Jack finally patched Ben up. Ben's tumor is removed, just give him a couple of days to recover from that lost (no pun intended) blood. On one hand, Jack saved his life, on the other Jack put Ben's life in danger. Let's theorize! What will they do to Jack? Other than future spoilers when Jack is put in one of the cages where Kate or Saywer were in. Even with the spoiler, what do you guys think they'll plan to do with Jack?

Well, for starters, they will need to make certain the tumor wasn't malignant.

And after that, they'll probably strap Jack into the Reconditioning Chair, pump him full of LSD, and show him some lovely viddies.

After that, Jack will just have to watch his beloved Red Sox on TV, in between capturing innocent children and performing experiments on them.

I honestly think they will have a hard time deciding what to do with him. In another thread, it was said that a grudging respect was earned by Jack.

I'm more curious about what they're going to do with Juliet!? Tom now knows she was conspiring to have Ben killed!

I think Ben knows too since he was awake listening for a while. I think Juliet is in deeper trouble than Jack because she was trusted. Jack was reluctant and a captive from the start so they expected something like this from him, even Ben said he should have seen it coming. Maybe Juliet will be the one to undergo the reconditioning like Karl. It seems to be something they do to their own people. The Losties are just held in cages like lab rats.

Both Ben and Juliet kinda made promises to Jack to get him home or protect him... Not sure how those promises are going to play out anymore.

In my opinion, I think only Ben really wanted Jack (obviously in order to remove his tumor). Danny said Jack wasn't even on "Jacob's list." And Danny also made another mention to imply that Kate and Sawyer were the more important ones, saying something like "I know Ben would die before letting them go." So it seems to me that Juliet made a decision on her own to actually let Sawyer and Kate go. But back to Jack. If he was ONLY important to Ben, to do his surgery, what would they need him for now? The only thing I can think of, would be to keep him as some kind of bait to get Kate and Sawyer back eventually.

Both Ben and Juliet kinda made promises to Jack to get him home or protect him... Not sure how those promises are going to play out anymore.

In my opinion, I think only Ben really wanted Jack (obviously in order to remove his tumor). Danny said Jack wasn't even on "Jacob's list." And Danny also made another mention to imply that Kate and Sawyer were the more important ones, saying something like "I know Ben would die before letting them go." So it seems to me that Juliet made a decision on her own to actually let Sawyer and Kate go. But back to Jack. If he was ONLY important to Ben, to do his surgery, what would they need him for now? The only thing I can think of, would be to keep him as some kind of bait to get Kate and Sawyer back eventually.

True, if Kate and Sawyer were on Jacob's list, now that the immediate danger of his tuumour is passed, Ben may decide he needs to keep Jack as bait for a prisoner exchange to get back the two they should have kept in the first place. Ben was initially on a personal mission, but now it may be back to business.

As for Juliet, I think she was always out for herself to find a way off the island. Like she had wished for Edmund's death, she was desperate and had stopped believing Ben's promises (remember she said "he's a liar" on the video?) and thought the only way out was to have Jack kill him. Either Jack's plan messed that up or she couldn't go through with it, but then we learn she is as trapped by Ben as Jack is. I don't think Juliet had any ability to protect Jack, but even if she had, she certainly can't now.

Practical considerations will force them to try and make Jack one of them. Ever since the Hatch implosion they're cut off from the outside world. That makes Jack the only surgeon on a very dangerous Island. They need him.

How they go about trying to recruit him should be interesting.

you betcha! When you are at war, you want to make sure that the only surgeon on the battle field is yours!! I suspect that Ben will punish Jack to show that he still has power and he might even use him as bait, but under no circumstance will Jack be allowed to leave. Even Jack knows that (forcing that promise from Kate). Also he demonstrated a sense of trust by exposing a traitor (Juliet) in the midst. He might become a prisoner, but I expect that the Others will come to respect him all the more. He is invaluable to them and has demonstrated that he can be both ruthless and trusted.

I don't think he was showing trust by outing Juliet. It seems clear to me that he wanted to shatter the illusion that the Others represented some united front against him. They are backstabbers too, in other words.

Thanks for the responses, guys! Here's something I'll throw out as possibility, with no knowledge of what's in store (even with all future spoilers I've read on the net).

What if they hold Jack as one of their doctors since they have no spinal surgeons. Of course, then again, they might not want to risk being held as a medical hostage. I'm just itching to find out. I'm afraid to find out what happens when Ben recovers from losing all that blood!

Does anyone think that Ben said what Juliet said that he said? ;) Seriously, I don't know. Even if he did say that, I think that once the other Others round up Juliet from the beach, Ben will turn his back on her - and not because it's all cut up and ugly to look at...I don't think that Ben ever planned to let Juliet or Jack go home...I think that there's going to be a massive power struggle in Otherville going forward. I wouldn't be surprised if they made Jack testify at a trial against Juliet...

Regardless of all the other Others, I think Jack has at least earned Tom's admiration. Tom seems pretty understanding of what our 815ers have gone through, which seems ironic, considering he was the Walt-napper.

I don't think he was showing trust by outing Juliet. It seems clear to me that he wanted to shatter the illusion that the Others represented some united front against him. They are backstabbers too, in other words.

Perhaps, but I think that's a secondary consideration. Jack ratted Juliet out right after she said that Jack wouldn't let Ben die. Jack was telling Tom that she was saying that because she wanted Ben to die.

Still, so few answers and lots of questions. I think there's a future with Juliette and Jack-both could be freed and sent back to the states and start a further investigation as a team - why was there a flashback done on juliette????:rolleyes:

Do you mean an investigation for Ben done by Juliet and Jack in the real world? I'm not sure if anyone can leave the Island right now...

Do you mean an investigation for Ben done by Juliet and Jack in the real world? I'm not sure if anyone can leave the Island right now...

I think you are right, considering what happened "ever since the sky turned purple." But even that, I doubt there would be any investigation on Jack and Juliet outside of the island because

First, Jack is locked up in one of the cages of Sawyer or Kate.

and Second, it really does not show if anyone definitely got off the island. Yes, Michael and Walt seemed to have gotten off the island. But even then, we don't know if they were off the island, yet; for all we know, it could have been a trick from Ben.

There is a style in Lost. They do not show what is currently going on in the outside world - all we have seen is what goes on in people's flashbacks, which is the past and not now. Although there was potentially a minor exception when Penelope was informed about the island (or something, can't remember, lol), that was it.

Here is my prediction regarding the Losties and getting off the island: if getting off the island still applies, it will not show the Losties getting to their destination; instead, it will show them leaving. Just like the pilot episode shown Jack on the island waking up, it will show the Losties leaving from the island's point of view, and not from the characters' point of view.

Right. I wouldn't be surprised if Ben wants Juliet and Jack for some other reason, though. I don't know what it is, but I think that there's more to the story than what we've seen in terms of what Ben wants. I don't think that even if he could, Ben would let anyone off the Island.

Ben will turn his back on her - and not because it's all cut up and ugly to look at...I don't think that Ben ever planned to let Juliet or Jack go home...

:lol: Oh poor Ben , now he can never go shirtless again! In regards to Juliet, I think it depends on what Ben says, If Ben still has feelings for Juliet he may slap her on the wrists but ultimately let her off the hook.

:lol: Oh poor Ben , now he can never go shirtless again! In regards to Juliet, I think it depends on what Ben says, If Ben still has feelings for Juliet he may slap her on the wrists but ultimately let her off the hook.I suppose that a lot of things will depend on how long Ben is out of commission because of his surgery - if at all. Oh, my apologies to ME! I didn't mean that he was gross to look at without his shirt on (Although it is well-documented that I prefer MF...)...just that his back was wide open because of the surgery...:redface:

I personally think, they are going to try to brainwash jack to join Dharma....if that is not the case theyll try to manipulate him to work for them in some kind of way because of his skills as an surgeon....One thing I think is not going to happen is that they will let him go home....(maybe he cant go home now, since the sky turned purple)....

Other theory could be that,he is the one thats going to take control of everyone who has been captured (kids, cindy..) and try and escape....surely they r not going to be giving him any burguers anymore!!!!!!!!!!

I doubt that they will do too much to Jack. He has a medical skill set that they lack and may need plus he has value as a hostage to keep the Lostee population in their place.

Ben may not be able to release anyone from the island(s) as an after effect of the Day of the Purple Haze.

I honestly think they will have a hard time deciding what to do with him. In another thread, it was said that a grudging respect was earned by Jack.

I'm more curious about what they're going to do with Juliet!? Tom now knows she was conspiring to have Ben killed!

Count me in among those who foresee a civil war amongst The Others coming!

I think half of The Others (Benry & Tom's faction) will want to either dispose of Jack or try to assimilate/brainwash him....the other half (Juliet's faction) will want to come clean with Jack about what's going on and recruit Jack as an ally so they can overthrow Benry.

Juliet is a different matter. Tom has no proof that Juliet actually conspired to have Benry killed: only Jack's word. For all Tom knows, Jack could be the one lying (even though we know Jack is telling the truth). Ultimately, although he probably mistrusts both of them by now, at this point I think Tom would still be more likely to give Juliet the benefit of the doubt over Jack.

As far as explaining why she killed Pickett....Juliet can just claim that she had to kill Pickett because if she had let Pickett kill Kate/Sawyer then Jack wouldn't have finished the surgery.

I believe Juliet will keep her allies ( Cindy, Amelia, all of The Others who are outside the cage "to watch" Jack, and possibly Miss Klugh ), while trying to win over some of The Others who only have soft loyalty toward Benry. She will encounter many obstacles from people within her own ranks who become more skeptical of her motives, including Tom.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about what they're going to do to Alex...unless Juliet can devise a decent cover story for our little Sheena. ;)

Oh, Sheena, erm, Alex :) is in a world of trouble now, that's for sure. Enjoy those smooches with adorable Karl, because the next few days are going to be very unpleasant, Alex. :)

As for Jack, long-term, he's going to be absorbed in to The Others. Which faction? Ben's, of course, as I'd totally put my money on him to win any Ben v. Juliet Others Civil War. That'll just determine who The Others bring to the table to fight whoever/whatever they're fighting against. Michael Emerson (Ben) has said in a few recent interviews that there's much nastier people on the Island besides The Others.Short-term, I forsee a lot of messing with his mind in Jack's near future. :)

Get A Klugh, why do you assume that Cindy and the other staring people are aligned with Juliet? Some inside info, perhaps? :) :biggrin:

Get A Klugh, why do you assume that

Cindy and the other staring people

are aligned with Juliet? Some inside info, perhaps? :) :biggrin:

Ha! I wish!
No inside info...just an educated conjecture on my part.

Since, in the promo for "Stranger in a Strange Land," Cindy tells Jack that she and her friends are there "to watch"....the big debate many of us at The Fuselage had, a few weeks back, was WHY they would be there to just watch Jack.

I made the prediction that Cindy, after being assimilated by The Others, joined forces with Juliet. Cindy and The Others who are standing outside Jack's cage "watching" him are there to make sure that none of the Benry Loyalists assassinate Jack (while the highest-ranking Others debate about what to do with Jack). Essentially, Juliet assigned Cindy and the rest of her groupies to "Jack-sitting" duty, partially because she felt that Jack would respond better to a familiar face (and Cindy was the closest solution Juliet had at her disposal).

I think they'll try to brainwash Jack. The spoiler mentioned is known as "fishbowl effect" and is often used to "break" people before re-programming.

:lol: Oh poor Ben , now he can never go shirtless again!

Well the wound from Rousseau's crossbow seems to have disappeared almost overnight, so I'm sure the scar from the op will have the same ability to dissolve into thin air! LOL :biggrin:


I think half of The Others (Benry & Tom's faction) will want to either dispose of Jack or try to assimilate/brainwash him....the other half (Juliet's faction) will want to come clean with Jack about what's going on and recruit Jack as an ally so they can overthrow Benry.



Yes, I can see the approaching power-struggle, but I'm not convinced that that's how things will work out.

So far we have seen little support for Juliet. We have only seen one person who could be a ally of Juliet's - Amelia - but supporting someone's opinion in a book group discussion is a million miles away from lending your support to a coup.

For all we know Juliet may have been acting alone - and if her account of her conversation with Ben is accurate (which I seriously doubt) she is certainly only acting in her own interests. If she was speaking for a group of people then surely she would have bargained with Ben to get them all off the island?

Ben, on the other hand, has a number of people who seem happy to follow his orders. Tom is absolutely loyal. We know that Ethan and Goodwin followed his orders unquestioningly - OK, they're not around anymore, but it demonstrates Ben's influence over his people - and there have been a number of people quite willing to participate in dubious and dangerous missions against the Losties.

So far we have more evidence of support for Ben's authority than for Juliet's 'rebellion'.

Didn't Ben agree to send Jack home?. I get that 'home' could be anywhere but I'd imagine it doesn't mean room 23 or somewhere sinister like that.

Thing is Ben & co. know that Juliet knows it all and could blow the whistle so the chances of her getting home seem remarkably slim at the moment. Odds are that Jack and Juliet are now dependant on eachother for survival.

Didn't Ben agree to send Jack home?. I get that 'home' could be anywhere but I'd imagine it doesn't mean room 23 or somewhere sinister like that.

Actually, after Ben said he'd send Jack home, Jack says, ha, "Home... is that where sent Michael and Walt?" And Ben says yes. So... I trust that's where Ben was intending to send Jack. As in, not back to the original island, as in not to a brainwashing room, but actually home.

I've said before that I don't think Jack is too important. Ben selfishly demanded his capture so that he could do his surgery. So if he's not really important to the Others, why not just send him home?

I think it all depends on whether Ben will think that Jack kept his side of the bargain - and taking into account what's gone on, I doubt he will.