Last week we had Mitellos with references ot Lost Time...
Now this week we have reference to the Purple sky putting Desmond back into his previous life with time travel.

This is starting to sound more like string theory and thing happening at the same time in different dinensions....

He didn't travel back in time, he had an interactive flashback moreso.

Nope....David Hume , ancient philosopher...who ws influenced by John Locke....did not recount what this was, but it seems likely to have been his theory of causality - that our beliefs about cause and effect depend on sentiment, custom and habit, and not upon reason, nor upon abstract, timeless, general Laws of Nature.

Timeless...general laws of nature...doing things because you are supposed to...

Nope....David Hume , ancient philosopher...who ws influenced by John Locke....did not recount what this was, but it seems likely to have been his theory of causality - that our beliefs about cause and effect depend on sentiment, custom and habit, and not upon reason, nor upon abstract, timeless, general Laws of Nature.

Timeless...general laws of nature...doing things because you are supposed to...


i second that!no time travel!whats with time travel that attracts people so bad?geez...:kiss:

Not time travel... interactive flashback with outside influence (smokie? something else?). However, it's unknown why he is getting flashes of the future. It wouldn't be the first time that precognitive ability has been displayed on the show though.

Well, it depends on exactly what your definition of "time travel" is.

It's fairly obvious that his consciousness went back into the past. Whether it was just him "remembering" it or interacting with it is debatable.

It's possible he ALWAYS acted that way in his past, and he simply didn't remember until he turned he key and he was just reliving it.

Maybe he did actually go back in time, and change the future, or maybe he went to a different dimension.

I think it's possible notions of Hume's causation could present in the show, however I am still perplexed by their inclusion of these philosopher's names in the show. John Locke is actually very unlikely the historical John Locke most of the time (The island John Locke seems to represent faith, whereas the historical figure was an empiricist, who believed in accepting only what we could experience through sensation or reflection). Hume also has until very recently anyway, presented very little actually Hume like.

As far as string theory... I personally haven't heard that (things happening at the same time in different dimensions) in regards to string theory. To me that sounds more like a quantum physics type theory.

hume was a sceptic and seriously revolutionary.wouldnt believe in life -time correction whatsoever.in a nutshell,humes philosophy was about ''not being able to chose free of natural factors.being a slave to 565467765946546954 billion chain reactive events''

kind of like chaos theory

hume was a sceptic and seriously revolutionary.wouldnt believe in life -time correction whatsoever.in a nutshell,humes philosophy was about ''not being able to chose free of natural factors.being a slave to 565467765946546954 billion chain reactive events''

kind of like chaos theory

... not exactly... well at least not Hume's causal theory. I admit I don't know much of Hume beyond the basics and his causal theory, I've read selections of his major works (Enquire and Treaties).

But Hume's theory on causation (his most groundbreaking contribution to philosophy) is that we only see causation because of habit, not because of any "causal" glue. As in, when we see a billiard ball hit another billiard ball we have just as much logical reason to assume that the 2nd billiard ball will turn into a chicken as we do that it'll move.

He is credited with developing the problem with induction. It's possible he went on to say somewhere that we don't act freely, and instead act as a product of all the causal activities hat happened before us (a standard determinism), but I don't really see how that's compatible with his theory that causation, in the strict sense, doesn't exist, and instead is just constant conjunction. We think A causes B only because we've always seen A before B, and not because A does anything that inherently forces B.

... not exactly... well at least not Hume's causal theory. I admit I don't know much of Hume beyond the basics and his causal theory, I've read selections of his major works (Enquire and Treaties).

But Hume's theory on causation (his most groundbreaking contribution to philosophy) is that we only see causation because of habit, not because of any "causal" glue. As in, when we see a billiard ball hit another billiard ball we have just as much logical reason to assume that the 2nd billiard ball will turn into a chicken as we do that it'll move.

He is credited with developing the problem with induction. It's possible he went on to say somewhere that we don't act freely, and instead act as a product of all the causal activities hat happened before us (a standard determinism), but I don't really see how that's compatible with his theory that causation, in the strict sense, doesn't exist, and instead is just constant conjunction. We think A causes B only because we've always seen A before B, and not because A does anything that inherently forces B.


thats right!thats exactly why he was such a revolutionary!he used the example with the sun that we know it will rise only because weve noticed it doing so,the last 4.5 billion years.we couldnt tell if it d still rise under different circumstances or come tomorrow.thats what i meant by saying ''every action leads to a different result''.
he was so important and cutting edge because ,actually,he came to be the main inspirator of all behavioristic-environmental psychology theories which are about the famous ''we all are products of our environment'' and justify how each one is who they
are just cause they ve lived in a particular environment under particular circumstances,while under different ones,they d take different choices and they be a different man,whatsoever.behaviorism,for what its worth,helped takinthe blame off of man and placing it on society ,which is kind of groundbreaking!(behaviorism is also about learning but thats a different story.or is it?)
ok,,,.you lost me.i even lost myself!we like to argue eh??:biggrin:haha !

Well, I do like to argue, but I'm not trying to be mean, or argue just for the sake of arguing, lol. So sorry if I'm coming across as mean or anything.

I'm just not seeing how you can go from "Causation is all just an illusion created by our minds" to "All our actions are caused by previous actions". The first seems to destroy causation in how most people generally think of it, whereas the second takes standard causation to the extreme. However, this probably doesn't have bearing on the actual show, and it's possible Hume held both theories, I just haven't seen deterministic theories out of him, but certainly have read his theories on causation.

yeah,he did hold both theories..and as im kind of far from writing my thesis yet lets just ship someone and stop all this philosophical yak!:)

yeah,he did hold both theories..and as im kind of far from writing my thesis yet lets just ship someone and stop all this philosophical yak!:)

Yeah, I lost track of exactly where this fit into the show, lol. I think my problem with combining the two theories (and perhaps other people when the refer to them), is Hume's non-standard definition of causation. To to Hume, saying everyones actions are caused, is actually saying something different than most people would interpret.

anyway, back on track... um... yeah... Desmond didn't go back in time, he just had a vivid memory of a few days in his past that he had forgotten about... and... somehow now has flashes of the future.

right on!now were talking!seemed like forever!:)
we nerds rule!

Might I also add that this was the most intelligent discussion about the time travel thing altogether....as far as us Nerds go...
WE WERE RIGHT!!!

TPTB have confirmed that this was not a dream in their latest podcast! Which basiclly means that this thread should have been the one to have had that other thread merged into it because I had this thread first...therefore giving me a top 5 thread this week also. None f the mods merged this thread into the other time travel thread when it should have been....Oh well...time travel...proved me right...:-)...and TPTB are great!!!