Remember at the end of Season 2 when Penny's "men" had their alarm go off and said they "found it"? (or something like that) Perhaps Desmond DID go back in time and explain to Penny about the island and the button and she was looking for it? Or am I stretching this too far?

It was a minor statement tonight, Des mentioning his visions and the Eyeland, but still, the intelligent woman could have remembered!!

I can't remember what he said to her--do you remember what it was exactly? That would be awesome if she figured it out based on some really small mentioning...

I had gotten it into my head that perhaps he returns back to Penny at a different time (or different head bump) later on to tell her more...?

I dunno, I think Penny knows a lot more than we think...does she work at Hanso (Widmore) too?

Could her knowledge of what to look for, from either what little Desmond told her, or from him going back in time again and filling her in with more information, have anything to do with the fact that there was a hot air balloon on the island from Widmore Industries?

I don't think that she really could have gotten the information for Desmond, but his best bud did. So if Penny talked to him, he could have clued her in on everything.

If she did get the information from Desmond, then it means that he can change his fate after all. That would mean that something he said to her caused her to go looking for him. He would then get saved. Besides that, I wonder what the other implications were of this episode on that arctic scene. Penny had a copy of that picture they took of each other. Yet we saw here that they had it done by a street photographer and only had one copy. So that scene could represent a different past.

I think the friend will tell her about it, because now he knows all about the island and what will happen to Desmond. He will believe him after he sees that Desmond was right about the soccer game. He will tell her and she will try to find him.

I like the idea of des somehow passing the info onto Penny in the past, it would also help explain Penny's strong determination to find him by trying to detect a magnetic anomaly.

The idea of passing information back into the next time loop to get out of it was used in an episode of ST:TNG. They realized they were in a loop so they programmed Data to decipher a small clue that would tell him what to do to break the cycle. Desmond could have done this by hinting to Penny how to get him off the island.

I think the fact that Desmond's friend is a physicist could be how Penny finds out.
After he sees the soccer game Des was talking about, he'll probably take it more seriously and a few years later when Des disappears, doing the race, he will have probably done some research on what could "possibly" cause time rifts, and will come up with Electro Magnetism, thus passing this all to Penny, and she knows what to look for.
Something like that.
Thoughts?

Remember at the end of Season 2 when Penny's "men" had their alarm go off and said they "found it"? (or something like that) Perhaps Desmond DID go back in time and explain to Penny about the island and the button and she was looking for it? Or am I stretching this too far?

Sorta new here, been lurking a long time, but watching lost from Day 1. I was thinking along this same line when I posted here http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=69350. I think Des knows she's coming for him.

If she did get the information from Desmond, then it means that he can change his fate after all. That would mean that something he said to her caused her to go looking for him. He would then get saved. Besides that, I wonder what the other implications were of this episode on that arctic scene. Penny had a copy of that picture they took of each other. Yet we saw here that they had it done by a street photographer and only had one copy. So that scene could represent a different past.

I had forgotten that Penny also has a picture!

I like the idea of des somehow passing the info onto Penny in the past, it would also help explain Penny's strong determination to find him by trying to detect a magnetic anomaly.

Right, her knowledge of the magnetic anomaly is a perfect fit to to this too.

I think the friend will tell her about it, because now he knows all about the island and what will happen to Desmond. He will believe him after he sees that Desmond was right about the soccer game. He will tell her and she will try to find him.

I think you are exactly right. "Donovan" probably contacted Penny, told her about Des' ability to see the future, and he is now leading a search & rescue team to find him. I would love to see more of Donovan in future episodes....who knows, maybe his research leads to the rescue of the Losties.

I thought this episode was great classic lost.

One thing I thought about is that possibly Penny was in on it meaning that she knows this is what Desmond is supposed to do go to the island. But she loves him and wants to find him and is waiting for the men in anartica to contact her on the electromagnetic anaomly. The traumatic experiences all have a connection. He turns the key and ends up in England having just fell from painting on a ladder.

He has to go to her father and her father has to do something to put him back in the direction of going on the boat After that he does everything he suppose to do except recognize Charley and not buy the ring. the thing that send him back to Island is another trauamtic thing getting hit with the bat. But, was he sent back at the wrong time? Yes, Because there is no more button to push. He needed to not get hit and go through everything to get back to the right point.

I think he knows Charley is going to die because he witnessed it before twice.
but like the woman said it will happen no matter what.

I think with this last trip Desmond now realizes he has done this before at least twice.
Can't wait to see what's next

I forgot about Desmond's friend--yes, he totally could tell Penny the truth about what is going on and lead her in the right direction. About the picture--a lot of people are talking about that and perhaps she got it in some Lostie kind of way, but it might just be that she had a copy. Who knows?

About Penny being "in" on having to send Desmond to the island and not wanting to--that is a good thought. More nuggets to chew on...:confused:

Tonight's epi really shows why Desmond said he was in a "snowglobe" when his boat returned to the island. He can't seem to escape this destiny...or fate...or whatever it is they are calling it now. :biggrin:

So if he does it right, does that mean he never ends up on the island and the button doesn't get pushed? Because the old lady seemed to imply that that would be catastrophic for everyone. I wonder if the lady is really like Yemi in Eko's dream telling him the button is important. Maybe it's just the island trying to convince Desmond to do his life over the same way so he can get back to pushing the button.

It's very "Somewhere In Time". What came first........?

Beautiful, yes. Once he goes missing I think she'd click things into place.

So does this mean Penelope and her crew, could pop up on the island, and either get stranded with everyone else, or rescue them all?

the baloon was from her fathers company?

Two factors at work here:

1) Desmond filled in his friend (best friend?) Donovan (who happens to be a physicist) about certain details of his experience leading up to being on the Island. We don't see Donovan's reaction to the events that Desmond correctly predicted (right event/differant day), but you can be sure that something would resonate with him.

2) Penny knows that Desmond entered her father's "race around the world" in effort to prove himself.

Once Desmond came up missing, and he couldn't be located via traditional methods (GPS), 1, 2 came together. Donovan tells Penny a "you won't believe this" story about Desmond, and they pool their resources in an effort to locate Desmond using unconventional methods (hence the two arctic researchers looking for an anomaly).

The end result, is Penny (and Donovan) is really the only person (other than the shady types running Hanso) that has knowledge of the Island and the means to locate it.

It's very "Somewhere In Time". What came first........?

Yay! That movie is awesome.

Also keep this in mind. The sequence of events is like this:

Desmond goes back, tells Donovan what happened, then he goes back to the island, then instantly, Penny is there looking for him. She's there waiting for the magnetic thing right after Desmond comes "back" to the island.

The question is, was she looking for it because of Desmond telling Donovan when he went back, or for another reason?

Any chance that Donovan was one of the atric researchers in the season 2 finale?

the baloon was from her fathers company?

Her fathers company was one of the sponsors of the baloon.

Remember at the end of Season 2 when Penny's "men" had their alarm go off and said they "found it"? (or something like that) Perhaps Desmond DID go back in time and explain to Penny about the island and the button and she was looking for it? Or am I stretching this too far?
heres the question that i have the old lady in the shop says to him were all dead if you dont go and push that button... since they stoped pushing the button how the hell is penny even there to look or those guys on the boat in Antaritica.. everything after the explosion i assume is the present future, if that is true and desmond knows whats up for the rest of his life up untill the present or is he just immediatly transported back to present time on the island?
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Any chance that Donovan was one of the atric researchers in the season 2 finale?
I thought that too but i doubt it because Donovan apeared to be from India, the people in the finale spoke portugese or something
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Any chance that Donovan was one of the atric researchers in the season 2 finale?
I thought that too but i doubt it because Donovan apeared to be from India, the people in the finale spoke portugese or something

as much i would like for this theory to be true, i just dont think it is. i think penny knows about the anamoly because her father told her. i think that after all of these years, her father finally realizes that he is the man that penny is suppose to be with. purhaps he doesnt know exactly where the island is, or does and just doesnt tell her, but the gives her a clue into finding desmond. i just dont think that he went back into the past. i think that maybe after the hatch exploded, the others got ahold of him, made up this dream for him just so he would give up on getting off of the island. the old woman tells him that with out him pushing the button, everyone will die. calvin was pushing the button well before desmond got there and desmond killed him. so if desmond never went to the island, then calvin was just going to be the one that pushed the button. also, if not pushing the button means the end of the world, wouldnt other people know about this (it seemed like ben knew about the button when he was in the hatch with locke). would they just leave it all up to desmond and not even watch him? what if desmond dropped dead? would the button not get pushed and everyone would die? hes not going to live forever, there had to be some type of back up plan. so, i think that, but then again, the hatch blew up, so someone wasnt watching as close as they should have been or desmond was there to save the world every 108 minutes. everytime i think i'm on to something, something else counter-acts it, crap.

I am still in belief that Pen was able to obtain information from her father's company about the island and it's electromagnetic possibilities. However, I think the focus on the character of Donovon in FBYE and the fact that the writers made it very clear that he is a physicist could make it very plausible that the search for Desmond is a Penelope/Donovon collaboration. The writers focus, through dialogue, on characters that do not have a large role in the shows plot-at-large.

either way you figure she found out how to locate Desmond it would prove that he is indeed traveling through time, or at least did this one time, otherwise no one would know about the Island or the hatch, not Penny nor his friend. But the picture I think is key. There is only one, and so there are either two timelines or Desmond figures out how to trigger his trips through time and goes back to tell Penny how to find him and gives her the picture, but cant stay and do it right this time because he has to go back again to the island to continue pushing the button, but this way he has left himself an out and a solution to both problems. I need to go back to the time when she is trying to talk him out of going on the boat race around the world and see if there is anything there. Why are they talking again at that point if they broke it off so long ago, and he is determined to go; could it be because he knows he needs to get to the island?

That makes sense. That would explain how Penny has desmond's picture of them in front of the marina....

I thought that too. Desmond told his friend about time travel and asked if it was possible and i;m sure he mentioned an island to him and pushing numbers into a computer. If Des did travel back in time, surely when Des goes missing later on during his boat trip, Penny may have asked round his friends and maybe the friend remembered what he had said !