The ending scene with Jack and Juliet cruising for "Home" was quite a different picture than our view of the Seabillies boat kidnapping Walt. It might not even be the same boat.

But it certainly was filmed to look like a yacht taking the elite ones home...

So now Jack is "One of Them"...my, how things change.;)

It looked like the same boat to me

I think it had to be bigger - there seem to be so many Others -how could they all leave on one small boat - and is he really FREE to walk around on the boat - I wonder if he will be caged up when they get HOME

Strange ending.
I don't know what it was, but I got a real "last ship out of Grey Haven's" feeling from that scene. It was totally romanticized, and left me with the feeling that we won't see Jack again for quite a while.
And where was the "WONK" sound that marks the end of the show? We only got the Lost logo without the sound. Was that a first?

The major thought going through my mine in that scene was when they return to otherville, whether or not Jack would stay at Juliet's place :biggrin:

So I presume that this is how Ben is living up to his promise of taking them "home"? Not exactly what Juliette and Jack thought about when he made his proposal.

I also noticed a lack of FB "whoosh" sounds in this epi, MPmom.

Maybe this is another way of letting us know it'll all be different now?

That's far from the first time without the sound effect. Whenever the show ends with a dramatic cliffhanger, you get the "thonk" sound. Whenever it ends with a montage or sentimental moment accompanied by a swelling score, the score just bleeds into the end title.

I liked the ending. Showing Sawyer and Kate, Jack and Juliet, and Alex and Karl with or thinking of each other was really touching and set up the rest of the "love" season.

Now let's hope Sun/Jin, Charlie/Claire, and, gods willing, Rose/Bernard actually get some screentime.

The major thought going through my mine in that scene was when they return to otherville, whether or not Jack would stay at Juliet's place :biggrin:


I was thinking the same thing. Like when Juliet told Jack they were leaving the island and going back to their home...I thought..is she gonna say...You're coming back to my home.

The major thought going through my mine in that scene was when they return to otherville, whether or not Jack would stay at Juliet's place :biggrin:
I hope so.:)

I noticed a real bonding potential at the end of "NIP"...when she let down her guard and said "he said he'd finally let me go home", teared up, and hurriedly ran down the steps...and Jack was left with the revelation that she is a prisoner, much like him.

(Not that we didn't see it coming)

Interesting ending. I'm not sure if Othersville was the "home" Ben has been referring to. Frankly, I think he's a bit dilusional. Whatever the case, Jack is now invested in a cause (making Ben live up to his promise), and I think that means a lengthy stay with the Others. Whether Juliet or Ben can be trusted is still unknown. I still think it's possible all of this is an elaborate evaluation process of Jack. There's enough ambiguity (a lot of closed doors when we're closing to getting some serious insight) to make it seem that everything is legit (the trial, the marking, etc), but I'm not sold. In the end, Ben could be correct about Juliet and this could all be a sham.

Well they have to consider Jack to be one of them to bring him back home (to their little town).

What I don't get is why they are all worried about "the beachies" it's not like all of them have boats and guns and could go storm the place. (Alcatraz) :shrug:

I think this was Ben's plan all along - to just take Jack back to the "main" island. Jack asked to get off "this" island and Ben said "done," knowing full well at the time that Jack didn't know he was on a different island than where the plane crashed. He found that out later. Yep, Ben's just lying as usual, and I'm not so sure I trust Juliet either. I like the new tough, decisive Jack. I hope he doesn't let his guard down.

I was thinking the same thing. Like when Juliet told Jack they were leaving the island and going back to their home...I thought..is she gonna say...You're coming back to my home.
Well, we already know her plumbing needs work...

Sorry, somebody had to say it... :redface:
100%
I think this was Ben's plan all along - to just take Jack back to the "main" island. Jack asked to get off "this" island and Ben said "done," knowing full well at the time that Jack didn't know he was on a different island than where the plane crashed. He found that out later. Yep, Ben's just lying as usual, and I'm not so sure I trust Juliet either. I like the new tough, decisive Jack. I hope he doesn't let his guard down.
Actually, I was kind of surprised when Ben said to Jack--when Jack was bargaining for Juliet's freedom--"I've already promised you a ticket home" (quoting my memory, may be off a bit.) But he did say home, and said it in such a way that it sounded ironclad. For the first time, I didn't jump to the conclusion he was lying... to the contrary, he sounded rather sincere, like it was a done deal. Of course, there's no reason to think he's not a liar all of a sudden... but it strikes me that he has a certain respect for Jack since Jack's made his power play (thinking back to "one gentleman to another, Jack?" when he woke up in surgery.) And as we know, "to earn a con-man's respect, you gotta con him!"

Where is Home for the Others??
The second smaller island they were on is supposedly just where they work.
So they live on The bigger Island that the "Losties" are on??
What sense does that make?
Danielle has lived there for eighteen years!
She has never come across there "Home"??
And is there 'home" the one portrayed in the Season opener
With all the regular houses??
Because that would be kind of hard to believe that
Danielle or the losties never ran across that in all there travels?
this show just gets more confusing..

So I presume that this is how Ben is living up to his promise of taking them "home"? Not exactly what Juliette and Jack thought about when he made his proposal.Juliet may have known what Ben meant by "home" but Jack definitely didn't.

Makes me wonder if that had a double meaning when she told Jack that Ben promised she could go home. Did she mean "home-home" i.e. Portland, or the other island?

Being back on the same island as the rest of the plane crash survivors, I'd have to believe they'll cage Jack in some manner. If he gets the chance to escape, he will. Except that maybe because he made a deal with Ben, his honor won't allow him to leave till Ben is healthy again.

Danielle has lived there for eighteen years!
She has never come across there "Home"??

And we know that how exactly?
There are a billion things we don't know about Danielle. And this is one of them.

Juliet may have known what Ben meant by "home" but Jack definitely didn't.

Makes me wonder if that had a double meaning when she told Jack that Ben promised she could go home. Did she mean "home-home" i.e. Portland, or the other island?

Not to nitpick (but I will anyway) home is Miami, not Portland. Portland was where they originally told her the new job would be located.

Not to nitpick (but I will anyway) home is Miami, not Portland. Portland was where they originally told her the new job would be located.
:doh: My bad. ermmm....I was posting late. That's my excuse. :wink3: Thanks for the correction.

Ben will live up to his promise .... but not how Jack was thinking.

Ben promised to take him home ... Ben's home not Jack's. The promise to Juliette may be in the same manner.

:undecide:

I agree very-lost. When I first heard Jack say he "wanted to get off this island",...I knew he had misstated his request.

He should have said he wanted to go back to _________, U.S.A., where he lived before the jet crashed on the island.

Ben is keeping his promise to Jack. He is taking Jack off the island (Alcatraz). Ben's taking Jack back to the "others" homes in the crater, on another island, with the back yards, with the constellations to look at (Karl),...

Poor Jack. Such a brilliant surgeon, he helps everybody else, with one exception,...himself.

I agree very-lost. When I first heard Jack say he "wanted to get off this island",...I knew he had misstated his request.

He should have said he wanted to go back to _________, U.S.A., where he lived before the jet crashed on the island.

Ben is keeping his promise to Jack. He is taking Jack off the island (Alcatraz). Ben's taking Jack back to the "others" homes in the crater, on another island, with the back yards, with the constellations to look at (Karl),...

Poor Jack. Such a brilliant surgeon, he helps everybody else, with one exception,...himself.

Exactly. I knew the second he said that that he should have been more specific.

No way, I'm not buying it. It might be possible that Ben doesn't send Jack, or Juliet home


The previews show a rescue attempt, so maybe Ben won't have a chance to send Jack back.


but no way is Ben going to say "Well, you actually said 'leave this island' and since we were on a different island, which you already left, I don't have to send you home now. Oh and plus I had my fingers crossed!!". If Ben is going to screw Jack over Ben will do it right to his face, and not hide behind this semantic technicality.

I'm am really anxious to see what Juliet's real agenda is. I really hope she and Jack develop a real relationship, but part of me isn't so sure this will actually happen. After all we know that Juliet is really devious.

But, I think the element that most people are underestimating is Jack's treachery. We have already seen his skills twice when he denied Ben medical treatment, and then later offerd the treatment in exchange for something he wanted. We've seen him turn on Juliet when it suited him (as recently as this episode), just when we thought they might be getting closer.

By the way, it's definitely a different boat, because Micael and Walt left on the other one. Maybe this boat is the infamous "Pala ferry"???

I agree very-lost. When I first heard Jack say he "wanted to get off this island",...I knew he had misstated his request.

He should have said he wanted to go back to _________, U.S.A., where he lived before the jet crashed on the island.

Ben is keeping his promise to Jack. He is taking Jack off the island (Alcatraz). Ben's taking Jack back to the "others" homes in the crater, on another island, with the back yards, with the constellations to look at (Karl),...

Jack made Ben promise to get him off the island if he did the surgery -- obviously, a bargain that could be easily twisted by Ben, since Jack didn't know they were on a different island. However, Ben is very clear what "home" means in the final scene of "The Glass Ballerina." He shows Jack the World Series and says, "That's home, Jack. Right there, on the other side of that glass." I just don't see a way that he could have said that and really meant Othersville. And, it should be noted, that he does not say "if you do the surgery you can go home." He says, "if you do what we tell you."

Maybe that was the surgery. But maybe not.

I don' t believe Ben at all. I know it looks like he sent Michael and Walt home but whose to say they got there. I don't think he told Jack the truth. Also I don't believe he said that to Juliet. We didn't hear their conversation,so Juliet could say anything to Jack, he didn't know what Ben said to her.

I agree with the above...Ben seems to play by the "Pirates Code". :pirate2:
...And, you must be a Pirate, for the "guidelines" of the Pirate Code to apply.
(especially since non-pirates don't know how to "play".) :3:

Well, how about these apples for a possible let down or really interesting arc (depending on how it plays out).

Locke is setting up a posse to get Jack, Kate, and Sawyer back. In all likelyhood, Sawyer and Kate will meet up with the rest of the beachers and inform them that there is another island where Jack still remains.

Now, they will take the boat and try to find it. They get there and discover that Jack is not there and possibly the whole little island deserted. Or, maybe they find the kids and get some info on what is going on. If anyone can get answers, I would hope that it would be Locke, Sayid, and Desmond now that Eko is TKO.

Also, I would imagine that Jack will be at "home" with Ben rather than Juliet. Ben needs medical attention and I don't think ol Ben would let the bond between Jack and Juliet grow any stronger. Also, agreeing to send Jack home is not technically a lie since he will be at Ben's home