I must have missed this part..it probably happened in the video that they were brainwashing the kid with

What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in (the Feb. 7 episode), one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.[/

Lost Time

the anagram? IMO

MITTELOS

Ah, that is the anagram. They are referring to time travel of some sort, or something having to do with the 4th dimension (time, as referenced by the guard reading A Brief History of Time). But what are the other Easter eggs? Something in the brainwashing video?

MITTELOS for sure, especially since they mention it via dialogue.

Paraphrased:

Juliet: Mittelos?
Dude: It's a new name bla bla bla.

The fact that they mentioned it makes me certain that it means something (much like Apollo bars and the unknown musical artist that is MENTIONED (not just seen) in the hatch and in Locke's flashback).

MITTELOS for sure, especially since they mention it via dialogue.

Paraphrased:

Juliet: Mittelos?
Dude: It's a new name bla bla bla.

The fact that they mentioned it makes me certain that it means something (much like Apollo bars and the unknown musical artist that is MENTIONED (not just seen) in the hatch and in Locke's flashback).

Musical artist? I missed that one... care to enlighten me?

Anyway, I agree, it's Lost Time. Just what that implies, I don't know... haven't come up with anything I like yet.

i must have missed that part, the sound was low....care to explain mittelo?

Musical artist? I missed that one... care to enlighten me?

Anyway, I agree, it's Lost Time. Just what that implies, I don't know... haven't come up with anything I like yet.

I'm guessing the musical artist that they are talking about is the late great Geronimo Jackson, whose significance has yet to be revealed.

i must have missed that part, the sound was low....care to explain mittelo?

Mittelos apparently appeared in the brainwashing segment, which is an anagram for "lost time". How this relates to the skeletons found in the caves in season 1, I have no idea.

-The one Other who Kate, Sawyer, and Alex tricked was reading "A Brief History of Time" if I remember correctly.

-It was mentioned that in one of the season one deleted scenes, Danielle says that her science team was "studying time".

I'm guessing the musical artist that they are talking about is the late great Geronimo Jackson, whose significance has yet to be revealed.

Oh yeah, ok. And then that came up with that kid that Locke was involved with who turned out to be a police officer, etc. K now I get it. :p

Another possible Easter Egg, if you want to look at it that way, that could be related to "lost time", is when Juliet misjudges the age of the patient in the x-ray. She thinks it's a 76-year-old, and in reality, they're 26.

Add that to the book, the anagram, and the skeletons, and it seems clear that they want us to think that time passes differently on the island than it does in the regular world. I don't know if that means you age slower or faster, but the x-ray would only make sense if time were to pass quicker on the island.

So, the castaways have been there for 60 some days by their estimates. Any ideas on how much actual time has gone by??

Wasn't there something odd about the Italian guys xrays, the one Jack lost on the table.
Also something about Claires sonogram not fitting time wise?

Another possible Easter Egg, if you want to look at it that way, that could be related to "lost time", is when Juliet misjudges the age of the patient in the x-ray. She thinks it's a 76-year-old, and in reality, they're 26.

Add that to the book, the anagram, and the skeletons, and it seems clear that they want us to think that time passes differently on the island than it does in the regular world. I don't know if that means you age slower or faster, but the x-ray would only make sense if time were to pass quicker on the island.

So, the castaways have been there for 60 some days by their estimates. Any ideas on how much actual time has gone by??

3 years?

Add that to the book, the anagram, and the skeletons, and it seems clear that they want us to think that time passes differently on the island than it does in the regular world. I don't know if that means you age slower or faster, but the x-ray would only make sense if time were to pass quicker on the island.
In Season 1 we were running with all kinds of crazy theories and TPTB said unequivocably then that "there are no dinosaurs, no aliens, and no time travel" so it would tick me off to no end if time acted differently on the island. Why would you point out THREE theories to discredit them but then later infer that there actually may be some connection to one of them.

Time travel is a different concept I suppose, but similar enough that I would be upset if they discredited it 3 years ago and I took it off my radar, only to find out that time glitches are a factor on the LOST island. :mad:

But then again, we were told early in Season 1 "there are NO unintentional props" and then later in Season 2 when the hatch kept rearranging itself they backtracked and said they couldn't possibly control every prop on the set. Grrrr .... :disgust:

Mittlos also reminded me of Mittlewerk...what are your thoughts on a connection between the two (it seems pretty logical)?

So, I donno if anyone else noticed this but in the 6th episode as "picket" goes out to kill sawyer he says "ben just put his life in one of the hands of them, plus, shepard (jack) wasn't even on JACOB's List!!!!" this shows that there is something bigger controlling the others, I think. And that ben has power to step in and add things in to the will of whoever jacob is.
THEN! in the 7th episode, in the room where alex's boyfriend is being tortured, the phrase "God loves you as he loved jacob" appears on the screen. Insane, but another easter egg!

I heard it was an anagram and a black bag...so if MITTELOS was the anagram then donde esta el bolso negro? :79:



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Mittlos also reminded me of Mittlewerk...what are your thoughts on a connection between the two (it seems pretty logical)?

That clicked into my head at first, too...

In Season 1 we were running with all kinds of crazy theories and TPTB said unequivocably then that "there are no dinosaurs, no aliens, and no time travel" so it would tick me off to no end if time acted differently on the island. Why would you point out THREE theories to discredit them but then later infer that there actually may be some connection to one of them.

Time acting differently and time travel can be interpreted as two different things.

And I believe the no unintentional props quote still applies because not everything is a prop. The copy of Brief History of Time is important but the rifle the reader of the book was holding wasn't.

Time acting differently and time travel can be interpreted as two different things.

And I believe the no unintentional props quote still applies because not everything is a prop. The copy of Brief History of Time is important but the rifle the reader of the book was holding wasn't.

You honestly never know with LOST!

Time acting differently and time travel can be interpreted as two different things.

And I believe the no unintentional props quote still applies because not everything is a prop. The copy of Brief History of Time is important but the rifle the reader of the book was holding wasn't.

I agree. The idea that time is relative and can actually be slower or faster in one point in space relative to some other point is considered real science while time travel is not.

Props have been an issue in the past and will continue to be problematic- especially to us fanatics out here on the Fuselage! :biggrin:

Time travel? Aw come on.

I agree. The idea that time is relative and can actually be slower or faster in one point in space relative to some other point is considered real science while time travel is not.
IIRC, that is right from Hawking's "A Brief History of Time." The curvature of time-space and black holes is about all I remember, though. And Einstein's relativity predicts differing perceptions of time based on position in space and relative speed or acceleration. There's definitely a scientific background for some sort of time anomaly, which I don't think would violate their "no time travel" statement, IMO.

Add that to the book, the anagram, and the skeletons, and it seems clear that they want us to think that time passes differently on the island than it does in the regular world. I don't know if that means you age slower or faster, but the x-ray would only make sense if time were to pass quicker on the island.

This would explain why Walt was so much taller in "3 Minutes" than he was at the end of Season 1. With the adults it's less noticeable. But if the time differential is at a ratio of approximately 12:1, the inevitable aging of the actors can be accounted for/concealed by the time-warping effect of the island.

Maybe its not so much a time travel reference as it is just a simple statement.
Everyone on the island that we have met and know anything about, with the possible exception of Ben, has lost something. Friends, family, loved ones of some kind.
All of it is individual to that particular person.
The only thing that they've all lost since becoming "stranded" on the island that is
the same as the next person is time.
I really honestly hope they don't go the time travel route. That would take way too much back peddaling and thinking and.........*sigh*......it would just be cheesy.
Please please please........no Quantum Leap, Bill and Ted time travel stuff. :rolleyes:

What also seems to be forgotten in all of this discussion is that we HAVE glimpsed the outside world that correlates w/ the Present timeline on the island and it didn't seem to be taking place in the distant (or even not-too-distant) future. (W/ the magnetic anomaly at the end of Season 2). But then again who knows? It certainly imbues the scene from Season 2 where Hurley and Sayid pick up the radio broadcast w/ more significance.

Mittelos = "Time Slot" as in, LOST is now at a new time slot on Wednesday nights.

Mittelos = "Time Slot" & "Lost Time" and also Time Lost.

And time travel and time continuim are different. There's an excellent article at EW.com where Carlton and Damon talk a little about the time thing. Another part of the article was quoted in the first post of this thread.

To me, time travel involves a deliberate action-- like two guys jumping in a DeLorean and speeding up to 88 miles per hour.

If there are time discrepancies on Lost, such as my personal theory of a time loop that results in two of the Losties becoming Adam and Eve, I don't think it fits under "time travel."

Does anyone remember the Life Extension Project that the Hanso Foundation had listed on their website? This is what I was thinking of when the 76/26 year old womb from the x-ray was mentioned. Could this be what they are talking about with Lost Time? Maybe "Lost Time" is referring to time in a more metaphorical sense as it pertains to life extension. Or maybe they needed to recruit Juliette, because through their research and experiments they found that age acceleration was a side effect of their life extension project activities.

Just thoughts.

I agee that there a clues-a-plenty that something is up with "time". It still bothers me that Ben went so far out of his way to remind Jack what the current date was (right before he was shown the Red Socks winning the WS). Would Jack know what the date was?? maybe it was just to remind us the viewers, or maybe not...

If I recall the quote that dismissed time travel, I thought, had a little wiggle room in it.

In Season 1 we were running with all kinds of crazy theories and TPTB said unequivocably then that "there are no dinosaurs, no aliens, and no time travel" so it would tick me off to no end if time acted differently on the island. Why would you point out THREE theories to discredit them but then later infer that there actually may be some connection to one of them.

Time travel is a different concept I suppose, but similar enough that I would be upset if they discredited it 3 years ago and I took it off my radar, only to find out that time glitches are a factor on the LOST island. :mad:

Distorted time and time travel are two completely different concepts. One is based on the tried and true (yes, there have been experiments) theory of relativity. The other has no tried and true scientific basis. According to relativity, the closer you are traveling to the speed of light, the slower your time moves in relation to time around you. You know, the whole "if you leave earth on a spaceship traveling at the speed of light and come back a year later, everyone you know will be dead" kind of thing. It's real.

But I'm not sure how this would relate exactly. For time to move faster on the island (i.e. Adam and Eve to appear they've been there for many years) the Earth would have to be moving at a much higher speed than it is and the island moving slower. So either they've got their science backwards or relativity has nothing to do with it and this is something different altogether.

Of course, it is obvious that the boundaries of science as we know it have been, from time to time, stretched to the breaking point (and some would argue beyond) in this show. So this may very well be them taking relativity to places it hasn't and never will go in real life.

I think we are overlooking the obvious.

Mittletos is all about the lime...as in "Tost" Lime or Lime "Tost".

Apparently there is some sort of connection with Corona beer and the Others "tossing" their limes away. Yes...the picture is much more clear. Its all about The Beer!!!!

I think we are overlooking the obvious.

Mittletos is all about the lime...as in "Tost" Lime or Lime "Tost".

Apparently there is some sort of connection with Corona beer and the Others "tossing" their limes away. Yes...the picture is much more clear. Its all about The Beer!!!!

Remember the Gilligan's Island episode where they needed citrus (Limes) to keep from dying from Scurvy... Hmmmmm ;)

Juliette says she has been on the island for three some odd years. I lean more towards an aging process problem than a time goes faster/slower problem. She knew exactly how long she had been on the island, which makes me beleive time is still normal. Couple that with smeones previous statements about the artic guy and Penelope relating to the island, and I am pretty sure time isn't going faster.

I agee that there a clues-a-plenty that something is up with "time". It still bothers me that Ben went so far out of his way to remind Jack what the current date was (right before he was shown the Red Socks winning the WS). Would Jack know what the date was?? maybe it was just to remind us the viewers, or maybe not...

If I recall the quote that dismissed time travel, I thought, had a little wiggle room in it.

I'm pretty sure Jack and the Other Losties (except maybe Rose) lost track of time, and it was news to Jack when Ben told him exactly how long they'd been there.

Was Carl going through an aging process then?

I think the Lost Time reference and the x-rays have to do with one of two opposite things:

Either magnatism of the island is causing premature internal aging, i.e. the women's uteris' are aging too quickly and thus they can't have babies and need to steal them.
- This would explain the shots given to Claire, to keep her uteris from aging too much
before the baby was born.

or

They have developed "life extension" or a way to keep people young, but the uteris keeps aging. I.e. Colleen is really 76, but she looks and in other ways is the same as a 26 year old, except that her uteris has aged to 76. They need to find a way to maintain reproductive youth along with the other aspects of life extension.

To me, time travel involves a deliberate action-- like two guys jumping in a DeLorean and speeding up to 88 miles per hour.

If there are time discrepancies on Lost, such as my personal theory of a time loop that results in two of the Losties becoming Adam and Eve, I don't think it fits under "time travel."

I've thought that, too.

Considering that Carlton said the anagram was a clue about Adam and Eve, it sounds like your theory is on the right track.

Do you think Adam and Eve may even be

Jack and Kate

I definitely think that there are time 'anomolies' on the island, which could be why they prefer to stay on their own island, all of which could have been messed up with the hatch implosion. Juliet saying exactly how much time she had been there leads me to believe we have a little math in our future, maybe someone will explain to Jack that every day is 7.5 days or something. There's a reason we know exactly how much time she's been there.

The only hole in that is that Jack just operated on one of 'them' and wouldn't he have noticed odd occurances in Ben's inards like Juliet noticed on the uterus? Even though his response to anestetic was surprising!

I also think it's fairly obvious that Adam and Eve arepeople we know and love. Which is impressive if this has been the plan all along.

BTW: Refreshing to see this show has people all over the world typing the word 'uterus', that really shows the power of television. One word I never imagined myself typing in a message board!

If they are aging faster it would mean time on the island was moving slower than the time in the rest of the world. Exactly how slow would depend on the info Juliette gave Jack. Maybe when they told julliette they needed her for 6 months it was 6 months real world time which is = 3+ years on the island.

Im pretty sure that they have said time is passing normally on the island, however.

If it is passings slower/faster whatever, Adam/Eve cannot be anyone we know. The theory of relativity only allows for different rates of the progression of time. It still cannot go backwards, in loops, etc. Also, in order for time to go slower (not certain about faster)according to the thoery of relativity i think they either have to be going close to the speed of light or near an object of very great mass (think black hole or nuetron star, not an island). If it doesnt squeeze into one of these categories is just as much science fiction as a delorean with a flux capacitor (no i dont think "magnetic forces" qualifies either) Not 100% sure on the specifics other than that.

Mittelos = "Time Slot" as in, LOST is now at a new time slot on Wednesday nights.

good catch

Don
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And time travel and time continuim are different....

Not sure I agree, nor would Einstein.

Don
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Distorted time and time travel are two completely different concepts. One is based on the tried and true (yes, there have been experiments) theory of relativity. The other has no tried and true scientific basis. According to relativity, the closer you are traveling to the speed of light, the slower your time moves in relation to time around you. You know, the whole "if you leave earth on a spaceship traveling at the speed of light and come back a year later, everyone you know will be dead" kind of thing. It's real.

Not only is it real, it's time travel.

Don

All the mittelos anagrams significant ones denoted with *

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MILE TOST
LIME TOTS
LIME TOST
MOTLIEST
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LIMES TOT
MILES TOT
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TILE TOMS
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LITE MOST
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ITEMS LOT
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MITE LOST
MITE SLOT
MITE LOTS
ITEM LOST*
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EMIT LOST
EMIT SLOT
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TIME LOST*
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TOME SLIT
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MOTE LIST
MOTE SLIT
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Interesting discussion! Just thought I'd point out that if the anagram is indeed "Lost Time", and time was actually moving faster on the island, this would help to explain how everyone seems to heal more quickly.

The only thing I can think of to tie this to Adam and Eve is the opposite of healing...that the bodies would have decomposed much faster and thus appear much older than they really are.

The anagram "SMITE LOT" is interesting to me. This episode had many biblical references. The brainwashing room had a line about Jacob (Isreal) and God. Adam and Eve, etc. Lot was the man who went to Sodom and Gomorrah. When leaving his wife was turned into a pillar of salt for looking back at the destruction. Perhaps the anagram means more than one term.

Err, hi, hello etc... been reading here a while now and never felt compelled to post before BUT...

I don't know what all this Adam & Eve talk is about, guess the producers have dropped a hint? But I notice ya'll talking about it in a literal sense, combined with time theories.

So, tell me to shut up, but what if the Adam & Eve ideas relate to a new Adam & Eve, one of a new evolution? That surely makes a hell of a lot more sense in connection with the Hanso experiments?

From "Richard Alpert" you can get "carl death" or "trial death"

I agee that there a clues-a-plenty that something is up with "time". It still bothers me that Ben went so far out of his way to remind Jack what the current date was (right before he was shown the Red Socks winning the WS). Would Jack know what the date was?? maybe it was just to remind us the viewers, or maybe not...
I think the castaways have been keeping track of the time. I would at least try. (Even though none of the Americans appear to have celebrated Thanksgiving.) Ben showed him the Series to show they have a connection to the outside world.

This doesn't disprove the time distortion theory. If Ben wanted to keep that secret, he would have given Jack a clip of something that happened assuming no distortion. So the World Series isn't evidence either way.

So, I donno if anyone else noticed this but in the 6th episode as "picket" goes out to kill sawyer he says "ben just put his life in one of the hands of them, plus, shepard (jack) wasn't even on JACOB's List!!!!" this shows that there is something bigger controlling the others, I think.
I agree. Good catch!

Re: Lost Time

Don't they have blackberry's or Treo's? There were outlets in the hatch. I always keep my charger on me (carryon). Are you telling me they don't have a calendar on somebody's phone.


Maybe the lost time refers to the lost 52 seconds in..oh wait, wrong discussion board.:cool:

I just can't seem to get the statement made by Mrs. Clue to Michael before they release him to free Ben. She tells him that they can't go there. That has always bothered me. Why could Ben go near the Losties camp and the others can't????
Is it the aging process? A premature death? Was Adam and Eve the first casualities of this premature death. Remember they werent even buried, just laid out, and like then everyone left that area, except the ones left in the quaranteed hatches.

This is a biblical reference to "lost time" of about 10 minutes from 2 Kings Chapter 20 from the NASB. I'm not sure what it has to do with Adam and Eve.

8 Now Hezekiah said to Isaiah, "What will be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up to the house of the LORD the third day?" 9 Isaiah said, "This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that He has spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten steps or go back ten steps?"
10 So Hezekiah answered, "It is easy for the shadow to decline ten steps; no, but let the shadow turn backward ten steps."
11 Isaiah the prophet cried to the LORD, and He brought the shadow on the stairway back ten steps by which it had gone down on the stairway of Ahaz.

So, the castaways have been there for 60 some days by their estimates. Any ideas on how much actual time has gone by??Is that baseball game a clue? I mean, if it's a current one you know that in reality it's the third year / season for the show, but on the Island only 60 days have passed.

I just can't seem to get the statement made by Mrs. Clue to Michael before they release him to free Ben. She tells him that they can't go there. That has always bothered me. Why could Ben go near the Losties camp and the others can't????
Actually, Ethan clearly could go there.

I think it's a little more complicated. Here's my theory:
The Others do not control Smoky. In fact, Smoky is hostile to the Others.

When the plane crashed, Ethan was sent to infiltrate the fusies and Goodwin to infiltrate the tailies. Both travelled together to the main island and travelled by land. Goodwin had no problem, but Ethan was stopped by Smoky. (That's why the fusies heard Smoky shortly after escaping.)

Ethan had to find another route. He decided to swim, as Smoky doesn't go in the water.

In my opinion, Smoky protects the fusie's section of beach, or at least did so while the hatch still existed. Don't know if Smoky's parameters have changed.

So when Clue mentions that the Others can't go there, she means they can't do it by any means other than by water. Which means they really can't do it undetected uunless it's a lone infiltrator, like Ethan was.


That's my theory, anyway.

Well I did forget about Ethan's pentration of the losties, and thanks for that... but on further thought after last night's eppy, Ethan was shown as a recruiter, so he might not have been there as long as say Julliet or Pickett or Tom and Mrs Clue.
And yes there seems to be a split of the main group of others and who might just be calling all the shots now, meaning it could be Jabcob. Pehaps Jacob is the true leader, but he cant leave the hatches either because of aging damage done prior to the deaths of Adam and Eve. And Ben's group can't go to the other island either because of prior damage to internal organs. Only those that might have been exposed to the incident in the hatch are limited in their geography, hense the cameras and speakers so they can see and hear what's happening on their islands.

Does this make any sense??? OMG

There's a reason we know exactly how much time she's been there.[/I]

I think one of the reasons we may have been told the exact amount of time she's been on the island is this: if time is operating correctly on and off the island, her arriving 3 years, 2 months, and 22 days prior to that episode puts her arrival on the island at 09-11-01.

I'd toyed around with a theory in my head of Jack and Kate possibly being Adam and Eve, but I rejected it based on the no time travel quote. I still doubt that's who they are, but you never know ;)

I agree. The idea that time is relative and can actually be slower or faster in one point in space relative to some other point is considered real science while time travel is not.

Props have been an issue in the past and will continue to be problematic- especially to us fanatics out here on the Fuselage! :biggrin:

I am wondering whether the explanation to a great deal of the bizarre phenomena on the island(s) has to do with the existence of a powerful cyclotron that might be altering the fabric of space-time (i.e. the reference to Hawking's book).

The cyclotron would also explain the powerful magnetic fields in the original hatch. Of course, now that Locke blew that original hatch up, Ben might have lost his claim to control space-time on the island(s) and is therefore relaxing his control over his people (the Others) and therefore being more agreeable (i.e. letting Juliet leave, allowing Sawyer, Kate and Carl to leave his island, etc.).

Please let me know what you think.

Actually, Ethan clearly could go there.

I think it's a little more complicated. Here's my theory:
The Others do not control Smoky. In fact, Smoky is hostile to the Others.

When the plane crashed, Ethan was sent to infiltrate the fusies and Goodwin to infiltrate the tailies. Both travelled together to the main island and travelled by land. Goodwin had no problem, but Ethan was stopped by Smoky. (That's why the fusies heard Smoky shortly after escaping.)

Ethan had to find another route. He decided to swim, as Smoky doesn't go in the water.

In my opinion, Smoky protects the fusie's section of beach, or at least did so while the hatch still existed. Don't know if Smoky's parameters have changed.

So when Clue mentions that the Others can't go there, she means they can't do it by any means other than by water. Which means they really can't do it undetected uunless it's a lone infiltrator, like Ethan was.


That's my theory, anyway.

I kind of like the Smokey as guard theory, it warms my heart a little that the Losties have an ally in all this. However I don't really think it is true. It killed the captain, and tried to kill Locke (but spared him once, so I'm not sure) However, it really did a number on Mr. Eko.

I can't explain the Others inability to go to the beach or cave, as Ms. Clue said, though.

Well guys, I'm finally BACK!

And glad to be.

I think one of the reasons we may have been told the exact amount of time she's been on the island is this: if time is operating correctly on and off the island, her arriving 3 years, 2 months, and 22 days prior to that episode puts her arrival on the island at 09-11-01.

Actually it was 3 years, 2 months, and 28 days, so thatwould put her arrival at september the fifth 2001.

I'd toyed around with a theory in my head of Jack and Kate possibly being Adam and Eve, but I rejected it based on the no time travel quote. I still doubt that's who they are, but you never know ;)

I absolutely loooooooooooove this theory and i think it would be a really cool twist in the show. Although of course, we prolly wudnt see this until the series finale.

Ah, thanks for the correction, carfreak. I guess I didn't pay close enough attention when I watched it the first time...I'll have to give it another go :)

How 'bout the double Dharma logo that was in that Mittelos frame?

I am wondering whether the explanation to a great deal of the bizarre phenomena on the island(s) has to do with the existence of a powerful cyclotron that might be altering the fabric of space-time (i.e. the reference to Hawking's book).

The cyclotron would also explain the powerful magnetic fields in the original hatch. Of course, now that Locke blew that original hatch up, Ben might have lost his claim to control space-time on the island(s) and is therefore relaxing his control over his people (the Others) and therefore being more agreeable (i.e. letting Juliet leave, allowing Sawyer, Kate and Carl to leave his island, etc.).

Please let me know what you think.

This is a really interesting idea. The idea that an electromagnetic anomoly could generate enough mass to create a curvature of space/time might be possible. The problem is, it would have to exist somewhere other than earth - perhaps a separate dimension - in order to not affect the rest of the world. So then assuming it's in a "snowglobe" how would an inhabited island be able to co-exist with the anomoly without being crushed?

Wonder how Desmond and his apparent and recent gift to see things before they happen, fit into that time business.

Hey any word on the "black bag" easter egg? I have read all of this thread and still it doesn't seem to be found.

To me, time travel involves a deliberate action-- like two guys jumping in a DeLorean and speeding up to 88 miles per hour.
If there are time discrepancies on Lost, such as my personal theory of a time loop that results in two of the Losties becoming Adam and Eve, I don't think it fits under "time travel."

What a wonderful theory :)
I always got some creepies when Jack looks and Kate and says "Adam and Eve, they probably lived here..."

ETA: And um if someone could explain to me why what I just said has been spoilered before I'd really like to know the source of that info, thanks :biggrin:
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Wonder how Desmond and his apparent and recent gift to see things before they happen, fit into that time business.


Yes it's so strange how he seems to be only telling the near-yet-distant future from the previews so far.

What about Adam and Eve being the DeGroots?

Relating time warps, the authors pointed out during a recent interview that they would have been able to justify the growing up of the actor who portrays Walt in the future episodes, they have in minds a precise way to explain this!! (the actor can't look like a child forever) An interesting explanation could be that passing of time on the island is anomalous..maybe outside time goes faster than on the island and Walt will return looking like an adult although only a few months passed on the island...

I kind of like the Smokey as guard theory, it warms my heart a little that the Losties have an ally in all this.
It's not an ally. It's a machine.

It killed the captain, and tried to kill Locke (but spared him once, so I'm not sure) However, it really did a number on Mr. Eko.
All of Smoky's killings happen in a specific area between the hatch/beach and the center of the island. We also know Smoky has some sort of imperfect mind affecting capacity, would would explain Eko seeing his brother, Jack seeing his dad, Hurley seeing his imaginary friend, Kate and Sawyer seeing the white horse, etc.

My guess is that Smoky is malfunctioning. Smoky has some sort of mind-reading attachment designed to discern friend from foe, but it's all discombobulated and now it's trying to discern good from bad under some sort of skewed criteria. So last time it saw Eko, he was good. This last time... quite bad.

The Others? Uniformly bad, according to Smoky.

Heck... what if Smoky had a rudimentary AI. At some point, Dharma tries to shut it down (Perhaps the "event" three years ago was Smoky gaining sentience.) Smoky rebels and redefines its parameters for good and bad. The Others are now all bad. This strands Inman and his colleague in the Hatch, unable to go into the jungle and get back to the Others. Perhaps even isolated from communication with the Others. His colleague kills himself. When Inman finds Desmond on the beach, he is recruited.

Have the creators ruled out anything dealing with extra-dimentional travel, or a Bermuda Triangle-like phenomenon? I just can't get the Black Rock out of my head. It would seem that the Black Rock easily predates the Dharma Initiative. Since the ship is so far inland seems to show this island was paranormal long before Dharma got involved. Perhaps the monitoring station in the arctic is looking for this dimentional break or Bermuda Triangle-esque area and when Desmond blew the hatch somehow the island was visible or the dimetional rift was activated or something along those lines.

This is a biblical reference to "lost time" of about 10 minutes from 2 Kings Chapter 20 from the NASB. I'm not sure what it has to do with Adam and Eve.

8 Now Hezekiah said to Isaiah, "What will be the sign that the LORD will heal me, and that I shall go up to the house of the LORD the third day?" 9 Isaiah said, "This shall be the sign to you from the LORD, that the LORD will do the thing that He has spoken: shall the shadow go forward ten steps or go back ten steps?"
10 So Hezekiah answered, "It is easy for the shadow to decline ten steps; no, but let the shadow turn backward ten steps."
11 Isaiah the prophet cried to the LORD, and He brought the shadow on the stairway back ten steps by which it had gone down on the stairway of Ahaz.

This sounds very much like what Boone kept repeating in Locke's dream "Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs". No clue what the significance would be :undecide:

Please keep in mind that any discussion of upcoming episodes, interviews with the writers that mention key plot points not yet revealed, or discussion about previews need to be spoiler fonted.

I would suggest some of the newer posters read the site rules about this so they can understand better...

And if I can recall...the "Theresa falls up the stairs" line was explained by Boone as his nanny falling down the stairs and breaking her neck when Locke asked him who she was.

Heck... what if Smoky had a rudimentary AI. At some point, Dharma tries to shut it down (Perhaps the "event" three years ago was Smoky gaining sentience.) Smoky rebels and redefines its parameters for good and bad. The Others are now all bad. This strands Inman and his colleague in the Hatch, unable to go into the jungle and get back to the Others. Perhaps even isolated from communication with the Others. His colleague kills himself. When Inman finds Desmond on the beach, he is recruited.


I seem to recall Inman referring to "hostiles" with the perception that this is talking about the "Others". While not certain, it makes sense. After all, Ben planted the seeds that led to the destruction of the hatch. It seemed he knew what he was doing. Since Inman spoke of Dharma as if he were an active (even if grudgingly) member, I'd say Ben and company have revolted. Since Inman's replacement never came, it seems likely that all is not well with Dharma.

Mittelos apparently appeared in the brainwashing segment, which is an anagram for "lost time". How this relates to the skeletons found in the caves in season 1, I have no idea.

-The one Other who Kate, Sawyer, and Alex tricked was reading "A Brief History of Time" if I remember correctly.

-It was mentioned that in one of the season one deleted scenes, Danielle says that her science team was "studying time".

I am truly sorry, but I have been looking at the brainwash scene this whole day, putting washes, delsy and effects over it to see if there is a hidden visual clue. Could you tell me where this 'Mittelos' appears?

And all official deleted scenes about season 1 have been disclosed so far. I do not remember any Danielle scenes regarding her 'mission' sorry. Please back-up your claims.

Can anyone find a picture of the anagram????????????????????????
than u!!!!!!!!!!!

I am truly sorry, but I have been looking at the brainwash scene this whole day, putting washes, delsy and effects over it to see if there is a hidden visual clue. Could you tell me where this 'Mittelos' appears?

And all official deleted scenes about season 1 have been disclosed so far. I do not remember any Danielle scenes regarding her 'mission' sorry. Please back-up your claims.

I think the poster was just a little confused as to where he/she saw Mittelos.

Since you asked about the Danielle scene.... I remembered that I had saved a post that Lucidity made awhile back. He had it spoiler-fonted so I guess I better to the same.......to be safe.


"TV WEEK ask's Lost writer and co-executive producer, David Fury, about some of the wildest theories on the series- and finds out some aren't so wild after all.

Theory: The two skeletons in the cave are Jack and Kate. DF:Who knows what's possible on the island? There was something that was cut from the episode I did in which Sayid was captured by the French woman Rousseau, and tortured. She said she was with a science team, that she had come from a research vessel. There was a line that was cut from an earlier draft where he said, " What were you studying?" and she said "Time." If you think about that, suddenly you say that's Jack and Kate in the cave."

"TV WEEK ask's Lost writer and co-executive producer, David Fury, about some of the wildest theories on the series- and finds out some aren't so wild after all.

Theory: The two skeletons in the cave are Jack and Kate. DF:Who knows what's possible on the island? There was something that was cut from the episode I did in which Sayid was captured by the French woman Rousseau, and tortured. She said she was with a science team, that she had come from a research vessel. There was a line that was cut from an earlier draft where he said, " What were you studying?" and she said "Time." If you think about that, suddenly you say that's Jack and Kate in the cave."

I've had a theory like this for a while now and I think it would be a pretty cool twist.

Wow, I thought I was smart for getting six of those!

Can anyone find a picture of the anagram????????????????????????
than u!!!!!!!!!!!

You got it (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-84026).
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Have the creators ruled out anything dealing with extra-dimentional travel, or a Bermuda Triangle-like phenomenon? I just can't get the Black Rock out of my head. It would seem that the Black Rock easily predates the Dharma Initiative. Since the ship is so far inland seems to show this island was paranormal long before Dharma got involved.

I think there's definitely a Triangle link though it may never be made explicit. Check out this map of vile vortices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vile_Vortices_Map.png). The Bermuda Triangle is one as well as a sector of the Pacific that could very well be the location of The Island.

And I think it's safe bet The Island was paranormal or at least "different" way before DHARMA established it stations there in the late seventies. The four-toed statue is a big clue to that, I think, and points to a lng history of bizarre phenomenon.

Oddly enough, the Black Rock may not be there because of anything too ridiculous... it was captained by an ancestor of Alvar Hanso, Magnus and was already sailing around the Pacific (http://lostpedia.com/images/d/dc/92DE8785E9.jpg). It may have just been a massive typhoon that picked up the boat and settled it on the Island in the late 19th century.

Speaking of this "time" theory and of people aging quicker on the island, I noticed during the epi that both Sawyer and Jack have white hair on their chin now (which suits them well) and I wondered if they showed that to us deliberately (I hadn't noticed such a thing before). Jack looked much older than in the first season during this episode, didn't he?

I just can't seem to get the statement made by Mrs. Clue to Michael before they release him to free Ben. She tells him that they can't go there. That has always bothered me. Why could Ben go near the Losties camp and the others can't????
Is it the aging process? A premature death? Was Adam and Eve the first casualities of this premature death. Remember they werent even buried, just laid out, and like then everyone left that area, except the ones left in the quaranteed hatches.

Maybe only those indiginous to the island are able/allowed to go into smokey territory.

I heard it was an anagram and a black bag...so if MITTELOS was the anagram then donde esta el bolso negro? :79:
Hmm, Juliet had a really big purse/bag of some sort when she was raiding the lab. Was it black???

This would explain why Walt was so much taller in "3 Minutes" than he was at the end of Season 1. With the adults it's less noticeable. But if the time differential is at a ratio of approximately 12:1, the inevitable aging of the actors can be accounted for/concealed by the time-warping effect of the island.
I think if island time does pass slower than regular time, then the Losties will be in for quite a shock if Walt returns to them after being out in "real time" for awhile! He'd be years older but they would think he'd only been gone days or weeks. What a cool way to deal with Walt's growth spurt!!! :biggrin:

MITTELOS = LOST TIME = Temps Perdu = À la recherche du temps perdu
Also knows as "The Rememberernce of Things Past" the great French Novel by Marcel Proust.

Now, like most people on the planet, I've never read it, but I do know that it involves a lot of themes regarding memory and time, the invented nature of experience and mythology.

It also has flashbacks which may seem like time travel, has a lot of stuff about smell and memory and indeed, music and memory.

I also know that Locke is supposed to have quoted Proust at some time. Indeed, a search of these forums for 'Proust' reveals a few interesting posts that mention him.

Also, Proust and Joyce are often linked, not just because they're great writers, but because of thematic connections in their work.

However, if this is correct (and it just feels so right), it's a bit like saying, 'The answers to the secrets of lost are in .... the internet ... or The Encyclopaedia Britannica', since finding anything meaningful in a seven volume French Novel that defies categorisation is a little tricky.

I seem to recall Inman referring to "hostiles" with the perception that this is talking about the "Others".
Often, people refer to things in Lost cryptically so we asume it means one thing and later it means something we didn't even know about at the time.

While not certain, it makes sense. After all, Ben planted the seeds that led to the destruction of the hatch. It seemed he knew what he was doing. Since Inman spoke of Dharma as if he were an active (even if grudgingly) member, I'd say Ben and company have revolted. Since Inman's replacement never came, it seems likely that all is not well with Dharma.

I prefer to think Dharma's still in some control. I'd like to think that there have been a few incidents. The first incident stranded the Hatch from the Others, and they hadn't figured out how to get Inman a new partner, once his prior one killed himself. This first incident may have awoken Smokey against the Others/Inman.

The second one happens while Juliet arrives. It summos Desmond who is recruited as Inamn's aid. Inman does not think a second replacement is coming and doesn't want to die in the Hatch so he plans to strand Desmond and escape in his ship. We know how that turns out...

Ah, that is the anagram. They are referring to time travel of some sort, or something having to do with the 4th dimension (time, as referenced by the guard reading A Brief History of Time). But what are the other Easter eggs? Something in the brainwashing video?

Lost Time can also refer to the phenominon whereby "alien abductees" dissappear for days, but they believe that very little time has passed.

http://www.crystalinks.com/abduction.html

Missing or lost time
Feeling you are Special or Chosen or have an important task to perform
Dreams of doctors or medical procedures
Dreams of destruction or catastrophe
A strong "marker memory" that will not go away (i.e.: an alien face, an examination, a needle, a table, a strange skinny baby
DNA genetic encodings activated (http://www.crystalinks.com/11.11.html) - increased psychic abilities


My pet theory... women have been abducted and impregnated by HansoFoundation for the purposes of cultivating a new genetic breed of psychic supermen.

In referrence to the Easter Eggs, did anyone happen to catch the sign on the wall above
the security machine when Juliet went in to the lab building? (that was really wordy, sorry)
Anyway, it looked almost like there was another Dharma logo right above the scanner.
I imagine if it were it would have been spotted and posted by now but I couldn't get a clear enough picture of it on my screen and wondered if anyone else saw it. I tried over and over to get it to freeze on there at just the right moment, the shape is the same, (or appears to be when fuzzy!) Anyway, it looked like it to me but as I said I'm probably wrong. Someone tell me I'm wrong so I can stop looking for someone else to post about it! :)
Thank you,
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In referrence to the Easter Eggs, did anyone happen to catch the sign on the wall above
the security machine when Juliet went in to the lab building? (that was really wordy, sorry)
Anyway, it looked almost like there was another Dharma logo right above the scanner.
I imagine if it were it would have been spotted and posted by now but I couldn't get a clear enough picture of it on my screen and wondered if anyone else saw it. I tried over and over to get it to freeze on there at just the right moment, the shape is the same, (or appears to be when fuzzy!) Anyway, it looked like it to me but as I said I'm probably wrong. Someone tell me I'm wrong so I can stop looking for someone else to post about it! :)
Thank you,
Bean

I just watched frame by frame and it is some sort of university logo.

I wonder if the black bag that people are referring to is actually the black organizer that she pulled the meds and needle out of? Maybe that has been used by somebody somewhere before?

Also, I love all the numbers references... 4cc's of goo in that needle...

Here's a screengrab... It's the one in her lap. They show it kinda closeup earlier, but couldn't find a screen.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=83666&fullsize=1

Also, if I am not mistaken, that is a copy of "Carrie" under the needle?

i saw that bag, but it looked brownish to me

That could well be the black 'bag', and so what was in it would be the serum she injected into her sister's womb, the same way Ethan was injecting Claire when she was pregnant. Perhaps then the clue is that the antidote that has been alluded to earlier is a cure for the sickness - the sickness being something that affects the islanders ability to procreate?

**8Have the creators ruled out anything dealing with extra-dimentional travel, or a Bermuda Triangle-like phenomenon? I just can't get the Black Rock out of my head. It would seem that the Black Rock easily predates the Dharma Initiative. Since the ship is so far inland seems to show this island was paranormal long before Dharma got involved. Perhaps the monitoring station in the arctic is looking for this dimentional break or Bermuda Triangle-esque area and when Desmond blew the hatch somehow the island was visible or the dimetional rift was activated or something along those lines.***

In the lost experience series which can be found on You tube The captain of the Black Rock was Hanso's grandfather.

That could well be the black 'bag', and so what was in it would be the serum she injected into her sister's womb, the same way Ethan was injecting Claire when she was pregnant. Perhaps then the clue is that the antidote that has been alluded to earlier is a cure for the sickness - the sickness being something that affects the islanders ability to procreate?

That's kinda what I was thinking as well. What was the name of the episode that dealt with Ethan injecting Claire? I want to go watch it and look for the bag...

Thinking about this whole time thing, I've noticed something interesting lately. There are no clocks (at least none that I've seen) on the Others' island or in the hatches. Whether this is important or not, I don't know. It's just an observation.

In the first scene of Ep. 7, where Juliet is with her sister, there is a clock by the bed. It's the yin-yang that people think is a Dharma logo. I believe that they really are in Miami simply because of that fact (and I don't think the view of the city outside the window is fake either).

Another thought: Alex has aged. Normally. She is somewhere around 16, which is how long Rousseau has been on the island. So it would make sense that time does not affect people/aging, right? Or maybe it depends which island one is on...

If any of this is way wrong, please shoot it down. I'd rather be told I'm wrong than keep puzzling based on these thoughts.