Answer Number 1...The children are given a better life...That is why the Others took them.

Carl is truly brainwashed as he also believes he is leading a wonderful life complete with a backyard. But how can you have such a good life without knowing who the Bradys are!!!

The children with Cindy seem to be very content.

Yeah I felt so sad for him because he had NO IDEA who the Brady Bunch was. poor kid. He wont be able to understand any of Sawyer's references. That's probably why Sawyer let him go.

I thought Sawyer sent him to his death... :(

Answer Number 1...The children are given a better life...That is why the Others took them.

Carl is truly brainwashed as he also believes he is leading a wonderful life complete with a backyard. But how can you have such a good life without knowing who the Bradys are!!!

The children with Cindy seem to be very content.

Yeah, making me wonder if the children and Cindy have been brainwashed too. Cindy lived in terror of the Others for 45 days or so and now her tune is completely different. The children's mom is in LA we know and I would think they'd be pretty homesick by now. But they were docile and clean and relatively happy-looking.

And I'm sure there's more to it than just giving the kids a better life. I'm sure it has something to do with the reproductive systems of young women looking like they're elderly....

Yeah I felt so sad for him because he had NO IDEA who the Brady Bunch was. poor kid. He wont be able to understand any of Sawyer's references. That's probably why Sawyer let him go.

When Karl didn't know who the Brady Bunch was, the first thing I thought was "how long has he been on the island?:confused: than it hit me,that maybe Karl was born on the island, like Alex,and Ben? Anyone , and everyone who crash on flight 815,would have seen,or heard of the Brady bunch. So maybe Karl didn't crash on the island, but was born on the island.

Did they give Walt "a better life" when they kidnapped him at gunpoint, blew up his fathers raft and left his daddy to drown in front of him, dragged him away screaming from the father that he loves and only returned him to his father once they had turned Michael into a desperate crazy murderer? Please can someone explain how this was "good" for little Walt?

I think Walt was a different case - Bea Klugh and the Others stole walt and tried to study/harness his "special talent." They're furthering the projects... the Dharma ones, or something. It's quite sick but kind of psychologically satisfying, and seeing Cindy and the children docile and happy was necessary because we can turn full-focus on the Others and just how... sick, I guess, they are.

Better life than hanging around on a beach day by day, getting a small amount of water and berries and maybe boar if John Locke hasn't decided to hold up his eyes and look North yet? I think Karl ALMOST had a point, but the man doesn't know who the Bradys are, so I'm not holding much by him.

Cindy seemed... off to me, I bet she has been brainwashed at some point. Probably the children too. I guess because they have a roof over their heads the Other's consider them having a better life? Who knows, but I think they are doing something to them. Cindy seemed like she was out of it.

Yeah I felt so sad for him because he had NO IDEA who the Brady Bunch was. poor kid. He wont be able to understand any of Sawyer's references. That's probably why Sawyer let him go.
Did it occur hit you that Karl may not be American.

When Karl didn't know who the Brady Bunch was, the first thing I thought was "how long has he been on the island?:confused: than it hit me,that maybe Karl was born on the island, like Alex,and Ben? Anyone , and everyone who crash on flight 815,would have seen,or heard of the Brady bunch. So maybe Karl didn't crash on the island, but was born on the island.

I wasn't surprised that Karl did not know the Brady Bunch. Unless you lived in the 70s you might not know who they were. We don't have cable tv in our home so therefore don't watch the oldies.

A girl I work with hadn't heard of "Little House On The Prairie." 17 years old.

Yeah I felt so sad for him because he had NO IDEA who the Brady Bunch was. poor kid. He wont be able to understand any of Sawyer's references. That's probably why Sawyer let him go.


I agree completely.

My 11 year old watches Little House and even dressed as laura for Halloween thisx last year...

I thought cindy was off because she was telling Jack finally that she was an Other...TPTB said this was one of the questions they were going to answer in our previews...

She is an other...she is the keeper of the children...a caretaker....

I wasn't surprised that Karl did not know the Brady Bunch. Unless you lived in the 70s you might not know who they were. We don't have cable tv in our home so therefore don't watch the oldies.

That's what should have happened to Karl in Room 23 - they should have been playing "A Very Brady Sequel" on loop in Hi-Def. =D

Did they give Walt "a better life" when they kidnapped him at gunpoint, blew up his fathers raft and left his daddy to drown in front of him, dragged him away screaming from the father that he loves and only returned him to his father once they had turned Michael into a desperate crazy murderer? Please can someone explain how this was "good" for little Walt?

We don't know what happened to Walt After he was taken... he may very well have had a better life after that.

My 11 year old watches Little House and even dressed as laura for Halloween thisx last year...

I thought cindy was off because she was telling Jack finally that she was an Other...TPTB said this was one of the questions they were going to answer in our previews...

She is an other...she is the keeper of the children...a caretaker....


Right. I think she was planted with the the tailies the way Ethan was with the original bunch.

She wasnt planted..there is video of her being a flight attendant on the flight...

When Karl didn't know who the Brady Bunch was, the first thing I thought was "how long has he been on the island?:confused: than it hit me,that maybe Karl was born on the island, like Alex,and Ben? Anyone , and everyone who crash on flight 815,would have seen,or heard of the Brady bunch. So maybe Karl didn't crash on the island, but was born on the island.

I completely agree! I think the point of that scene was to show that Karl had been on the island his whole life, just like Alex and Ben.

Did they give Walt "a better life" when they kidnapped him at gunpoint, blew up his fathers raft and left his daddy to drown in front of him, dragged him away screaming from the father that he loves and only returned him to his father once they had turned Michael into a desperate crazy murderer? Please can someone explain how this was "good" for little Walt?

Of course not. As any loving parent can tell you, there can never be any justification for these unexplained violent kidnappings, and these kidnappers deserve to be locked up for life. I find it baffling how so many people find some good in these Others, but knowing someone who lost a child in this manner can have a powerful bearing in one's perspective.

I love that the Others kidnapped all the kids. Keep those parents on their toes.

As for Cindy, she may have been on the flight, but a lot of people theorize that Others or Dharma/Widmore/Hanso people were planted on the flight.

this is off topic a bit, but the discussion of cindy made me have a little breakthrough. i've always believed that cindy was planted on the flight. she never looked scared of others and disappeared too quickly. i remember during the plane crash she was one of the 3 stewards who dropped everything to chase charlie when he ran towards the front of the plane just before the crash.
that scene seemed set up to show something about charlie. i thought then it was maybe that he wasn't supposed to end up with the losties, but the tailies. now, i'm thinking, he wasn't supposed to live through the plane crash, and may that explains, why the ethan would kill charlie, because he's not supposed to be there. weird.

Yeah, she did seem overly concerned about keeping Charlie out of the bathroom, as if maybe it was her secret duty to keep him in the tail section during the breakup of 815. But on the other hand, was'nt she acting just as freaked out as the others while washing up on the beach with all those dead bodies and injured people? I dunno. I'm leaning towards her not being a plant, but brainwashed, but then I want to know why they let her in contact with Jack, who could have screwed her up?

I have often thought that the only way Cindy could have disappeared so quickly without anyone noticing is by simply walking away, under her own free will. If that's true there are fwo options, 1) she was a plant from before the flight, or 2) she was somehow coerced to leave during the 46 or so days prior to her departure. Maybe she had secret meetings in the jungle??

I think Karl probably was born on the Island, so who are his parents???

When a cult snatches children to brainwash them into becoming cult members, they probably believe they are giving them a better life and doing it for their own good. I somehow doubt if the parents would agree. Place yourself in the role of a parent, family member or family friend in the Lostaway camp then see if you believe others abducting your family and friends is a "good" thing.

Answer Number 1...The children are given a better life...That is why the Others took them.

Carl is truly brainwashed as he also believes he is leading a wonderful life complete with a backyard. But how can you have such a good life without knowing who the Bradys are!!!

The children with Cindy seem to be very content.

But we already knew they kids were better off. Didn't Goodwin, tell Ana that?

Its a shame Carl doesn't know who the Brady Bunch is. Marcia Brady sure would make him forget about Alex :biggrin:

Good point about Cindy on the plane. I thought that was wierd when I watched the first season, but didn't think of it again until now. Now it seems it may have wider implications.

I am not so sure we fdind good in the others...as we are loooking to see what it is they think is good about them...Cindy I would assume...as an Other ....could think she is doing a good job of taking care of those children...Of showing them a better life...Their life...because they seem to have been all brainswashed they all think they are doing "good" We the posters are just trying to figure it all out.

As far as I can see, the episode doesn't say that Cindy is 'An Other'. Jack says he thought she was captured, she says it's not that simple. That doesn't translate as "No I wasn't captured, I am one of them" to me. There is more to learn about what happened to Cindy. Lots of maybes, but no conclusions right now I think.

No, we don't know anything about what happened to Cindy or who she really is. I can't help but thinking that something had to be done to those people the way they were all just standing around like zombies. Cindy seemed out of it too, like she was trying to remember something but couldn't. I can only imagine what the Other's have been doing with the kids. I don't know why anyone would resort to kidnapping in order to provide them with a 'better life'.

Agreed, there is nothing that says she is an other right now, which is what's so darn frustrating. The clip they showed in the preview is the sum total of her appearance!

I wasn't surprised that Karl did not know the Brady Bunch. Unless you lived in the 70s you might not know who they were. We don't have cable tv in our home so therefore don't watch the oldies.

But you've at least HEARD of the Brady Bunch, right?

Answer Number 1...The children are given a better life...That is why the Others took them.

Carl is truly brainwashed as he also believes he is leading a wonderful life complete with a backyard. But how can you have such a good life without knowing who the Bradys are!!!

The children with Cindy seem to be very content.

Hey now, they said he didnt know who the Bradys were, but they never said he wasnt familiar with the Haskells and Leave It To Beaver.

i think a big question is why is ben so against karl being with alex. it seems a bit more than a "your not good enough to be with my daughter" thing (plus its not even really his kid) karl says ben will kill him. maybe desmond will have some advise for him.

i think a big question is why is ben so against karl being with alex. it seems a bit more than a "your not good enough to be with my daughter" thing (plus its not even really his kid) karl says ben will kill him. maybe desmond will have some advise for him.


I get that, but it seems to be more of Alex being andry at Benry for something more severe than his displeasure over her dating Karl.

I get that, but it seems to be more of Alex being andry at Benry for something more severe than his displeasure over her dating Karl.
perhaps alex recently found out that ben is not her real dad, that would be cool

My question is, the children are given a better life than the Losties; but which life? Their life on the island being harrassed by the Others and killed by Smokey, or their old lives where they all had personal issues which had them killing their fathers and giving away kidneys?

My question is, the children are given a better life than the Losties; but which life? Their life on the island being harrassed by the Others and killed by Smokey, or their old lives where they all had personal issues which had them killing their fathers and giving away kidneys?
i assumed they meant in the "real world"
and that includes all the baggage. including what they brought with them to the island, including daddy issues and criminal records and all

My question is, the children are given a better life than the Losties; but which life? Their life on the island being harrassed by the Others and killed by Smokey, or their old lives where they all had personal issues which had them killing their fathers and giving away kidneys?
i assumed they meant in the "real world"
and that includes all the baggage. including what they brought with them to the island, including daddy issues and criminal records and all

What would island boy Karl know of the real world? He was not in the chain of command where he would have read reports on the Lostees past lives. I assumed he meant on the island where they lack homes and must hunt for food while "being harrassed by the Others and killed by Smokey". Like other members of his group/cult/society he looks down on non-members as having an inferior life and little if any value.

My question is, the children are given a better life than the Losties; but which life? Their life on the island being harrassed by the Others and killed by Smokey, or their old lives where they all had personal issues which had them killing their fathers and giving away kidneys?

The most disturbing possibility is we will discover that The Others have convinced Cindy and the rest that they ARE the good guys. Cindy's comment about the situation being "complicated" suggests that they know The Others are doing some terrible things, but it is for the sake of some "higher" noble purpose. I suspect they will get a rude awakening when they find out that Ana-Lucia was murdered. (Remember that Jack believes that Ben killed her, not Michael.)
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A lot of this goes back to the TV show The Prisoner which has definitely gotten its share of references in this show. The Village in The Prisoner is actually a pleasant place for those that cooperate. Those that don't are subjected to all sorts of coercion.

I think it's kind of funny how Karl still thinks life is so great with the others even though he spent some time in the Polar Bear cage, and seems to be forbidden to date the love of his life. Life didn't look so great for him in Room 23!

The most disturbing possibility is we will discover that The Others have convinced Cindy and the rest that they ARE the good guys. Cindy's comment about the situation being "complicated" suggests that they know The Others are doing some terrible things, but it is for the sake of some "higher" noble purpose. I suspect they will get a rude awakening when they find out that Ana-Lucia was murdered. (Remember that Jack believes that Ben killed her, not Michael.)
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A lot of this goes back to the TV show The Prisoner which has definitely gotten its share of references in this show. The Village in The Prisoner is actually a pleasant place for those that cooperate. Those that don't are subjected to all sorts of coercion.

Jack knows Michael killed Ana and Libby. He outs him on their trek to the pile o' tubes right before they get captured. Hurley gets very upset with Michael (obviously) when he finds out he killed Libby.

What thing that bothered me is that the children that were taken from the plane seemed to have completely forgotten about their real parents. They haven't been on the island all that long...what, about three months?

And how did Cindy know Jack's name and who who is? If she really was just a flight attendant, I don't think she would recall every passenger and each of their names. She was part of the tailies and never made it to the Losties' beach. I also find it a little odd that Jack would remember who Cindy the flight attendant was. I suppose that isn't as far fetched.

What thing that bothered me is that the children that were taken from the plane seemed to have completely forgotten about their real parents. They haven't been on the island all that long...what, about three months?

And how did Cindy know Jack's name and who who is? If she really was just a flight attendant, I don't think she would recall every passenger and each of their names. She was part of the tailies and never made it to the Losties' beach. I also find it a little odd that Jack would remember who Cindy the flight attendant was. I suppose that isn't as far fetched.

Jack and Cindy had a conversation on the plane. She was the one who gave him the bottle of alcohol that he had in his pocket.

What thing that bothered me is that the children that were taken from the plane seemed to have completely forgotten about their real parents. They haven't been on the island all that long...what, about three months?

And how did Cindy know Jack's name and who who is? If she really was just a flight attendant, I don't think she would recall every passenger and each of their names. She was part of the tailies and never made it to the Losties' beach. I also find it a little odd that Jack would remember who Cindy the flight attendant was. I suppose that isn't as far fetched.
Their parents are dead, they were on the flight too.
This scene was about the only interesting part of the episode imo, all the rest of the Others stuff seemed so familiar.
I kept expecting that blonde woman to say "I am number 2" :D

And I reckon she only knows Jack's name because the Others are bound to be talking about him.
I love the way she says her line "we're here to watchhhh". Its like she can't explain to Jack what she's really doing but wants him to be reassured.

Jack knows Michael killed Ana and Libby. He outs him on their trek to the pile o' tubes right before they get captured. Hurley gets very upset with Michael (obviously) when he finds out he killed Libby.

Cindy and the children are still going to be shocked when they find that someone working for The Others killed Ana-Lucia. I think it's going to change their opinion of The Others.

Their parents are dead, they were on the flight too.

the parents are not dead, as soon as analucia revived emma she asked about her mother and said that they were on their way to meet back up with their mother in los angelas

the parents are not dead, as soon as analucia revived emma she asked about her mother and said that they were on their way to meet back up with their mother in los angelas

Exactly.


And I reckon she only knows Jack's name because the Others are bound to be talking about him.


They met on the plane.

Its like she can't explain to Jack what she's really doing but wants him to be reassured.

Well, there was a camera pointed at Jack's cage, so it was doubtful Cindy could be completely upfront with him about what was going on.

Elsewhere, I've posted my theory that Cindy is covertly working with Juliet to help overthrow Benry's power base.

Cindy probably said as much as she felt it was safe for her to reveal to Jack, under the circumstances.

slightly off topic...but i don't think cindy was brainwashed... i think the plane crashed on purpose.