I really hate to bring this up... but one of the first major teases coming into this episode was EW.com's Jeff Jensen saying that an Other would say how long he or she had been on the Island and if you worked backwards you'd very nearly get a major world event.

If I'm remembering it correctly, did Juliet say she's been on the Island for three years, two months and twenty-something days? Did she go to the Island around 9/11? And if so what is the significance?

So according to Juliet's figures, "3 years, 2 months and 28 days," she's been on the island since around the time of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Anyone have any thoughts on that?

That makes sense to me. I always thought it was funny how when the hatch timer reset to 108:00, several times throughout S2, you'd briefly see 911 as the last three numbers just before they flipped back to 108:00.

Yeah, I was thinking about that too. It does seem to make sense mathematically, although I can't understand the point right now. I mean, wasn't the death of Edmund enough to drive her to Mittelos?

Yes it was 3 years, 2 months 28 days. It reminds of the interview with Darlton and JJ at the beginning of S3 where they talked about the influence of 9/11 on Lost

Well, if it was 9/11, as many of us guessed from the spoiler, then *possibly* the connection is that the flight to "Portland" was re-routed mid-flight, due to "terror threats" and they ended up at the island?
My question is though.... Portland, OR ain't nowhere near the South Pacific.... I mean, that would be some *major* mid-flight re-routing, you know?
Or did they just tell her where she was really going before they left? I couldn't tell from that last FB scene if they opened up to her, or if they just continued to shroud the truth in mysteries and/or lies.
Maybe they told her the truth, but when she got to the island she was told that she actually could not leave. *shrug*

Didn't the guy with Ethan say that they weren't actually going to Portland, where they work is far from portland. I got the impression that they told Juliet beforehand that she was going somewhere else.

9 + 11 + 01 = 23

I do not think Juliet's crash was intended to fall on 9-11-04 purposely though.

Interesting observation...

I wonder if Ben has allowed her any knowledge of events in the outside world (ala the way he allowed Jack to see that the Red Sox won the Series).

Obviously, she would be very interested in the outcome of her sister's pregnancy and overall health.

Actually, I'm pretty concerned about the outcome of that pregnancy and her sister's well being, after Juliet became involved in with Ethan & Co... :fear3:

Wow.. I just didn't think it was going to be 9'11. I mean I saw the numbers flash, the spoiler, but just thought they were messing... I was looking for some "catastrophic" thing that may have happened in the world - but something that we never knew about - sort of like "while you were sleeping the world nearly came to an end but we stopped it before it could happen"

My take on what e said about it "not exactly in Portland" was that the Mother Company is based out of Portland, but the Private Island is somewhere in the Pacific. He said that the company was privately funded and that meant "freedom". That's how I thought this was going to play out. Either Government or Private company.

So...Mittelos is trying to create a utopia because of 9-11 or was Juliet pushed to her decision because of 9-11? Or...would Mittelos be the "terrorists" in this story?

remember the Tsunami?
December 26, 2004.
Kinda crazy how it happens in real life around the same time the losties detonate the hatch on the show.
Call me crazy.. but it matches up.

remember the Tsunami?
December 26, 2004.
Kinda crazy how it happens in real life around the same time the losties detonate the hatch on the show.
Call me crazy.. but it matches up.


Lol well there's the definitive proof that TPTB have planned this all along :D

remember the Tsunami?
December 26, 2004.
Kinda crazy how it happens in real life around the same time the losties detonate the hatch on the show.
Call me crazy.. but it matches up.


Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude..............:hide:

According to this site: http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=9&d1=11&y1=2001&m2=12&d2=3&y2=2004 it is 3 years, two months, 22 days, excluding the end date, between the two dates (see the Lostpedia here http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline:December_2004 to see the date Juliet says this on) so she would have gotten to the island a week beforehand. Interesting.

... just something to think about.

What could have happened was she was still on the fence about going to the Island, then 9/11 happened and with DHARMA's mission to save the world she decided she'd go to the Island and do something to help save mankind. Then of course she got there and was soon under the heel of Ben.

My guess is that it would have prevented her from leaving for a while if she had second thoughts and wanted to go back home. All flights were grounded and with the increased secruity, it would have been nearly impossible for her to back out.

3 years, 2 months and 28 days...

28-3-2 = 23

I'm just wondering how this might connect to Adrift, and those scenes in Michael's lawyer's office. In some of the frames you could see the twin towers through the office windows, and in some they just weren't there.

Ooooh...perhaps Ethan & Co. (aka Ben) took advantage of the events of 9/11 to explain to Juliet why it was necessary to remain on the Island, (and have exclusive access to her fertility expertise).

Over time she has figured out that she has been manipulated, hence her comment in the Book Club about "thinking that free will still exists..." and the obvious tension between her and Ben.

I'd like to know exactly what Tom meant when he told Jack..."they have a history". I feel certain that this is a loaded statement.

Dang, they merged threads... okay, so above I have a post about the math involved as to what date, exactly, Juliet arrived on the island (about a week before 9/11).

Also, shootfire, I think that's a great observation. Do we have any idea about what dates that lawyer's visit was?

Yup, about September 5, 2001, if Lostpedia is correct that Not in Portalnd takes place December 3, 2004.

Dang, they merged threads... okay, so above I have a post about the math involved as to what date, exactly, Juliet arrived on the island (about a week before 9/11).

Also, shootfire, I think that's a great observation. Do we have any idea about what dates that lawyer's visit was?

That is the odd thing. Walt was 10 years old on the island. Now that I've done the caclulations, the meeting should have taken place when Walt was about 3 years old. It is all very odd, but there are a lot of odd things with the timeline for Michael and Walt so...:shrug:

3 years, 2 months and 28 days...

28-3-2 = 23

I was wondering how the numbers fit into that sentence :D

I'm not entirely sold that the proximity of Juliet's arrival (according to our current understanding of the rate of time on the island) has that much to do with 9/11. It may have just been the person passing the spoiler along making that connection themselves, not necessarily TPTB.

But still interestingly enough:

September 5, 2001
7 / 5/ 2001

7+5+2+0+0+1=15

Another one of the numbers...

I'm not entirely sold that the proximity of Juliet's arrival (according to our current understanding of the rate of time on the island) has that much to do with 9/11. It may have just been the person passing the spoiler along making that connection themselves, not necessarily TPTB.

But still interestingly enough:

September 5, 2001
7 / 5/ 2001

7+5+2+0+0+1=15

Another one of the numbers...


Hm. I don't get this. September is the 9th month, no? So

September 5, 2001
9 - 5 - 2001
9 plus 5 plus 2 plus 0 plus 0 plus 1 = 17

right? or is it just too late to do math? ;D

9 + 11 + 01 = 23Also this? How is that computing?

9 + 11 + 01 = 21 right?

Seriously, kids, don't mess with my brain past midnight! :)

I think the fact that the dates work out taht Juliet would have come to the island on 9/11 may be a suttle hint that time has in deed changed since the hatch implosion.

In the US we all know that all flights were grounded that day. So she she should not have been able to get into the air on that day. I think this may be a clue that time no longer matches up with island time. It may show that now trying to count backwards from her time on the island to figure out her date of arrival is no longer something we can do accurately.

I know there could be some holes in this idea. Maybe she was out of US air space before the planes were grounded. I guess that could be possible. However, I still think it may be meant as a hint to time not matching up any longer.

Thoughts?

It doesn't match with september 11th. remember, we've now been on the island for roughly 70 days, which is more than three months. which means she arrived sometime in december.

how about this:

they used 9/11 to make it seem like she died in NY on that day so they can effectively keep her prisoner on the island without anyone wondering where she went.

if her family thinks she died in NY, no one is going to bother come looking for her.

that's the only connection i can think of.

According to the Lost Wiki (http://tviv.org/Lost/Timeline_3), the date of this episode would be December 3, 2004 (assuming no time distortion). 3 years, 2 months 28 days before that date is September 5, 2001, a full week before the 9/11 attacks.

I don't think her arrival at the island is tied to 9/11. I do think it is tied to Desmond's arrival at the island, however.

All of this reeks of a creation of a utopian society. If 9/11, or the tsunami, were muses for LOST, then one can see how the Hanso Foundation, or whatever rogue company Mittelos deals with, is fearful that we are destorying the planet. Feeling that the world may soon be coming to an end(Valenzetti Equation), they are attempting to create some form of society that may survive whatever catastrophic event(s) that destroy earth.

I like this theory and it has a lot of room to work through. However, much like the bad math pointed out in a previous post - the Tsunami would have no relevance either since they occurred at the end of December 2004. Something of relevance however is the Red Sox World Series, which I did not see mentioned in a prior post. The Red Sox won in October 2004, which would put Jack being capture just after the World Series was completed.

In a weird way, perhaps Ben was trying to be-friend Jack by showing him something that he would want to see, however given the curse it was hard for Jack to believe, so I don't fault him.

I do think that 9/11/01 has something to do with Juliet's story, but exactly what we have no information yet to help us.

I don't think her arrival at the island is tied to 9/11. I do think it is tied to Desmond's arrival at the island, however.

Yes, I think it's more likely to be tied in to Desmond's arrival.

Maybe when Juilet (& Ethan) were brought to the island, Desmond's boat somehow got drawn in too?

It seems to me that the purpose of Juliet mentioning the date is more to establish (or confirm) a timeline, having nothing to do with the 9/11 events. But most probably it has something to do with Desmond's arrival, like they had to disconnect whatever protects the island (it must be huge) from curious eyes and Demsond was nearby..,.

The Red Sox won in October 2004, which would put Jack being capture just after the World Series was completed.
According to the WIki I cited above, Jack/Kate/Sawyer were captured on November 27, 2004. Boston won the World Series on October 28, 2004. So that timeline works just fine.

In a weird way, perhaps Ben was trying to be-friend Jack by showing him something that he would want to see, however given the curse it was hard for Jack to believe, so I don't fault him.
Not befriend him, so mush as tantalize him with promise of reaching home. But I think Ben's surprise that Jack couldn't believe that Boston actually won demonstrated how Ben being raised on the island gave him no perspective. I've met many a foreigner who is bewildered when people talked about the Red Sox Curse.

Yes, I think it's more likely to be tied in to Desmond's arrival.

Maybe when Juilet (& Ethan) were brought to the island, Desmond's boat somehow got drawn in too?

I think this is likely, but we also have to consider that Widmore probably wanted Des on the island to keep him away from Pen. Perhaps it was masterfully arranged so that Des' and Juliette's arrival on the island occured on the same date.

It doesn't have to be all that masterful. Des has GPS on his boat. Widmore watches the boat. Juliet's sitting in a hotel in Portland, while her new employer "arranges" a flight. When Des gets close to the island, Juliet gets the call: "get the airport. Your flight leaves in an hour."

Done and done.

I thought Juliet was saying how long she'd been there -- down to the exact day -- to emphasize how much she wants to leave... She's even counted the days.

If I'm not mistaken, hasn't Desmond made a broader statement of how long he has been on the island? I thought somewhere he mentioned how he had been there pushing the button for 2 years or so? Also, Desmond's boat ended up crashing because of a really bad storm right? Dharma was said to be conducting "weather control" experiments in the proximity of the island. Perhaps one of the storms they "accidentally" created caused Desmond's boat to crash along with Juliet's plane? that might be kind of out there...but hell, I'll run with it for a bit :)

If I'm not mistaken, hasn't Desmond made a broader statement of how long he has been on the island? I thought somewhere he mentioned how he had been there pushing the button for 2 years or so? Also, Desmond's boat ended up crashing because of a really bad storm right? Dharma was said to be conducting "weather control" experiments in the proximity of the island. Perhaps one of the storms they "accidentally" created caused Desmond's boat to crash along with Juliet's plane? that might be kind of out there...but hell, I'll run with it for a bit :)


Or maybe they were on the same boat? I know Im taking it wayyyy out there now, but we all just assume that Juliette came to the island by plane. Either that, or considering all this time/space bending and what-not, she must have teleported. But I think Ill stick with my far-fetched idea of Desmond and Juliette being on the same boat.

9 + 11 + 01 = 23

I do not think Juliet's crash was intended to fall on 9-11-04 purposely though.


Umm annie.. not to be rude but i think you should check your arithmatic hun.:rolleyes:

remember the Tsunami?
December 26, 2004.
Kinda crazy how it happens in real life around the same time the losties detonate the hatch on the show.
Call me crazy.. but it matches up.

Island time, it's December 3rd (I do and Not in Portland).
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Timeline:December_2004
The Tsunami has yet to happen. Sorry to be the one who ruins a nice theory.
100%
we've now been on the island for roughly 70 days, which is more than three months.
I am sorry what did you say, "70 days", how many months? "more than three months" Ha? Seriousely people.
100%
I thought Juliet was saying how long she'd been there -- down to the exact day -- to emphasize how much she wants to leave... She's even counted the days.
I am with you on that! Just stressing the fact she is a prisoner, just like Jack is, on this Island.

...
In the US we all know that all flights were grounded that day. So she she should not have been able to get into the air on that day. ...

Thoughts?

a whole lot of flights got into the air that day. I knew two people who flew on 9/11.

Don

I think this is likely, but we also have to consider that Widmore probably wanted Des on the island to keep him away from Pen. Perhaps it was masterfully arranged so that Des' and Juliette's arrival on the island occured on the same date.

That's a possibility too.

My idea is that Mittelos is privately funded by the Hanso Foundation. Mittelos is working with Dharma, possibly used as a front after Dharma was abandoned. Juliet was hired by them, possibly under the illusion that Mittelos is on an island, but one only a few hours away from Portland. Realizing that she is nowhere near Portland, she lands on our island. She wants to leave. The 9/11 attacks occur, Ben uses this as evidence to stay. Juliet agrees. However, she wants to leave so badly, she counts the days.