In the last episode of season 2, when the two men call Penelope about the EMP, she has the same picture of her and Desmond next to her bed. Where could she have gotten this picture from, since it was taken by a street photographer and Des has the only picture that they were given? I'm not sure if this is an oversight by the writers, or something important, but if it was intended, this could be interesting...

Great point. I think it illustrates that he indeed then did go back in time. Did Penny walk away with the picture in this epi?

But Des found the picture outside the hatch when he was naked and he also had the picture on the beach when Claire went to talk to him. If Penny got the picture in LTDA, then Des shouldn't have it now.

The picture is a clue.... We have to think How this photo came to Penelope. How and when?

Or....when she realized she had no pictures of her and Des....she went back to the street vendor and got another copy? It wasn't a Poloroid...so it's possible it could have been reproduced. I dunno....don't get me started on the Pen/Des photo...I had a whole problem with THAT thing when they actually changed actresses who were suppose to be playing Penny from the FIRST time De looked at the picture!!

It wasn't a Poloroid...so it's possible it could have been reproduced.

Doesn't the picture have to be a polaroid if the photographer takes the photo, pulls out a strip, gives it to Des and there's a picture a few seconds later?

Speaking of which, who would really pay 5 pounds for a quickie photo like that?

wow, didn't even think of this..... i'll have to think about it more. it's late ;)

Well, I think Penny and Desmond had to have seen each other again after he broke up with her because she slips that letter into his book. And she would of had to have moved all her stuff out of his place. Perhaps Desmond made a copy of the picture and left it for her?

Not to be a contrarian, but a very simple explanation? Most corner drugstores can make a reproduction from a print, some in under an hour.

Personally, I'm thinking this is another small bit of evidence that it wasn't time travel, but a really mixed up flashback (either due to his proximity to the EM anomaly when turning the key and/or the "island" appearing to him, just as Jack saw his dad, Kate saw her horse, etc.) where his "memories" are jumbled. I forget what interview it was in, but I recall the producers saying that Desmond's flashback would make you wonder if it was the result of a "mind fractured by the hatch implosion" or something similar.

um, Kinkos? i may be wrong, but didn't des take the picture and walk away as Penny paid the photographer? maybe she paid for a second print....or maybe not. but yeah, they definitely had to meet again because she had to move out.

The idea that Penny makes a copy of that photo doesn't entirely make sense, Des just broke up with her, I don't think the next thing she would do is decide to make a copy of the photo that commemorates their breakup.

"With enough money and determination..." :rolleyes:


The idea that Penny makes a copy of that photo doesn't entirely make sense, Des just broke up with her, I don't think the next thing she would do is decide to make a copy of the photo that commemorates their breakup.

That's what I was thinking.

Okay there are two simple explanations:

---The producers messed up
---Desmond saw Penny in the time between that break-up and getting sent to jail and she asked to copy the picture.

When I saw the picture that was taken by the photographer, it looked slightly different than the one that Desmond found next to the imploded hatch. Possibly the reason that they chose the background they did from the photographer was because they already had taken a picture against that cityscape in real life?

By the way, what city was that background?

I agree that Pen might give the picture to Des before his solo trip around the world.

As I watched the picture-taking scene, I chuckled because I could see that TPTB were trying to put the whole picture issue to bed.... But it appears another can of worms has opened up. The picture they take does look different from the final version in Des' hatch. So perhaps he'll relive this moment a few more times, take a few more pictures...

I wonder if the other two choices for backgrounds hold any signifigance? They show the snow background and she says, "I don't like the Alps"... (funny considering the final scene of LTDA finale had the snow scene). And the desert.... could that be Rose & Bernard's Australian desert - where the healer lives?

...By the way, what city was that background?

According to Randy, a native of Hawaii, it is "on the west end of Waikiki (with the Hawaii Prince Hotel towers in the background)"

Well, this scene wasn't the end of their relationship. After who knows how long, he enroled to the Royal Scots, he made a mistake, he was sentenced to prison... and she expected him to write to her... what he did! And she was there when he went away to rpison, because she had a chance to slip the letter into his book, and she knew about the mistake he made.

So in all that time they could reproduce the pic, make copies for everybody...

Having experience in the photograph production/printing field, I can attest that it is completely possible to create exact copies of any type of photograph with minimal equipment. Desmond could have had the image reproduced at any place, such as a drugstore (ie CVS, Walgreens). We know that the two had extensive contact after the photo was taken.

Yeah this is not the end of Penny and Des. I think the picture will be passed off later.

Interesting with all this time travel stuff-- it reminds me of the picture of Sarah Connor in Terminator.

Or....when she realized she had no pictures of her and Des....she went back to the street vendor and got another copy? It wasn't a Poloroid...so it's possible it could have been reproduced. I dunno....don't get me started on the Pen/Des photo...I had a whole problem with THAT thing when they actually changed actresses who were suppose to be playing Penny from the FIRST time De looked at the picture!!

Haha I remember that. When the girl in the photo looked like Sarah, and we were all like "Did Jack's wife cheat on him with Desmond??"
100%
Doesn't the picture have to be a polaroid if the photographer takes the photo, pulls out a strip, gives it to Des and there's a picture a few seconds later?

Speaking of which, who would really pay 5 pounds for a quickie photo like that?


I think it was a tourist-y area.. BigBen was right there. That's the only reason I can think of! Newlyweds would probably pay 5 pounds for a photo. :)


Oh, also in the picture we saw before there was an opera house in the background, but not in the picture we saw them take in this episode. Another hint, or a mess up?

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=69335

And was the guy who took the picture the same guy who delivered the package to 815 at the office building where Mr. Widmore worked?

Well, aparently the two pics look slightly different. So maybe one pic is from one path his life took, then he went back in time(this is just a theory, because personally i think it was all in his head) and now is making a separate picture.

Or maybe whole episode was created in his head by smokey(i tend to lean this way) who then in turn left him a photo to make him believe it really happened.
The reason the pic is slightly different is because smokey cannot know what it really looked like, he can only know how desmond remembered it looking. So if desmond forgot some facts about the picture, they would not be here when smokey extracts it from his mind and replecates it.

I wonder if the other two choices for backgrounds hold any signifigance? They show the snow background and she says, "I don't like the Alps"... (funny considering the final scene of LTDA finale had the snow scene). And the desert.... could that be Rose & Bernard's Australian desert - where the healer lives?

the first backdrop, the desert scene, was the framed landscape that was on the swan hatch wall before it imploded.

I wouldn't be surprised if we later learned that the photo actually had been taken at a harbor/marina/etc. The "flashbacks," in my opinion, largely never really happened.

The idea that Penny makes a copy of that photo doesn't entirely make sense, Des just broke up with her, I don't think the next thing she would do is decide to make a copy of the photo that commemorates their breakup. But Penny still loves him so I would think she'd want that picture, even if a sad exchange followed.

Yeah this is not the end of Penny and Des. I think the picture will be passed off later.

Interesting with all this time travel stuff-- it reminds me of the picture of Sarah Connor in Terminator. You beat me to it, Rodimus! What a great shout out to Terminator, where Reese holds her picture throughout dire peril, and then travels through time to meet her. And then we see the photograph of Sarah Connor being taken at the end of the movie while she is thinking of him.

Okay there are two simple explanations:

---The producers messed up
---Desmond saw Penny in the time between that break-up and getting sent to jail and she asked to copy the picture.
I think you missed the third (and the simplest) explanation: that what we saw last night was simply Desmond's jumbled memories as they "flashed before his eyes", and not time travel or an historically accurate flashback (as we assume the other FBs to date have been.)

I am holding on to the theory that Desmond's flashback was an island flashback and the events in the flashback didn't happen exactly like it really did, a dream sequence, or mind damage as a result of the key turn. Since that is what I am hoping happened, then there would have been 2 pictures and the scene was not as it was. Similar to when he thought the soccer team was going to win and the guy in the bar was going to come in with the cricket bat and then it was really the next night. History warped by the island.

Has anyone brought up Josh Holloway's comments about twins in the season 1 finale. Is it possible we are now seeing the results of different time lines or alternate universes overlapping?

What about the fact that the first time we see the picture in the Hatch, with the different acress, "Penny" is wearing white. In the picture taken yesterday as well as the picture Desmond holds and the one on Penny's nightstand she's wearing black. WTF? Another sloppy production error?

It was as if the whole thing was a projected memory or virtual model of an alternative reality using the powers of the island. Perhaps the jewelery shop lady was there to direct his actions as was the photographer. As soon as I saw him it seemed as if his attention was to get their attention and get this photo taken like it was his assignment. It just seemed like a setup and i would be interested in knowing if the photographer resembles any "other" the way the jeweler seemed to be one of the others from the preview . Maybe Widmore, Dharma and the rest have known about the future for some time and constantly have "players" out there trying to affect it. Anyway, the photo has to be taken because it must be a part of some future that Dharma is trying to fulfill. Maybe the real picture had been destroyed in the alternate future and in order to get Desmond to press the button and turn the key he had to have that picture to inspire him. Maybe Penny even knows about it because it was her that chose the background.

That's true if Penny sees Des later on she could have asked to make a copy of the picture, but do we know for sure that she sees him in between - while he's in the military. I don't think she sees him while he's in jail because she believes he didn't write to her.

Another interesting/random observation, in the background of this scene is world famous Globe theatre, which made me chuckle since Des came up with the line, we're trapped in a bloody snow globe :D

the first backdrop, the desert scene, was the framed landscape that was on the swan hatch wall before it imploded.

Back up the truck here... Are you serious??

the first backdrop, the desert scene, was the framed landscape that was on the swan hatch wall before it imploded.


Not sure if you are referring to the picture in the back of the shot on the below link (From season 2 finale before hatch implosion), but it appears to be a different picture.


http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1138


The link below is the desert scene from FBYE.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=635

I wondered as I watched the photo scene how Penny got a copy of the picture too but decided like several people here that she, evidently, got a copy from him at a later date.

Everyone with a pc and a scanner can copy a picture. I am not shocked by two pictures.

The way I interpreted it was that Desmond ending up with the picture at the end of the episode stood as proof to us that he did indeed go back and time and make some (subtle) changes. Seeing as Desmond broke things off with Penelope moments after the picture was taken, it does not seem plausible that either of them would be interested in making a copy of the photo. I think the producers want us to be asking: If this picture does show that Desmond's "time-travel" had an impact on the present time, what else could he have influenced?

Not sure if you are referring to the picture in the back of the shot on the below link (From season 2 finale before hatch implosion), but it appears to be a different picture.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1138

The link below is the desert scene from FBYE.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=635

well, dang. memory doesn't serve. too bad! here i was thinking it was another brilliant easter egg, furthering the complexity of the "memory or time loop" debate. but, no. oh well that's ok, because i couldn't figure out where the snow forest scene fit, in context of images aleady seen in the swan. thanks for the image proofs!

I can see Penny, as she's moving her stuff out, perhaps alone in the flat, seeing the picture tossed onto a table or something. She knows Des is ending things for the wrong reason, and maybe she loves him so much that she believes in the end, it will all work out. After all, she does apparently hire the Artic Men to find him, doesn't she? So the idea of two photos doesn't suggest a problem to me.

However, if I can indulge in a moment of speculation... say it IS the same photo. Might that, possibly, suggest that the moments in time for Penny With Photo By Bed and Desmond With Photo On Island After Waking From Flashbacky Thing are somehow incongruous? They seem to be taking place at the same time, considering we assume the Hatch implosion triggers the phone call to Penny... but maybe it really IS a bizarre Back to the Future/Terminator type time-isn't-what-we-think-it-is moment. Cool to ponder.

After their breakup, they clearly had some sort of intimate contact. Desmond did write her hundreds of letters and she did write him the letter that she left in his book. Both of them having a picture is nowhere near mystifying.

It's getting hard to differentiate between intentional stuff like the photo popping up in 2 places (if that was indeed intentional) and genuine mistakes on behalf of the producers. I wonder which of these the photo is.

When Desmond last met up with Mr. Widmore, he told him that Penny was getting married (but this could have been a lie). I just find it odd that Penny would have gotten married, and had a photo of her and Desmond on her nightstand, and even more odd that she would have a photo of her and Desmond on her nightstand AFTER getting married, divorcing her husband and being in the here and now. I guess we could assume that she never got married in the first place, and just waited for Desmond to return. But what if that phone call at the end of Season 2 didnt happen when Desmond turned the key on the island? What if that phone call took place before Desmond ever left for his race around the world? Then it might be possible that Penny had the photo, and gave it to Des before he left for his race....to remember them. That would leave the question to be..what did those guys holed up in the Arctic find??

Mr Widmore also told Desmond :

Actually, two presents. One of these boxes contains your past, Hume. The other, your future. Go ahead, open it.

The past being the unopened letters he sent Penny, the future was a box full of money. Funny how he mentions Desmond's present and past, and we get a flashback like this one!

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hehehe, Look up one post above yours, thats just what I said! LOL

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I wouldn't be surprised if we later learned that the photo actually had been taken at a harbor/marina/etc. The "flashbacks," in my opinion, largely never really happened.

...great idea - I love it.

unfortunately I don't think that's what will happen, but it would be a nice twist, indeed.

The photos and backgrounds are the same.

End of Season 2http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1409

Flashes Before Your Eyes:
On the beachhttp://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=124

Photo shoothttp://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647

How did she get the photo? Simple theories have been posted.
How did the ring get thrown in the river? In Desmond's first trip through time, he did not take the ring out of the antique shop.
When Desmond first looks at the photo (for the second time) he says to himself "I couldn't go through with it". He remembers what originally happened. Perhaps in his first "life" his relationship with Penny lasted longer, offering more opportunities for a copy to be made of the Polaroid. We do not know exactly what happened, the first time arround.

factual, you point out something that none of us had figured on (at least I hadn't) but you are right~ the chain of events that we saw in his flashback did not necessarily happen the way that we saw them. We saw Des walk away from Penny right after that picture was taken, but only after he was aware of what his destiny was supposed to be. It would seem that Des tried to win back Penny after they were already broken up and she was moving on (ie engaged to someone else). So why would we believe that he originally broke up with her for the same reason he broke up with her in FBYE? If he didn't know what his destiny was supposed to be at that moment (he didnt buy the ring that day the first time around) what would make us believe that he broke it off at that moment in the first place?

[quote=factual;1387942]The photos and backgrounds are the same.

End of Season 2http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1409

Flashes Before Your Eyes:
On the beachhttp://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=124

Photo shoothttp://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647



Has anyone or is there a thread going somewhere that these pictures above are not the same pics? Different lighting, des's 5:00 O'clock shadow and facial expressions from both. I'm sure it's pretty obvious and I am just saying what million other folks have said.

True, until Desmond actually looks at the picture right after its taken, its clearly the one we've all been looking at here (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=656)

Interesting to look at what Penny's letter to Des actually says:

"Dearest Des, I am writing this letter to you as you leave for prison. And I've hidden in the one place you would turn to in a moment of great desperation. I know you go away with the weight of what happened on your shoulders. And I know the only person who can ever take it off is you. Please don't give up, Des. Because all we really need to survive is one person who truly loves us. And you have her. I will wait for you. Always. I love you, Pen."

So, after the events of the flashback in FBYE, Des enlists in the Royal Scots, and then does something that gets him thrown in military prison -- and based on the "weight of what happened" line, the "something" is pretty serious, and it results in a dishonorable discharge. I would guess that his transgression involves Penny -- to me from the tone of the letter it appears that Des may have taken on the dishonor, and that Penny does not find what he did dishonorable. (Does anyone know if going AWOL would be sufficient to warrant a substantial time in military prison in the UK? -- if so, my money's on him going AWOL to see/help/save Penny.)

At the very least, the letter implies that despite Des trying to push Penny away, they must have had further interaction before he goes to prison, either before he inlists or while he's in the army. Their only contact after prison appears to have been in the parking lot outside the stadium before he meets Jack. So, since he leaves prison still in possession of the photo (its one of his 4 possessions returned to him when he leaves), the only time it could have been copied is during whatever interaction Penny and Des had after he told her the relationship was over, or while he was on duty/AWOL. Otherwise, the only way that there could be two copies is if there's time travel, or if the Island "manifested" the photo for him while he was in the hatch (interestingly, I don't think it's one of the things he places inside the plastic bag during the storm -- I think it's only the book, but maybe the photo's inside it?).

By the way, I don't think we have any definitive answer yet as to whether in the "flashback" Desmond would have even joined the Royal Scots. Seems to me that when he passed the recruitment office his reaction was pretty vague -- he could have been thinking "I seem to remember doing something like this before" (ie, the last time around, he went inside and joined up), or seeing the posters may have just planted the seed for him to join later. I tend to think it was the former, and that he was changing history yet again by not joining up.

The photos and backgrounds are the same.

End of Season 2http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1085&pos=1409

Flashes Before Your Eyes:
On the beachhttp://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=124

Photo shoothttp://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1250&pos=647

How did she get the photo? Simple theories have been posted.
How did the ring get thrown in the river? In Desmond's first trip through time, he did not take the ring out of the antique shop.
When Desmond first looks at the photo (for the second time) he says to himself "I couldn't go through with it". He remembers what originally happened. Perhaps in his first "life" his relationship with Penny lasted longer, offering more opportunities for a copy to be made of the Polaroid. We do not know exactly what happened, the first time arround.

You forgot one last picture. The original picture from the hatch at the beginning of season 2. Yes, the girl is different, but look at the background. It's the exact same.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=topn&cat=40&pos=0

Another explanation is that the pictures are the same one.

We see Des with it because he kept it with him. He keeps it throughout his entire ordeal in the military, in prison, on the boat, in the hatch, and after the implosion. He retains it with him.

The picture we see with Penny at the end of season 2 is the same picture, but at a different time. Des and Penny do get back together. The brief glimpse we see of Penny is not during the same timeframe but later. Somehow Des leaves the island and gets back with Pen. Pen and Des are now searching for the Losties who did not or were not able to leave the island (Jack, Charlie, .or someone else).

This explanation is simple and does not violate any know laws of physics (time dilation and wormholes). TPTB never told us "when" in the timeline of the story that we saw Pen and Ice Station Zebra.

Another explanation is that the pictures are the same one.

We see Des with it because he kept it with him. He keeps it throughout his entire ordeal in the military, in prison, on the boat, in the hatch, and after the implosion. He retains it with him.

The picture we see with Penny at the end of season 2 is the same picture, but at a different time. Des and Penny do get back together. The brief glimpse we see of Penny is not during the same timeframe but later. Somehow Des leaves the island and gets back with Pen. Pen and Des are now searching for the Losties who did not or were not able to leave the island (Jack, Charlie, .or someone else).

This explanation is simple and does not violate any know laws of physics (time dilation and wormholes). TPTB never told us "when" in the timeline of the story that we saw Pen and Ice Station Zebra.

If the Ice Station storyline takes place after current day events on the island, what causes the "electromagnetic anomaly" now that the Swan hatch has been destroyed?

Anyway, in the FBYE podcast, Carlton and Damon address the two photos in way that suggests it has something to do with Des' actions during the "flashback" sequence:


Carlton: Did he really go back? Or is that still questionable? What are the implications of his vision? Will he be able to harness this power?

Damon: It wasn’t really quite a flashback in the conventional sense of the way that we do flashbacks on the show. This is more the experience he had when he turned the failsafe key. And obviously, as evidenced by certain future memories that he’s having during his flashback, for the first time in the history of the show we actually allowed a character to have an opportunity to make a different choice than they made before, and Desmond doesn’t. He is course corrected by a certain mysterious older lady in a ring shop.

Carlton: What does this mean?

Damon: Did it really happen? Yeah, I think it really happened. One of the things that we try very rarely to do on the show is to play something as only having been imagined or dreamed. I would say in the global sense of things that Desmond -- back in the year 1996 – actually had that experience. Now, I would venture to guess that in future flashbacks of Desmond’s that they would be treated as traditional flasbacks where he doesn’t really have any awareness of his destiny. In this particular instance we went outside the box a little.

Carlton: Right, I think it’s entirely possible that he can have a traditional flashback story, as well.

Damon:I think what’s interesting is there are certain things that happen that he changed as the result of being in the past that might sort of resonate over time, like getting hit in the face instead of the bartender. Or the the fact that the photograph of he and Penny got taken on the day that he broke up with her. Maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs? Maybe there was a two-fer. That would explain how she got one.


Of course, what I don't understand is


how the possibility of different "incarnations" works in the context of this show. Now that Des went back in time and they took the photo on a different day, does Pen's photo no longer exist or are there now two separate timelines, one in which her photo does exist and one in which it doesn't? If it's the latter, and Des' changes had any other effects, which timeline is the show Lost now following?

The pictures are the same photo - I think.

Check out this quote from the latest Podcast:

Carlton: Right, I mean it’s entirely possible that he can have a traditional flashback as well.
Damon: Absolutely, what’s interesting is that there are certain things that happened the way they used to happen that he changed as a result of being in the past, that might sort of resonate over time, like getting hit in the face instead of the bartender, or the fact that the photograph of he and penny got taken the day they broke up. Maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs, that would explain how she got one.

Damon and Carlton also assured the viewers the "flashback" was not a dream and actually did happen (meaning he was actually doing what he did in the episode back in 1997).

In my opinion, Penny is looking for Desmond on a "secret island" because Desmond told his friend Donovan all about it. Then Donovan told Penny after he went missing.

Basically, Desmond went back and changed his own timeline so that they could all be saved (or at least, Penny or someone could find him).

I think think the whole argument is rediculous. We saw from s2ep03 http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-47263 that desmond has a copy and from s2ep24 http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-71554 that penny has a copy. It's not to hard to come to the conclusion that they had a copy made.

In the last episode of season 2, when the two men call Penelope about the EMP, she has the same picture of her and Desmond next to her bed. Where could she have gotten this picture from, since it was taken by a street photographer and Des has the only picture that they were given? I'm not sure if this is an oversight by the writers, or something important, but if it was intended, this could be interesting...

They might have taken it to a pharmacy and copied it on that picture maker thingy:biggrin: .

The pictures are the same photo - I think.

Check out this quote from the latest Podcast:

Damon: ... Maybe in another incarnation there were two photographs, that would explain how she got one.



I think there's definitely something to Damon's quote in that podcast. My initial thought after the episode aired was that Penny took the photo in "real life," which is why she had it in the plane. Then, as we know, when Desmond went "back" after the hatch exploded, he slightly altered the course of events that landed him on the island. And in that second course of events, he was the one who ended up with the photo. I think it's entirely possible that there were two versions of the same photo -- one from each of the two series of events. Penny has the photo from "real life" and Desmond has the photo from when he went "back" in time. Since the end result was the same -- Desmond is on the island and Penny is in a plane searching for him -- I don't think it matters that they arrived at that resulting situation through two different series of events. And then it would make sense that Penny may not even remember Desmond's second course of events but only has a recollection of what happened in "real life" to give her the photo and put Desmond on the island.

Well, to me it seems like it was done on purpose. Desmond travels back in time in this episode? So he could travel back in time again in a future episode and give the photo to Penny, and told her about the magnetic anamoly when he turned the failsafe. So she keeps the photo with her and is looking for the anamoly so she can find desmond.

I'm sorry if someone already posted something like this. So many posts to read through....

I think there's definitely something to Damon's quote in that podcast. My initial thought after the episode aired was that Penny took the photo in "real life," which is why she had it in the plane. Then, as we know, when Desmond went "back" after the hatch exploded, he slightly altered the course of events that landed him on the island. And in that second course of events, he was the one who ended up with the photo. I think it's entirely possible that there were two versions of the same photo -- one from each of the two series of events. Penny has the photo from "real life" and Desmond has the photo from when he went "back" in time. Since the end result was the same -- Desmond is on the island and Penny is in a plane searching for him -- I don't think it matters that they arrived at that resulting situation through two different series of events. And then it would make sense that Penny may not even remember Desmond's second course of events but only has a recollection of what happened in "real life" to give her the photo and put Desmond on the island.
The thing that scares me about this idea is that if they both have the picture, as a result of changed events or different "incarnations", to use Desmond's word, then it would suggest they are in different realities (be it divergent timelines, or the whole multiverse" idea), and I don't see how they would tie that back together.

I fear that this can either lead to far too many plot holes (I'm *way* too analytical, and it drives me nuts...) or will require such a fantastic conclusion that it may not be a reasonably believable one. :frown:

I'm just going to continue to enjoy the show, keep my fingers crossed that they keep up the quality we've come to expect and that they do know where this is going to end up, and I'm going to stop listening to podcasts and reading TPTB's interviews and enjoy the show while analyzing the developments without taking into consideration the "explanations" from D&C. That said, I'm really looking forward to more Hurley coming up next week. :biggrin:

Everyone with a pc and a scanner can copy a picture. I am not shocked by two pictures.


Hello... do you watch the same show I do?

1 - it is a Polaroid
2 - Street vendors in many cities do this type of thing for about $10

There is significance to the photo being in two places, even if they are slightly different. It might be that in a previous trip thru time (if that is what it is) then
perhaps Penny took it last time. The fact she is wearing something different or the pose is slightly different is more "proof" that it was not just a regular flash back.

There is NOTHING that should be trvialized in Lost. It was true of Alias and JJ is still up to form.

Everything happens for a reason.

About the photograph, a few notes: (sorry, it is in spanish, but could be understood easily)

The photo(s) from Desmond. (http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/7084/pennysph4.jpg)

White and Black Pennys (http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/1155/des3zb6.gif). (White one is from 2x03)

The Polaroid Camera and the transparency (http://www.forolostzilla.net/viewtopic.php?p=158371#158371).

By the way: The Big Ben Clock (http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/4104/horamp1.jpg)



Greetings from Spain. :cool: