trick us over something so trivial as "who's the daddy."

...especially if her biological mother and adoptive father both know her as Alex.. so she was taken during the time of development when you can speak and respond to people (to tell her name to the others), but haven't fully achieved object permanence (unless she remembers mommy)... isn't that right? i don't know much about cjhild development...

Well, Danielle says that Alex was taken one week after her birth, so unless she's lying (always a possibility), I don't think so.

Well it stands to reason that the Others were watching Rousseau & co, in the same way that they have been watching the Losties. It wouldn't be that difficult to find out the child's name.

Yep, that's what I figure.

*Original Spacehermit decides to sit on the fence*

Oh, and also a quite clear piece of evidence that Ben is Alex's dad (as opposed to someone else - Jacob, etc), is when Juliet tells Alex that she has to stay, instead of leaving on the boat. She says "We both know your father, and the only way he'll let Karl live is if you're here when he wakes up." Unless Juliet knows that Alex's dad is a mid-afternoon napper, then her "dad" is unconscious Ben.

this thought crossed my mind to that ben could be her real father. i don't think so tho cos remeber rosseau killing her entire team as well as Robert?? i think alex's was possibly raised to believe that ben was her father

this thought crossed my mind to that ben could be her real father. i don't think so tho cos remeber rosseau killing her entire team as well as Robert?? i think alex's was possibly raised to believe that ben was her father

I think it's fairly clear that she was.


You have to think about the context in which Alex was taken from her mother. Danielle had just murdered Alex's father and all the other members of her team. If that happened in the real world the mother would most likely be put in a prison/psychiatric hospital and authorities would be given custody of the child.

In the absence of those sort of resources, the Others have done the only thing they could do for Alex in the interests of her welfare. So Ben adopted her and raised her as his own child in isolation from Danielle.

If the Others truly believed that Danielle was dangerously insane - and who wouldn't under those circumstances - then they were doing the kindest thing that they could for the child.

I think it's fairly clear that she was.

then they were doing the kindest thing that they could for the child.

Probably just one of the many "justifications" they use to rationalize why their stealing children is a good thing.

I think it's fairly clear that she was.


You have to think about the context in which Alex was taken from her mother. Danielle had just murdered Alex's father and all the other members of her team. If that happened in the real world the mother would most likely be put in a prison/psychiatric hospital and authorities would be given custody of the child.

In the absence of those sort of resources, the Others have done the only thing they could do for Alex in the interests of her welfare. So Ben adopted her and raised her as his own child in isolation from Danielle.

If the Others truly believed that Danielle was dangerously insane - and who wouldn't under those circumstances - then they were doing the kindest thing that they could for the child.


There just jusifying stealing children and your making the others sound like there good people. dont forget that they are still savages