Sorry I forget his name. Was it Alpert? Okay Ethan and Alpert, the Mittelos recruiters. They took an interest in Juliet, had some connection to Rachel and went to extreme measures to make sure Juliet joined them.

First off, that Alpert guy was weird looking. Did it seem like he was wearing eyeliner?

And that case they presented to Juliet, to find out why a woman in her 20's had the organs of a 70 year old?

What do we think Mittelos is up to, and what is there connection to Ben?

If they would wipe out Edmund to get Juliet, I can understand why Ethan was so ruthless on the island when he wanted Claire. These folks are pretty bad. All in the name of fertility?

is you unscramble mittelos (the fancy word escapes me right now) it's 'time lost' or 'lost time'. remember, ethan's name is 'other man'. do we know the other recruiter's full name?

I was so creeped out by Alpert. They seem pretty ruthless. And Ethan's connection to Rachel makes me nervous too. Was she working with them? Did he get her pregnant? Or was he injecting her with whatever he was injecting into Claire? When they convinced Juliet to come, did they actually tell her about the island or still shroud it all in mystery?
And is Alpert on the island or is he strictly an off-island recruiter, with Ethan being the one to join you on the journey back to the island?
(Yes, Alpert looked like he was wearing eyeliner, but I think he just had really thick lashes and creepy eyes, PJ. ;) )

Well,

Juliet says the only way for her to be able to leave is for her ex to get hit by a bus...and then POW he does??

Then Ethan and the other Dr. Albert show up in the morgue? Knowing about her sister?? And they are obviously from...the Island or Dharma??

What does this mean in the whole picture of things going on with these people? Fate or coincidence?

Tell you what, this whole story has done nothing to make me feel warm and fuzzy about Ethan. He seems even creepier now.

He was in her and her sister's apartment building in the begining too...He plays creepy about as well as Ben does...

Seriously. The TPTB really know how to make us wonder if ANY of this is fate or coincidence, cause frankly, it sure seems like pure conspiracy to me!

First off, that Alpert guy was weird looking. Did it seem like he was wearing eyeliner?


Well, that was Nestor Carbonell and that is just the way he looks. He has very dark, heavy eyelashes. Creepy as he was tonight, I think he's yummy. FYI, he used to be on Suddenly Susan.

Well we may know that Juliet was brought to the island on purpose, but how about the 815 passengers? Are they just human guinea pigs brought there as test subjects? If Mittelos would get a doctor hit by a bus to ensnare Juliet, would they crash a plane full of passengers to obtain a handful of test subjects?

I think that, in addition to Mittelos being an Anagram, the name is a reference to Mittelwerk. Remember, he was one of the top dogs that rival Dharma group that we learned about in the Lost Experience last summer?

Sorry I forget his name. Was it Alpert? Okay Ethan and Alpert, the Mittelos recruiters. They took an interest in Juliet, had some connection to Rachel and went to extreme measures to make sure Juliet joined them.

First off, that Alpert guy was weird looking. Did it seem like he was wearing eyeliner?

And that case they presented to Juliet, to find out why a woman in her 20's had the organs of a 70 year old?

What do we think Mittelos is up to, and what is there connection to Ben?

If they would wipe out Edmund to get Juliet, I can understand why Ethan was so ruthless on the island when he wanted Claire. These folks are pretty bad. All in the name of fertility?

Yes, all I could think about when Alpert was on the screen was, is he wearing eyeliner? He kind of looks like an actor who was on the sitcom 'Suddenly Susan', wonder if it's him. (Edit: Ah, thanks Emmadoggy!)

At this point.. I'm thinking that Alpert and Ben are definitely partners of some sort, and that Alpert may even be the 'big boss'.

I think that, in addition to Mittelos being an Anagram, the name is a reference to Mittelwerk. Remember, he was one of the top dogs that rival Dharma group that we learned about in the Lost Experience last summer?

I thought the same thing about the name Mittlewerk from TLE. Good catch!

I immediately thought of mittlewerk as well...I wonder what the los refers to if this is true...is it perhaps another partner in the dharma initiative...It was a great flashback about how people were recruited to the dharma initiative and we later find out that juliet was brought to the island a little over three years ago...what do you think she's see so far?

Well, that was Nestor Carbonell and that is just the way he looks. He has very dark, heavy eyelashes. Creepy as he was tonight, I think he's yummy. FYI, he used to be on Suddenly Susan.

That what I knew him from!! Thank you- that's been driving me nuts!!

Ethan is maximum levels of creepy. I find him far, far creepier than Ben. He gives me the heeby-geebies SO BAD, and I LOVE it. He's such a great villain.

Rachel was WAY encouraging her sister to take this wonderful career opportunity with Mittelos, wasn't she? Hummmmm. . . .

And that case they presented to Juliet, to find out why a woman in her 20's had the organs of a 70 year old?
Could it be that something went WAY wrong with the Dharma research on the Island, and this is what happened to ALL the women there? :eek:

No wonder they'd want someone like Juliet looking into a way to fix this!

OOOOO! "Fix" alert! "Fix" alert! Another Jack/Juliet connection! FIX!!

Rachel was WAY encouraging her sister to take this wonderful career opportunity with Mittelos, wasn't she? Hummmmm. . . .


Could it be that something went WAY wrong with the Dharma research on the Island, and this is what happened to ALL the women there? :eek:

No wonder they'd want someone like Juliet looking into a way to fix this!

OOOOO! "Fix" alert! "Fix" alert! Another Jack/Juliet connection! FIX!!

Jack couldn't even compete...that would be...the Ultimate Fix.

And Jack would have Super Angst that HE couldn't have fixed it! :laughing:

Ya, it seems that the women on the island couldn't have children and they recruited Juliet to come fix the problem. This is why they steal babies, so they can raise kids?

And that case they presented to Juliet, to find out why a woman in her 20's had the organs of a 70 year old?

I'll take a stab at this question.

We know that one of the Hanso Foundation/DHARMA's projects was in the field of prolonging life. Assuming the Mittelos Recruiters are indeed Hanso/DHARMA recruiters, it could be assumed that this experiment is still in the works.

Perhaps the "great minds" on the island hit a wall in their research? They were able keep a woman looking like she were in her 20's but her organs still aged like normal.

Juliet's experiments in fertility (impregnating a male field mouse and a woman who apparently can no longer bare a child) caught the eye of these recruiters. Perhaps she is the brilliant mind needed to solve their mystery of the aging organs?

I immediately thought of mittlewerk as well...I wonder what the los refers to if this is true...is it perhaps another partner in the dharma initiative...It was a great flashback about how people were recruited to the dharma initiative and we later find out that juliet was brought to the island a little over three years ago...what do you think she's see so far?


Awesome thought! I just did a quick Wikipedia search for "los":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los

"Crimson King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimson_King), known as Los, the main villain of Stephen King's Dark Tower series"

!!!

Another Stephen King reference.
[INDENT][I]"The Crimson King is one of the main villains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villain) of Stephen King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King)'s Dark Tower series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Tower_%28series%29). He goes by other names, notably Los among his most trusted Lieutenants and Abbalah in the novel Black House (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_House).

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I'm sorry but the name cracks me up... Mittelos? :71:

Okay, some explanation:

mittellos is a German word and means "fundless" in English...

Them? Fundless? :24:

anyone else think that Alpers could be his last name and his first name could be....JACOB!!!

That recruiter guy is from the show Suddenly Susan

The creepy eyeliner guy definetly had a weird vibe going on. Like he was a little too involved and a little too knowing. They way he looked at Juliet when she was realizing she had mentioned the hitting by the bus thing during their interview .. he was just CREEPY!

And Ethan, OH Ethan, so glad you're dead, brother. You are so, so CREEPTASTIC! He seriously gave me the chills. Why did he have to be in this episode so much. He really rivals Sylar on the eek-ness scale.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004801/ Nestor Carbonell

LOST isn't listed (yet)

Someone posted in another thread that Richard Alpert=Ram Dass (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_Dass). I thought it sounded familiar. Another reference to prominent philosophies of time/consciousness.

Oregon? But I thought they were not in Portland? ;)

The quote on the bio about Ethan is from The Brothers Karamazov !

and I love that he's really from Canada. :biggrin:

...First off, that Alpert guy was weird looking. Did it seem like he was wearing eyeliner?



That really struck me too....he allmost looked like an Ancient Egyptian.

the most common meaning of mittlelos is penniless. But interestingly enough, it could also mean stranded:
http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?o=3021;service=deen;dlink=self;iservice= de-en;query=mittellos

And Ethan, OH Ethan, so glad you're dead, brother. You are so, so CREEPTASTIC! He seriously gave me the chills. Why did he have to be in this episode so much. He really rivals Sylar on the eek-ness scale.

I like that Ethan may turn out to be a bad guy after all. After Maternity Leave and TOTC, I was really concerned that they were going to try and soften him up and make him seem like a misunderstood good guy. That bothered me because after all that he had done and threatened to do, I didn't think anything could justify it. I'm glad they showed a clear difference here between Juliet and Ethan. I was afraid they were going to be shown as two students or doctor friends looking for work together, but in fact Juliet was the innocent recruited by a nefarious shadow company and Ethan was one of the nefarious recruiters. He came across as potentially evil as ever. I like him that way.

The Mittelos website was cofirmed by Gregg Nations as a Hoax (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=68245) ...
Actually, I think the whole Mittelos organisation is a hoax, just some fake organisation set up to appear serious to the people they are trying to get.

Good idea! I like the notion that this whole Portland campus thing they showed her doesn't even exist. Forgetting the fake website, I'll bet there's nothing in Portland but a post office box and the entire organization exists elsewhere with its research conducted on the island.

the guy who played alpert was also in smokin aces, a movie that matthew fox was also in andhe stabbed foxy good

I also immediately thought of Dr. Mittelwerk. As for the -los on the end, for me it is really -os on the end. The "l" belongs to Mittel. Os reminds me of OO which is the medical term for egg as in fertility. Os can refer to all things bone as well.

Either way, this is a Dharma/Mittelwerk connection for sure!

We know that one of the Hanso Foundation/DHARMA's projects was in the field of prolonging life. Assuming the Mittelos Recruiters are indeed Hanso/DHARMA recruiters, it could be assumed that this experiment is still in the works.

Perhaps the "great minds" on the island hit a wall in their research? They were able keep a woman looking like she were in her 20's but her organs still aged like normal.




I agree with this. I THINK that prolonging life was/is one of the main experiements. The fertility problem is a side effect of the prolonged life.This does explain why a fertility doctor would be needed on the island, but would NOT have been needed at the start of the project.

However, if everyone on the island is a lot older than they appear, would that throw off a lot of the timelines?

It just occured to me that if the internal organs age "normally" while the "appearance" of the person does not appear to age (or ages much more slowly), wouldn't that mean that the goal of the project would not be "prolonged life", but rather a "youthful appearance"?

A fertility doctor would still be needed to handle any fertility problems associated with the "youthful appearance" experiments, but "youthful appearance" just does not sound as noble as "prolonged life" (although I imagine it would be very lucrative project).

I like that Ethan may turn out to be a bad guy after all. After Maternity Leave and TOTC, I was really concerned that they were going to try and soften him up and make him seem like a misunderstood good guy. That bothered me because after all that he had done and threatened to do, I didn't think anything could justify it. I'm glad they showed a clear difference here between Juliet and Ethan. I was afraid they were going to be shown as two students or doctor friends looking for work together, but in fact Juliet was the innocent recruited by a nefarious shadow company and Ethan was one of the nefarious recruiters. He came across as potentially evil as ever. I like him that way.

Me too. I am glad he is coming across as just as evil as ever. Even if the show gives up lots of "good" things the Others do, they still do terrible things, and specifically Ethan has done some really terrible things. Man, he's creepy.

Sorry I forget his name. Was it Alpert? Okay Ethan and Alpert, the Mittelos recruiters. They took an interest in Juliet, had some connection to Rachel and went to extreme measures to make sure Juliet joined them.

First off, that Alpert guy was weird looking. Did it seem like he was wearing eyeliner?

And that case they presented to Juliet, to find out why a woman in her 20's had the organs of a 70 year old?

What do we think Mittelos is up to, and what is there connection to Ben?

If they would wipe out Edmund to get Juliet, I can understand why Ethan was so ruthless on the island when he wanted Claire. These folks are pretty bad. All in the name of fertility?

Rachel was WAY encouraging her sister to take this wonderful career opportunity with Mittelos, wasn't she? Hummmmm. . . .


Could it be that something went WAY wrong with the Dharma research on the Island, and this is what happened to ALL the women there? :eek:

No wonder they'd want someone like Juliet looking into a way to fix this!

OOOOO! "Fix" alert! "Fix" alert! Another Jack/Juliet connection! FIX!!

I was thinking the same thing, but why does it have to be just women? Ben stated that he has lived on the island for his entire life. What if Ben is just 3-4 calander years old but appears to be is his 40-50's?

I'll take a stab at this question.

We know that one of the Hanso Foundation/DHARMA's projects was in the field of prolonging life. Assuming the Mittelos Recruiters are indeed Hanso/DHARMA recruiters, it could be assumed that this experiment is still in the works.

Perhaps the "great minds" on the island hit a wall in their research? They were able keep a woman looking like she were in her 20's but her organs still aged like normal.


I think Alpert(sp?) said that the woman was 23, not appeared like or looked like a woman in her 20's but that her actual age calander wise was 23.

Alpert and Ethan's appearance raised a key question(s) for me:

Who did they work for? Hanso? Thomas Mittelwork? The Others? Alpert said he was representing Mittelos Bioscience. Was that a front for some other enterprise? An offshoot of an entity we already know? The Lost Experience indicated that Mittelwork has broken off from Hanso, so does Alpert and Ethan represent that schism? If so, how did Ethan happen to get into the "employ" of Ben on the Island?

Well, that was Nestor Carbonell and that is just the way he looks. He has very dark, heavy eyelashes. Creepy as he was tonight, I think he's yummy. FYI, he used to be on Suddenly Susan.

And some of us remember him from a great but short-lived series (cancelled by some bonehead at Fox who didn't like the show, but it's Fox, what do you expect) called...

The Tick.

With Patrick Warburton, by the way, who is hilarious.
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Alpert and Ethan's appearance raised a key question(s) for me:

Who did they work for? Hanso? Thomas Mittelwork? The Others? Alpert said he was representing Mittelos Bioscience. Was that a front for some other enterprise? An offshoot of an entity we already know? The Lost Experience indicated that Mittelwork has broken off from Hanso, so does Alpert and Ethan represent that schism? If so, how did Ethan happen to get into the "employ" of Ben on the Island?

Mittelos...Mittelwork...running out of ideas for corporate names, or is this intentionally similar?

Oh, I love Ethan. When he first appeared I was almost kissing my screen! Too bad he didn't get a huge role. I would've loved that.

Alpert and Ethan's appearance raised a key question(s) for me:

Who did they work for? Hanso? Thomas Mittelwork? The Others? Alpert said he was representing Mittelos Bioscience. Was that a front for some other enterprise? An offshoot of an entity we already know? The Lost Experience indicated that Mittelwork has broken off from Hanso, so does Alpert and Ethan represent that schism? If so, how did Ethan happen to get into the "employ" of Ben on the Island?

Thanks mods for getting this thread back on track. :)

Good questions all, rabidranger. It makes me want an Ethan flashback. Shame he's dead (though he was a bad boy ;) ), this is the closest we'll get apart from one on the island. I'd like to know how he got involved with this company which may or may not be affiliated with Hanso.

I'm relieved that they didn't try to make Ethan out to be Juliet's boyfriend or BFF. I like that he's as shifty as he appears. Some characters I can stand to see rehabilitated, but not him. That Alpert was pretty creepy too. It felt like Juliet made a deal with the devil unwittingly.

I want to know if they chose that island for all the human subjects they knew would be there.

Just to clarify: Mittelos = penniless, indigent in German. The word would break down into mitte-los, not mittel-os. Mitte is a word on its own, it means 'center' or 'middle,' and 'los' is an ending meaning 'less.' Although the common translation would be 'indigent,' or perhaps, 'without means', one poster noted that it can also mean 'stranded,' which makes it much more interesting...

YES! Loved him as Bat Manuel! That's all I could think of watching him. It was so great to see him on this show (as well as Carl's guard, he's from It's always sunny in philadelphia)

I hope they show us how they convinced her to go to the island. She seemed very suspicious of them (understandably). I don't know that I would sign up with a group who could have had someone mowed down by a bus for her.

Rachel was WAY encouraging her sister to take this wonderful career opportunity with Mittelos, wasn't she? Hummmmm. . . .


Could it be that something went WAY wrong with the Dharma research on the Island, and this is what happened to ALL the women there? :eek:

No wonder they'd want someone like Juliet looking into a way to fix this!

OOOOO! "Fix" alert! "Fix" alert! Another Jack/Juliet connection! FIX!!

Anything a doctor does can be construed as fixing things. Keep looking for it and you'll end up with, Jack tied his shoes, he had to FIX his shoes.

Don

Just to clarify: Mittelos = penniless, indigent in German. The word would break down into mitte-los, not mittel-os. Mitte is a word on its own, it means 'center' or 'middle,' and 'los' is an ending meaning 'less.' Although the common translation would be 'indigent,' or perhaps, 'without means', one poster noted that it can also mean 'stranded,' which makes it much more interesting...

Actually, the correct German word would be 'mittellos' not "mittelos" - small difference, but one is an actual word, the other is not. ;)
'Mittellos' would break down into mittel-los, 'mittel' meaning 'funds', 'means', but also 'average' depending on the context (see here (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=std&search=mittel&relink=on) for more), 'los" in this context means 'without'; so that would bring us back to 'without means' or 'fundless'.

(Sorry, can't help it, I'm a native German speaker...)

And a note for posters who want to discuss the Mittelos website: please do so in this thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=68478), not here. Thank you!

Actually, the correct German word would be 'mittellos' not "mittelos" - small difference, but one is an actual word, the other is not. ;)
'Mittellos' would break down into mittel-los, 'mittel' meaning 'funds', 'means', but also 'average' depending on the context (see here (http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=std&search=mittel&relink=on) for more), 'los" in this context means 'without'; so that would bring us back to 'without means' or 'fundless'.

(Sorry, can't help it, I'm a native German speaker...)

:71: I had already hit the reply button to correct the mistake when I saw your post.

German minds think a like, huh? ;)

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Seriously. The TPTB really know how to make us wonder if ANY of this is fate or coincidence, cause frankly, it sure seems like pure conspiracy to me!Well I know its hard to believe anything Ben says, but when he was talking to Jack once before he said something like, I just found out I had spinal cancer and the next day a spinal surgan falls out of the sky. If this statment is true then it can't be conspiracy it has to be fate or coincidence.
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I agree with this. I THINK that prolonging life was/is one of the main experiements. The fertility problem is a side effect of the prolonged life.This does explain why a fertility doctor would be needed on the island, but would NOT have been needed at the start of the project.

However, if everyone on the island is a lot older than they appear, would that throw off a lot of the timelines?

It just occured to me that if the internal organs age "normally" while the "appearance" of the person does not appear to age (or ages much more slowly), wouldn't that mean that the goal of the project would not be "prolonged life", but rather a "youthful appearance"?

A fertility doctor would still be needed to handle any fertility problems associated with the "youthful appearance" experiments, but "youthful appearance" just does not sound as noble as "prolonged life" (although I imagine it would be very lucrative project).Although Jack knew how old Ben was by looking at his X-rays. He seemed right on the money.

Well I know its hard to believe anything Ben says, but when he was talking to Jack once before he said something like, I just found out I had spinal cancer and the next day a spinal surgan falls out of the sky. If this statment is true then it can't be conspiracy it has to be fate or coincidence.

Not necessarily. It may be that Ben didn't know a spinal surgeon woudl be on the plane, but it's possible the plane was intended to be brought to the island full of fresh test subjects. They may not have been handpicked, but the plane may have meant to land (not crash).

I wonder if we'll see Alpert again.

I wonder if we'll see Alpert again.

Man, I hope not! :eek2:He's creepy.

Everyone seems to think he was creepy. I didn't think anything about him looked out of the ordinary.

Everyone seems to think he was creepy. I didn't think anything about him looked out of the ordinary.

not even his makeup!!!!!!!!???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't even notice any makeup. Honestly, I almost expected to get on here and see all the lady-folk going ga-ga over him. Show's what I know ;)

That's how he looks, no makeup

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004801/