One thing that I cannot stop thinking about after last night is when Alex called Karl her boyfriend. If he is one of the tailies that was kidnapped, how did Alex and him even get to know each other? They seemed to be keeping him under pretty close watch. If he is a tailie, why is he not with the rest of them that were taken?
I'm leaning more towards Karl being an Other that was being punished for something.

Alex is pretty defiant and I'm sure she can get away with alot of things on that island. It's very possible that she could have gotten to know Karl over time by sneaking in and talking to him every so often. That is if in fact he was kidnapped and brought there. Perhaps that's not how he got there. We'll just have to wait and learn more.

I didn't think that Carl was a tailie at all . . . did I miss something? I assumed he was a chld from the island, like Alex, who (I agree with you, lostgurl) was being punished - likely for continuing to have a clandestine relationship with Alex. I'm sure that Alex is able to get away with a lot (save actually leaving or truly escaping), since Ben is at least a father figure to her, if not a father. She is 'special'.

Karl and Alex remind me of Romeo and Juliet. Young forbidden love. Alex's father (Ben) obviously disapproves of Karl. Karl is locked up, abused, tortured, likely at Ben's orders. Alex tries to rescue him and is told by Juliet that if she left the island, Ben would never allow Karl to live. So Alex lets him go to save his life. It mirrored Kate leaving Jack behind and Karl's "I love you" was beautiful. Call me a sap, but I loved it. And Ben is pretty nasty to do that to someone his daughter loves.

I think Karl also was taken at some point and was adopted by the Others. Maybe he was a bit older than Alex so he's rebellious because he still remembers his real parents.

He could have been taken at any time a year ago, 2 years ago, it doesn't have to be when he was a child. who knows? All that we do know is that they met and fell in love. Whether they locked Karl up because of their relationship or because he was a fairly new person to them is to be seen. My opinion is also that he's been on the island for quite some time, but of course not 100% sure.

Hmmm. Interesting. What makes people think he is a Tailie?

What's cool about this is the fact that Ben does not know that Karl has "escaped" with Kate and Sawyer. Thus, he doesn't know that his story is about to leak. What's interesting is that I wonder what will happen when he finds out that Juliet knows (and allowed) that Karl is gone.

Karl is going to play a big role - fast... but then you know what's gonna happen... another "stray" bullet will get him.

I don't think he was a tailie at all. I'm not sure where that came from. I did think though, that after the 'I Do' episode, that Carl was dead, since Alex said to Kate "They're going to kill your boyfriend, just like they killed mine".

Karl is a spy! He is in cahoots with Ben and the whole "brainwashing" rescue was a setup.

I think some people think he might be a tailie because he was being held in a cage like Sawyer and Kate. Perhaps he was the youngest of the kidnapped tailies and so the Others are doing stuff to him (like they did to Walt) because of his young age.
We've have seen Ben monitoring most of the island via camera, so it would be difficult for Alex to spend much time with Karl without him knowing.
Just some ideas, we really don't know where Karl really came from yet.

Well, we know that God loves Karl like He loved Jacob, anyway.

Sounds like Karl may have been on Jacob's list. ;)

I don't think Karl is a tailie.
But I wonder where he came from? xD

On Carl being on the plane, if you go to Blackrock - Manifest (http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/17/34/) that will explaine it

My guess is that when Alex said her boyfriend had been killed, there are one of three possibilities.

1) Alex thought Karl was dead, but then found out he was being held captive.
2) Alex was talkign metaphorically, in that she knew he was being mindwiped, so though Karl would survive physically, he would be a different person.
3) Alex was talking about some previous boyfriend. Karl is the new guy in town.

Personally, I think it's number one. Here's my theory...
1) Alex and Karl fall in love. (Karl could be a tailie or a Dharma recruit or some other castaway)
2) Ben disapproves. Alex and Karl defy him
3) Ben has Karl put in a cell.
4) Alex begins to plan to break him out. She digs a hidey-hole for him to stay in after they break out.
5) Ben suspects Alex has something planned. So he has Karl taken away. Ben tells Alex that Karl is dead. In truth, he's being brainwiped.
6) Alex at first believes Ben. This is when she sees Kate.
7) Shortly thereafter, she overhears someone mentioning guarding Karl. Alex realizes Karl is alive and begins looking for him. She looks everywhere but the one building he's in.
8) Kate and Sawyer escape. Alex hides them in her hidey-hole in return for saving Karl.
9) They rescue Karl.

On Carl being on the plane, if you go to Blackrock - Manifest (http://www.blackrock.nl/content/view/17/34/) that will explaine it


This sounds like a question for Gregg Nations.....was Karl on the plane.....is he the same Carl on this list posted above.

imo I believe Karl was being punished for something. Like some people have said, maybe for the "forbidden love" he has with Alex.

I really hope they can show more about their relationship. I need to know more before I can think of anymore to say. I have a feeling that they might hold it off till next season, I really hope not!!

Alex's drama about her boyfriend being "killed" is easy to understand when viewed in light of the fact that she is only supposed to be 16ish. I have a classroom full of students that age all day, and they come up with amazing, dramatic, and irrational takes on all kinds of things. Just because Alex grew up on the island doesn't mean she's immune to the same flare for making things more than they are. Of course, that room with the video was pretty severe, no denying it.
As to the ROMEO AND JULIET idea, that could be the inspiration to the writers if Karl is a new arrival. What people seem to forget about that play is that R and J did not have a long and developed romance that was thwarted over time. As it opens, we have the equivalent of a guys' night out as R is trying to get over that fact that his previous love interest didn't return his affections. Then he sees J, and it's "love at first sight." Teenagers move in and out of love about as often as the rest of us change our socks. Gotta love 'em! So it would be easy to see Alex and Karl believing themselves in love if they are in a high stress situation, encounter someone of the same relative age, etc.
However...I am not convinced Alex's Karl is the same one from the manifest. In post-9/11 travel, airlines are pretty rigid about name spelling and how it matches identification (Billy v. William, etc.), and the mainfest lists Carl, while all official ABC releases say Karl.

I think some people think he might be a tailie because he was being held in a cage like Sawyer and Kate. Perhaps he was the youngest of the kidnapped tailies and so the Others are doing stuff to him (like they did to Walt) because of his young age.
We've have seen Ben monitoring most of the island via camera, so it would be difficult for Alex to spend much time with Karl without him knowing.
Just some ideas, we really don't know where Karl really came from yet.

We know that at least two yonger talies were taken. I've never seen anything that would indicate he was a talie.
100%
This sounds like a question for Gregg Nations.....was Karl on the plane.....is he the same Carl on this list posted above.

You can try, but I don't see Gregg answering that question. But there is absolutely zero evidence to indicate Carl was on the plane.

Does anybody else think that Alex is way out of Carl's league ?

:lol:

That manifest is ridiculous. I don't know who made it but it is totally inconsistent with the names that we know. It doesn't list any of the redshirt losties that we know were on the plane (Scott Jackson, Neil Frogurt, Sullivan, etc.). Did it even list the tailies? The "manifest" is made up and should be disregarded for the purposes of determining whether Karl was on the plane. For the record, I don't think he was.


Does anybody else think that Alex is way out of Carl's league ?



Obviously Ben does, but people say the same thing about Charlie and Claire and most often judgments like that are based on the surface only and not substance. Physical appearances don't mean anything for matches. We don't know Karl at all.

Yeah, I think that's unfair! Judging poor Carl on his appearance alone. Let's wait to see what kind of a guy he is.

Alex is frikkin gorgeous but I don't really think we've seen the best of Karl yet, with being in the cage and then being brainwashed an all.

This sounds like a question for Gregg Nations.....was Karl on the plane.....is he the same Carl on this list posted above.

I asked him, he never responded

NO I don't think Karl is out of Alex's league, he seemed really sweet, inspite of his ailing.

Alex is frikkin gorgeous but I don't really think we've seen the best of Karl yet, with being in the cage and then being brainwashed an all.Alex likes Karl because he has big hands!:grin:

how did Alex and him even get to know each other?

Karl was abducted from a previous plane crash, and indoctrinated by The Others (or at least, he pretended to be cooperative and let The Others think they'd changed his behavior).

Miss Klugh made Alex and Karl work together to help take care of the children over at Miss Klugh's Day Care, which is where Karl began "acting out" by trying to find subtle ways to influence the captive children and motivate them to rebel.

I believe this is why Karl was punished by being put in the cage, in ATOTC.