. . . Juliet's trial?
. . . the projects?
. . . the brain-washing video show?
. . . the world series where the Red Sox won?

other thoghts, anyone?

Weird stuff. Cindy and the others with her seemed strangely sedated... almost as if they had been drugged. Perhaps they've been subjected to the same brain-washing video that Karl was watching.

. . . Juliet's trial?
. . . the projects?
. . . the brain-washing video show?
. . . the world series where the Red Sox won?

other thoghts, anyone?

I think they meant Juliet's trial. The people who were with Cindy looked a little bit spaced-out, standing around the way they were -- maybe they're all in the midst of the brainwashing process?

. . or maybe the cooperation kool-aid that they gave Claire!! Remember Ethan? 'Here, drink this. . .'

Weird stuff. Cindy and the others with her seemed strangely sedated... almost as if they had been drugged.

And so friendly to Jack. It seems a very small number of the Others are aware of what's really happening and of the power struggle that is taking place amid their "small" number of leaders. But, I do believe they were there for the trial or the execution.

Yeah I think they were there to watch the trial and possible execution. Looked like Cindy and company may definitely have been made to watch the brain washing video. They looked a little, ummm happy or something.

And so friendly to Jack. It seems a very small number of the Others are aware of what's really happening and of the power struggle that is taking place amid their "small" number of leaders. But, I do believe they were there for the trial or the execution.


Yes, it was weird for Cindy to casually chat with Jack, who was LOCKED IN A CAGE!
Just plain weird.

. . . Juliet's trial?
. . . the projects?
. . . the brain-washing video show?
. . . the world series where the Red Sox won?

other thoghts, anyone?

Since the trial and the brainwashing seem to be parts of an overall control policy, I'm guessing they were there to watch Juliet being executed ... as a warning and vivid demonstration of what would happen to them if they fall out of lockstep.

Obviously they were there to view the Lost DVD sets on the big screen in room 23.

any answer you make up could fit in here, thats how worthless cindys appearance was.
witness 'to the execution ' would probably be the best you can come up with from this ep though

Yes, it was weird for Cindy to casually chat with Jack, who was LOCKED IN A CAGE!
Just plain weird.

I agree, too weird. If it's such a pleasant place for all of them then you'd think she'd be a little concerned that someone like Jack was locked in a cage. :mad:

I thought they were there to watch the trial and possibly the execution. Which makes me wonder how exactly would they have executed Juliet?

Yes, it was weird for Cindy to casually chat with Jack, who was LOCKED IN A CAGE!
Just plain weird.
There had to be some kind of brainwashing / medication. It took awhile for her to react to Jack yelling at her. It was as if she didn't understand why Jack would be upset.

Since the trial and the brainwashing seem to be parts of an overall control policy, I'm guessing they were there to watch Juliet being executed ... as a warning and vivid demonstration of what would happen to them if they fall out of lockstep.This is what I thought. (assumed)

any answer you make up could fit in here, thats how worthless cindys appearance was.
witness 'to the execution ' would probably be the best you can come up with from this ep though

In past threads there has been so much intrest into what happened to Cindy and the kids, so I guess this was their way of satisfying this. I liked how they quick zoomed on the teddy bear, as if to show that they were the kids hiking through the forest that day as Eko and Jin hid in the bushes.

Obviously they were there to view the Lost DVD sets on the big screen in room 23.
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It was as if she didn't understand why Jack would be upset.
Yeah. So he's locked up in a polar bear cage, in a jungle of mystery, by a bunch of cultish folks who have her convinced that things "aren't that simple." Why in the world would Jack be upset about THAT?! :rolleyes:

If this is "a better life than yours," I'll take the losties' lives, thank you!

Dissappointing, they didn't even show more than what were in the previews.

I did think it was interesting that she and Juliette uttered the same lines to Jack in this episode: "it's complicated". To copy Sawyer: Right. Thanks for the input...

Or...the people who were standing outside Jack's cage were there to catch a glimpse of "Him." They seemed to be in awe of him, whispering amongst themselves, and it was obvious that Cindy felt comfortable enought to approach him b/c she knows who Jack is/will become.

Perhaps that's why she was so startled at Jack's lashing out; she knows who he'll be in the future (per the time loop theory), and it was out of character?

An important question might be why bring all of those random Others, along with the 2 young children, to Hydra Isle? Just to witness Juliet's trial? I'm not convinced of that. I think they were there to see Jack and Jack only.

If you, one, notice how much influence he ultimately has on their recent decision making; two, take into account Isabelle's interpretation of his tattoos; three, Achara's description of Jack being a "great man" and a "leader" but "lonely, frightened and angry"; lastly, think about the stylization of the shots at the end of the episode with Jack looking out from the front of the boat and the audience getting the sense that he somehow belongs here (much in the same way Alvar Hanso looks out of his window)...This episode screams 'origin of the most important character in the story,' so to speak.

On the surface, this episode may have seemed lackluster, but if that time loop theory is correct (for instance, talk on the forums about the Others in this present time are really from the Losties' future with Ben being grown up Aaron, etc.), then Jack being Him isn't so farfetched, and I know other people have mentioned that as a possibility in other threads here. Why so much emphasis on his time in Phuket if it didn't add to the plot, especially with it being shown immediately after the FBYE episode? Those people outside Jack's cage didn't seem like they were taking a smoke break inbetween testimony at Juliet's trial...

This episode screams 'origin of the most important character in the story,'

I beg to differ. This episode hummed lullabyes.

But I do agree that Cindy and the Others were not gathered there to watch Juliet's trial. I believe they were there to watch an execution. And they were looking strangely at Jack and whispering because they didn't know it was going to be Juliet's execution, they thought it was going to be Jack.

No one but Cindy knew who he was. They're brought in to watch, to keep up their fear and keep them in line. They see a guy under lock and key, in a cage. It would be a perfectly natural assumption to assume it was him who was to be executed.

That's my take on it anyway. :)

I assumed they were there to watch Jack. Just like the one hatch with chairs and notebooks for people to watch the people pushing the button in the first hatch, some people in the experiment are captives (either captive to the button or literally captive like Jack is in the cage), and other people in the experiment are there to watch the captives.

I did think it was interesting that she and Juliette uttered the same lines to Jack in this episode: "it's complicated".
Apparently too complicated for the writers to bother telling us about it. ;)

quick zoomed on the teddy bear, as if to show that they were the kids hiking through the forest that day as Eko and Jin hid in the bushes.

Yes it was made quite obvious...I wonder why they were on the original island first and now on lil Alcatraz??

They were brought there to watch.

Not that it matters. Now that TPTB have shown us they are alive, we may never see them again! :rolleyes:

Perhaps they are all kept in cages and that is why they weren't surprised to see Jack in one.

That whole scene reminded me of Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery," where a wholesome midwestern town shows up in there sunday best to stone to death a sacrificial lottery "winner". Also, to bust out my lit references, the title "Stranger in A Strange Land" by Henlein, about an alien who becomes sort of a messiah. Maybe Jack gets a little Stockholm syndrom and becomes the leader (or is Ben from the past?)

That whole scene reminded me of Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery," where a wholesome midwestern town shows up in there sunday best to stone to death a sacrificial lottery "winner". Also, to bust out my lit references, the title "Stranger in A Strange Land" by Henlein, about an alien who becomes sort of a messiah. Maybe Jack gets a little Stockholm syndrom and becomes the leader (or is Ben from the past?)

The Lottery is a perfect example! I'm ashamed I didn't think of it. :)

Or...the people who were standing outside Jack's cage were there to catch a glimpse of "Him." They seemed to be in awe of him, whispering amongst themselves, and it was obvious that Cindy felt comfortable enought to approach him b/c she knows who Jack is/will become.

Perhaps that's why she was so startled at Jack's lashing out; she knows who he'll be in the future (per the time loop theory), and it was out of character?

An important question might be why bring all of those random Others, along with the 2 young children, to Hydra Isle? Just to witness Juliet's trial? I'm not convinced of that. I think they were there to see Jack and Jack only.

If you, one, notice how much influence he ultimately has on their recent decision making; two, take into account Isabelle's interpretation of his tattoos; three, Achara's description of Jack being a "great man" and a "leader" but "lonely, frightened and angry"; lastly, think about the stylization of the shots at the end of the episode with Jack looking out from the front of the boat and the audience getting the sense that he somehow belongs here (much in the same way Alvar Hanso looks out of his window)...This episode screams 'origin of the most important character in the story,' so to speak.

On the surface, this episode may have seemed lackluster, but if that time loop theory is correct (for instance, talk on the forums about the Others in this present time are really from the Losties' future with Ben being grown up Aaron, etc.), then Jack being Him isn't so farfetched, and I know other people have mentioned that as a possibility in other threads here. Why so much emphasis on his time in Phuket if it didn't add to the plot, especially with it being shown immediately after the FBYE episode? Those people outside Jack's cage didn't seem like they were taking a smoke break inbetween testimony at Juliet's trial...

Interesting perspective you have here especially from a new poster. Keep them coming and perhaps you'll have more insight.

Which makes me wonder how exactly would they have executed Juliet?

My guess would be...stones.

Or...the people who were standing outside Jack's cage were there to catch a glimpse of "Him." They seemed to be in awe of him, whispering amongst themselves, and it was obvious that Cindy felt comfortable enought to approach him b/c she knows who Jack is/will become.

i agree with this in so many ways...
the episode seemed to be getting us ready to see jack takeover or become the next henry. (so matrix like).. its as if almost everything that has happened on there from the other POV is trying to get jack on their side....
seeing how cool and calm Cindy was made me think that she knows he will "rise" and accept his role and maybe when she saw him caged up, he just hadn't accepted it. I think everything was staged...Jack's tattoo and how Isabel referenced it at the end makes me believe that he will accept his the role that is given to him...whether it's brainwashed or not, They might actually be something worth living for as an other..remember Karl's reaction to sawyer about a better life or something... now we see Cindy almost accepting living that life style..

Consider:
Maybe they weren't really 'there'. Ala Walt to Shannon ins season Two.

Astral Projections? I don't know.

Since the writers have gone to the realm of Psuedo-science with the time-loop concept it is a possibility.

Might explain the 'loopy' quality of their outward appearances.

Also if Cindy seemed to be the only one capable or willing to directly speak with Jack, it could be that she is the most skilled at Astral Projection.

Remember that when Walt appeared to Shannon he was WET and spoke in reverse.

Maybe the 'Watchers' are getting better at interacting with the 'Observed'.

Random Neuron Firing- the progression of Watching

* Watchers could not be seen but could be 'heard' by the observed in the first season. The 'whispers' may have been an artifact of the process.
* Walt could be seen and heard but it was faulty. Like he really wanted to be understood but a component was missing...
* Process is closer to working with minimal faults, but results in slight disorientation to the watchers, some may be capable of communicating with the observed.
* Some observed are more sensitive to the process... Jack and Shannon both SAW the Watchers, Sawyer and Sayid HEARD them.

Watching is a funciton of time as well as location, Ala Time viewing (see Paycheck, a not completly terrible Ben Affleck pic that uses the concept of viewing thru time but not interacting directly.)

I know this has lots of work to clean it up, I presented it to my Brother and he immediatly said why were they all clean and stuff then? Vice dirty and wet like Walt.

Could be a function of the person 'sensing' or 'percieving' them. Jack is aware of Others all around him and they are all clean and appear well groomed. His sub-concious may 'cast' this appearance on the watchers.

But it could be I am so far off that I am on a completly different Island...


ROCK ON!

Somebody please tell me that it's Juliet's trial and not that these people who were taken are now in some sort of limbo state and are also the 'whisperers'. I could use a real explanation here... something that people could understand.

Also, why did those guys beat up Jack? It's kind of weird that they beat him up because he got a tattoo saying what she knew about him.

Obviously they were there to view the Lost DVD sets on the big screen in room 23.

:rotflmao2:

"Down in front."


sickotriz: You are on to something here. But what you are describing is the series finale. I just came back from the future and this is how Wikepedia described the Lost finale ending:"The resulting fight between the Losties and the Others is such that it literally breaks the fourth wall, the fight spills out from the Lost lot at the Bad Robot Studios and manages to destroy a musical set before culminating in a cream pie fight in the studio commisary.


"The film ends with the Jack and the Sawyer defeating the Alvar Hanso, rescuing the Losties, catching the end of the finale in room 23, persuading people of all colors and creeds to live in harmony and, finally, riding a gold Ponmtiac Bonneville off into the sunset."

I don't see what else they could have been brought into watch other than the trial. Adn didn't Alex say that everyone was at the trial?

Not sure exactly why Achara's brother and his gang had to beat Jack, other than because he forced her to break the rules. Or maybe they understand the true meaning of the tattoo and have some reason to not want him around? Guess it will be explained in about another 30 eppys or so! LOL

Maybe they were told to observe Jack, it did seem like Cindy and the children were pretty much out of the loop entirely and had no idea what the Others were doing to the losties. they didn't even know Ana Lucia was dead, which Ben would most definitely have seen after Micheal shot her on his way out of the hatch.

I was really expecting a bit more info than what TPTB gave...along with several other people. The "captives" all looked to be in excellent health & very clean. I wish Jack wouldnt have chased them all off. hmph. The way Cindy said " we're here to watch" sounded to me like, "duh Jack...dont you know whats going on around here???" Needless to say, I got a lot less than I had hoped for with this eppy.

Personally, I thought it was a misdirection. The most logical interpretation is that they were there to view Juliet's trial, but the "here" could also mean "the island", as in, "we're on the island to watch". To watch what? That's anyone's guess.

It's weird how when Jack says "GO WATCH IT!" they all just start walking away.

Here's a crackpot theory... the Others are under a spell in which anytime someone issues a command to them, no matter who it is, they have to do it (sort of like Anne Hathaway in "Ella Enchanted"). So now I get to go back through all the first two seasons to see if at any point anyone ever actually made an imperative statement to an Other. Off the top of my head I can't think of a time, but I'm not the greatest when it comes to combing the desert :D

We're here to watch...American Idol

We're here to watch...a polar bear mauling session.

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned yet – but I think the comment “we’re here to watch” might point to a much bigger clue to what the Others are doing there – like maybe waiting for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:42-44 (NIV) "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 (NIV) Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

Am I over thinking this?

I dont know if they were there to watch Jack but The little girl Knew that Jack knew Anna Lucia, How? She was taken LONG BEFORE Jack ever met Anna. So how did the little girl know that he knew Anna?
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By the way I AM NOT buting the whole time shifing theroy.

I assumed that they were there to watch whoever was in the cages. They did seem to be a little confused though.

The way Cindy said " we're here to watch" sounded to me like, "duh Jack...dont you know whats going on around here???"

This was exactly how I interpretted it as well.. Kinda like 'Jack, wtf have you been smoking, duh'

I have a gut feeling this scene will be very important later on.. the 'watchers' are completely non phased by any of this, seeing Jacko in the cage etc.. this is a situation of normality to them. Now, what we should be asking is 'how can this situation be unremarkable to them?' perhaps also 'why do they seem to expect Jack should view his incarceration as normal?' - cos that was the impression I got.

bob

My post is to talk about the part in "Stranger In A Strange Land" where Jack asks Cindy what she is doing here and she says we're here to watch. I have a few ideas about this whole part of the episode.

1. The "watching" is going to be brainwashing like what Carl had to do, the hallway was very long and there are probably more rooms for people to sit in.
2. At some point later in the epidsode i think Juiette said that they didnt like being on this island and Ben called the other island home. Well i think that this extra island is used only for medical procedures, brainwashing, and criminal cases hence the cells. Everything that contradicts with their "Utopian" society on the other island is done on this one.

Two things that have i also have been thinking about sense the last two episodes also are,

1. Ben told Jack that they had an excellent surgeon his name was Ethan, well why would you send your best medical person to where the plane crashed without sending people before him. I think that was a bad desicion on Ben's part.
2. Way back in season two in the episode "The cost of living" Eko tells Charlie who is working on the church with him that he must finish it and that is the most important thing for him to do. WHAT if the reason he is going to die is because he never finished the church because Eco seemed very serious about that church and just as fast as he started he stopped and Told Charlie to finish it
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bump.
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bump.

here is a theory about cindy and the other people around them...
i used to think cindy was an other or part of dharma, but this thought came into my head after the show....
...i think it would be cool if Cindy and the group were somehow the whispers. and they somehow manifested or materialized infront of Jack. think about the scene...jack did not hear them come up instead it seemed like they just appeared. They just stared at Jack and did not talk. Cindy was very vague and when Jack asked where she was taken, she replied "it's much more complicated." Also, if i was a survivor like Cindy, I'd be excited to see Jack or any survivor, but instead she was calm and collected.
"We are here to watch" could also be a reference to them being the whispers. How they are the whispers, i dont know....it's just a theory, i doubt it is right. It just sounds cool.

or... Maybe they were on a field trip to the Dharma Zoo. :-)

i mean that's exactly what it looked like....they were all looking around as if they were at a zoo exhibit

Maybe that was the Other's version of the "scared straight" program for troubled youth and Cindy was just the tour guide. Who knows?

The whole thing felt like a Twilight Episode to me. I can't remember the title, but an astronaut crash lands on an alien planet. The aliens seem very friendly, and look just like us. They assure him that they want him to be comfortable and happy, and they take him to a house they've built especially for him. He quickly discovers that his "house" is actually a cage, and the windows are so the aliens can closely observe him, a real-live human in a natural type habitat.

What was jarring to me is I did not get the feeling they were drugged. I got the feeling they are now true believers. It is OK that Jack is locked in a cage because there is a higher purpose to all this. That's why it's "complicated".

Ana-Lucia's death at the hands of someone working for The Others is going to come as a shock to them because they have come to believe The Others are "the good ones".

I think they were there to watch Jack, perhaps in order to make him feel exposed and uncomfortable. Maybe it is part of the brainwashing -- they are trying to make Jack feel increasingly uncomfortable about the fact that he is different and not "one of them." I know that if I woke up with a bunch of people staring at me, I would feel incredibly uncomfortable and would want to find a place to hide away from the glaring eyes.

Personally, I thought it was a misdirection. The most logical interpretation is that they were there to view Juliet's trial, but the "here" could also mean "the island", as in, "we're on the island to watch". To watch what? That's anyone's guess.

They were in the Trial room watching it---just take another look at the episode

They were there to watch the trial. That was obvious because jack didnt know about the execution..so the writers told us there is something to watch. Jack tell Cindy to go watch whatever it is--and they leave--so whatever is to be seen is not there. Then he learns about the sentencing and even manages to get a glimpse but they tell him--HE cant watch it.... DUR

I mean, I just want to choke some of you guys sometimes :) hahaha. These arent mysteries..Cindy is right there in the front row of the trial watching(or that is possibly the first girl jack sees when he looks out his cage..pinkish shirt..could be the lighting though)

so they would send small children to watch an execution??
i find that hard to believe...even if they are the others.

so they would send small children to watch an execution??
i find that hard to believe...even if they are the others.

Well it could be everyone was just watching the trial, not necessarily the execution itself. Clearly, they wanted to make an example of Juliet.

However, executions use to be the equivalent of going out to the movies. Entertainment for the masses! I don't think it's unusual for children to watch an execution, it's just in our sanitized modern age it seems unthinkable to us--but not for most of human history. Not that it isn't impressionable on children, but if they're making an example of her, that would be considered a good thing. It's as if to say, "look what happens if you don't toe the line."

so they would send small children to watch an execution??
i find that hard to believe...even if they are the others.
I can believe that. Remember Jonestown? Around 300 people quite happily drank cyanide-laced KoolAid, even surving it to young children, because their "Messiah" Jim Jones told them it was the right thing to do.

Maybe the point to take from the line "we're here to watch" is a clue that they are not quite part of the "others" yet. Maybe the "others" feel that have not yet extinguished the inherent ability to choose (free-will) within them yet.

That is why they can only "watch" and not participate in the judgment/sentencing.

I mean, I just want to choke some of you guys sometimes :) hahaha. These arent mysteries..Cindy is right there in the front row of the trial watching(or that is possibly the first girl jack sees when he looks out his cage..pinkish shirt..could be the lighting though)


I don't know what you're watching but they certainly didn't show us faces of people watching this trial. None of the observers even look back when there's banging on the back door. I'm not saying Cindy & Co. weren't there, they definitely could have been. But you didn't see Cindy at the trial, so don't say you did just to make people look stupid.

And I did rewatch the scene. Please show us a screencap of Cindy at the trial, cause I didn't catch it.

jack in captivity

Yes when Jack wakes up all of them are standing and facing towards Jack, I think they were watching him. The others in this scene also seem to be talking amongst themselves, I'm looking at the audio from this scene and will report if something of interest comes up.

We’re here to watch…
Sawyer and Kate getting hot and heavy in the cage…wait where did they go? Why is Jack here? :D

We’re here to watch…
Sawyer and Kate getting hot and heavy in the cage…wait where did they go? Why is Jack here? :D


Crud...this was MY answer! Deviant!! :rotflmao2:
Can't believe it took you all 6 pages to come up with this! No sense of humor, too serious!

I don't know what you're watching but they certainly didn't show us faces of people watching this trial. None of the observers even look back when there's banging on the back door. I'm not saying Cindy & Co. weren't there, they definitely could have been. But you didn't see Cindy at the trial, so don't say you did just to make people look stupid.

And I did rewatch the scene. Please show us a screencap of Cindy at the trial, cause I didn't catch it.

Yeah..like I'll go capture screens to show you that they were there to watch the trail:)

Come on..just watch the episode. I feel sorry for the writers if some viewers cant connect dots so simple as a group of people there to "watch" something..and then there is trail and an execution. After the epi the Hydra people started to leave--did you see anything being watched during that episode?

Im not trying to make anyone feel stupid...you dont need more than an average IQ to understand any of these episodes...but what is happening is smart people like you are so used to digging for clues on everything they miss the most obvious things that are not even suppose to be mysteries.

a good way to watch a show like this is--Accept whats obvious on the screen first--and only if there is evidence that it was some kind of trick--dont bother imagining other senarios. In this case..there was not one single reason to think otherwise. What I said was to help..not hurt. How can you enjoy the show if dont accept the the obvious stuff. Lets talk about the hard stuff.

The last thing I'll say..they actually may have been there to watch something else..but we are given no reason to think that. But this is Lost:). Anyway, I am a different brand of viewer than most-- because I started watching Lost This season. I watched all the past episodes over a few days--back to back. So while all you guys were guessing and speculating inbetween all the episodes over 2 full years-- I experienced none of that. I can understand that after all that time and all those theories that a person can get overwhelmed and start to not trust what they are seeing on the screen. Just a theory. It seems to me that the writers are trying to undo some of the confusion by giving more answers this season..but people arent excepting them. I dont know..Im just babbling

love you guys

I too read this as they were watching Jack, and the way she said it she couldnt believe he didnt know. Had quite a freaky feel to it I thought.

No one but Cindy knew who he was. They're brought in to watch, to keep up their fear and keep them in line. They see a guy under lock and key, in a cage. It would be a perfectly natural assumption to assume it was him who was to be executed.

I still think my original theory applies.

Cindy and the other "watchers" were there to make sure that none of the rest of The Others recklessly killed Jack. Juliet probably told them not to let Jack out of their sight, just as she returned to the Hydra with Alex and right before Isabel had Juliet sequestered. Juliet knew that, with her own fate in the balance, she had a very short window of time to act quickly and maneuver to put into place the things that she needed to.

I think Juliet is pulling more strings here than we realize. Juliet has covertly recruited Cindy & Friends as part of her anti-Benry faction. She also had Alex working with her...Juliet knew that Alex wouldn't be allowed at the trial, so she told Alex to get Jack alone and get him to help Alex convince Benry to grant a "stay of execution" to Juliet.

Jack is aware of none of this, obviously. Cindy couldn't really come right out and fill Jack in on the details of Juliet's plan, because the camera was still on and The Others would have overheard. That's why Cindy had to answer Jack's question in an ambiguous manner....there was a limited amount of information she could give to Jack, at that point in time, without implicating herself and Juliet. Jack, of course, reacted furiously, because he assumed that Cindy is probably a loyal, full-fledged Others. After he chewed her out, Cindy realized it was pointless to try to continue talking with Jack. So when Cindy and the "Watchers" moved away from the cage - - yes, they moved out of frame and out of Jack's line-of-vision...but they were probably still "watching" him from nearby.

Juliet was probably afraid that another Pickett-like loyalist within Benry's faction of devotees might go berserk and kill Jack. So deploying her allies to "watch" over Jack was Juliet's way of protecting him (even if her fate got sealed at the trial).

The only reason I can think of why Zack and Emma were with Cindy is because there was no one else around to take care of them. Miss Klugh is probably the primary caretaker of the children (with Alex's help), but Miss Klugh obviously would have had to attend Juliet's trial. So the children were left in Cindy's care, because most of The Others are under the impression that Cindy has been fully assimilated/brainwashed.

I still think my original theory applies.

Cindy and the other "watchers" were there to make sure that none of the rest of The Others recklessly killed Jack. Juliet probably told them not to let Jack out of their sight, just as she returned to the Hydra with Alex and right before Isabel had Juliet sequestered. Juliet knew that, with her own fate in the balance, she had a very short window of time to act quickly and maneuver to put into place the things that she needed to.

I think Juliet is pulling more strings here than we realize. Juliet has covertly recruited Cindy & Friends as part of her anti-Benry faction. She also had Alex working with her...Juliet knew that Alex wouldn't be allowed at the trial, so she told Alex to get Jack alone and get him to help Alex convince Benry to grant a "stay of execution" to Juliet.

Jack is aware of none of this, obviously. Cindy couldn't really come right out and fill Jack in on the details of Juliet's plan, because the camera was still on and The Others would have overheard. That's why Cindy had to answer Jack's question in an ambiguous manner....there was a limited amount of information she could give to Jack, at that point in time, without implicating herself and Juliet. Jack, of course, reacted furiously, because he assumed that Cindy is probably a loyal, full-fledged Others. After he chewed her out, Cindy realized it was pointless to try to continue talking with Jack. So when Cindy and the "Watchers" moved away from the cage - - yes, they moved out of frame and out of Jack's line-of-vision...but they were probably still "watching" him from nearby.

Juliet was probably afraid that another Pickett-like loyalist within Benry's faction of devotees might go berserk and kill Jack. So deploying her allies to "watch" over Jack was Juliet's way of protecting him (even if her fate got sealed at the trial).

The only reason I can think of why Zack and Emma were with Cindy is because there was no one else around to take care of them. Miss Klugh is probably the primary caretaker of the children (with Alex's help), but Miss Klugh obviously would have had to attend Juliet's trial. So the children were left in Cindy's care, because most of The Others are under the impression that Cindy has been fully assimilated/brainwashed.

I like this explanation Get a Klugh! It does make sense that Cindy wouldn't say much if they were still being monitored. And now that you mention it, after seeing the kids in this epi I was expecting to see Ms Klugh, where is she?

I like this explanation Get a Klugh! It does make sense that Cindy wouldn't say much if they were still being monitored.

I also think Cindy is putting on a front for most of The Others around her. It's conceivable that The Others threatened Zack and Emma's lives if Cindy didn't cooperate with them, so Cindy is putting on the "brainwashed" act to buy herself some time. Then, she lucked out when Juliet approached her with a grand scheme to undermine Benry's influence.

And now that you mention it, after seeing the kids in this epi I was expecting to see Ms Klugh, where is she?

Miss Klugh was probably just sitting in the trial room, out of frame, because April Grace was unavailable to appear in the episode. However....

It's been confirmed at www.spoilerfix.com (http://www.spoilerfix.com) that April Grace will reprise her role as Miss Klugh in the episode "Enter 77"....which also will feature Andrew Divoff as the mysterious eyepatch guy. Hmmm, maybe Klugh and Patches are working together?

In a small community "where everyone knows your name" crime and punishment would probably be rare events. I think the kids were there to watch and learn from the trial. It would be a powerful object lesson on what happens when you go against the group.

Of course we could be overlooking the most obvious thing, unlike Karl they are getting a complete education, they are there to watch, "The Brady Bunch":eek:

They were definitely going to get another dose of "the video". When she replied to Jack about how they were there "to watch", it was said with a pleasant tone, like she was telling him they are going to have a good dinner now.

The plot is to brainwash them and make them work for the others. Drugs+Video give similar effect that Claire had. She was very confident and trusty towards Ethan, didn't want to leave, but help him do his stuff. That's where the spaced out losties are now.

Yeah I think they were there to watch the trial and possible execution.

Then why didn't Cindy say:-

'We're here to watch a trial and possible execution'

instead of the infuriatingly wooly response she did give?
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Yeah..like I'll go capture screens to show you that they were there to watch the trail:)

Come on..just watch the episode. I feel sorry for the writers if some viewers cant connect dots so simple as a group of people there to "watch" something..and then there is trail and an execution.

So why didn't Cindy respond with:-

'We're here to watch a trial & execution'?

Why leave it ambiguous if we are supposed to 'connect the dots' anyway? Why not just make it that little bit easier by explaining in the dialogue?

My feeling is that the writers left it deliberately ambiguous. They were NOT there to watch the trial. Does anyone 'watch' a trial anyway?

I did not associate the "we're here to watch" comment with anything immediate, like the trial or possible execution. I thought she was referring more generally to the "projects" that the Others are doing. Maybe the role of the kidnapped Tailies is to be an audience or some sort of Greek chorus.

I agree with POV. I think they are just there to watch generally speaking. Sort of like a school field trip.

Does anyone 'watch' a trial anyway? Gee I don't know - anyone check the ratings for the Michael Jackson trial or the O. J. Simpson trial & why are multiple shows like Judge Judy on the air anyway? In a small town, such as Otherville, the murder trial and probable execution of a town citizen would be the entertainment event of the decade. It would also be a valuable object lesson to kids and/or new citizens.

The kids did not show up to watch James when he was in a cage.
The kids did not show up to watch Kate when she was in a cage.
The kids did not show up to watch Jack when he was in an aquarium (glass cage)
Class field trip to court:
The kids do show up to watch something on the same day that everyone else is in a room watching a rare major trial. Where’s the fuzz in that?

I find the post about kool aid interesting - I am wondering what it means - are you saying they gave Claire a drink to make her do what they want and you refer to it as kool aid - in that any time you want someone to do as you say give then kool aid?? Not sure if I am understanding that correctly??

I find the post about kool aid interesting - I am wondering what it means - are you saying they gave Claire a drink to make her do what they want and you refer to it as kool aid - in that any time you want someone to do as you say give then kool aid?? Not sure if I am understanding that correctly??In addition to the kool aid post you ask about there is one that mentions Jones Town. Have you ever had spiked punch? Sweet tasting Kool Aid is sometimes laced with drugs where it hides the taste of the drugs. I think the post you asked about implied supplying Claire and the kids with a mind altering drug that made them easy to manipulate.

Thank you Fogey. I think I get it - the reference to kool aid is simply to describe someone that is being drugged -- is this a common reference used outside of Lost as well?