So the background they chose for their photo had the harbor...

but no Opera House...???:confused:

Thanks Tabby. I thought it was just me. Wasn't that picture of the Sydney Opera house? I was thinking that would be the background they chose. Does this mean this memory is false or that at some point their fates were changed?

If the backgrounds are in fact different, I'd take that as their fates are changing. I'd guess they're going to continue reliving these moments until they get it right, then the background will be correct.

OMG, I thought I was going crazy. I could have sworn that the background of the picture was Sydney. What the heck is going on?

Thank you, pace, the Voice of Reason. :)

I don't know what it means....

But I think it means that it's a Reality Warp...

It also means that when Jack first got into the Swan Hatch...and glanced at that photo...it meant something. (of course, back then, it was a different actress and opposite color shirt, but you know...)...

I am so in love with LOST. :8:
100%
OH! I just thought of something...since I am on the Reality Warp bandwagon...

When was the Opera House built? I guess the Time Warpage includes someone's memory of Sydney before it was built...

Maybe?

anyone have the screencaps of both pictures?

The original photos showed were the Honolulu skyline; those two buildings by the marina are distinctively shaped.
What some called the Sydney Opera House was actually a cloud formation behind the buildings.

Oh my God! Its just like Back To The Future!

"Look Doc, see my sister?! Class of '84!"

Good eye. I thought it looked off somehow.

Note the distinctively shaped buildings
Honolulu marina and skyline (from a stock photo, not Lost (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/205012/2/istockphoto_205012_at_dock.jpg)
Original Des/Pen photo (before actress was cast) (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=39&pos=0)
Des/Pen photo by Penny's bed (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1409)

Photo being taken in Flash Before Your Eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647)
Des's pic in Flash Before Your Eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=751)

I was wondering if anyone would mention this or if I was just going crazy. When the photographer was pulling down the backgrounds I said, "Sydney!" to my friend because I was expecting them to choose that one. I'm confused.

Does anyone have a pic of the new photo?

Does anyone have a pic of the new photo?

I edited my post above to include links to caps from this episode.

Yay!! I'm not losing my mind. Thanks to all of you for reaffirming my "uh, wtf" moment in tonight's episode.

I thought it was Sydney's Opera house too, but alas, it was not.

Note the distinctively shaped buildings
Honolulu marina and skyline (from a stock photo, not Lost (http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/205012/2/istockphoto_205012_at_dock.jpg)
Original Des/Pen photo (before actress was cast) (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=39&pos=0)
Des/Pen photo by Penny's bed (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1409)

Photo being taken in Flash Before Your Eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647)
Des's pic in Flash Before Your Eyes (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=751)

Ok, what the heck. That is so weird that so many of us thought we saw the Opera House. :confused: I'm a little scared.

I'm still wondering how both Des & Pen both ended up with copies since they only bought one, then broke up.
Des pocketed the one they bought. Where did Penny's come from?

Well, comrades;)

I just deleted a post and was about to give up on LOST (after earlier, rating the epi as a "10")...

Sorry, lostmio...but that photo of Despenny had the Opera House in it....

Until tonight. As far as I know, anyway.

Which is probably a major LOST clue.

It's a Reality Warp...and things are changing under our feet.

First - thanks for posting the links to all the pictures!! What a drastic change!!

This is what crossed my mind when they were doing the picture scene tonight: What if they are making up their reality and then feeding it back to them falsely.

Sort of like Karl was being brainwashed to believe all the "bunk" they were feeding to him through the video, what if they were "feeding" Desmond the reality they wanted him to have - "You were destined to push the button", etc. Except they don't pay attention to the minute details of whether the picture was taken in Sydney or Miami,etc. Because if you look at the picture they took in FB - it's a terrible background!

However, that may mean that Penny is not one of the "good guys".

Anyway, that's what popped into my mind!!

I'm still wondering how both Des & Pen both ended up with copies since they only bought one, then broke up.
Des pocketed the one they bought. Where did Penny's come from?

Thank you i honestly thought i was the only one who noticed that i thought it was a real picture at first but then after tonights ep. i wasnt sure if i had really saw the picture in the season 2 ender

Sorry, lostmio...but that photo of Despenny had the Opera House in it....

Until tonight. As far as I know, anyway.

Which is probably a major LOST clue.

It's a Reality Warp...and things are changing under our feet.

I don't understand this. You think they've gotten to Gertie and Lost-Media, too :confused: ??
For what it's worth, I think the cloud bank in the first pic was giffed in, to look like the Opera House, before they had the Pen/Des story line fully developed, just in case they needed a Sydney setting.
But I don't think Gertie's switched out the pics since Orientation. What's posted on Lost-Media is what's always been there.

I guess we're all losing our minds. :coco:

I don't understand this. You think they've gotten to Gertie and Lost-Media, too :confused: ??
No. Short version: that's not what I meant.

Unless the speculated "writers' alternate reality meshed with the Losties' reality" theory pans out....;)

All I meant was that the previous showings of that photo in epis showed the Opera House (although I could be mistaken. please see below).

And in S3/FBYE...no Opera House.

So either the viewers fell for suggestion of an Opera House that was never there, or Des/Penny subsequently (or previously) chose another photo background that had the Opera House.

Or, there's a Time Anomaly/Reality Warp/Alternate Dimension/Memory-FB Discrepancy thing goin' on.

Or something.;)

No. Short version: that's not what I meant.

Unless the speculated "writers' alternate reality meshed with the Losties' reality" theory pans out....;)

All I meant was that the previous showings of that photo in epis showed the Opera House (although I could be mistaken. please see below).

And in S3/FBYE...no Opera House.

So either the viewers fell for suggestion of an Opera House that was never there, or Des/Penny subsequently (or previously) chose another photo background that had the Opera House.

Or, there's a Time Anomaly/Reality Warp/Alternate Dimension/Memory-FB Discrepancy thing goin' on.

Or something.;)

I'm feeling the same way you are Tabby. When they showed Des and Pen in front of that background, I was thinking, "wait, that's not the right backgound. What the heck are they trying to pull." But the photographic evidence is against us. They are really messing with our minds, not just Desmond's! Who will they get to next!? :fear3:

Penny's not even wearing the same clothes. In the old pic she's wearing white and the new one she's wearing black.

The photos are definitely different as far as details go, but still no opera house.
It's like one of those games with two photos and you have to determine what the differences are between the two. :D

Des and Penny posing in front of the background. (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x08-flashes/3/flashes-cap648.jpg)

Actual pic in FBYE (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x08-flashes/4/flashes-cap743.jpg)

Original non-edited photo from Orientation (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season2/2x03-orientation/7/orientation-cap321.jpg)

It's amazing how the brain can play tricks on you. :dizzy:

lostmio...no, I didn't mean that lost-media switched out pics.

It's just that to my recollection, on LOST, in previous epi's, that photo showed the Opera House. I could be wrong or misled, of course.

Ugh. LOST.

ETA Thanks, briar (cross-posted). I think I will explore other Wednesday evening options from now on. ;)

I edited my post above to include links to caps from this episode.

thanks lm!

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I think I will explore other Wednesday evening options from now on. ;)

TABBY!!! STOP SAYING THAT, YOU GIVE ME A HEART ATTACK EACH TIME!! :eek2:

Sorry, lostmio...but that photo of Despenny had the Opera House in it....As someone who squealed with delight (well, in a manly way) when the very first photo showed up, with what I immediately recognized as the marina behind the Ilikai on the west end of Waikiki (with the Hawaii Prince Hotel towers in the background), I can assure you... the Desmond/Penny photo never contained the Sydney Opera House.

In fact, in tonight's episode, I laughed out loud at the fake backdrops... because it was obviously the only way they were going to have their photo taken in Honolulu without -- you know -- being in Honolulu!

As someone who squealed with delight (well, in a manly way) when the very first photo showed up, with what I immediately recognized as the marina behind the Ilikai on the west end of Waikiki (with the Hawaii Prince Hotel towers in the background), I can assure you... the Desmond/Penny photo never contained the Sydney Opera House.

In fact, in tonight's episode, I laughed out loud at the fake backdrops... because it was obviously the only way they were going to have their photo taken in Honolulu without -- you know -- being in Honolulu!


Thanks for the confirmation. :) It is really strange though, that so many of us thought that the Opera house was in the picture.

I think part of it was that all the Losties spent some time in australia.

As someone who squealed with delight (well, in a manly way) when the very first photo showed up, with what I immediately recognized as the marina behind the Ilikai on the west end of Waikiki (with the Hawaii Prince Hotel towers in the background), I can assure you... the Desmond/Penny photo never contained the Sydney Opera House.

In fact, in tonight's episode, I laughed out loud at the fake backdrops... because it was obviously the only way they were going to have their photo taken in Honolulu without -- you know -- being in Honolulu!

Randy - thanks for the confirmation. I thought we had concluded that it was clouds not the Opera House about a year ago but apparently not.
I'm glad the writers gave you a chuckle tonight. 8^)

There was no opera house in the original picture there isn't one in the FBYE picture either. Yes, the background is different but its only a few different boats and not as many clouds in the sky! This is just a production error. It isn't some big clue.

Haven't seen the ep yet, but I couldn't resist looking at some of the new threads, and I tell you what this one made me think of (apart from Back to the Future, but someone beat me to it) - the Lawyer's office with Michael and Susan. Never seen the screencaps but I've read talk that in some scenes you can see the Towers and in others you can't. Might that be what this is all about - different iterances of the same scene, where the Opera House or the Towers were or were not present. Though that would mean in the FUTURE the Opera House isn't going to be there, because it was built in the 60s so I don't think the scene could be from BEFORE it was built.

Amazing how so many of us thought "Opera House". I think it was because we're looking for an Australia connection for everyone, and possibly because we originally saw the picture much smaller on our TVscreens. A series of white lumps in the background means Opera House to many of us... if we don't live in Hawaii and know that harbor.

The first thing I noticed was that Penny's head were in two different angles on two the pictures :P

I think I will explore other Wednesday evening options from now on. ;)

What!?! Then what will the rest of us do after the show -- look at shoes on eBay?

I think you caught something legitimate. Forget about the opera house. The bottom line is that the picture was meant to look different, and somehow set-up or fake or surreal. The lighting, the pose, the different backdrops, the stage equipment -- those are not elements you'd expect from a candid snapshot of a romantic afternoon at the harbor, as the real picture suggested. The giveaway was the different background options. Wasn't there one of Ayers Rock, or whatever that place Isaac thhe healer was at? I'm not sure what this means, but it's got something to do with memory and what seems to me to be someone (or something) messing with Desmond's mind and with his sense of reality. He may even be symbolically representing things as a way of figuring things out, not quite aware of what hee's doing. Maybe we should analyze the elements like we would a dream. The reality is that the picture he started out with, the one we saw independently on Penny's night table, and the one he had at the end were not the picture he remembered being taken in his jumbled head. That's telling us something about his memory, I think. Something or someone is messing with it.

l. I think I will explore other Wednesday evening options from now on. ;)

I'm not a shipper and usually dislike romantic story lines but any show that gives us a hunk like Des in a romantic moment like this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=645) will keep me hooked for long time... makes Skate, Jate, Jacket et al look like a bunch of middle-school puppy crushers.
The scene was exquisite, I'm not at all ruffled by the photo controversy.

Oh my God! Its just like Back To The Future!

"Look Doc, see my sister?! Class of '84!"

Good eye. I thought it looked off somehow.


It's EXACTLY like Back To The Future, which I don't think is coincidental.

t is common experience that human memory may be unreliable to some degree, whether by failing to remember at all or by remembering incorrectly.

If a person remembers an event that lacks another witness or corroborative physical evidence, the validity of the memory may be questioned—but not dismissed. It might be said that absence of evidence does not in fact constitute the non-existence of evidence, but validation has the highest priority. For instance, one might say that they have witnessed scores of an enemy army over the hillside. As difficult as it may be to disprove such a statement outright, the statement cannot be validated until the enemy army is actually validated by corroborating witnesses.

Visual memory is a part of memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory) preserving some characteristics of our senses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senses) pertaining to visual experience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_perception). We are able to place in memory information that resembles objects, places, animals or people in sort of a mental image. Some authors refer to this experience as an “our mind's eye” through which we can retrieve from our memory a mental image of the original object, place, animal or person.


Footnote:Were not excluding anything until we know for sure than even ONE person stands up and claim they ACTUALLY remeber seeing the opera house..id be that one ,but im afraid im just one of the others who just THOUGHT it was there....and no,i dont think theres a back story to pics backstory,or the original one was meant to ooze love and romance.on the contrary ,i beleive that was it concerning the pic.it couldnt be exactly the same with the original.identical.it just couldnt.the thing thats still unanswered is wether the different actor in white was there on purpose or by accident and due to pennys later cast add-in

I'm not a shipper and usually dislike romantic story lines but any show that gives us a hunk like Des in a romantic moment like this (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=645) will keep me hooked for long time... makes Skate, Jate, Jacket et al look like a bunch of middle-school puppy crushers.
The scene was exquisite, I'm not at all ruffled by the photo controversy.
Oh, I was mostly kidding.

Yeah, it was a great scene. And I couldn't believe it that they were in London for that photo, and the photographer pulled down those background screens.

We did see the Sydney Opera House outside someone's hotel room window (I think so, anyway) in another epi, but it's not important to look into it.;)

The only thing that intrigues me about this photo controversy is that the new Penny is wearing black, not white. There was a black/white "continuity error" with Ana-Lucia's top, as well (not to open that can of worms again). At the moment I think these kinds of things may just be "watercooler talk" but who knows, they could be more important. It's probably a PTB joke, because Penny IS wearing a white top under the black jacket/sweater that shows in the photo!
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=658

Well, I am definitely an "Opera House" person and was totally surprised by the back drop - I even loaded up my DivX episodes of season two - recorded as they aired, and sure enough it wasnt there.

It was just in my head. And other people's apparently.

Also, Penny's first photo we see (in the beginning of season two) has been changed in the DVD, but they obviously used a different acress in a different outfit. They edited the episode with "the new penny" so there would be no discrepancy about who she was or her top. So, in the canon of the show, her top is black in all photos. Know what I mean?

The screencap of the photo with her in a white top isn't canon anymore, as it was changed on the dvd once they hired an actress to play her.

They did the same thing with Frank Costanza on Seinfeld. His first appearance is a different actor, and Jerry Stiller came in and re-filmed the scenes for syndication.

I had been thinking about this as well. It could be a simple consistancy issue, or this alternate timeline/reality might explain this away in the future. How Penny has a copy of this photograph is also up for discussion in another open thread. Should be interesting if/how this is going to be addressed

so the white top actress NEVER existed!Cool!!!!:cool:

THis may be covered elsewhere, but isn't Desmond wearing a different outfit as well? The photo he has on the island, and that Penny has next to her bed shows him wearing either a jacket or scarf. Before the photo was taken in FBYE, Penny tells him to take something off (scarf?) because the scene is supposed to look warm. He's then only wearing a polo shirt - albeit same color as in all of the photos.

Sorry if this was already covered.

so the white top actress NEVER existed!Cool!!!!:cool:

No, I disagree with this idea. If this was only a case of casting Penny after the original prop photo was taken, why not have her wear identical clothes, pose as close as possible at the same angle, and smile showing her teeth so the substitution in the new photo would be more believable?

No, I disagree with this idea. If this was only a case of casting Penny after the original prop photo was taken, why not have her wear identical clothes, pose as close as possible at the same angle, and smile showing her teeth so the substitution in the new photo would be more believable?

um...i was being Sarcastic....:eek2:

With this whole time loop idea, it could be that Des was dating someone other than penny at one iteration and the changed :eek2:

(Probably not though)

pen,you mean hes taken two different pics on the same background??with two different dates of his?cool!!i like this idea !its more real life,calmer,down to earth..better than time travel and all hell s loose break! :}
but then again wed be watchin beverly hills !hahah!by the way,picture kelly in our island!or brenda!haha!theyd be the trophy 'others'.and bad*** dylan ,surfin his way to the same point where he started!!!priceless!!!

I think the pictures are so similar that differences are because of production errors, and are not deliberate.

The actual picture is the same from LTDA and last night, isn't it? And when TPTB went back and changed the photo in Orientation after Sonya was cast (on the DVD and repeats), they did away with any idea that there was another girl.

Wow, I also thought it was the Sidney Opera House. How weird.

Tabby, we saw the Opera House outside of Boone's hotel room in HAM and we saw it outside of AL's in TFTR.

Penny's not even wearing the same clothes. In the old pic she's wearing white and the new one she's wearing black.

You know, when I saw that the clothes and actress were different, a whole other thought crossed my mind. I think it's significant that the colors switch from BLACK and WHITE. That's a theme we've seen a few times now.

I'm now willing to believe that there was no error in the pictures and that in fact there's another version of this story for Desmond.

Hi all,

Please don't attack me for this idea, as I confess in advance, it could be a dumb one!

However, I could swear we saw a picture with the Opera House, and it seems really weird that so many others did too. Yet, the screencaps prove us wrong.
So my idea is this. Is it possible that we DID see that image on TV, however they filmed it in a way that when photographed off the screen, the image of the Opera House DOES NOT appear? Can anyone say if this is at least possible?

Thanks

Hi all,

Please don't attack me for this idea, as I confess in advance, it could be a dumb one!

However, I could swear we saw a picture with the Opera House, and it seems really weird that so many others did too. Yet, the screencaps prove us wrong.
So my idea is this. Is it possible that we DID see that image on TV, however they filmed it in a way that when photographed off the screen, the image of the Opera House DOES NOT appear? Can anyone say if this is at least possible?

Thanks

Ryan, who lives in Hawaii, says he knows exactly where in Hawaii the photo's background is located. It is not in Sidney, the opera house is not in the photo and never was.

Thanks, LostLaura, for the OH info!

Hi all,

Please don't attack me for this idea, as I confess in advance, it could be a dumb one!

However, I could swear we saw a picture with the Opera House, and it seems really weird that so many others did too. Yet, the screencaps prove us wrong.
So my idea is this. Is it possible that we DID see that image on TV, however they filmed it in a way that when photographed off the screen, the image of the Opera House DOES NOT appear? Can anyone say if this is at least possible?

Here's what I think it is: the power of suggestion, possibly combined with subliminal effects. Remember the large white clouds in one of the versions of that photo, and then the subsequent showing of the OH in unrelated scenes in other epi's (see LostLaura's earlier post).

I love TPTB (may they live long and prosper). But I would not be surprised if ONE FRAME of that photo had included the Opera House, or even the text "Sydney Opera House", visually camoflauged.

And furthermore, I think that the storytelling style of flashbacks vs. current time, putting subplots on the "back burner", leaving mysteries unexplained, multiple geographical locations, multitudes of characters, repetitious names, endless nicknames, many props, scenes with excrutiatingly detailed props, conflicting details in the story, unreliable characters, and vague dialogue are all part of a design to confuse us. :biggrin: Although, all of that may also be plot-related.

If you couple all of those diversionary tactics with subliminal messages...

:eek2:

No wonder LOST is so mysterious, impossible to understand, and almost too scary to watch!:biggrin:

I can definitely attest to seeing the opera house, then going back frame by frame in the original tv broadcasts of each episode it appeared in to spot it again - and it's not there. No subliminal messages, no images of it in the episode at all. Somehow, amazingly, we all assumed the white cloud formation behind the building was actually the opera house.

I think we all simply saw the picture, registered "Sydney" in our brians after seeing the cloud formation, then paid more attention to the actor and actress in the picture than the background. Then, when asked to focus on it again, we all noticed that no opera house was present. That's the only explanation I can come up with, because its certainly not in any of the episodes.

Strange, but true.

I can definitely attest to seeing the opera house, then going back frame by frame in the original tv broadcasts of each episode it appeared in to spot it again - and it's not there. No subliminal messages, no images of it in the episode at all. Somehow, amazingly, we all assumed the white cloud formation behind the building was actually the opera house.

I think we all simply saw the picture, registered "Sydney" in our brians after seeing the cloud formation, then paid more attention to the actor and actress in the picture than the background. Then, when asked to focus on it again, we all noticed that no opera house was present. That's the only explanation I can come up with, because its certainly not in any of the episodes.

Strange, but true.
You guys made me geek enough to load up the Orientation DVD and find the picture where Jack stares at it for a moment while Des runs off. Cloud formation off the building in the center background, not opera house. I would have sworn it was the Sydney Opera House until now.
It is truly amazing what the mind will "fill in" - knowing all the participants originated in Sydney, and just connecting the visual dots to perceive the opera house in the backgroud. But of course Desmond's path didn't take him to Sydney, so why should we have assumed he had been there?
I'll have to watch the news more carefully now, but that's another story.

You know, when I saw that the clothes and actress were different, a whole other thought crossed my mind. I think it's significant that the colors switch from BLACK and WHITE. That's a theme we've seen a few times now.

I'm now willing to believe that there was no error in the pictures and that in fact there's another version of this story for Desmond.

Another version of the story only understood by people who watched the original Orientation and remembered that "Penny" was wearing white in the photo? What about people who only watched the repeat or DVD version of Orientation? Do you think it's likely that this would be used as a storyline when only obsessive fans even noticed?!

Another version of the story only understood by people who watched the original Orientation and remembered that "Penny" was wearing white in the photo? What about people who only watched the repeat or DVD version of Orientation? Do you think it's likely that this would be used as a storyline when only obsessive fans even noticed?!

The old photo that was replaced with Sonya will never be mentioned or seen again on air. It is as if it never happened. No storyline will ever be based on that replaced photo. It was just a prop, a stand in, for when they actually cast the role of Penny. The white shirt/black shirt change was either a production error or an easter egg on the black/white theme for those paying careful attention.

Since many of us think that the white clouds in the photo were mis-remembered as being the Opera House...

Take a look at the screen (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=640)that the photographer pulled down (no clouds)

Here's Despenny (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647) posing in front of the screen (no clouds)

Here's Des running after photo was taken (clouds in London) (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=686)

Here's the photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=742)"immediately" after hatch implosion (clouds)

Here's the another photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=751)"immediately" after hatch implosion (clouds--note clouds on the Island too)

Here's the photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=124), after hatch implosion, when Claire asked Des about photo (clouds)

So is Des superimposing the clouds onto the photo with his mind/memory? Is he practicing "making something happen" (like bringing Penny to him)? Or is this a clue that his past and present are blending? Or what?

Thoughts?

Since many of us think that the white clouds in the photo were mis-remembered as being the Opera House...

Take a look at the screen (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=640)that the photographer pulled down (no clouds)

Here's Despenny (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647) posing in front of the screen (no clouds)

Here's Des running after photo was taken (clouds in London) (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=686)

Here's the photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=742)"immediately" after hatch implosion (clouds)

Here's the another photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=751)"immediately" after hatch implosion (clouds--note clouds on the Island too)

Here's the photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=124), after hatch implosion, when Claire asked Des about photo (clouds)

So is Des superimposing the clouds onto the photo with his mind/memory? Is he practicing "making something happen" (like bringing Penny to him)? Or is this a clue that his past and present are blending? Or what?

Thoughts?

Minor production error.

I'm still wondering how both Des & Pen both ended up with copies since they only bought one, then broke up.
Des pocketed the one they bought. Where did Penny's come from?
From Desmond's REAL past. The one where he doesn't break up with her right then and there due to knowing him and Penny aren't meant to be.

Since many of us think that the white clouds in the photo were mis-remembered as being the Opera House...

Take a look at the screen (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=640)that the photographer pulled down (no clouds)

Here's Despenny (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647) posing in front of the screen (no clouds)

Here's Des running after photo was taken (clouds in London) (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=686)

Here's the photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=742)"immediately" after hatch implosion (clouds)

Here's the another photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=751)"immediately" after hatch implosion (clouds--note clouds on the Island too)

Here's the photo on the Island (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=124), after hatch implosion, when Claire asked Des about photo (clouds)

So is Des superimposing the clouds onto the photo with his mind/memory? Is he practicing "making something happen" (like bringing Penny to him)? Or is this a clue that his past and present are blending? Or what?

Thoughts?

I never noticed the clouds, but the rigging lines (upper right corner) on the photo Des has on the island, which are missing on the artists backdrop, is either a MAJOR error, or a big clue that none of it happens that way.

When you look at the bedside photo Penny has (LTDA), the pic is 'conveniently' cropped by her frame, so you cant tell if she has the rigging-less photo that Des has, or the fake backdrop one.

I would bet....that they took a photo like that, on a real boat, in a real harbor, once upon a time...DUN dun dunnnn

I would bet....that they took a photo like that, on a real boat, in a real harbor, once upon a time...DUN dun dunnnn


There it is 2 different pics, ockham's razor slapping us all right in the face. I've always thought that there were 2 different pictures how else could she have one while des has one on the island