Both times Desmond made his time leap it was after "bumping" his head -

when he woke up from the hatch implosion he was on the floor after falling off the ladder and getting a concussion, When he lept back to the island it happened after the guy in the pub smacked him in the head with that bat or whatever it was. Perhaps everything is just in his head?

Gosh, I hope not. That was weird that a bump on the head sent him back.

I mentioned this question in another thread, but Did the fact that Desmond CHANGED the past (by allowing himself to get hit and not the bar man -telling him to duck) send him back to the island? Or do you think any old head bashing would do it?

OR maybe the island is where he hallucinates after he gets his head bashed. For example, when he fell off the ladder did he just imagine the island experience - the microwave beeping being the same sound as the island button warning makes me wonder. After he snaps out of it he's back in his real life (not on the island). Then he has another head trauma - getting hit with the club - and goes back to imagining himself on the island. But then this theory wouldn't hold up with Season 2's finale of Penelope getting the phone call - if the island was all in his head. Thoroughly confused now...

Yeah, one of the first things I thought of tonight was that the island was all in his head too, but you're right, that theory wouldn't work with the S2 finale. Very very confused! I wish I would have recorded this episode so I could watch a few things over again right now.

What I want to know is...is "the desmond" that met Jack at the stadium the "enlightened" or the "ignorant" Desmond? i.e. does enlightened Desmond go on after the bar concussion, meet Jack, and have foreknowledge of the miraculous surgery?

What I want to know is...is "the desmond" that met Jack at the stadium the "enlightened" or the "ignorant" Desmond? i.e. does enlightened Desmond go on after the bar concussion, meet Jack, and have foreknowledge of the miraculous surgery?
I have thought all along that Desmond knew somehow when he met Jack that he would see him again. The stadium event happened after what we saw in tonights "flashback". If he recognized Charlie from his future, then he would also recognize Jack (assuming he has had future visions of him too.) Maybe by the time he meets Jack in the stadium, he has had time to get used to his future vision, and knows how to keep low key about it. To me, the whole stadium scene makes a lot more sense now.

I have thought all along that Desmond knew somehow when he met Jack that he would see him again. The stadium event happened after what we saw in tonights "flashback". If he recognized Charlie from his future, then he would also recognize Jack (assuming he has had future visions of him too.) Maybe by the time he meets Jack in the stadium, he has had time to get used to his future vision, and knows how to keep low key about it. To me, the whole stadium scene makes a lot more sense now.

But if this whole future seeing is true, Desmond was so sure he was going to win the boat race. Now how do u work that out............

But if this whole future seeing is true, Desmond was so sure he was going to win the boat race. Now how do u work that out............

Well, he doesn't see evcerything; he just sees bits and pieces...flashes.

I mentioned this question in another thread, but Did the fact that Desmond CHANGED the past (by allowing himself to get hit and not the bar man -telling him to duck) send him back to the island? Or do you think any old head bashing would do it?

OR maybe the island is where he hallucinates after he gets his head bashed. For example, when he fell off the ladder did he just imagine the island experience - the microwave beeping being the same sound as the island button warning makes me wonder. After he snaps out of it he's back in his real life (not on the island). Then he has another head trauma - getting hit with the club - and goes back to imagining himself on the island. But then this theory wouldn't hold up with Season 2's finale of Penelope getting the phone call - if the island was all in his head. Thoroughly confused now...

Your post almost hurt my head as much as last night's show...but that's a good thing. I think. :eek2:

Anyway, I thought a lot about the cricket-mallet-to-the-head thing, too, especially after watching the episode a second time. If Des HADN'T paused to tell the bartender to duck (a self-less, caring thing), he could have just continued out that door and married Penny as he had started to do. Or could he have? Maybe something else (like a bus :rolleyes: ) could have stopped him. OR...did that mallet blow actually kill Des? Did the hatch implosion actually kill Des?

Oh, lord...now I'm making my head hurt again...

I've had a theory for awhile that dealt with chip implants.
If the people on the island have chip implants that have
recorded their lives, then these lives can be reimagined. It
would be as if they were reliving portions of their lives.
For awhile alot of people have talked about the conscience of
the island. The thing that makes them see things, that spoke
to ecko before his death. Somehow I've always envisioned a
super computer being behind it all. Anyway, last nights
episode started me thinking along those lines again. Des gets
wacked on the head, the chip implant misfires showing Des
a portion of his life again. The link to the island conscience
shows itself as the old lady Des talks too. It's trying to get
Des back to waking up on the island. Kind of talking him back.
The portion of Des's life that he was reliving was either stored
at the super computer or the chip itself. And these chips
were in each of the plane crash survivors since birth recording
every moment of their lives through eyesight. I've never
gotten much reply to this theory so I guess people think
it's dumb. But it would explain the people reliving their lives
at points and would explain why Des found himself reliving
his life.

I took the whole thing as his "flashback" wasnt what re-happened off the island. I think his flashback was set during island time too like when Claire had hers after being abducted. Only, i think if we had seen what he was doing physically during his "flashback" would have been kinda boring cuz he was only lying there naked the entire "physical flashback" what we saw as his "flashback" was just what was going through his mind while he was lying there. so the implosion turned into a ladder fall in his sleep state and he dreamed of things in the real world that related to the island, like the microwave beeeping and the polar bear painting. when he got hit in the head in his dream it was what woke him up to the reality of still being on the island.

I took the whole thing as his "flashback" wasnt what re-happened off the island. I think his flashback was set during island time too like when Claire had hers after being abducted. Only, i think if we had seen what he was doing physically during his "flashback" would have been kinda boring cuz he was only lying there naked the entire "physical flashback" what we saw as his "flashback" was just what was going through his mind while he was lying there. so the implosion turned into a ladder fall in his sleep state and he dreamed of things in the real world that related to the island, like the microwave beeeping and the polar bear painting. when he got hit in the head in his dream it was what woke him up to the reality of still being on the island.

Bingo. Exactly what I interpreted.

First post. Please be kind...
The discussion concerning the knocks to Desmond’s head got me thinking about Desmond’s arrival to the island. If I recall correctly, didn’t he take yet another shot to the melon aboard the SS Elizabeth? Does anyone remember the scenes of Des being dragged to the hatch (from Des’ point of view) by Kelvin? I remember thinking at the time that episode aired that although Des may be a little groggy, the “multiple orange-suited Kelvins” were still a bit odd. It was like he was watching Kelvin in four different time zones, just seconds apart.
Maybe Des does, in fact, have some kind of reset switch in his noggin.

would have been kinda boring cuz he was only lying there naked
And that's boring how? :biggrin: ;)

Although your theory certainly makes logical sense I think that because this is LOST that the true answer would never be so logical. Does that make sense? :rolleyes: Just like telegraphing that Charlie will die seems too obvious for LOST, and because they DID telegraph it, I don't think it will necessarily happen. Well, stay tuned, eh?

Both times Desmond made his time leap it was after "bumping" his head -

when he woke up from the hatch implosion he was on the floor after falling off the ladder and getting a concussion, When he lept back to the island it happened after the guy in the pub smacked him in the head with that bat or whatever it was. Perhaps everything is just in his head?
I think it's a Wizard of Oz reference. Dorothy gets knocked in the head, and in the end, wakes up and realizes the whole thing was concocted in her head, using the cast of characters all around her. They reinforced the idea by having the guy with the red Converse (er, ruby slippers) get crushed at the construction site (wicked witch of the east had the house dropped on her.) I think it was all intentional symbolism indicating there was no time travel, just a flashback that was the result of a mind "fractured" by the hatch implosion, as hinted at by the producers.