The ring gets tossed into the water by Desmond (who is trying to prevent destructive things from happening if he chooses the ring).

Furthermore, Desmond is trying to save Charlie (the dude who really WAS a hobbit in LOTR)! Priceless!:biggrin:

Actually I thought of LOTR when I saw that scene but it reminded me of the scene where the ring sinks into the water from Isildor's finger and leads him to his death. The ring betrayed Isildor, so is the old lady represented by the ring trying to betray Desmond by telling him he can't escape his fate?

Nice link.

I'm just waiting for the scene where some other lostaway finds the ring . . .

Which makes me wonder, will someone else, possibly another lostie have found the ring that was tossed in the water like gollum found the One Ring?

I think the ultimate twist of fate will result in that ring somehow washing up on the shores of the island itself... Think of Sun and her temporary missing ring, now this?

Perhaps the ring washing up on shore will be the final "push" for Desmond to overcome his so-called cowardice? (Not that I think he is a coward, but he clearly is affected by the perception of others to believe his is one).

ok, now this is pushing it!

Actually I thought of LOTR when I saw that scene but it reminded me of the scene where the ring sinks into the water from Isildor's finger and leads him to his death.


I said the exact same thing. Was the ring sinking into the water shot for shot? I'll have to watch FOTR again...

I said the exact same thing. Was the ring sinking into the water shot for shot? I'll have to watch FOTR again...

I think it just matched the look of the ring floating down.

Love your sig by the way. ;) I'm honoured.

That ring is coming back somehow, sometime...

I'm just waiting for the scene where some other lostaway finds the ring . . .

Yes, My Precious! LOL :biggrin:

Which makes me wonder, will someone else, possibly another lostie have found the ring that was tossed in the water like gollum found the One Ring?
Great catch. I would see Ben finding the ring because, after all, he reminds me most of Gollum. :biggrin:

The ring gets tossed into the water by Desmond (who is trying to prevent destructive things from happening if he chooses the ring).

Furthermore, Desmond is trying to save Charlie (the dude who really WAS a hobbit in LOTR)! Priceless!:biggrin:

thats interesting and knowing the writers of this show, who knows.... could be true.

either way, i still had to have a little chuckle thinking about desmond saving charlie, 'the hobbit' lol

Great catch. I would see Ben finding the ring because, after all, he reminds me most of Gollum. :biggrin:

In that case, you'd love this. Have you seen it: LOTR meets Lost (http://www.lostvideo.net/viewvid.php?vidid=3507)

Interestingly enough, Ben is Gollum and Charlie is Frodo. :biggrin:

Yeah, I caught that. I immediately thought, "Who will be their Gollum?"
So, LOTR references here, along with a big dose of Total Recall. And last week, A Clockwork Orange. Is Lost turning into Epic Movie?

Wow, I didn't even think of LOTR in that scene. There was a scene way back in season one that makes me think of LOTR every time. It's in The Moth when Charlie throws the drugs in the fire.

In a related note, in this week's Podcast Damon and Carlton were joking about Tuft's students getting credit for watching Lost...anyway, part of the joke was that the secret word was "Frodo"

That Damon is a wiley cuss

Yes, I definitely caught it. Very clever!

I immediately thought of Lord of the rings, but never really think that those kinds of things are a reference. Perhaps they are but, I don't see them that way, just me!
Great video by the way, very funny. Especially Ben as Gollum and Jack was very funny as well.

I think Charlie should go back to his addict stage, which was very Gollum like, but he'll find the ring over some of it! Then he'll go "My.....precious" while holding the drugs but the ring as well. Then when he puts it on, he wakes up as Merry from LOTR. There's an episode cliffhanger for you

I haven't seen anyone mentioning it yet, but there was a seemingly parallel drawn with Gandalf and Desmond. Remember that when Gandalf faced the Balrog, he fought it to the death (both died). I don't remember how he worded it (I'll consult my copy later), but he talked about his experience after death and if I recall correctly, discussed time in it.

But the important thing is that when he came back to the real world, he was lying naked on the ground and had new found powers. Now who does that sound like?

This parallel goes pretty far as it was Gandalf who stayed behind to fight the Balrog so the others could escape (like Desmond with the key). I don't know how far they will carry the connection, but Gandalf is very central to helping the forces of good win. With Desmond's new powers, I suspect he will become very Gandalf-like.

So explain to me again how some crappy engagement ring is somehow equal (or comparable) to Sauron's One Ring??

IMO, Desmond's gift to Penny has no connection to LOTR other then the fact that he cast it into water "kind of" like in LOTR (I say "kind of" since no one really threw the ring in.....it "accidentally" fell in). Plus, throwing rings into water, chasms, or firey mountains is not an LOTR-specific occurence.

How you make the connection that this ring somehow holds some sort of significance beyond being a connection between Desmond and Penny is over my head.

Now, if the ring had a DIRECT connection to Desmond turning the key (which it doesn't) I might think differently because then it would have an effect on the fate of everyone else (which it doesn't). The engagement ring is more a means to an extreme, he takes it to be defiant to the jewler, the impression that I get from watching the jewler at first is that in the "real" past Desmond never left the store with the ring which makes it insignificant in the end. In this "past" he gets further with his plan to marry Pen but in the end (like all of Desmonds "ends") he will wind up on that Island either way. He throws it into the water out of frustration, he is not gaining or loosing anything by doing such (except for the physical ring), which is the EXACT opposite of what casting The One Ring into Orodriun was, on the other hand, essential to the survivial of an entire world of beasts & people.

So no.....I didn't think of LOTR when I see that.....I think of a frustrated, sad man throwing the thing that reminds him of his love somewhere where it cannot be reached or found.

Yeah, that bit reminded me of LOTR too! But I couldn't pin-point a certain part of any of the 3 films that it reminded me of because I haven't seen them in a while.
And yup, I also immediately thought of the magic word being Frodo (from the Podcast) :biggrin:
I'll have to watch LOTR again, I keep planning on watching it again but I always seem to forget. When I do, I'll come back with something a bit more worth posting! :biggrin:

So explain to me again how some crappy engagement ring is somehow equal (or comparable) to Sauron's One Ring??

IMO, Desmond's gift to Penny has no connection to LOTR other then the fact that he cast it into water "kind of" like in LOTR (I say "kind of" since no one really threw the ring in.....it "accidentally" fell in). Plus, throwing rings into water, chasms, or firey mountains is not an LOTR-specific occurence.

How you make the connection that this ring somehow holds some sort of significance beyond being a connection between Desmond and Penny is over my head.

Now, if the ring had a DIRECT connection to Desmond turning the key (which it doesn't) I might think differently because then it would have an effect on the fate of everyone else (which it doesn't). The engagement ring is more a means to an extreme, he takes it to be defiant to the jewler, the impression that I get from watching the jewler at first is that in the "real" past Desmond never left the store with the ring which makes it insignificant in the end. In this "past" he gets further with his plan to marry Pen but in the end (like all of Desmonds "ends") he will wind up on that Island either way. He throws it into the water out of frustration, he is not gaining or loosing anything by doing such (except for the physical ring), which is the EXACT opposite of what casting The One Ring into Orodriun was, on the other hand, essential to the survivial of an entire world of beasts & people.

So no.....I didn't think of LOTR when I see that.....I think of a frustrated, sad man throwing the thing that reminds him of his love somewhere where it cannot be reached or found.

For a writer/author/musician/artist/creator to draw inspiration from or pay homage to something that inspired them doesn't require them to replicate. You could do a case study on Dave Matthews for an example. You will often find lyrics thrown into his music that are word for word and sometimes just VERY similar to music he has undoubtedly been inspired by. It is the symbolism and the likeness that is important. Sure Desmond wasn't hiding in the water from goblins while invisible due to the ring only to have it "slip" off and him get shot by many arrows and killed.

You can only draw so much inspiration from and create scenes drawing imagery from a source so much before it's just plain plagiarism. In this case, the scene was reminiscent enough that you COULD draw similarities yet enough different that it could also be written up as coincidence. Unless the creative team steps forward and admits it as such, we will never know. That includes you.

For a writer/author/musician/artist/creator to draw inspiration from or pay homage to something that inspired them doesn't require them to replicate. You could do a case study on Dave Matthews for an example. You will often find lyrics thrown into his music that are word for word and sometimes just VERY similar to music he has undoubtedly been inspired by. It is the symbolism and the likeness that is important. Sure Desmond wasn't hiding in the water from goblins while invisible due to the ring only to have it "slip" off and him get shot by many arrows and killed.

You can only draw so much inspiration from and create scenes drawing imagery from a source so much before it's just plain plagiarism. In this case, the scene was reminiscent enough that you COULD draw similarities yet enough different that it could also be written up as coincidence. Unless the creative team steps forward and admits it as such, we will never know. That includes you.

Well, I don't agree. No one said they had to replicate however like I said, throwing a random ring into a random body of water does not draw comparisons to LOTR IMO. I think the two Ring scenes (in Lost and LOTR) couldn't be more different, symbolicly and otherwise, one is about Free Will to throw a ring, the other is very, very far from that, some would say the opposite of free will (since Frodo has none in the end). To make a homage to something there needs to be SOME similarity (symbolicly and otherwise) and just because there is a ring involved does not make this so.

Now, if Desmond's ring accidently fell into the water (with no push from him)....that would be a more apt comparison/homage without exactly "replicating" circumstances. One could say that if the ring accidently fell in the water that Desmond would feel more hopeless about his fate since he might think that the "Universe" is trying to correct his purchase/stealing of the engagement ring (just like the jewler said of death, the universe corrects itself). Desmond taking his fate (the ring) into his own hands is not compareable or even a homage to Frodo, Gollum and the Ring IN MY OPINION.

I just feel that there are better comparisons to be had and that this one is very weak.

If you'd like to speak about say, the comparisons between Gandalf and Desmond I would be more ready to make that connection.

FertilityHollis,

That's the beauty of LOST...we can all watch and see something different. I clearly saw a reference to LOTR. We can all disagree and still enjoy the show. Cheers.