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Unyon
02-22-2007, 03:59 AM
Before I watched SIASL I'd heard that Isabel was going to be some sort of judge. The first thing that I thought when I heard that, was when Mr. Eko was seemingly judged by the smoke monster in 3x05: The Cost of Living.

Having watched SIASL, I now believe that Isabel is connected to the smoke monster in some way. Whether she controls it, is it, or it's some extension of psychic abilities she may have, I couldn't say. But there's two points from this episode that make me think this:

The scene in which she talks to Jack in the cage, if you listen carefully, you can hear the same ch-ch-ch, ch-ch-ch noise that the smoke monster makes.

The second point comes from when she's interviewing Jack about Juliet. She obviously knew Jack was lying. I think she was able to look into him, just as the monster would (telepathy perhaps) and know this for certain.

Colonel Sanders
02-22-2007, 07:10 AM
Before I watched SIASL I'd heard that Isabel was going to be some sort of judge. The first thing that I thought when I heard that, was when Mr. Eko was seemingly judged by the smoke monster in 3x05: The Cost of Living.

Having watched SIASL, I now believe that Isabel is connected to the smoke monster in some way. Whether she controls it, is it, or it's some extension of psychic abilities she may have, I couldn't say. But there's two points from this episode that make me think this:

The scene in which she talks to Jack in the cage, if you listen carefully, you can hear the same ch-ch-ch, ch-ch-ch noise that the smoke monster makes.

The second point comes from when she's interviewing Jack about Juliet. She obviously knew Jack was lying. I think she was able to look into him, just as the monster would (telepathy perhaps) and know this for certain.

I'm glad someone else heard those sounds! Maybe that was a hint to us.....

Unyon
02-22-2007, 10:58 AM
I'm glad someone else heard those sounds! Maybe that was a hint to us.....

I'm surprised that not many other people seem to have noticed it, at the moment.

Juniebun
02-22-2007, 11:01 AM
Possibly, but what I noticed was the Tom seemed afraid of her. Maybe, it was just the tenseness of the situation, but it also seemed like he was afraid of her and her power...

(4.8.15.16.23.42)
02-22-2007, 11:02 AM
I did not catch this! Very interesting! Would love to hear some clips!

Unyon
02-22-2007, 03:08 PM
Compared to the "3 big answers", personally I found this far more interesting. But then I could be wrong about it all.

esbaker
02-22-2007, 05:22 PM
I did not catch this! Very interesting! Would love to hear some clips!

Yes, if you have them, do share.

erin1679
02-22-2007, 05:45 PM
I'm surprised that not many other people seem to have noticed it, at the moment.

I didnt notice the sounds (I was a bit tired though :)) I will have to pay attention to that next time.

libs30
02-22-2007, 06:03 PM
If you mean that rattling noise, it seems to be there when Juliet visits Jack at the cage too. It occurs more often when Isobel is there though - maybe something to do with the time of day and the waking pattern of the bird (if it is a bird).

externational
02-22-2007, 06:14 PM
i didn't hear smokey at all while replaying that scene. I think you may have confused the sound with sounds from the jungle.

Unyon
02-22-2007, 06:45 PM
i didn't hear smokey at all while replaying that scene. I think you may have confused the sound with sounds from the jungle.

Try watching it again, it's about half a second after Isobel comes into focus.

Edit: I've just listened to see if it was there when Juliet visited the cage (as someone pointed out) and you can hear the same noise. I could've sworn it was one of the noises the smoke monster makes, but I've possibly confused it with a cricket or something :D

bananna551
02-22-2007, 07:02 PM
Still, interesting parallel between Isabel and the smoke monster. I wonder if her judgement or telepathy abilities are going to come into play later on

iowalost815
02-22-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm glad someone else heard those sounds! Maybe that was a hint to us.....


I heard them! I remember thinking 'that was strange.. sounded like the smoke monster is coming'. :eek2:

D/

Colonel Sanders
02-22-2007, 07:30 PM
Try watching it again, it's about half a second after Isobel comes into focus.

Edit: I've just listened to see if it was there when Juliet visited the cage (as someone pointed out) and you can hear the same noise. I could've sworn it was one of the noises the smoke monster makes, but I've possibly confused it with a cricket or something :D

I know there were a couple times when I could hear the same noises that Smokey makes....one was when Jack was in the "cage". It allmost sounded like the Smokey sound was mixed with some kind of tropical bird....I heard another Smokey like sound during the show, but I honestly can't remember when.

Caliban2
02-24-2007, 08:47 PM
Try watching it again, it's about half a second after Isobel comes into focus.

Edit: I've just listened to see if it was there when Juliet visited the cage (as someone pointed out) and you can hear the same noise. I could've sworn it was one of the noises the smoke monster makes, but I've possibly confused it with a cricket or something :D

It is not exactly the same sound. If it were we'd immediately be looking for the monster. The sound in this episode is much more "insect" like. To me the sound which is made by the monster sounds like a machine and chains. I do think that the use of this is intentional and is probably a reference to the security system. (who and when was that term used?)

smartguy42
02-24-2007, 10:55 PM
I do think that the use of this is intentional and is probably a reference to the security system. (who and when was that term used?)
"Security system" was said by Rousseau at some point last season, I think.