I have a strong suspicion that Juliet lied about what Ben said to her. I think he said something completely different, probably something coercive or threatening (after all, he had just been awake to hear that Juliet wanted to kill him). Then, because of that conversation she decided to betray his wishes by letting Sawyer and Kate leave.

Even Pickett said, "Ben would rather die than let those two get away," and he was probably absolutely right. Pickett probably knew Ben well enough (and distrusted Juliet enough) to know she was lying.

Now she can just make up a story about Sawyer or Kate shooting Pickett, since the only other witnesses were Alex and Carl and they're not likely to tattle on her.

I think her told her something about her sister to remind her that he is the one with the power and that if she does want to get off the island, he had better make sure that Jack finishes the surgery so he has a chance to live.

Ben probably did tell her to help Kate and Sawyer because he knew that Jack would get back to work if he knew she was out helping him.

While Juliet appears to be a strong woman now, she has been known to back down to intimidation.

I have a strong suspicion that Juliet lied about what Ben said to her. I think he said something completely different, probably something coercive or threatening (after all, he had just been awake to hear that Juliet wanted to kill him). Then, because of that conversation she decided to betray his wishes by letting Sawyer and Kate leave.

Even Pickett said, "Ben would rather die than let those two get away," and he was probably absolutely right. Pickett probably knew Ben well enough (and distrusted Juliet enough) to know she was lying.

Now she can just make up a story about Sawyer or Kate shooting Pickett, since the only other witnesses were Alex and Carl and they're not likely to tattle on her.


I was under the same impression. Perhaps Benry knows that he can re-capture Kate and Sawyer, and thus he is not conceding much in his mind by letting them go. But I do know that you can never trust the situation when Ben is mute in the operating room and the writers force the audience to rely on Juliette's version of what happened in there, be that fabricated or not, but Im leaning towards fabricated.

I think the preview for the upcoming episodes says it all on the Ben/Juliet issue:


The preview showed Jack in a cage with a restrained Juliet being taken away-probably to a similar holding cell (or worse). Spoilers also indicate that Jack will somehow have to intervene to save Juliet's life-which hangs in the balance due to her plot to kill Ben and the death of Pickett.


It's also possible that Juliet's actions mirrored Jack's. Just as Jack maneuvered events to allow Kate and Sawyer to escape-knowing full well that he's still in danger-Juliet could have made a "deal" with Ben to ensure that outcome, with the knowledge that she could pay the ultimate price.

Bottomline-I seriously doubt Ben made any promises to her that he intended to keep. Regardless of how down and out Ben is, he always seems to have the upperhand.

I'm very interested by this whole situation.
For starters. If Danielle knows the island as well as it seems, wouldn't it make sense that she is aware of 'Alcatraz'? Wouldn't it also make sense that she would attempt to make it over to the smaller island to look for Alex? Another thing I'm wondering is where is the little village we saw earlier? Is that on the large island? I would think Danielle would have been there as well looking for her daugher.

Also, was the Other's camp by the other hatch (that Sayid tried to attack) only a ruse, or did they actually live there for some purpose? There were several children there but we haven't seen any of them, or the creepy 'nanny-like' lady that was hovering over Walt all the time.

But weren't there parts of the island she didn't go (the dark territory?) because of the "security system" / smoke monster or whatever? I believe that village and whatever coastline that "alcatraz" is visible from would be protected from access by the others.

I agree. She was definetly crying and dejected when Ben talk to her. She would seem happy if he promised she could leave.... makes sense.

totally agree. it really seemed like she was more mad and upset then happy to be leaving.
It's always an eye for an eye with the others so I'm kinda afraid to see what's going to happen to her. I doubt he's gonna let her go cuz that's just not Ben.
What if he wakes up and is WAY different, like a lot worse? Of course he's going to be really mad at her then for hearing her plan.

I think it was just another scheme to gain Jack's assistance. If Jack thinks that Juliet is in all this trouble because he disclosed that Juliet wanted to kill Ben, then he will halp her out at some point in the future. In reality, he will be doing something that Ben wants because Ben controls Juliet.

Yeah, it's not like Ben to let her go home after finding out she was plotting to kill him.

I think we cannot assume Ben threatened Juliet. Communication with the outside world is lost and Juliet would know that fact.

i think he told her that he loved her

Yes I definatly agree that that is NOT what Ben told her....I assumed that it was somethng along the lines of "Did you really ask Jack to kill me?" since he was awake and had heard them talking...this or some sort of threat. DOES ANYBODY READ LIPS???

I think that he said something about her probably going to have to go on trial for shooting Danny...she didn't want to tell Jack what Ben really said...I think that she wanted to help Kate and Sawyer escape. She could have left with them on the canoe, but she stayed behind because of Jack. I like the idea that Jack will save her in the end. I think that she will have to go on trial. I wonder who will proceed against Juliet if Ben is in recovery. Someone we know or someone that we don't know. With Colleen and Danny and Ethan dead, Tom is the only person that was close to Ben that's around. What about a new person?

I'm very interested by this whole situation.
For starters. If Danielle knows the island as well as it seems, wouldn't it make sense that she is aware of 'Alcatraz'? Wouldn't it also make sense that she would attempt to make it over to the smaller island to look for Alex? Another thing I'm wondering is where is the little village we saw earlier? Is that on the large island? I would think Danielle would have been there as well looking for her daugher.

Also, was the Other's camp by the other hatch (that Sayid tried to attack) only a ruse, or did they actually live there for some purpose? There were several children there but we haven't seen any of them, or the creepy 'nanny-like' lady that was hovering over Walt all the time.Maybe it is all one big island and when the sky turned purple it made the big island sink down and that created the gap between the two!?

I think that he said something about her probably going to have to go on trial for shooting Danny...she didn't want to tell Jack what Ben really said...I think that she wanted to help Kate and Sawyer escape. She could have left with them on the canoe, but she stayed behind because of Jack. I like the idea that Jack will save her in the end. I think that she will have to go on trial. I wonder who will proceed against Juliet if Ben is in recovery. Someone we know or someone that we don't know. With Colleen and Danny and Ethan dead, Tom is the only person that was close to Ben that's around. What about a new person?
At that point she had not killed danny yet. So no threat from that either. Ben, being a con man, probably did not threaten her at all. Thats not how con men work.

i think he told her that he loved herI didn't really see Julliette say anything during that whole time she was in there with Ben. It looked like to me when I was a kid getting lectured by my parents. She just sat there and took her lecture and was sad and upset that she got caught doing something bad.

Ben is mute in the operating room and the writers force the audience to rely on Juliette's version of what happened in there, be that fabricated or not, but Im leaning towards fabricated.

True. We have no reason at all to trust what Juliet says.

The whole idea of Ben allowing her to leave the island doesn't ring true anyway - after all, if he was dead he wouldn't be able to stop her!

No, I don't believe that's what was said.

I don't believe he told her that she could go home if he saved her ... I think it is something more like he would tell her about what is happening or happened to her sister ... kind of leave Juilet hanging to give her real incentive ?! Maybe ?

Ahhh or maybe he threatened her sister ?? That usually works ! ;)

It will probably be revealed all in due time, but repeating what Dr. Do Right said.
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO CAN READ LIPS!? SHARE YOUR SKILLS!

PLEASE!!!:biggrin:

I have a feeling Juliet's sister will appear on one of the islands, ala Eko's brother.