I get frustrated with the show sometimes, as much as I love it, and it's because it feels like there is "intelligent" dialogue missing. Last night was a prime example of where if one person would have said one more thing at the right time we may have actually learned something.

For example:
Tom: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Missing Jack response: Exactly how does that apply? What did we ever do to you to deserve what you've done to us?

Kate: Better life than what?
Karl: Better than yours.
Missing Kate Response: So rather than help people who crash landed on an island you just randomly kidnap whomever you deem worthy of a better life?

Cindy: She wants to know how is Ana Lucia?
Jack: Are you kidding?...
Missing Jack Rant: Ana Lucia is dead because of these people!

See there, one extra line and we've actually got some tension and some pointed questions that may actually give us answers. I feel however, that sometimes, the writers dumb down the charactes in order to keep up certain mysteries. That's not good writing, that's poor execution. Kate's hurt expression at "better than yours" is supposed to be a real response? Seriously?

That happens in every single episode, multiple times. They are an incurious, tongue-tied bunch of characters.

Cindy: She wants to know how is Ana Lucia?
Jack: Are you kidding?...
Missing Jack Rant: Ana Lucia is dead because of these people!

I figured he didn't want to say, "She's dead!" since the little kid had some kind of emotional interest in AA and really it's pretty bad form to just blurt out "She's dead!" in front of an eight year old even if you are angry about it.

As far as Kate's reaction I attributed that to her thinking, "Stupid kid. :rolleyes:"

Kate and Sawyer never even "blinked" when Karl said we do "projects" I think if I had just escaped from what I thought to be "bad" people I just might be the least bit curious as to what kind of projects he was talking about.

What blows my mind is that they let Karl go - the guy who possibly knows the whole deal, or at least where the Others live on the island. eh, go after your girlfriend, pal, we'll be okay in the jungle.

Also, was one of the kids with Cindi the one that Eko and Locke(?) saw dragging the teddy bear by a chain on the doll's arm? Theodoris?? That kid ain't right

All of these make sense. I think it all goes without saying. Minus the Ana Lucia thing... Who knows if Cindy really knows what happened to Ana and Libby, who knows if she cares?

It seems that Nikki is the only one that ever opens her mouth on this show! Maybe she should just be in every scene and we could all have a voice to what we are thinking.

Totally agree about the missing dialogue, it never used to be this bad. Anyone else laugh when Jack got to ask Alex one question and he says "Where's Juliet?" As if anyone was wondering that. It makes it seem like the characters don't even care about figuring out any of the mysteries, when they SHOULD be as interested as the audience.

I wonder how exactly the writers will ever shed some light on the others, if capturing one of them (carl) isn't a good enough opportunity? Maybe it'll all be explained through flashback.

I agree here. I was hoping on some bigger reveals...."lost comes roaring back"...bull hockey.

I get frustrated with the show sometimes, as much as I love it, and it's because it feels like there is "intelligent" dialogue missing. Last night was a prime example of where if one person would have said one more thing at the right time we may have actually learned something.

For example:
Tom: People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Missing Jack response: Exactly how does that apply? What did we ever do to you to deserve what you've done to us?

Kate: Better life than what?
Karl: Better than yours.
Missing Kate Response: So rather than help people who crash landed on an island you just randomly kidnap whomever you deem worthy of a better life?

Cindy: She wants to know how is Ana Lucia?
Jack: Are you kidding?...
Missing Jack Rant: Ana Lucia is dead because of these people!

See there, one extra line and we've actually got some tension and some pointed questions that may actually give us answers. I feel however, that sometimes, the writers dumb down the charactes in order to keep up certain mysteries. That's not good writing, that's poor execution. Kate's hurt expression at "better than yours" is supposed to be a real response? Seriously?

i agree but this has been happening since the first episode and I am starting to get tired of it. I understand some things need to be keep on the dl for suspense purposes. But it is getting ludicrous that these guys after all they been through haven’t said more and done more. How does Jack look a the people who were kidnapped and not ask what the hell happen to you guys? what have they done do you? Where are they keeping you? What do you know about them? and yeah how does he not say the other killed Anna.

Beside the fact that the flight attendant come up to Jack with a smile and asks like nothing is wrong that everyone and everything has been ok over the last two months
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Sometimes these things happen when you turn a 4 season series into a 6 season series.

If it bothers you too much you can always watch Jericho.

Sometimes these things happen when you turn a 4 season series into a 6 season series.

If it bothers you too much you can always watch Jericho.


Ouch........the problem there is we all know about civilized people turning in to mobs and animals....sorta predictable.

It's been this way since the beginning...I can't count the number of times I wanted one of the characters to sit down with somebody and say, "Ok, what is going on here?"

The whole Karl thing...good lord, once he was conscious, wouldn't you have said "Ok, Karl, tell us your life story. How did you get here? What do you guys do? Why have they kidnapped our people? Tell us everything you know about what's going on!" Maybe he just says "I don't know the answers to some of that," and that's fine. But he certainly knows the answer to "Tell us about your life."

If you don't want to reveal things to the audience, then either a) have him remain unconscious or b) don't give the characters and opportunity to question him.

If I had written that scene, he would have given them limited answers in a feverish and delerious state, and maybe said something like, "Alex! Alex, where are you, I love you, I'm coming back for you..." Then, when Kate and Sawyer woke up, he would have just disappeared with the boat, and they would have said, "I guess he stole the boat to go back for Alex. Guess we'll never get those questions answered now."

Instead, nobody on the island seems sufficiently curious about WTF. Yeah, I realize that they need to keep mysteries and drag things out, but at least show the characters asking questions and not getting answers. Don't just have them not ask the questions.

Ouch........the problem there is we all know about civilized people turning in to mobs and animals....sorta predictable.

True...

I actually don't have any problem with that other show... but it does seem to give answers at a more predictable and regular pace.

It requires much less of an investment.

I agree this episode was lame, but the thing you have to remember is that most of our Losties don't really care about the mysteries of the island. So they're not going to ask a lot of detailed questions.

Yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding the whole letting-Karl-go-thing. Sawyer was even more of an idiot than normal last night. Kate, too. Man, this episode was disappointing...

Were these newbie LOST writers? I did not recognize the names of the writers or the director...

Totally agree about the missing dialogue, it never used to be this bad. Anyone else laugh when Jack got to ask Alex one question and he says "Where's Juliet?" As if anyone was wondering that. It makes it seem like the characters don't even care about figuring out any of the mysteries, when they SHOULD be as interested as the audience.

I wonder how exactly the writers will ever shed some light on the others, if capturing one of them (carl) isn't a good enough opportunity? Maybe it'll all be explained through flashback.

YES, I thought the same thing, that is Jack's one question? He is a smart man, he is a Dr., but that doesn't give you smarts in the common sense department and a lot of characters have LOST their common sense, maybe that is part of what the island does, robs you of your ability to think reasonably and to rationalize things in a common sense way.

I agree this episode was lame, but the thing you have to remember is that most of our Losties don't really care about the mysteries of the island. So they're not going to ask a lot of detailed questions.

:confused: I think the thing that seems to have been SERIOUSLY forgotten is that the Losties have crash landed on an island and would like to leave the island.

Karl seems to not be on the same side as the ones who were trying to kill him and so might have been willing to give Kate and Sawyer information about getting OFF the island!

Even if Kate and Sawyer wanted to stay on the island to escape their real lives, for them to give up the opportunity for all the other Losties who might want to go home really makes them Horrible people whose happiness at this point I don't give a rats *** about :mad: :mad:

The fact that they didn't grill Karl as soon as he was coherient and the LAME LAME LAME excuse the Sawyer gave for doing so really makes me loathe the writers for doing that to those characters!!!

Its just getting too obvious that no one is talking and no one is asking questions simply to keep the mystery of the island alive. Painfully obvious. I had the same exact reaction with Jack asking Alex a question..."Where's Juliet?"!!

Beside the fact that the flight attendant come up to Jack with a smile and asks like nothing is wrong that everyone and everything has been ok over the last two months.

This has been my questions since last night's show. If Cindy was with the Tailies, and went missing *before* getting to the Losties, how did she know Jack??? (Well, I mean, other than him being a captive and operating on Ben...) And WHY would she think he know who SHE is??? They never met!

I understand the need to maintain the mystery of the island and the Others in order to keep the show suspenseful and interesting, however the lack of questions by the Losties is very frustrating -- it's not normal. Jack tells Alex he has one question, and he asks about Juliet??

I used to be bothered by this. But I've grown to realize the show does follow an internal logic. TPTB sacrifice logical quesitons from the characters in order to build the suspense. This has always happened in the show and always will.

You just have to suspend your disbelief and go along for the ride.

If they had a special 2-hour LOST episode where all that happened was Kate and Sawyer peppering Karl with questions around the campfire, I would be glued to the set. Ratings would go through the roof. And most importantly, if this were a true story, then once Karl became conscious, Anyone in K & S position would do exactly that.

Here's a good one...

Karl: If they catch me again, they'll kill me.

Missing Sawyer Reply: WHY??? WHAT DID YOU DO???

This has been my questions since last night's show. If Cindy was with the Tailies, and went missing *before* getting to the Losties, how did she know Jack??? (Well, I mean, other than him being a captive and operating on Ben...) And WHY would she think he know who SHE is??? They never met!


Jack and Cindy met on the plane, she was the one that gave Jack the extra bottles of booze on the plane when he complained about the drink not being strong.. just to help ya out

This has been my questions since last night's show. If Cindy was with the Tailies, and went missing *before* getting to the Losties, how did she know Jack??? (Well, I mean, other than him being a captive and operating on Ben...) And WHY would she think he know who SHE is??? They never met!

Excellent point! :cool:

Excellent point! :cool:

They met on the plane. She gave him the little bottles of vodka. They were even a bit flirty. And this was right after Ana-Lucia was flirting with Jack in the airport so I bet he was feeling studly. :biggrin:

Here we go again. Its a television show thats BASIS is the mysteries. If they gave away all your questions whenever you wanted them the show wouldnt last 2 seasons.

A show is a show because you watch it for the writers to entertain you. This isnt a Documentary. The writers will reveal there secrets when its time. A lot of people love complaining about Lost writers but they must be doing somthing right since your watching every week and posting on a fan site...

The thing that makes me crazy is that no one has said anything to Alex yet about her mom. HELLO? They've all seen Alex a million times and heard Roussau talking about her poor daughter Alex that was taken - could we make the connection already. Geez.

If they had a special 2-hour LOST episode where all that happened was Kate and Sawyer peppering Karl with questions around the campfire, I would be glued to the set. Ratings would go through the roof. And most importantly, if this were a true story, then once Karl became conscious, Anyone in K & S position would do exactly that.

Then a plane lands and takes all of them home.

Theres a reason why your not getting paid millions to write TV shows,,,


I dont know about any of you but i find it alot more intersting watching mysteries unfold rather then have some random character whos been on the show for 3 episodes tell me everything.


dont worry. Be patiant we will know who the others are and what the hell their doing on shirhole island by the end of this season.

I'd just like to point out how many times in the past, the writers of the show have reiterated the fact that once some of these questions are answered, the show is over. Now, if you'd rather the show be over in 8 episodes, go ahead and beg for them to answer these questions, beg them to have the characters pull out all that info in their conversations, but then don't be sad when the show is over.

The way I see it, at SOME POINT in the future, we will know what the Others are doing. We will know why they kidnapped all those people. We will know the answers to all those questions. I personally don't want the show to end any time soon, because I enjoy watching it every week, so the way I see it, the longer than hold those answers out of our reach, the better. They're giving us a little taste...enough to make us want more. Now we know that the Others do "projects" which sounds a LOT different than the "experiments" that we've all assumed are going on. It makes it sound like they have a VERY DEFINITE goal, which is intriguing to me. So, I saw everybody should just chill out and hope that they show last another two or three seasons, knowing that when the end comes, we'll have our answers.

I'd just like to point out how many times in the past, the writers of the show have reiterated the fact that once some of these questions are answered, the show is over. Now, if you'd rather the show be over in 8 episodes, go ahead and beg for them to answer these questions, beg them to have the characters pull out all that info in their conversations, but then don't be sad when the show is over.

The way I see it, at SOME POINT in the future, we will know what the Others are doing. We will know why they kidnapped all those people. We will know the answers to all those questions. I personally don't want the show to end any time soon, because I enjoy watching it every week, so the way I see it, the longer than hold those answers out of our reach, the better. They're giving us a little taste...enough to make us want more. Now we know that the Others do "projects" which sounds a LOT different than the "experiments" that we've all assumed are going on. It makes it sound like they have a VERY DEFINITE goal, which is intriguing to me. So, I saw everybody should just chill out and hope that they show last another two or three seasons, knowing that when the end comes, we'll have our answers.


OMG......logic!

I'd just like to point out how many times in the past, the writers of the show have reiterated the fact that once some of these questions are answered, the show is over. Now, if you'd rather the show be over in 8 episodes, go ahead and beg for them to answer these questions, beg them to have the characters pull out all that info in their conversations, but then don't be sad when the show is over.

The way I see it, at SOME POINT in the future, we will know what the Others are doing. We will know why they kidnapped all those people. We will know the answers to all those questions. I personally don't want the show to end any time soon, because I enjoy watching it every week, so the way I see it, the longer than hold those answers out of our reach, the better. They're giving us a little taste...enough to make us want more. Now we know that the Others do "projects" which sounds a LOT different than the "experiments" that we've all assumed are going on. It makes it sound like they have a VERY DEFINITE goal, which is intriguing to me. So, I saw everybody should just chill out and hope that they show last another two or three seasons, knowing that when the end comes, we'll have our answers.


If TPTB are only going to give us filler like this, then yes, lets end it in 8 more episodes.

If TPTB are only going to give us filler like this, then yes, lets end it in 8 more episodes.


wow....what is it that you want? So far this season they have revealed the leader of the others, were the others live, lead ups to what their doing, aspects of there society, new characters, backstory revelations, what happened to Dez when he turned the key, even the back story of an other....

I think this is way past the border of simple need for the revealing of secrets into blatent whining...

Then a plane lands and takes all of them home.

Theres a reason why your not getting paid millions to write TV shows,,,


I dont know about any of you but i find it alot more intersting watching mysteries unfold rather then have some random character whos been on the show for 3 episodes tell me everything.


dont worry. Be patiant we will know who the others are and what the hell their doing on shirhole island by the end of this season.

Yes, I realize that they can't have a character reveal everything all at once. But...
1. Don't write the story in such a way where the characters (who have encountered many mysteries) have access to a person who conceveivably has a lot of answers and no reason not to tell all he knows.
2. The writers have done a great job in creating complex and interesting characters for 2 and a half seasons. To all of a sudden have these richly developed characters turn into dummies and not seek answers for the sake of the keeping the story going, diminishes the richness of the characters.

I am happy to keep watching and watch the mysteries slowly reveal themselves, but am frustrated when the mysteries are held back at the expense of realism. AT least when Jack was asking Tom about Ben and another Dr, and tom started to say "ever since the sky turned purple..." , something came up (jack slicing an artery) in the story to prevent that mystery from being revealed. Maybe they should have had a polar Bear drag Karl away right as he was about to start answering questions.:)

It seems to me that whenever someone on Lost is not saying or asking something, it means something. Alot of times these things get cleared up in the next episode. Maybe Kate and Sawyer didn't ask a lot of questions because they felt like it was too soon to delve deeper, seeing as though he virtually just woke up from being unconscious. Maybe Sawyer let him go because deep down, he felt a connection with the kid and didn't want him to have to answer to things that he didn't really want to.
When it all comes down, I wouldn't be surprised to hear someone like Locke asking a question like, "Well, why didn't you make him tell you more?" I can almost hear the whooshing sound of a flashback now.

Has anyone figured we want to know more about the others then the actual losties?

If i was on an island with a bunch of people who would kidnap and infultrate our people driving us to the point of scared children i dont think id care about what kind of projects they do...

the only thing id want to know is how to stop them from f**king with me again

If TPTB are only going to give us filler like this, then yes, lets end it in 8 more episodes.
I agree wholeheartedly. I'd prefer a few awesome episodes to two seasons' worth of the watered-down crap been getting lately.
100%
To all of a sudden have these richly developed characters turn into dummies and not seek answers for the sake of the keeping the story going, diminishes the richness of the characters.
Actually, this has been going on since season 1, and TPTB have been criticized for it before. Example: Does anyone yet even know what the symptoms of the supposed sickness are? They've had ample opportunity to ask Rousseau (heck, even the surgeon failed to ask her), but no one did. Why not? To serve the plot. Same reason Ethan was killed and Walt sailed into the sunset -- to delay answering the most obvious questions.

I'd just like to point out how many times in the past, the writers of the show have reiterated the fact that once some of these questions are answered, the show is over.

I call that sloppy writing and lack of imagination.

Same reason I don't buy the argument that villains always need to make the same old stupid mistakes or the hero could never win. There are shows and movies that feature intelligent villains that don't use stupid death traps to kill their enemies after revealing their entire plan to them, and still the hero wins - through effort and wit, not through counting on the villain following a stereotype. That's where good writing differs from stock characterization.

Good to know I'm not the only one finishing sentences for some characters. :)

[COLOR=black]Beside the fact that the flight attendant come up to Jack with a smile and asks like nothing is wrong that everyone and everything has been ok over the last two months
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add to that the fact that jack is caged and Cindy acts like its normal.
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This has been my questions since last night's show. If Cindy was with the Tailies, and went missing *before* getting to the Losties, how did she know Jack??? (Well, I mean, other than him being a captive and operating on Ben...) And WHY would she think he know who SHE is??? They never met!


they recognized each other from the plane.

i dont get why the people who only watch the show to have "mysteries revealed" dont just wait until the run of the show is over and rent the last episode on dvd.

is having the mysteries answered really all you care about? i cant relate. i would like the show if there were no mysteries, just a well-acted, beautifully photographed, interesting character sudy.

so if you want answers, we'll let you know when the season 5 dvd is coming out and you can pick back up there.

anyway, thats a little off topic. back to the subject: some of the characters are trying to solve the "mysteries" others dont care at all. from day one, jack has had little interest in figuring out whats going on, so he didnt ask. furthermore, he doesnt trust any of the others to give him a straight answer.

i thought the dialogue with tom in the beginning didnt need jack saying "hey, you started it!" because from tom's perspective, the 815 survivors started it. that's the whole idea. they are two groups of people fighting, each side thinking they are the good guys. the nazis didnt think hitler was evil, but they were wrong. just like how ben is evil but his people think he is a great leader. thats kind of the whole point.

Yes, I realize that they can't have a character reveal everything all at once. But...
1. Don't write the story in such a way where the characters (who have encountered many mysteries) have access to a person who conceveivably has a lot of answers and no reason not to tell all he knows.
2. The writers have done a great job in creating complex and interesting characters for 2 and a half seasons. To all of a sudden have these richly developed characters turn into dummies and not seek answers for the sake of the keeping the story going, diminishes the richness of the characters.

I am happy to keep watching and watch the mysteries slowly reveal themselves, but am frustrated when the mysteries are held back at the expense of realism. AT least when Jack was asking Tom about Ben and another Dr, and tom started to say "ever since the sky turned purple..." , something came up (jack slicing an artery) in the story to prevent that mystery from being revealed. Maybe they should have had a polar Bear drag Karl away right as he was about to start answering questions.:)

Amen. I feel the exact same way to every point you made. Especially the "ever since the sky turned purple" (whoops I happen to cut an artery) jesus 'effing' christ!! i wanted to say, "okay jack, really, so you sliced an artery or what have you, let the man finish his revealing answer before you chime in with your accident.

Okay, I skipped to the end because I'm writing this late and I want to go to bed. I'm not so A.D.D. that I need THE answer now, but by god man, some continuity in the show would be nice. I mean, seriously, how are we supposed to continue believing Jack's a great leader, Sawyer's a devious con-man, Kate's a wiley fugitive, Sayid is a dangerous military man, so on and so on when the obvoius issues (ever since Locke did his "they attacked us, sabotaged us, murdered us" speech) are constantly being ignored. I mean, I've given up on Kate entirely (how many times has she been taken captive to prevent a real confrontation?) and Sayid, after "Glass Balerina" should be next on the Monster's list. It just really bothers me that they're trying to use the excuse that "we have a plan, but we have to stretch it out" to hand us lame episodes explaining the meaning behind Jack's tattoos (fyi- no one cares). Hey, guess what, Michael Emerson wasn't part of the plan, but they made Ben a major character. Maybe they could try using that same innovative adaptation and stop jerking fans around. It's not "mind boggling mystery" unless the mystery is "Why are character we love not acting like the characters we love?":confused:

I'm usually one to chime in loudly on "why aren't the characters asking more (any) important questions to answer the mysteries", but reading many of the complaints in this thread has me thinking of other things.

If the Losties became too preoccupied with "finding the answers (by asking the questions)", I wonder if one of the following things might happen:

a) in order to postpone the real answers, the writers would have to introduce too much specific misdirection... likely through a lot more "talk" about the island. Every good mystery has its red herrings & false leads, and for Lost, the viewers might have to think back through not just a lot of mythology for the island but a lot more false mythology.

b) you have one (or several) people who ARE asking the questions, and maybe learning the real answers, and the mysteries get bogged down under a Mulder / Scully argument of "you have to believe" versus "but that's impossible". (It has a bit of that already.)

I'm not saying I totally approve of how the writers have been handling the characters in these situations -- let's count the number of dumb missed opportunities Sawyer & Kate had with Karl. I agree with earlier posters who said that they could have shown the S & K at least TRYING to ask the questions, and not getting far. The writers seem to be trying to keep the shows built around the characters and not the island mythos, but eventually, you'd think the two would connect, and a character would be ACTIVELY interested in understanding the island (and not just obeying it, a la Locke). I'm guess I'm just generating reasons why the writers don't want a real detective in the cast...

In reply to the people who are saying "We have to wait for the mysteries to be revealed, that's the point of the show":

Yes the show is meant to be mysterious, but that doesn't mean that the writers should write scenes where characters could blatantly get the answers they need, yet for absolutely no reason choose not to find out, or even try. If they don't want to reveal the mystery, then don't write that situation. It's not like the writers get given a script from someone else; they're the ones who make up what happens, it's up to them to make it cohesive and make sense.

I think the rate at which the mystery is unfolding is fine, and more mystery is added each episode, it is good. But the manner in which the mystery is being kept is sometimes a bit cheap or ignorant in my opinion.

I liked it in series 1 when John was actively trying to find answers, exploring and digging up the hatch. You can still have huge amounts of mystery, whilst having characters actually trying to figure it out; they don't have to be successful, you can write a good reason why they are unsuccessful. But at least have them intelligent and consistent.

I am not as bothered by these last episodes as some other people seem to be though. I think there is room for the writers to give explanation later. But, we have to wait and see.

I looked through most of the posts, and I don't think anyone brought this up. I think Jack's response to the question about Ana-Lucia was what it was because Jack didn't know the children. He never met them. Ana-Lucia said that they took children, but how did Jack know that these 2 were those children? He probably thought they were Others and not crash survivors, thinking that the question was supposed to be a mean joke of sorts.

I think a lot of peoples frustration comes from the underlying fact that TPTB's reluctance to answer even simple questions betrays that the over-arcing premise for the show is weak. IMHO if they plotted the pace of the show better they could reveal the mysteries in a better more satisfying way. Case in point season 1. Since then it has been a rush in 20 different directions. So hate me.

I think a lot of peoples frustration comes from the underlying fact that TPTB's reluctance to answer even simple questions betrays that the over-arcing premise for the show is weak. IMHO if they plotted the pace of the show better they could reveal the mysteries in a better more satisfying way. Case in point season 1. Since then it has been a rush in 20 different directions. So hate me.

No, I think that's a fair enough point. Although I think much of Season 2 was paced really well too. Maybe people are surprised with the direction of Season 3. I do think it could be done better. But at this stage, we don't really know the big picture, I think it's hard to judge the writing fully until then. Could be good, could be suckfest.

I completely agree. These people were in a plane crash; they're stranded on a dangerous uncivilized island, far from their homes and families. WANTING TO GO HOME has to be their primary motivation. Why don't they ask questions?? In Season 1 and most of Season 2, this wasn't an issue, because usually there was nobody to ask. But in Season 3, it's become very frustrating!

Those of you who say "if all the questions were answered, the show would be over" are missing the point. We don't expect to get all the answers right now, we just want the characters to behave naturally and believably. It seems like they're just forgetting or ignoring the fact that they were in a plane crash and are stranded / help prisoner.

I'd rather have 2 seasons of an amazing show than 5 seasons of this nonsense.

Here's a good one...

Karl: If they catch me again, they'll kill me.

Missing Sawyer Reply: WHY??? WHAT DID YOU DO???


That is the EXACT exchange that made me throw a stuffed bear at my TV.

How could he not wonder WHY they would kill Karl. What did he do??

The writers seem to want to set up these storylines for being answered later.. but by doing so the Losties defy logic... and look really stupid. :frown:

That is the EXACT exchange that made me throw a stuffed bear at my TV.

How could he not wonder WHY they would kill Karl. What did he do??

The writers seem to want to set up these storylines for being answered later.. but by doing so the Losties defy logic... and look really stupid. :frown:

EXACTLY
How can you have a show that you tell your audience isn't about mystery, but about the characters and then turn around force your characters act...out of character. This next episode doesn't give me much hope. I love Hurley, but...a VW bus that still runs (with some tinkering of course) sitting in the middle of the island waiting to be discovered? It's like you have "Flashes" which ties in quite intricately to what's been revealed thus far and you think, 'Maybe they do have a master plane." Then you see "Strangers" and you've got tons of people pointing out where the logic just completely jumped out the window. It makes you want to cuss, and I mean "just smacked your thumb with a hammer" or "just caught your wife in bed with your best friend" kind of cussing.

I find it funny how everyone's just starting now to get angry about the writers not answering stuff. Let's face it, they've been stalling like this all season! lol

I actually liked this episode.. better than the Des one. At least Jack tried to ask things. Ok, the writers avoided his questions like the plague, but that's what they're obviously going to do for a long while yet. I've just accepted it. I keep hoping against hope that by the end of the season, we'll at least know what the heck the Others are really after. If we don't, I'm gonna have a hard time waiting for Season 4 to finally come around.

I'd just like to point out how many times in the past, the writers of the show have reiterated the fact that once some of these questions are answered, the show is over.

That's what the writers think will happen if the mysteries are answered. "No one will want to watch if they know what's going on." I still think it's an unfounded fear, personally.

That's what the writers think will happen if the mysteries are answered. "No one will want to watch if they know what's going on." I still think it's an unfounded fear, personally.

Especially since we don't demand answers to every single question. Just SOMEONE asking a question about a GLARINGLY WEIRD SITUATION they're facing. It's not like Sawyer asking Karl what he did that would warrant the Others killing him would result in all mysteries of the show ever being revealed to the audience.

i apologize up front, i tried to read through all the posts before i did mine....

honestly, its very unlikely that every viewer of lost has the same three questions at the top of their lists. by throwing out a vague promise (which was ABC, not TPTB) is an easy and almost insulting lure to get us to tune in next week. for me they didnt have to say anything, im gonna watch it every week regardless.

Alright, enough jibber jabber about not asking/answering questions. T

hey have a show to make and pockets to fill. If they would answer any questions right now, they would not be able to make it into a 127 season run with 13 lines of tied action figures and 57 badly run online alternative reality games. Cut them some slack and keep watching like a zombie.

Alright, enough jibber jabber about not asking/answering questions. T

hey have a show to make and pockets to fill. If they would answer any questions right now, they would not be able to make it into a 127 season run with 13 lines of tied action figures and 57 badly run online alternative reality games. Cut them some slack and keep watching like a zombie.


LOL. In the end it is all about the moolahh....that is truely all that it's about. When you're such a fanatic you forget that in reality its a T.V. SHOW and someone is making it to get paid and make BIG BUCKS! hahaha

Forget about that though, I'm here for the entertainment. WHERE IS JACK'S DEAD DAD?? or strangely alive?

Kate: Better life than what?
Karl: Better than yours.
Missing Kate Response: So rather than help people who crash landed on an island you just randomly kidnap whomever you deem worthy of a better life?



At least Kate didn't say "What?" which seemed to be her standard reply to any line of dialogue directed towards her all through seasons 1 & 2.;)

Alright, enough jibber jabber about not asking/answering questions. T

hey have a show to make and pockets to fill. If they would answer any questions right now, they would not be able to make it into a 127 season run with 13 lines of tied action figures and 57 badly run online alternative reality games. Cut them some slack and keep watching like a zombie.

Once again, We don't demand answers to each and every question in one episode. We just want to see the characters at least being CURIOUS about the weird things surrounding them instead of reacting with complete indifference. Is it too much asked that a character could ask ONE question that at least makes it LOOK as if they actually CARE? They don't need to get an answer, they don't need to get a full answer. JUST ASKING ONE OBVIOUS QUESTION EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.

I really don't get where some of you people always get the notion from that we demand all answers to all questions ever served to us on a silver platter, because that's not what we're complaining about.

Lol I was obviously joking/exaggerating, my apologies :)

WHERE IS JACK'S DEAD DAD?? or strangely alive?

They are saving him for a quick appearance on the island in season 63, with an accompaying contract with Mattel for an action figure, in hopes of getting the viewer rates a bit higher.

It will then at the end of the episode turn out Jack's dad also has a tattoo and they are both connected. How, why, and why anyone would give a freaking rat's behind will not be explained until season 113, in which 27 new hot babes from not only other countires like Bai Ling will be introduced but, to spark some male interest in the coveted 18-49 year range, they will also fly in some stripping martians. Who will then travel back in time. But not change anything because it can't be changed. Or something.

In another suspenseful scene, Locke and Sayid will be storming an other Bastion thinking their friends are captured there. They have been doing this since season 2 and found 43 of these encampments fake and empty, but you know...gotta keep the viewers on their toes!

(Oh well, at least we won't see this happen, at least Naveen Andrews had the brains to state this show if off it's course and asked to get out. Smart man)

Lol I was obviously joking/exaggerating, my apologies :)



They are saving him for a quick appearance on the island in season 63, with an accompaying contract with Mattel for an action figure, in hopes of getting the viewer rates a bit higher.

It will then at the end of the episode turn out Jack's dad also has a tattoo and they are both connected. How, why, and why anyone would give a freaking rat's behind will not be explained until season 113, in which 27 new hot babes from not only other countires like Bai Ling will be introduced but, to spark some male interest in the coveted 18-49 year range, they will also fly in some stripping martians. Who will then travel back in time. But not change anything because it can't be changed. Or something.

In another suspenseful scene, Locke and Sayid will be storming an other Bastion thinking their friends are captured there. They have been doing this since season 2 and found 43 of these encampments fake and empty, but you know...gotta keep the viewers on their toes!

(Oh well, at least we won't see this happen, at least Naveen Andrews had the brains to state this show if off it's course and asked to get out. Smart man)


You forgot ALL about patchy the pirate! :biggrin:

Especially since we don't demand answers to every single question. Just SOMEONE asking a question about a GLARINGLY WEIRD SITUATION they're facing. It's not like Sawyer asking Karl what he did that would warrant the Others killing him would result in all mysteries of the show ever being revealed to the audience.

This is what I mean. There were obvious situations that came up when some questions should have been asked and they avoided entirely. An example of good dialogue would have been the exhange between Kate and Sawyer about her feeling guilty for sleeping with him. An exchange of bad dialogue would be all three (and some more) of the "missing dialogue" I began this thread with. It's bad because we all understand the subtext to the situation and we know these characters well enough to know what they should have said, but they didn't.
Example...
Ben: We had a good surgeon. His name was Ethan.
(Missing) Jack: You'd still have him if he hadn't kidnapped Claire and tried to kill one of our people.

Why would Jack most likely say this? His obvious anger with Ben and the Others that he's displayed several times. Even in this scene when he's trying to make a deal with Ben it is more plausible that he'd make this point given the opportunity rather than just ignoring the subtext ("you guys killed our surgeon") of Ben's comment. Would Ben have to respond? NO. See how simple that is! The exchange between Jack and Tom that I mentioned in my first post could also have ended with the missing line and it would have made more sense. Sure it makes the Others more culpable, and that's probably what the writer's were told to steer away from, but COME ON, WE KNOW THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS regardless of what excuse they have for their actions and even if they don't seem to think they are they can continue their motis operandi of not revealing why they do what they do. The problem isn't that the Questions weren't answered....
The problem is they weren't even asked!