You know, I saw Jin bring the flower to Sun, and I thought to myself, "Alright we're finally gonna get some Charlie and Claire time". Since everyone seemed to be going back to their significant others..with the exception of Sawyer and Hurley. (I expected Hurley to go right back to Libby's grave. Oh well.)

But again...I am completely disappointed in the lack of romance between the two. Have they just gone back to being friends? They shared a kiss at the end of Season Two, and since then...-nothing-. What is the deal here?!...I wish the writers would give us more than Babysitter Charlie walking around telling Claire when to feed/change/hold little Turnip Head.

I mean, yeah, it was nice to see Charlie telling Claire about his adventures of the day...but..where's the worry?..Where's the reunion?...Charlie goes trotting off in the jungle and could have gotten himself killed...and Claire doesn't even get up when he comes back. >.<

Granted she may not have known, but still, when my man comes home, I give him a hug and a kiss.

Where's the love, Claire?

I agree. I don't necessarily need babysitter Charlie. Rather tired of that, but I am growing impatient with frigidaire-Claire. Did she even notice that Charlie was moping about something half the day, sitting off by himself? Heck, Hurley knew enough to ask Charlie what the problem was, does Claire care about him AT ALL?

I was so hoping for them to at least touch at the end. They've been apart so long since last season's kiss that I'm getting sexually frustrated. I need to see some movement here. It's like the kiss never happened or it didn't really mean anything, either explanation pisses me off.

What a tease for the shippers and then ten episodes later we've barely seen those two exchange a few words. I was really expecting more by now. Their "romance" is turning into one big bust.

I don't know, I think she might have Desmond on her mind :rolleyes:

I loved the scene with Jin giving Sun the flower; it harkens back to when he got her the dog and she said "Remember when all you had to give me was a flower?"

Amen, Junks....Amen.

At this point...seriously...a hug would have made me squeal with glee.

How sad is that?

Yeah, I would like to see some more Charlie/Claire moments, as well as Sun and Jin! The triangle has been getting far too much time of late.... :undecide:

Yeah, I would like to see some more Charlie/Claire moments, as well as Sun and Jin! The triangle has been getting far too much time of late.... :undecide:

Yes! Some fresh romance storylines are what we need. I think Charlie seems to know where he stands but Claire seems kind of..."stuck." Postpartum depression?

frigidaire-Claire.Hey, was that a dig? ;) :kiss:

I don't know, I think she might have Desmond on her mind :rolleyes:No Desmond / Claire scenes either though.

I will admit I did like Charlie a bit more after this episode though. :redface:

you know, i am a HUGE fan of charlie/ clare, but i wasn't upset by the lack of typical affection from them tonight. jin/sun, had their flower thing which is what they do, and charlie and clare has their great talking and being silly moment which is what they do. part of the love they have is their friendship. as is part of the love in any great relationship.

I agree Snost. As a shipper I would love to see more romance for Charlie/Claire, tonight's moment was good too. After the Jin/Sun scene, pushing a Charlie/Claire scene there might have seemed a bit forced anyway. They need their own moment, which I hope will be soon. The silly cute stuff like we saw tonight is classic Charlie/Claire stuff.

I guess I'm a glutton for punishment -every Charlie/Claire post really gets on Claire's case. I guess I see things completely differently - oh well, that doesn't bother me.

I really think it's unfair to expect Claire to (a) be with Charlie every moment of every day. How do we know that she didn't ask what was wrong with him and he told her he wanted to be alone? We don't have enough information to go on and I'm not quite sure why Claire has to shoulder the blame. (b) I liked those scenes at the end. I thought they showed how comfortable C/C are with eachother in everyday situations; people aren't going to hug and kiss all the time to show affection.

I prefer Claire to Charlie anyway, so I guess that accounts for our different perspectives.

I guess I viewed it a little different. I think this episode was more about Charlie himself, and at the end they showed us a happy Charlie as opposed to a love-sick or a moping Charlie. I was pleased with it.

you know, i am a HUGE fan of charlie/ clare, but i wasn't upset by the lack of typical affection from them tonight. jin/sun, had their flower thing which is what they do, and charlie and clare has their great talking and being silly moment which is what they do. part of the love they have is their friendship. as is part of the love in any great relationship.

I agree that's a great thing about them, but if that's ALL we get, then they really are no more than friends and not a ship. I had thought they were moving towards something more. There's been no more advancement beyond the imaginary peanut butter two years ago.

I guess I'm a glutton for punishment -every Charlie/Claire post really gets on Claire's case. I guess I see things completely differently - oh well, that doesn't bother me.

I really think it's unfair to expect Claire to (a) be with Charlie every moment of every day. How do we know that she didn't ask what was wrong with him and he told her he wanted to be alone? We don't have enough information to go on and I'm not quite sure why Claire has to shoulder the blame. (b) I liked those scenes at the end. I thought they showed how comfortable C/C are with eachother in everyday situations; people aren't going to hug and kiss all the time to show affection.

I prefer Claire to Charlie anyway, so I guess that accounts for our different perspectives.

I know we disagree Betsy, and I don't mean to make it sound like I'm always bashing Claire, but Cahrlie's done all he can do at this point. Claire needs to be the one to make the next move and call the shots and she's not doing that. They have a nice friendship, but it's frustrating to not see them progress. I know Charlie would love to move things along, so the problem has to be with Claire.

Of course she doesn't have to be with him all the time, but Hurley wasn't and he knew something was up. Of course we can always assume things happen off camera, but in that case I'm disappointed and would like to have seen it. I need onscreen evidence that she cares because it's been so long since LTDA. Even in relationships people need periodic reassurance and ship supporters do too. Of course people don't ned to hug and kiss all the time but these two practically never do. I'm not asking for cage sex, just a little affection that shows these two are moving beyond friends.

I guess I viewed it a little different. I think this episode was more about Charlie himself, and at the end they showed us a happy Charlie as opposed to a love-sick or a moping Charlie. I was pleased with it.


That's totally what it was about and don't get me wrong, I was pleased with it too, I just keep hoping for that Charlie/Claire scene that builds on that kiss we saw nine months ago. We've barely had any scenes with them together and when they are together it's like that kiss never happened. All it showed was Charlie was out of the doghouse but their relationship hasn't budged.

I do agree with many of the points you've made, Pace. Claire's issue with not being overly affectionate with Charlie undoubtedly has to do with her trust issues; she can't let herself be really close with anyone. Claire is probably giving as much as she's capable of giving right now- in real life, her issues would require therapy and a very understanding love interest.

I think Claire's flashback will explain a lot, but I'm not sure of the Charlie/Claire romantic timeline yet. I truly believe she will rush to Charlie's side when she finds out about Desmond's prediction, probably after she gets upset about the Sun affair. I really want to know more about the Desmond/Charlie/Claire storyline.

I have just been glad to see Claire getting screen time to even think much about romantic Claire/Charlie, but I really, really miss it. I think we need to see more of that or it's just going to be one big who cares. Until I saw a pic of them in Lost magazine, I'd almost forgotten about their wonderful chemistry because we hardly saw them together. The writers did say that C/C would intensify near the end of the season, so that's encouraging

Based on what we now know it seems like Claire will hopefully come to find out about the death prediction at the end of episode 12, which may bring them closer after Charlie interferes with the bird plan. I hope she finds out and acts like she cares. Then according to Carlton, it seems like Charlie's role in the Sun attack will come out in episode 16 so that should cause problems for them again. If they do come back together after all that, it won't be until Charlie's episode (19-21) in which hopefully he won't die. If they get closer this season only for him to die I'll be one angry fan. Of course all of that completely contradicts what Kristin had said about Charlie and Claire getting more screentime, zooming towards couplehood and getting hot and heavy very quickly on the show's return. That's what I keep expecting to see and it's not happening. Charlie's now getting screentime, but no real "Charlie/Claire". Should I be surprised that Kristin was wrong?

Based on what we now know it seems like Claire will hopefully come to find out about the death prediction at the end of episode 12, which may bring them closer after Charlie interferes with the bird plan. I hope she finds out and acts like she cares. Then according to Carlton, it seems like Charlie's role in the Sun attack will come out in episode 16 so that should cause problems for them again. If they do come back together after all that, it won't be until Charlie's episode (19-21) in which hopefully he won't die. If they get closer this season only for him to die I'll be one angry fan. Of course all of that completely contradicts what Kristin had said about Charlie and Claire getting more screentime, zooming towards couplehood and getting hot and heavy very quickly on the show's return. That's what I keep expecting to see and it's not happening. Charlie's now getting screentime, but no real "Charlie/Claire". Should I be surprised that Kristin was wrong?


I agree with you there. I'd be pretty pissed too.

Honestly, so far every person that has died (With the exception of Libby) have died in a flashback episode. I am so afraid that this isn't the case for Charlie. I don't know about the future episodes, but ever since Desmond told Charlie about his demise, I've been so nervous every episode because I am so scared they will off Charlie without a flashback. But now that you say he has a flashback episode...that makes me even more nervous. LOL

I don't know if you agree or not Pace, and I surely don't want Charlie to die. But the only way that I will actually be...I guess...content?...with his death, is if he dies in some heroic way to protect Claire and Aaron. Honestly, I think Charlie as a character deserves that.

I don't think Charlie dying to save Aaron or Claire would be satisfying for me. Of course the first reason is I don't want him to die, so I prefer he think he's making the ultimate sacrifice only to cheat death and survive. That would be the best thing. I'm afraid anything short of saving everyone on the island would be too tragic.

I don't want Charlie to die for Claire or even Aaron alone. He's been risking his neck for them (literally) since they met. It wouldn't be character development, it wouldn't be an arc and it wouldn't be redemption. He'll end up in the same place he was when he started -- a martyr. As we saw from his flashbacks, he was always a martyr figure with co-dependency issues. Now he's clingy with Claire and to die for her would just be par for the course, not growth.

Now if Charlie sacrifices himself to save someone other than Claire, that might be something, but I consider Charlie heroic anyway. He risked his life to save Jack from the cave, Eko from the hatch, he doesn't have to prove anything. I just want to see him find some inner peace with himself for once and stand on his own. I don't think death is a necessary element for his development. He needs contentment, confidence and independence.

Kristin is like a balloon, prick her and the hot air lets out and she's nothing but a deflated old rag.

I adore Claire, but I really like Charlie as well and forgetting C/C, I would be very aggravated if he died. I despise character deaths when they are done for no reason and there is no reason for Charlie to die. Even if he resolves his issues - what are the writers saying? That he (or anyone else) doesn't deserve the chance to live a happy, ordinary life (once they are rescued)? Depressing depressing depressing notion. Also, the writers struck gold with Claire and Charlie; they weren't even supposed to be together. Why destroy a couple with genuine chemistry ? It makes no sense whatsoever.

Kristin is like a balloon, prick her and the hot air lets out and she's nothing but a deflated old rag.

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I adore Claire, but I really like Charlie as well and forgetting C/C, I would be very aggravated if he died. I despise character deaths when they are done for no reason and there is no reason for Charlie to die. Even if he resolves his issues - what are the writers saying? That he (or anyone else) doesn't deserve the chance to live a happy, ordinary life (once they are rescued)? Depressing depressing depressing notion. Also, the writers struck gold with Claire and Charlie; they weren't even supposed to be together. Why destroy a couple with genuine chemistry ? It makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree! Yay, we agree! They didn't even know what they had when they cast those two. Then they put them in a scene together and WOW! How can a couple like that not be destined? They're two tired old souls in young bodies that have been hurt, betrayed and abandoned time and again. They're a perfect physical match, as well. They just seem so right, how can this be wrong? I want to believe that Locke's vision of them as a married family was a true sign of their future. They've both been dumped on by life and they deserve happiness. These are not characters like Eko or Ana who did terrible things to people. I'm not saying the other characters deserved to die (Shannon's was certainly tragic), but this would be so tremendously unsatisfying because although Shannon started out hateful, Charlie and Claire are two people you root for. I'd lose all hope if they didn't live happily ever after.

Trust me, I am all on board the Save the Junkie train. I don't want Charlie to die whatsoever. I know I'd cry. LOL

I'm just saying -if- the writer's do it...that's how I'd like to see it happen.

As far as the Martyr deal, I honestly wouldn't mind that. But that's just me.

But I do agree that he does need some independence, and he sure as hell needs confidence. Hopefully their little van ride would help to make him feel more...uhh..alive I guess.

They needed some fun..and they got it..now hopefully Charlie won't mope around for a while.

Trust me, I am all on board the Save the Junkie train. I don't want Charlie to die whatsoever. I know I'd cry. LOL

I'm just saying -if- the writer's do it...that's how I'd like to see it happen.

As far as the Martyr deal, I honestly wouldn't mind that. But that's just me.



But just explain to me how that would represent growth for the character. How is that a redemption arc?

I'm not saying it would be growth, or redemption on his part. All I'm saying is that this entire time, Charlie has been the...Protector...to Claire and Aaron. And that is his -choice-. It's what he's chosen for himself because he cares very deeply for them both. Even when he was babynapping...he was still trying to do good, trying to protect Aaron. He just went about it the wrong way.

I just think that all of this protection that he's given them, I think it'd be a shame if he died in some pointless manner. And I'm not necessarily saying that saving another's life would be pointless. I'm talking Shannon, Ana, and Libby deaths. I don't want Charlie to die like that, if he has to die.

If he saved another's life over than Claire and Aaron..that'd be okay too.

I'm just saying, for me, personally, if Charlie absolutely has to die, the only way I would be 100% content with it is if he sacrificed himself for Claire or Aaron or both.

Well if the actor wanted to leave then they might have no choice but to end it that way. Otherwise, it would just be bad storytelling. If Charlie lives, fate is in their control and Desmond can still change things and maybe be with Penny again. Other than the actor wanting out prematurely, there is no good reason that serves either the character or the story for Charlie to die.

Let's hope Dom continues to like his job. lol

Yeah, everyone keep their eyes out for interviews, or anything that you can find that would point to Dominic loosing interest.

Charlie has been my favourite character from the start and he was afterall, one of the main characters at the start of the season which has to count for something. I hate the fact that no one thinks Kate or Jack will die, but Charlie is 'ok' dying.

Im not really going for the Charlie/Claire ship. Im just going for more Claire screentime with or without Charlie.

Am I the only one getting sick of the constant. Charlie and Claire will be dealt with in the next few episodes crap. I think we've been hearing that since the start of this season.

Personally I have got a good feeling about next weeks episode for C&C. This week Sun and Jin bagged the lovey dovey moments and fair play to them, because they have been terribly neglected. Charlie had issues to resolve within himself (not concerning Claire.)

BUT at the end of this weeks ep you have Charlie returning to the camp filled with hope and lust for life...and he makes a beeline straight for Claire! Thats a good sign. I get the feeling we might see the return of OutrageousFlirt Charlie of the first few episodes of S1.

Personally I have got a good feeling about next weeks episode for C&C. This week Sun and Jin bagged the lovey dovey moments and fair play to them, because they have been terribly neglected. Charlie had issues to resolve within himself (not concerning Claire.)

BUT at the end of this weeks ep you have Charlie returning to the camp filled with hope and lust for life...and he makes a beeline straight for Claire! Thats a good sign. I get the feeling we might see the return of OutrageousFlirt Charlie of the first few episodes of S1.

I hope you're right and if that does happen, I hope Claire responds. I think he does better with Claire when he's relaxed and happy and not insecure. The conditions are perfect right now for some advancement.

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I agree! Yay, we agree! They didn't even know what they had when they cast those two. Then they put them in a scene together and WOW! How can a couple like that not be destined? They're two tired old souls in young bodies that have been hurt, betrayed and abandoned time and again. They're a perfect physical match, as well. They just seem so right, how can this be wrong? I want to believe that Locke's vision of them as a married family was a true sign of their future. They've both been dumped on by life and they deserve happiness. These are not characters like Eko or Ana who did terrible things to people. I'm not saying the other characters deserved to die (Shannon's was certainly tragic), but this would be so tremendously unsatisfying because although Shannon started out hateful, Charlie and Claire are two people you root for. I'd lose all hope if they didn't live happily ever after.

Hey, you made great points about Claire, Pace - we really are just fighting for our favorite characters. I like being on your side!

Claire and Charlie have been neglected for a long time, but to be fair, the whole cast has (except for Kate, Jack and Sawyer) - even Sayid, who was a major, major character in season one. C/C are really sweet together - remember Claire's diary entry that she really likes Charlie? I'm still going "awwwwwwww" about that one. For characters that have been shunted to the side for the most part, Claire and Charlie have a large, loyal following. I don't necessarily think writers should kow tow to fans (actually, I don't think they should at all) when they have a vision, but I really think there would be a minor uproar if Charlie (and thus, Claire/Charlie) died. I've had my issues with good ole Chuck at times, but he's a decent, troubled guy trying to do right and he tries hard (sometimes too hard with Claire, but he cares a lot). I'd like to think that he's going to have the chance to live his life, whatever happens. I don't want anyone to die....I'm way too attached to the original Losties.
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Well if the actor wanted to leave then they might have no choice but to end it that way. Otherwise, it would just be bad storytelling. If Charlie lives, fate is in their control and Desmond can still change things and maybe be with Penny again. Other than the actor wanting out prematurely, there is no good reason that serves either the character or the story for Charlie to die.

Agreed, Pace. I don't see one good reason to kill Charlie .......I've said it before, but if he dies and Desmond's prediction is right, then what hope is there for the others? For us? I don't want to tie the writers hands so that they can't kill if needed, but there is plenty of story for Charlie.....

If I knew that Dom wanted out, then Charlie dying for Aaron and Claire would be fine, but I still think it would suck. I want the writers to find stories for Charlie and Claire together AND separately - they are individuals, not siamese twins. The upcoming Charlie/Claire/Desmond storylines are going to be great, but if Charlie dies, I will still be depressed regardless of how good the storytelling is