I'm sorry if this has been posted before. I'm too excited to look. I just had a quick revelation. the lyrics to wonderwall (the song charlie sand on the street) "Maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me . . ." coincidence... i think not. JESUS CHRIST WHAT A GOOD EPISODE!!!!!!

Also, Driveshaft and the relationship between Charlie and Liam was loosely based upon the real band Oasis that performed Wonderwall. One of their names is Liam as well, and they had a big drug problem - and were a bit of a one hit wonder!

Great catch! I hope he is able to save him. Charlie's not my favorite but Lost wouldn't be the same without him.

I LOVE that Charlie was singing this song SO MUCH!!!! I'm posting the entire lyrics below- very interesting as a whole!!

Oasis - Wonderwall Lyrics
Today is gonna be the day
That they're gonna throw it back to you
By now you should've somehow
Realized what you gotta do
I don't believe that anybody
Feels the way I do about you now
Backbeat the word was on the street
That the fire in your heart is out
I'm sure you've heard it all before
But you never really had a doubt
I don't believe that anybody feels
The way I do about you now
And all the roads we have to walk along are winding
And all the lights that lead us there are blinding

I just got into Oasis a few months ago (I was a bit young when they were really popular). - Anyway I thought it was awesome that Charlie was singing one of their tunes.

BTW - anyone who thinks Oasis hasn't done anything for years (like me), check out there last few albums - there's some great stuff on them.

In addition to Wonderwall, I believe there was use of a second piece of music to help date the flashback and add to the mystery.

The song playing on the 108 clock radio, was Sarah McLaughlin, Building a Mystery. Thanks to my girlfriend for dragging me to a few of her concerts. The song was released in 1997. The lyrics could also be telling: "Yah your work is, building a mystery. Holding on, and holding in. Yah your work is, building a mystery. And choosing so carefully."

I noticed that one too diggity!! I was planning on dating that one but after seeing the episode and having my mind explode I kinda forgot. :D

ETA: so this was in 1997; Des got to the island in 2001. May be important to remember.

Wow...nice catches on those song lyrics....I didn't think about it at all while I was watching...but now...it's obvious why those songs were chosen! Damn that is so cool....I gotta get my easter egg EARS back working....my easter egg EYES are still pretty good...but I totally blew off the significance of those songs.

And while we're at it....the song on the juke box?

Make Your Own Kind Of Music
Mama Cass Elliot

*mod edit*

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

It can't be nowhere
The loneliest kind of lonely
It may be
Just to do your thing is the hardest things to do

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

And if you will not take my hand
Then I must be going, I'll understand

*mod edit*

So...Des really does have to make his "own kind of music"...." even though nobody else believes in him? Without Penny...he's "the lonliest kind of lonely"? On the flip side, didn't Penny's goodbye to Des sound alot like "If you will not take my hand...I must be going...I'll understand"?

I think the first verse of MYOKOM is also relevant to the old lady. It hangs her up to see someone like Desmond so she tries to sell him on the idea that he can only sing one song (ie, that he can't change his fate or anyone else's). But, she's likely wrong. Hmm....nice connection.

I'm sorry if this has been posted before. I'm too excited to look. I just had a quick revelation. the lyrics to wonderwall (the song charlie sand on the street) "Maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me . . ." coincidence... i think not.

Nice catch. Wow, this episode continues to floor me.

As all of you, I was blown away by this episode. I was going to post about Wonderwall but I see that I am way too late for the rest of the people lol. Anyway, when I heard this song, I immediately was on the prowl for when it would come up again (as do most things in LOST). Wonderwall always struck me as a love song in many ways, but at the same time I always felt that the meaning could in many ways transcend that meaning. I am happy to see that this episode of LOST proves such a thing by showing that Desmond is Charlie's "Wonderwall" in the sense that he is being saved by him. Overall, awesome song and an even more awesome episode.

I'm sorry if this has been posted before. I'm too excited to look. I just had a quick revelation. the lyrics to wonderwall (the song charlie sand on the street) "Maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me . . ." coincidence... i think not. JESUS CHRIST WHAT A GOOD EPISODE!!!!!!

I saw your post last night...great catch!! I hadn't thought of the lyrics until I read your post, then i was like "oooh!"

Jennylee: I 'd also read somewhere that Charlie's band was loosely based on Oasis. Interesting. I didn't know about the Liam connection.

Great choice of song! Pays tribute to the Oasis/Driveshaft influence and the lyrics perfectly echo Desmonds prophecy regarding Charlie. Very clever stuff.

In addition to Wonderwall, I believe there was use of a second piece of music to help date the flashback and add to the mystery.

The song playing on the 108 clock radio, was Sarah McLaughlin, Building a Mystery. Thanks to my girlfriend for dragging me to a few of her concerts. The song was released in 1997. The lyrics could also be telling: "Yah your work is, building a mystery. Holding on, and holding in. Yah your work is, building a mystery. And choosing so carefully."

Thanks! I thought it was a Sarah McLaughlin song but wasn't sure, thanks for conforming it :).

Charlie playing Wonderwall was so fitting. He seems like an Oasis fan.

I was thrilled at Charlie's singing of Wonderwall but I missed the Sarah McLaughliln song. It all makes perfect sense now. Even the feuding Gallagher brothers, Liam and Noel, are reminiscence of Charlie and Liam.

Wow...nice catches on those song lyrics....I didn't think about it at all while I was watching...but now...it's obvious why those songs were chosen! Damn that is so cool....I gotta get my easter egg EARS back working....my easter egg EYES are still pretty good...but I totally blew off the significance of those songs.

And while we're at it....the song on the juke box?

Make Your Own Kind Of Music
Mama Cass Elliot

*mod edit*

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

It can't be nowhere
The loneliest kind of lonely
It may be
Just to do your thing is the hardest things to do

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

And if you will not take my hand
Then I must be going, I'll understand

*mod edit*

So...Des really does have to make his "own kind of music"...." even though nobody else believes in him? Without Penny...he's "the lonliest kind of lonely"? On the flip side, didn't Penny's goodbye to Des sound alot like "If you will not take my hand...I must be going...I'll understand"?
Of course, it goes without saying that this song was played by Des on the Hatch record player in MosMof et al. But nobody's said it yet, so I thought I would. :biggrin:

Also, Driveshaft and the relationship between Charlie and Liam was loosely based upon the real band Oasis that performed Wonderwall. One of their names is Liam as well, and they had a big drug problem - and were a bit of a one hit wonder!

Not to turn this into a music discussion..
But, Oasis? A sort of one hit wonder?
Their album Definitely Maybe, and (Whats the Story) Morning Glory? both went platinum and started an entire movement of British Pop.
This band should be at the end of the "One hit wonder list," because they sure as heck cannot be classified as one, or "sort of" one.
Word.
Great episode to use "Wonderwall" in, however!
-Kris

I too read that Driveshaft was based on Oasis - and certainly a band spawned during the early 90's Brit Pop phenemenon. The lyrics to Wonderwall though - yes, Desmond IS Charlie's Wonderwall. That scene had far more meaning than meets the eye.

Of course, it goes without saying that this song was played by Des on the Hatch record player in MosMof et al. But nobody's said it yet, so I thought I would. :biggrin:

I guess no one has said it because it went without saying. ;)

But thanks for bringing it up because it actually is another little bit of proof that TPTB have a plan and are not making it up as they go along. They knew the song would have meaning over a year and ahalf ago when they chose it. The meaning wasn't apparent then, but it sure is now. Well done guys!

I guess no one has said it because it went without saying. ;)

But thanks for bringing it up because it actually is another little bit of proof that TPTB have a plan and are not making it up as they go along. They knew the song would have meaning over a year and ahalf ago when they chose it. The meaning wasn't apparent then, but it sure is now. Well done guys!

i caught the mama cass reference as the original desmond episode song too. and I recognized the sarah mclaughlin song but didn't know the year it came out. 1997 sounds right thoguh. puts us back in persepctive if the plane crashed in 2004...

and desmond was/ has been on the island for 3 years...how many times HAS he done this?
thanks for responding to my first ever new thread! :)

Nice catch, just goes to show that pretty much everything in Lost is there for a reason.

In regards to the "one hit wonder" statements. I think it's relative to location. Oasis certainly wasn't a one hit wonder here in the UK. But to my knowledge, they never did quite so well in the states. (correct me if I'm wrong)

If you look around, there is a song called "Boulevard of Broken Songs" in which "Wonderwall" and the song "Boulevard of Broken Dreams" by Green Day are literally superimposed on each other and it sounds perfect. I doubt that has anything to do with this, but the song is hilarious to listen to so I thought I'd plug it :D

The lyrics to "Boulevard" are also oddly pertinent...

"I walk a lonely road
The only one that I have ever known
Don't know where it goes
But it's home to me and I walk alone."

On Oasis' career: They were hardly one-hit wonders in the US... both "Champagne Supernova" and "Don't Look Back In Anger" got pretty heavy airplay back in the day... the album "Be Here Now" got advertised to high heaven around here, although to be honest the only song I found incredible from it was "Stand By Me". Definitely Maybe has become a cult classic here; I'm a huge fan of "Slide Away" for what it's worth :D Also, they had a song play over the credits of "The Butterfly Effect" that people never stopped asking about on the Imdb boards, although I have no way of knowing how many of them were from the USA.

Also, Driveshaft and the relationship between Charlie and Liam was loosely based upon the real band Oasis that performed Wonderwall. One of their names is Liam as well, and they had a big drug problem - and were a bit of a one hit wonder!

Oasis were a one hit wonder..? Are you kidding..?
They've had eight #1 singles and have sold £60 million worth of albums.

So, not to change the subject but rather to bring it back on subject... ..

If the year is 1997, would this be before Driveshaft's success. That would explain why Charlie was peddling instead of playing on of Driveshaft's hits. Eh?

I see nobody's mentioned THE most important song played in the episode, the one that holds the key to all the Lost mysteries: "...she was only the farmer's daaaaaaaaaaaughter!" :71:

So I need to know if they missed out on the opportunity to have a nice Anglosphere bonding moment (similar to Charlie and Claire's bonding over a tea cup)... is that drinking song specific to Britain? I thought it would have been funny to have Hurley stare at them while they're singing.

I was humming the Wonderwall lyrics the moment I heard the first few bars:

And all the roads that lead to you were winding
And all the lights that light the way are blinding
There are many things that I would like to say to you
I don't know how

Ah, memories.

I completely missed the Sarah McLachlan song though so thanks for pointing it out. It was a hit in 1997 but I have no idea if this is an important timeline clue or not. That puts his breakup with Penny some four years before his meeting with Jack in the stadium... Plenty of backstory to explore in future flashbacks, I'm sure.

Also, Driveshaft and the relationship between Charlie and Liam was loosely based upon the real band Oasis that performed Wonderwall. One of their names is Liam as well, and they had a big drug problem - and were a bit of a one hit wonder!

A one hit wonder ?????!!!!!!!!!! :eek2::confused:
100%
Nice catch, just goes to show that pretty much everything in Lost is there for a reason.



No, it doesn't.

Not to turn this into a music discussion..
But, Oasis? A sort of one hit wonder?
Their album Definitely Maybe, and (Whats the Story) Morning Glory? both went platinum and started an entire movement of British Pop.


ahem *puts on music snob hat* Oasis did not start the britpop phenomenon, that would attributed to the band, suede, who got everyone back onto guitar driven music, and opened the doors for other guitar bands in the coming years Oasis was probably the most successful band to come out of that era in terms of sales. And though they were not a one-hit wonder, they also didn't exactly write there own songs, but rather 'borrowed' the guitar riffs from songs that had already been written. *takes off music snob hat* ;)



I completely missed the Sarah McLachlan song though so thanks for pointing it out. It was a hit in 1997 but I have no idea if this is an important timeline clue or not. That puts his breakup with Penny some four years before his meeting with Jack in the stadium... Plenty of backstory to explore in future flashbacks, I'm sure.

Although buiding a mystery was released over here in 1997, it wasn't released as a single until the spring of 1999 in the UK, so that might change the dates for the FB.

I think the 'one hit' wonder thing might be instead they burned bright and fast and fizzled like a meteor because of constant infighting etc.

I thought the term Anglosphere had to do with any place in the English speaking world...it doesn't have to be exclusive to the British isles. The US is in the Angloshpere. I only know this because I looked up it just a week or so ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglosphere

Kind of O/T but I was just in the grocery store with my sister and Wonderwall came on!! We were so pysched!! We started singing along with it! Thing is I don't even like that song, but now it's part of Lost, so I'll deal with it!

Kind of O/T but I was just in the grocery store with my sister and Wonderwall came on!! We were so pysched!! We started singing along with it! Thing is I don't even like that song, but now it's part of Lost, so I'll deal with it!

yeah i never liked that song either, but how can I not like it now that Charlie sang the "you're gonna be the one that saves me" lines as Desmond approaches" :D

I think the 'one hit' wonder thing might be instead they burned bright and fast and fizzled like a meteor because of constant infighting etc.

Yes, I can see the parallel with Driveshaft and it doesn't take anything away from Oasis' success after their meteoric era.

I thought the term Anglosphere had to do with any place in the English speaking world...it doesn't have to be exclusive to the British isles. The US is in the Angloshpere

Oh, it most definitely is and the very reason the Angloshpere as a modern geopolitical concept emerged in the first place. Sorry, I didn't mean to exclude the US (or Hurley :biggrin: ) out of the whole realm of English-speaking cultures, I just love the (sometimes not so) little details that separate all the members.

Although buiding a mystery was released over here in 1997, it wasn't released as a single until the spring of 1999 in the UK, so that might change the dates for the FB.

Thanks, Peny, I didn't know about that. I don't think that's an Easter Egg pointing to the timeline, but you never know.

SO here's the question-is Des everyone's "Wonderwall" on the island, or only Charlie's?? And, does everyone on the island have another person who is supposed to save them, or just Charlie??? Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

Oasis have sold over 52 million albums worldwide.

One hit wonders? You lot make me LOL!

I posted this in another thread and figured it belonged here. It is some basic facts on the song Wonderwall in case anyone tries to draw meaning.

Wonderwall was released on October 30, 1995. By December of 1995, it hit the Billboard Top 40. By February 2006, it was in the Top 10. It remained in the Top 40 for quite some time. It began to drop of the various charts (not just top 40) in April 1996.

Also, Driveshaft and the relationship between Charlie and Liam was loosely based upon the real band Oasis that performed Wonderwall. One of their names is Liam as well, and they had a big drug problem - and were a bit of a one hit wonder!

You what?! One hit wonder?

Also O/T....but maybe this could be some insight into the meaning of the episode's name. "And all the lights that lead us there are blinding?" Flashes before your eyes? Just sayin'....:cool:

In this scene, as Desmond tries to speak to Charlie, Charlie thanks someone..."..a fiver! Thanks" (or words to that effect), a man's voice is heard to say "SIGN" and then someone (Charlie?) says "Claire", then Charlie says "You can leave your number if you want to".

Just thought I would post the lyrics to this song. Weird lyrics actually, so I am thinking that none of it is important except for the line, "building a mystery."

Sarah MacLachlan

Building A Mystery

you come out at night
that's when the energy comes
and the dark side's light
and the vampires roam
you strut your rasta wear
and your suicide poem
and a cross from a faith
that died before Jesus came
you're building a mystery

you live in a church
where you sleep with voodoo dolls
and you won't give up the search
for the ghosts in the halls
you wear sandals in the snow
and a smile that won't wash away
can you look out the window
without your shadow getting in the way
oh you're so beautiful
with an edge and a charm
but so careful
when I'm in your arms

(chorus)
'cause you're working
building a mystery
holding on and holding it in
yeah you're working
building a mystery
and choosing so carefully

you woke up screaming aloud
a prayer from your secret god
you feed off our fears
and hold back your tears

give us a tantrum
and a know it all grin
just when we need one
when the evening's thin

oh you're a beautiful
a beautiful fucked up man
you're setting up your
razor wire shrine

chorus

repeat chorus

"Maybe...your gonna be the one that saves meeee.." I never really cared for that song, actually I thought it was one of the most annoying songs ever when I would hear it every time I went into our grocery store, lol, but now I like it alot..and sing it all the time! Thanks Charlie!!:rolleyes:

Desmond IS everyone's Wonderwall ... everyone in the WORLD!! "The most important thing you ever do is push that button for three years ... " and save the world.

Also, Driveshaft and the relationship between Charlie and Liam was loosely based upon the real band Oasis that performed Wonderwall. One of their names is Liam as well, and they had a big drug problem - and were a bit of a one hit wonder!


I wouldn't really call them a one-hit wonder- they are a bit of an institution here in the UK and were instrumental in the "Britpop" phenomenon that hit the music scene in the 90's (I am not a fan though...)

;)