OK....we definitely couldn't hear the little girl when she whispered to Cindy, but for the life of me I can't understamd what Cindy says for an explanation to the girls whisper. I've got 5.1 audio and turned up super loud, but i still can't make out what Cindy says......did anyone actually catch it?

The little girl wanted to know how Ana Lucia is.

The little girl wanted to know how Ana Lucia is.
Yep. Ana Lucia had saved them when they first arrived at the island.

Yes - I can't believe no one is talking about this - the little girl asks Cindy to ask Jack "How's Ana Lucia?" -

Micheal killed Ana Lucia FOR the Others. Guess the message isn't trickling down to the children that they kidnapped.

wasn't it the boy who whispered to cindy

No, it was the girl. Emma.

Cindy didn't know either, otherwise she wouldn't have asks Jack so bluntly.

Yes - I can't believe no one is talking about this - the little girl asks Cindy to ask Jack "How's Ana Lucia?" -

Micheal killed Ana Lucia FOR the Others. Guess the message isn't trickling down to the children that they kidnapped.

I don't think the Others ever told Michael to kill A.L. He felt forced to do it because he needed to get Ben out of the hatch and A.L. was guarding him. In his mind there was no other way to get past her and free Ben in order to get Walt back.

I wish Jack would have yelled, "She's dead! That's how she is! Now snap out of it!" :biggrin:

I wish Jack would have yelled, "She's dead! That's how she is! Now snap out of it!" :biggrin:

I know, I was thinking the same thing! Sometimes I just want the characters to say something bad, something that makes you go, "OMG That was so wrong!" I wanted him to crouch down so he was face to face with the kid and say, "Your friend, Ana Lucia? Well, see, she was shot in the gut and now she's DEAD! Anything else?"

I know, I was thinking the same thing! Sometimes I just want the characters to say something bad, something that makes you go, "OMG That was so wrong!" I wanted him to crouch down so he was face to face with the kid and say, "Your friend, Ana Lucia? Well, see, she was shot in the gut and now she's DEAD! Anything else?"

Jack should have said that to a child?

Better he should have gotten Cindy to come close and said it to *her*.

Ana Lucia was good to those kids and they sure didn't ask for any of what happened. I don't think they should be traumatized any further than they have been already.

I know, I know. I was kind of being tongue in cheek. Sometimes I just want people on TV to say something really bad and inappropriate. I have kind of a sick sense of humor I guess. Those little kids are pretty darn cute.

Just checked this scene and want to confirm what Halcyon (http://www.thefuselage.org/Threaded/member.php?u=23823) said in the first post - when emma whispers into Cindy's ear, there is no audio for the little girls voice.

Micheal killed Ana Lucia FOR the Others. Guess the message isn't trickling down to the children that they kidnapped.

Nope. Mike's job was to get Ben out and lure Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley to the Other camp. Ben knows who died during the escape, because he was there. But Ben may or may not have chosen to share this information with the rest of the class.

I had to rewind that scene twice to make out what the heck Cindy said, so don't feel bad.

Just a comment about the girl's question to Cindy...

The girl (Emma) and Cindy were in the tail section. I could see Cindy remembereing Jack - she was the flight attendent, and an adult. Jack is striking enough to be one of the more memorable passengers. But how can Emma remember he was on it AND make that connection to Ana Lucia, then ask a question about her. Did she know Ana went to another section of the island to find the other survivors? Probably not. She was already abducted by that time. Would Cindy have told her? Maybe, but I would very much doubt it. I just thought the question about Ana seemed out of place coming for the girl. From Cindy, ok, but the from the kids it just seemed like something to make us focus on them. It seemed like bad writing, letting us know it was the "kids" in this way.

Personally I felt Cindy and the kids had been told who Jack was (a fellow survivor). It seemed to me as though they had been bought to watch Jack (as well as the trial, probably), in an attempt to show them they're better off with the Others, than with the Losties. Knowing what Jack's likely reaction would be to a question about Ana Lucia's well-being, it makes sense to me that the Others would have encouraged such a question.

Although the question coming from the girl was probably an attempt to convey WHO the children were to the audience (along with the slow, focused shot of the teddybear), I feel it definatly had a place in the scene. The writers obviously didn't want Cindy and co. on screen too long, so I felt it was played out reasonably well. If only we didn't know in advance we'd be seeing them here, I feel this scene would've been better received.

Personally I felt Cindy and the kids had been told who Jack was (a fellow survivor). It seemed to me as though they had been bought to watch Jack (as well as the trial, probably), in an attempt to show them they're better off with the Others, than with the Losties. Knowing what Jack's likely reaction would be to a question about Ana Lucia's well-being, it makes sense to me that the Others would have encouraged such a question.

Although the question coming from the girl was probably an attempt to convey WHO the children were to the audience (along with the slow, focused shot of the teddybear), I feel it definatly had a place in the scene. The writers obviously didn't want Cindy and co. on screen too long, so I felt it was played out reasonably well. If only we didn't know in advance we'd be seeing them here, I feel this scene would've been better received.

I had no idea that Cindy and the kids would appear in this episode and I was genuinely surprised to see Cindy. And now that you mention it, when Emma walked up I thought it was her but wasn't sure because I couldn't quite remember what she looked like. When she asked about AL that's when I definitely knew that it was her. So overall, I felt the scene has initially surprising, but ended badly, with Jack yelling. Even if Jack didn't want to say that AL was dead in front of children, I don't think yelling like a madman is much better.

Even if Jack didn't want to say that AL was dead in front of children, I don't think yelling like a madman is much better.

Well, I couldn't blame him. He wakes up in a cage, and a bunch of people is staring at him like in a zoo... and one of his own fellow survivers tells him, she is there to watch.. so serenely like an April day. It would have ticked me off, that's for sure! And her question about a girl he buried just before he left beach camp wasn't helping.

Obviously, Cindy and the children are still pretty low on The Others' food chain, or they would already have known about Ana-Lucia's death. It's possible that only the highest-ranking Others (Isabel, Juliet, Tom, Bea, and our dear Benry, of course) are aware of EXACTLY what happened to Ana-Lucia and Libby.

I still believe that Cindy and some of the rest of the Tailies are secretly a part of Juliet's faction. They were hanging around the cage to make sure that none of the more irrational, Pickett-like Others killed Jack.

It was understandable that the kids and Cindy would ask about Ana-Lucia as Cindy had met Michael, Jin and Sawyer and was with Ana on her way to the front section survivors’ camp when she was abducted. What I really want to know is why she didn’t ask Jack about Gary Troup, her partner
OR
is she supposed to have asked Sawyer, Michael and Jin about Gary prior to her abduction?

It was understandable that the kids and Cindy would ask about Ana-Lucia as Cindy had met Michael, Jin and Sawyer and was with Ana on her way to the front section survivors’ camp when she was abducted. What I really want to know is why she didn’t ask Jack about Gary Troup, her partner
OR
is she supposed to have asked Sawyer, Michael and Jin about Gary prior to her abduction?

I do wonder if Cindy will ever mention Gary on the actual show, it would be nice to see that connection made outside of the bad twin book and publicity.

Just a comment about the girl's question to Cindy...

The girl (Emma) and Cindy were in the tail section. I could see Cindy remembereing Jack - she was the flight attendent, and an adult. Jack is striking enough to be one of the more memorable passengers. But how can Emma remember he was on it AND make that connection to Ana Lucia, then ask a question about her. Did she know Ana went to another section of the island to find the other survivors? Probably not. She was already abducted by that time. Would Cindy have told her? Maybe, but I would very much doubt it. I just thought the question about Ana seemed out of place coming for the girl. From Cindy, ok, but the from the kids it just seemed like something to make us focus on them. It seemed like bad writing, letting us know it was the "kids" in this way.

Until I read your comments, I couldn't figure out why that scene bothered me! It was because Emma knew who Jack was and asked about A-L and it wasn't Cindy that actually asked about her. :headslap: As far as that audience has ever known, Emma had never met Jack.

It was understandable that the kids and Cindy would ask about Ana-Lucia as Cindy had met Michael, Jin and Sawyer and was with Ana on her way to the front section survivors’ camp when she was abducted. What I really want to know is why she didn’t ask Jack about Gary Troup, her partner
...

Excellent point! I wished she had been less vague and cryptic and more handy with information about what she'd been told.

how many flight attendants call you by your first name?! when cindy was taken, she had never met jack. why does she even know who he is?
am i missing something?

I had to rewind that scene twice to make out what the heck Cindy said, so don't feel bad.

I had to replay it like 10 times until I could understand what she said!

how many flight attendants call you by your first name?! when cindy was taken, she had never met jack. why does she even know who he is?
am i missing something?

Cindy was the flight attendant who spoke to Jack on the plane in Pilot, from Season 1. She also gave him some little bottles of liquor, if I remember correctly. As for knowing his name in Stranger...., she may have remembered his name from the flight manifest which she would have had access to as a flight attendant. (The latter is a stretch, of course, unless her memory is that good, but stranger things have happened on this show. Then again, if she were an Other---of which no one is sure----that would better explain why she knows who Jack is.)

Then again, if she were an Other---of which no one is sure----that would better explain why she knows who Jack is.)

Or, if Cindy is pretending to be assimilated/brainwashed, she might have been told more about Jack's leadership position within the camp by one of The Others whom she's covertly working with (say...Juliet? ;) )?

Jack should have said that to a child?

Better he should have gotten Cindy to come close and said it to *her*.

Ana Lucia was good to those kids and they sure didn't ask for any of what happened. I don't think they should be traumatized any further than they have been already.

yeah, but it would have made good tv....

umm i have a question where are these people living? why are they dressed so nice and why are they to watch the verdict

Yes - I can't believe no one is talking about this - the little girl asks Cindy to ask Jack "How's Ana Lucia?" -

Micheal killed Ana Lucia FOR the Others. Guess the message isn't trickling down to the children that they kidnapped.

No he didn't.
Rewatch Two For The Road and Three Minutes.

I'm not seeing much in the way of mystery here : the little girl knows who 'the man in the cage' is... because she asked her 'Aunty' Cindy. (I'm guessing)

Cindy knows who Jack is because - not only was she serving in his section of the plane - they had that odd, and memorable to me even after all this time, about her giving him alcohol contravening aviation authority rules. (probably a black humour gag about his dad's flouting his professions drinking rules, but...)

And even if she had no recollection herself - she may have asked one of the Others.

The secrecy over Ana death is trickier... but I think I have it : Ben is protecting Mike. Their business was private beyond his acquiring the persons on the list, and if it isn't that... how about this : Knowledge is power.

Why disseminate it unnecessarily?

Did it seem to anyone else that the whole visiting group looked slightly demented and brainwashed? Happy, pastel coloured shirts, mindless smiles and the like? "Aw hello guy from plane I was your stewardess! Cindy!! Hey you're in a cage, like how cute!"

I mean if those people knew what was going on it would make them more important than the Losties - a bit hard to stomach especially after Cindy's cameo :)

I noticed that too. There was a kind of blankness behind the eyes.
I suspect the members of that group had seen the inside of room 23 and/or similar rooms inside that large Dharma facility.

Doesn't it seem like the fact that the children didn't speak to Jack directly, but had to WHISPER to comminicate correlate to other theories about the Children of Lost who are on the Island, but cloaked, and communicate through the Whispers as well as telepathic/telekinetic abilty...

I don't know how much I agree with with these theories, but the fact that the girl had to whisper and the boy didn't say anything at all makes me wonder...

Most kids if they are with an Adult and that Adult is talking to another Adult that they dont know and they want something they tap the person to come to there level and then they whisper mainly because they dont know that person, because that Adult is a stranger to them and they could be a little fightned by that person. You also have to remember that Jack is in a Cage and they dont know why and that he was just yelling at them

Yeah, but those kids were not that shy in the other epis -- and they had just lost their mom, etc. That whole group was acting weird, and whispering is a hot button topic for LOST. Just saw the connection.