This topic may have been discussed in another thread, but I didn't see it.

Am I mistaken, or were the children taken in Season 1 from the Losties on the beach and not in Season 2 from the Tailies? If they were indeed taken from the Losties, then why would the little girl have asked Jack about Anna Lucia? She would have never had any contact with AL prior to being taken, and presumably no contact with her after she was taken.

I guess its possible Cindy, who was originally with the Tailies, could have told stories to the kids about AL, but that seems like a stretch. It just came across as odd to me that of all the characters the girl could have asked Jack about, it just so happened to be a Tailie as opposed to one of the characters on the beach. :confused:

Any thoughts?

Ana Lucia is the one who saved the little girl by giving her CPR. The kids were taken from the Tailies while they were still on the beach. This all happened in the Other 48 Days.

The kids were taken from the tailes. The little girl who whispered in Cindy's ear was the girl AL saved from drowning on the beach. I think her name is Emma.

Thanks. I thought I remembered the kids, including the boy with the Teddy Bear, being on the beach with the Losties, but I guess I was mistaken. Thanks for clearing that up.

Ana Lucia is the one who saved the little girl by giving her CPR. The kids were taken from the Tailies while they were still on the beach. This all happened in the Other 48 Days.Yes, this is true.

Thanks. I thought I remembered the kids, including the boy with the Teddy Bear, being on the beach with the Losties, but I guess I was mistaken. Thanks for clearing that up.

So now I guess we know who it was walking through the jungle with the teddy bear. Those kids are cute. Wonder where they get their nice, new Children's Place clothes (ie, the boy was wearing cool cargo pants and tennis shoes opposed to being all ragged and barefooted in that scene in the jungle)

I don't remember there being kids with the Losties when they crashed.... other than Walt

I seriously think that my brain must still be fried from last week's episode, because upon further consideration, the kids were definitely taken from the Tailie's camp. People, other than Claire, were not being snatched out of the Lostie's camp.

So . . .my bad. Rack one up to faulty memory . . . my apologies.:biggrin:

I've got a thought about this, how did the kids know Jack and Ana-Lucia had met if they had already been taken by the Others ?

So now I guess we know who it was walking through the jungle with the teddy bear. Those kids are cute. Wonder where they get their nice, new Children's Place clothes (ie, the boy was wearing cool cargo pants and tennis shoes opposed to being all ragged and barefooted in that scene in the jungle)
the ragged clothes are a disguise, they have other clothes

I've got a thought about this, how did the kids know Jack and Ana-Lucia had met if they had already been taken by the Others ?
Maybe cindy told them, about the losties camp, she was with AL not far from the camp when she was taken

I've got a thought about this, how did the kids know Jack and Ana-Lucia had met if they had already been taken by the Others ?

Cause Cindy was 'taken' or whatever en route to the fuselage survivors camp. She recognised Jack from the plane so it fits.

Cause Cindy was 'taken' or whatever en route to the fuselage survivors camp. She recognised Jack from the plane so it fits.
She would not have known about Jacks survival until she saw him in the cage and therefore not been able to tell the kids about it. This reaks of continuity error unless TPTB reveal how Cindy knew about Jack post-crash.

This also leads us to believe the rest af the others are in the dark about what is happening on fuselage beach

Maybe the girl assumes that all of our Losties are together. We (viewers) know that the Losties do not tell each other a lot but maybe the lil' girl just assumed they all knew each other. It'd be like us viewers assuming that Ethan & Goodwin were friends and talked to each other because they were both in the same group.

I was just glad they mentioned her. I miss Ana Lucia... she was my fav char...

I've watched again episode 5 of series 2 where the teddy bear appears. is the scene where eko and jin hide themselves and see "others" passing by. at a moment there is one person passing by with a teddy bear . it may be a child but it is not the same as the boy we saw being rescued by eko(the same boy that appeared in this episode). it is taller... the teddy bear is kind of ripped off in that scene. maybe it's an "alter" boy/ teddy bear...

This also leads us to believe the rest af the others are in the dark about what is happening on fuselage beach


....well, ever since the sky turned purple....

Thewre were never any people abducted from the Losties other than Claire (and technicall Charlie). And other then Walt (and, technically, Aaron), there were never any kids with the Losties.

She would not have known about Jacks survival until she saw him in the cage and therefore not been able to tell the kids about it. This reaks of continuity error unless TPTB reveal how Cindy knew about Jack post-crash.

This also leads us to believe the rest af the others are in the dark about what is happening on fuselage beach

To repeat the point the other poster was making, Cindy was taken just before the tailies met up with the losties. Chances are that Sawyer and Michael filled in the tailies about their group of survivors in the time that they spent with them (they certainly told Bernard about Rose) but even if they didn't mention Jack, she would have been told about Jack by the Others before she was taken with the kids to see him in the cage. Therefore, she's guessing that Ana Lucia would have met Jack. There's no continuity error.

What she apparently doesn't know is that AL is dead, which implies that she at least doesn't have any 'intel' on the Lostie camp. That doesn't mean that the leaders of the Others don't have any though.

Emma and Zack were taken early on before the Tailies were aware there was another group of survivors. It was later after they found Mike, Sawyer and Jin that they started the trip to meet them. Cindy might have been told at the time that there was a guy named Jack, but she would have been unable to identify him by sight since she never saw him till now.

Cindy and the kids must have been given some information on Jack and the losties, denied other information, and lied to about some.

Emma and Zack were taken early on before the Tailies were aware there was another group of survivors. It was later after they found Mike, Sawyer and Jin that they started the trip to meet them. Cindy might have been told at the time that there was a guy named Jack, but she would have been unable to identify him by sight since she never saw him till now.

Cindy and the kids must have been given some information on Jack and the losties, denied other information, and lied to about some.
Cindy HAD seen Jack before, on the plane. We've seen that already. And I'm sure the kidnappees were aware that some of the Losties were on Alcatraz. Someone's bound to have told them who, even if it was only Alex in one of her rebellious moments.

Claire, Charley and Walt were all abducted from the Lostee's prior to the Tailee's rejoining the group.

Cindy obviously knew Jack from the plane, would the kids have remembered him also? I doubt they would unless they had been seated very close to him.

To me Cindy and the kids were exhibiting unatural behavior when they viewed Jack.
There was no indicationn that she or the kids knows what happened to Ana. Anything Cindy or the kids have recently heard about the Lostees would have been colored by the Other's to fit their point of view.

I've got a thought about this, how did the kids know Jack and Ana-Lucia had met if they had already been taken by the Others ?


It could be that the Others knew the Jack and Ana Lucia had met. They could know more that they let on about Jack's group and the Tailies.

She would not have known about Jacks survival until she saw him in the cage and therefore not been able to tell the kids about it. This reaks of continuity error unless TPTB reveal how Cindy knew about Jack post-crash.

My theory is under the assumption that Juliet has "recruited" Cindy and some of the rest of the Tailies to be her "eyes and ears."

As Juliet and Alex were walking back to the Hydra (after Juliet had killed Pickett), the two of them had to think fast about what their next move would be. They both knew Juliet would be in major trouble as soon as they arrived back at Hydra Central.

Juliet: (to Alex) "I might need you to convince Jack to convince Ben not to have me killed. We need him as an ally if we're going to stop your father. And before that, we have to make sure Cindy and the others [the other Tailies] make contact with Jack, and we need to have them watch over Jack so that nobody harms him."

** Juliet and Alex arrive at the Hydra. Juliet has a very short window of time to approach Cindy (whom she's previously been working with), right before Isabel has Juliet taken into sequester. It's also likely that Juliet had told Cindy, previously, that Ana-Lucia, Eko, Libby, and Bernard joined the Fusie camp, so Cindy has an idea of what's become of her fellow unabducted Tailies (although Juliet may have withheld from Cindy the fact that Michael killed Ana-Lucia and Libby). Juliet (or perhaps Alex, if Juliet has already been apprehended by Isabel) fills Cindy in on what's going on. **

Alex: (to Cindy) "They're keeping Jack in the cages, where they kept Kate and Sawyer. Go approach him. He'll remember you from your flight. Juliet wants you to try to connect with him, to give him a clue that there's still hope. But be careful what you say...They [the rest of The Others] will be watching and listening."

** So Cindy fills in the other Tailies or members of Juliet's faction as to what Juliet's plan is. Miss Klugh has to leave to attend Juliet's trial, so she leaves Zack and Emma in Cindy's care. As Cindy and the rest of the "watchers" head toward the caves, Cindy whispers maternally to the children, to fill them in on who Jack is: **

Cindy: (to Zack and Emma) "This man [Jack] was on our flight. Ana-Lucia made it safely to his camp." [at this point, that's all Cindy really knows about Ana-Lucia's fate]

I think the writers can make these explanations work, but they better not just drop Cindy/Zack/Emma from existence, never to be seen or heard from again.

Get_a_Klugh, you should post that in the missing dialogue thread as well! totally makes sense.

applecrush, where is the "Missing Dialogue" thread?

To repeat the point the other poster was making, Cindy was taken just before the tailies met up with the losties. Chances are that Sawyer and Michael filled in the tailies about their group of survivors in the time that they spent with them (they certainly told Bernard about Rose) but even if they didn't mention Jack, she would have been told about Jack by the Others before she was taken with the kids to see him in the cage. Therefore, she's guessing that Ana Lucia would have met Jack. There's no continuity error.

What she apparently doesn't know is that AL is dead, which implies that she at least doesn't have any 'intel' on the Lostie camp. That doesn't mean that the leaders of the Others don't have any though.

Rewatch the scene. The kid was asking the question through Cindy, to Jack. This is obvious by the look shown on her face after the question. http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pos=-86485
How did the children know about Jack? Sawyer and Michael couldn't have said anything to the children. They were already hostages.
And in regards to Sawyer and Michael telling the tailies about the other camp, I thought the intention of the writers implied that everyone was too frightened to talk. Michael doesn't know enough about them that he finally blows up an AL to get her to spill the beans, "What happened to you people?" This shows the writers intention that they did not sit around the campfire telling stories. Either the Others are studying the Losties or there is hole in the writers story.

This also leads us to believe the rest af the others are in the dark about what is happening on fuselage beach
I've been wondering the same thing, how much have the Others been telling the kidnapped Tailies? It sounds like they've given the 'Good people' a general explanation of what's going on (Cindy seemed to know more than she told Jack), but the Others don't know all the details. They had no idea about Desmond's boat - do they know about Desmond?

Well, I was surprised and glad to see that the little girl at least remembered Ana-Lucia. It told me that she hasn't been completely brainwashed.

applecrush, where is the "Missing Dialogue" thread?

it's here: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=70305&highlight=missing+dialogue