Tivo backs me up on this-- pre-Island Juliet has grey hair and wrinkly aged face, but Island Juliet 3 years later has either had a lot of work and some good hair dye or maybe sea air is good for one's health, because her hair isn't grey and her face is unlined and young.

Anyone else notice that? What could it mean?

Wait, that's funny. Really? Cause I was actually thinking "Juliet doesn't look so hot in these FBs..." but then I was thinking they just made her look all harried and stressed out and depressed about her life.

I would love screencap comparisons in the morning, please. ;)

Oh man... I thought the exact same thing, but I thought it could have been the different hairstyle or that her brow seemed always furrowed in the flashback. None of our Losties seem to appear younger... so how did Juliet lose at least 5 years off of her face? Unless she found some awesome Dharma face cream or something.

Juliet's hair is definitely different as it's curly in the FB, will have to caps to compare other features

She looked so normal and run-of-the-mill in the flashbacks. Not in a degrading way, but in an aesthetic way.

She did look younger in the FBs due to her curly hair, though. She was kinda goofy, too, which was cute. Haha.

Well, I didn't notice that her hair was grey - just looked darker and mousier to me. But I did find myself looking at her face all the time and thinking, "What's the deal with her face? She doesn't look very good. I don't remember her having those little jowely things?" etc. Just couldn't quite put my finger on it, but she did look different and not as good to me.

You could be on to something. :undecide:

That would be very interesting...

Maybe a plastic surgeon was a tail-y that got put to work???? I could be goin' out on a limb here ;)

She had serious neck vein stuff going on too.... I don't know how to explain it, but if all of us noticed it, I think it's intentional.
And, yeah, her hair is really curly in the FB but straight on the island. Is really bothering to straighten her hair all the time on the island? :confused:

I mentioned to one of my Lost co-watchers that Juliet seemed older in her flashbacks. I don't know if make-up was trying to make her look older relative to her island self, or if they were trying to make her look more stressed out in her flashbacks, emphasizing a more vigorous and in-control look on the island due to personal growth. I was possibly imagining the whole thing. But I think I noticed what the thread creator noticed.

Oh, and BTW, she was an attractive woman throughout the show.

I think she definitely looked older in the flashbacks. There was a shot at the end which was a shot of her face in flashback that switched to a shot of her face in the post-op room with Jack, and it's definitely noticable then. Some of it was lighting - the lighting in the post op room was a much more flattering amber tone, but if they were trying to make her appear younger visually, it really worked there. It's not quite on par with the island healing Rose and Locke, but it's not too far a stretch to think that maybe it is helping them all, phsyically.

Ethan looked younger on-island to me, too. Did anyone else notice that?

Ethan looked younger on-island to me, too. Did anyone else notice that?


Yes, I was going to say, especially in that last shot of Ethan he looked older, and his face seemed heavier. Don't know they both looked more haggard in the real world if that makes sense.

I was slightly distracted by Ethan's hair to really notice any facial features...

I didn't notice Juliet looking older, but I sure did notice Ethan's "jowls." My husband said, "Is Ethan older?" And I was like, he can't be older... it's in the past...

Sort of reminds me of Joop and the fountain of youth.

They must have some awesome hair balm straightener and irons on the island.. her hair never looks frizzy.

As far as I could tell, she was just standard run-of-the-mill miserable in the FBs, and that does have a lot of effect on your appearance. It was clear that around the evil exhubby, she was taking no care as to her appearance. I would guess she is now, I mean, look at the pretty twisted bun she put her hair up in for the surgery. So the question becomes: why is she happier, or at least trying to be prettier, here, when she obviously wants so badly to go home?

Edit: Aren't they all a lot more physically active on the island than off?

I thought she looked older in the flashbacks too... To the point where I had a really hard time trying to date the flashback... Maybe in an effort to make her look younger, the makeup had a reverse effect..

I thought maybe they were just backing off on the makeup to make her look a little frumpy and mousy looking. To back up that she was not as confident and take charge in the FB as she is on the Island. She seemed to say something about not "one to take charge" or being a leader.

The hair I was contributing to highlights and curls.

She looked so normal and run-of-the-mill in the flashbacks. Not in a degrading way, but in an aesthetic way.

She did look younger in the FBs due to her curly hair, though. She was kinda goofy, too, which was cute. Haha.

Yes she was much more goofy in her FB, it really makes you wonder what she has gone through in her 3 years on the island to change her so drastically

She had serious neck vein stuff going on too.... I don't know how to explain it, but if all of us noticed it, I think it's intentional.
And, yeah, her hair is really curly in the FB but straight on the island. Is really bothering to straighten her hair all the time on the island? :confused:

Yup noticed the neck vein thing.

Ethan looked younger on-island to me, too. Did anyone else notice that?

He did look older in the morge, it could just be natural aging but it probably wouldn't have been that noticeable considering he was in ep 1 of this season.

Caps are up.

Here is morgue Ethan (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x07-portland/4/normal_3x08-portland979.jpg)

vs.

island Ethan (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x01-cities/1/normal_twocitiescap-0074.jpg)

I'm also thinking it was intentional if so many of us noticed it. Sure, part of it could be that she was a complete wreck because of her scummy ex-husband and his new "research assistent," but that doesn't explain Ethan... I thought he looked older and more droopy-eyed than usual... something definitely seemed off. And as someone before said, there's still Joop and the age experiments; and iirc we do know from the Lost Experience that Alvar Hanso looked younger than he really was because of some treatment (I'm gonna have to review some of that stuff, I think...).

ETA: Click here (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Life_Extension_Project) for Lostpedia's Life Extension Project page.

And, yeah, her hair is really curly in the FB but straight on the island. Is really bothering to straighten her hair all the time on the island? :confused:

They must have some awesome hair balm straightener and irons on the island.. her hair never looks frizzy.

Well, she could have naturally straight hair and had a perm in the flashbacks. ;)

Actually, I posted above, but after looking at screen caps, I'm reconsidering. I definitely think they were trying to make her look more frumpy, tired and stressed - darker, mousier hair, little makeup etc. But I don't know if I can truly say she looked older. A lot of it was lighting, I think, also. I dunno. It's still an intriguing idea. :shrug:

Well, I didn't notice that her hair was grey - just looked darker and mousier to me. But I did find myself looking at her face all the time and thinking, "What's the deal with her face? She doesn't look very good. I don't remember her having those little jowely things?" etc. Just couldn't quite put my finger on it, but she did look different and not as good to me.

You could be on to something. :undecide:


I agree, she just looked mousier. Maybe she didn't look as good as she does now because she was stressed higher than the moon. Little Jowely things? Unfreezing a perpetual tense face would take care of those.

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one that noticed this. The first thing I thought when Juliet showed up in her flashback was that she didnt look too great. Definitely a difference between island Juliet and flashback Juliet, and it's not just the hairstyle.

The Island's healing properties?

I was thinking, "Geez, this girl has great skin. What face cream does she use?"

maybe she uses proactiv? Wait, isn't there a Dharma logo on the proactiv bottle? I'll check.

well technically the guy that plays ethan has gotten older so maybe that's why he looks like he has aged. but the juliet thing really bothered me. we definently know there is no time issue going on because shes been away for 3 years..
maybe she forgot her botox treatments before filming? lol

Well, she could have naturally straight hair and had a perm in the flashbacks. ;)

I'm not disagreeing with the thread... but I thought it would be important to point out that spiral perms like the on she was sporting were fashionable at one time... a la Felicity.

Actually, perming her hair in the FB does make sense, since dharma probably didn't think to make perm kits for juliet to use on the island.

Indeed! I kept noticing that she seemed to actually look a little bit older in the flashbacks. It has to be intentional. I'm hard-pressed to believe it's simply because of stress - obviously there is a lot of stress involved with being on the island, apparently against her will as her closing statement to Jack indicates. And whoa...she didn't seem to have any trouble killing Pickett. She didn't seem like that in the flashbacks to me.

In any case, she sure has beautiful eyes in both timeframes.

I didn't think she looked older in FB's, just more stressed out or tired, which I'm sure was intentional. We weren't supposed to know that she was being kept on-island against her will until the end of the episode, so the contrast of looking harried in the FB's and more confident and "in-charge" on the island was for that reason I think.

, so the contrast of looking harried in the FB's and more confident and "in-charge" on the island was for that reason I think.

This is true they were trying to show that Juliet was different pre-island. There's that one scene where there juxtapose Juliet in her FB looking very unsure and hesistant with her stone cold direct demeanour on the island, that was really effective.

I agree with everyone, I totally thought Juliet and Ethan looked older in the flashbacks than on the island. They purposely put her in frumpy, ugly clothes, made her slouch, she had a stressed out life. But I don't think her life on the island is any less stressful. I mean she is there against her will, performing surgeries she doesn't know how to do and shooting people left and right. I think that would probably put some age on you. Anyway, definitly think the island has healing and fountain of youth-type properties. It makes you wonder how the children can grow up...

I will say that I think you folks are stressing over some pretty unintentional issues. I think the Ethan thing can be easily explained one of two ways:

1.) The Actor got pudgier, or
2.) Juliet said she was on the island for 3 years, and during that time I bet Ethan got into a lot more shape by, you know... running down and killing people on the island and pretending to be a Survivor.

On the Juliet thing, I think it's all a mistake with the makeup department. The actress who plays Juliet is 9 years older then Evangeline Lilly, and that means that Hollywood makeup is required to hide her various imperfections and wrinkles. However the Director probably decided he wanted the Juliet character to look more haggard and over worked in the FB, so he told them not to use makeup. I believe he did not take into account that a lot of the makeups job was hiding her wrinkles and making her look younger, not just prettier.

In conclusion, I don't think shes supposed to Look Older in the FB, she just does because they stopped filming her with Maximum Makeup and Perfect Lighting.


Also, you guys have never heard of a perm? :)

i TOTALLY noticed this... i was like, "does anyone else notice that she looks 10 years younger on the island? certainly not a coincidence considering the island's seemingly restrorative and regenerative properties.

....However the Director probably decided he wanted the Juliet character to look more haggard and over worked in the FB, so he told them not to use makeup. I believe he did not take into account that a lot of the makeups job was hiding her wrinkles and making her look younger, not just prettier...

Perhaps. Women use makeup in the real world for just that reason.

I noticed Juliet's hands. They are very weary hands (hers) that match her weary face. She used them in front of her face in several scenes. She holds up her hands to her face and sobs in the morgue. Generally you don't see closeups of an actor's hands unless it's intentional, close-in filming.

So, I believe the worn, stressed looks in the real world vs the younger appearance on the island is intentional. Something in the water. ;)

I mentioned to one of my Lost co-watchers that Juliet seemed older in her flashbacks. I don't know if make-up was trying to make her look older relative to her island self, or if they were trying to make her look more stressed out in her flashbacks, emphasizing a more vigorous and in-control look on the island due to personal growth. I was possibly imagining the whole thing. But I think I noticed what the thread creator noticed.

Oh, and BTW, she was an attractive woman throughout the show.

I agree 100% with your statements. To me Juliet seemed shy and unsure of herself in her flashbacks. It seems that her time on the island has given her the opportunity to overcome some of these personality issues and her appearance now versus her pre-island days are a reflection of her newfound confidence.

I could be wrong, but I am thinking that William Mapother filmed both this and the ep 1 scene during the same time frame. It's possible that he went back to Hawaii after filming the tiny bit for ep 1, but I didn't hear anything about it on the spoiler boards or anything.

If that is true then they are definately going for an age difference thing here.

Well, the actor that plays Ethan is three years older than in the first season, but still, there is a great difference. In the last scene, they did show his face a lot, like really stopping the camera on his face, and sort of shooting from below, so as to stress the pudgier, jowlier face.
As for Juliet, I see no reason for her to be less stressed on the island than she was in Miami. But I didn't see a noticeable change on her, as was clear on Ethan. So, we just have to wait watch and see to know if there is something to it...

Some things seem easy to explain. First the actor playing Ethan is older and likely a bit heavier. They gave him lots of hair to make him look younger. Now if you wanna go from a "character" perspective then a younger, chubby Ethan went to a tropical island (no more Taco Bells and Wal Marts) and lost weight eating naturally and having an outdoor lifestyle.

As for Juliet, it seems that the character was initially very stressed. This aged her prematurely. Once on the island and with some time between her and her problems of yesteryear, she found a more satisfying and youthful existence. She loved her work, had a boyfriend named Ben, hosted a book of the week club...she was living a lifestyle that likely ended her premature aging. No more crappy ex husbands and sick sisters to deal with. Just sunny skies, palm trees and job satisfaction. That would knock ten years off of anyone's look.

That would be my nickels worth...

I noticed that juliet looked older pre island too and it was ethan at the end that made me wonder what the hells going on , he looked about 20 years older than he did on the island.

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It may just be the lighting...

Oh, good, I'm glad other people noticed Ethan, too. I kind of felt bad mentioning it, because, well, I thought maybe it was just that William Mapother gained some weight. But Selene1212 is correct that William did not return to Hawaii twice to film these scenes. They banked them all at the same time, and he did not seem quite this heavey in the scene from ATOTC. I definitely think they were trying to make him look haggerd, pudgier and possibly older in the FB.

Very interesting in light of all the other dicussions going on right now about aging, time and fertility.

There still maybe be smething to it, but, well, remember Boone. After the actor left Lost, he did some heavy weight lifting, or whatever and developed huge muscles. Actors bodies change, just like ours (often for the worse :frown: )
But Juliets case is really strange. Her skin is spotless on the island, and rather worn out in Miami...

Juliet looked older in all of her flashbacks except for the opening scene in which she injects Rachel.
I posted re this on another thread as one of many funny things about that scene.

It could be lighting but it was so noticeable that for now I'm taking it as a clue that the island makes folks look younger somehow.

I think it's intentional and I think it's the island. There's so many things in this episode about time: the backwards quote in the mindwashing scene, the 26 yr. old woman with a 70 yr. old uterus, etc.- what if time on the island runs differently - faster, slower, backwards - could also possibly explain Desmond's ability to see the lightning coming - maybe he can slip forward in time.
It's all a little to hard to see in focus yet - but there's definitely something here about time and time passing.

I didn't notice Juliet looking any older in the episode, just Meg Ryan frumpiness as she appeared in Sleepless in Seattle. However, after looking at the screencaps, particularly contrasting the first and third, she seems REALLY older. Her lips look dry and more aged, her forehead is wrinkled her eyes look wrinkled and droopy. It is more than just stress and bad lighting, she looks a good 15 years older in the FB!

Frankly I thought she looked YOUNGER in the flashbacks. The only thing I noticed was her hands, but I chalked it up completely to her statement that she's "a mess." Seems like her divorce is recent, her ex is a total jerk who is trying to hold her back (and blackmail her, at least that's what I got from that scene where he tells her that her work could raise serious ethical issues), her sister is ill, possibly from the experimental injections that Juliet is giving her, possibly from something else...would YOU be taking spectacular care of your appearance?

Ethan appeared THIS season in 'a tale of two cities' and now in 'Not in portland', and it looks like he filmed the scenes at the same time. There is no time for William to age IRL because the scenes were shot around the same time, thus if he looks older in NIP it could very well be intentional.

Seems like her divorce is recent, her ex is a total jerk who is trying to hold her back (and blackmail her, at least that's what I got from that scene where he tells her that her work could raise serious ethical issues), her sister is ill, possibly from the experimental injections that Juliet is giving her, possibly from something else...would YOU be taking spectacular care of your appearance?

Her situation isn't improved on the island in NIP. I doubt she spent much time on grooming while in the OR or running through the jungle.

However, after looking at the screencaps, particularly contrasting the first and third, she seems REALLY older. Her lips look dry and more aged, her forehead is wrinkled her eyes look wrinkled and droopy. It is more than just stress and bad lighting!

I agree. I've watched NIP again twice, with the sound muted, specifically to observe Juliet.
She's clearly fresher and younger looking on the island. Her neck and face lines and her blotchy skin tone are emphasized in the Miami scenes. They're smoothed over and evened out in the island scenes.
The 'exception' is the opening scene with Rachel, in which she looks more like her island self.

I'm with you. I thought the same thing. Juliet definitely looks OLDER and more haggard in Miami versus on the island. Also, now that I just read the posts Ethan looks really weird too.... Saggy and wrinkly skin , bad hair and puffy/pudgy. I think this is intentional. The island is doing something to them.

I think the change in appearance was both intentional, and as a result of the off-island flashback scenes being shot on location (and therefore limiting the control the crew had over the lighting, etc.). They wanted life on the island to have a surreal effect on everything. The lighting alone would have shown the age differences in Juliet (attributed to her pre-island stress), and this being her first year on the show made that the only difference.

As I've heard it Ethan's scenes in the two episodes were not shot all at once, but in seperate trips to Hawaii (I have some old school friends there and he's come and gone from the island more than once). As someone pointed out the actor has aged 2+ years since Ethan's first appearance, and he changes his haircut and color all the time (doncha love these metrosexual actors? ;) ). He probably didn't want to get the short cut and dark color back for less than two minutes onscreen, and time takes its toll on a body. It's risky business shooting any middle-aged actor in a closeup if you're aiming for consistency!

And, yeah, her hair is really curly in the FB but straight on the island. Is really bothering to straighten her hair all the time on the island? :confused:

Maybe there's less moisture on the island.

Island Spa? :rolleyes: