Someone back me up here.

During the interview at the Chicken Shack...Hurley talkes about the guy jumping out of the window at his accountant's office.

Unless my memory is failing me...remember back to the epi when Hurley was in the office with the accountant...he mentiones the Chicken Shack getting hit by a meteor along with all his other bad luck...then the guy falls past the window. Um...what? What came first..the Chicken Shack or the Egg?

In our current epi...Hurley goes to Austrailia days after the CS gets destroyed by the meteor. Randy is with Hurley when this happens outside the restaurant.

In "Walkabout" Randy is Locke's boss...a few days before Locke goes to Austrailia...

Unless Randy is a twin...and his brother is named Randy...how could this be possible?

Dude, I'm just about to go to bed and you gotta hit me with this!

DAYAM! I think you're onto something here. It's as if at both occurrences, he had the "memory" of the other occurrence. Kind of like how Desmond remembers 1996 from the Island, and remembers the Island from 1996. As for Randy, color me confuzzled.

Good one!!

Someone back me up here.

During the interview at the Chicken Shack...Hurley talkes about the guy jumping out of the window at his accountant's office.

Unless my memory is failing me...remember back to the epi when Hurley was in the office with the accountant...he mentiones the Chicken Shack getting hit by a meteor along with all his other bad luck...then the guy falls past the window. Um...what? What came first..the Chicken Shack or the Egg?

In our current epi...Hurley goes to Austrailia days after the CS gets destroyed by the meteor. Randy is with Hurley when this happens outside the restaurant.

In "Walkabout" Randy is Locke's boss...a few days before Locke goes to Austrailia...

Unless Randy is a twin...and his brother is named Randy...how could this be possible?

Good one Baileysdad! You got TPTB on that one! I didn't even notice that, but you are definitely right.

WOW!!! WOW, im gonna watch that epi tomorrow morning

WOW!!! WOW, im gonna watch that epi tomorrow morning


Let us know...

I still may be wrong about the conversation in the accountant's office...he mentioned the CS getting hit...I am not certain it was there...maybe 90 percent.

But the Randy thing? That one is going to be hard to explain...

Unless turning the failsafe key altered their memories somehow, I think you have a very good argument! Maybe Gregg can shed some light on it. :)

Did Hurley mention the meteor in his meeting with his accountant? I'm pretty sure the detail only surfaced on island, in a chat with Jack (http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/Man_of_Science_Lost.htm).

Hurley didn't mention the meteor to the accountant. He first mentioned it to Jack in 2x01- "Man of Science, Man of Faith".

Someone back me up here.

During the interview at the Chicken Shack...Hurley talkes about the guy jumping out of the window at his accountant's office.

Unless my memory is failing me...remember back to the epi when Hurley was in the office with the accountant...he mentiones the Chicken Shack getting hit by a meteor along with all his other bad luck...then the guy falls past the window. Um...what? What came first..the Chicken Shack or the Egg?

In our current epi...Hurley goes to Austrailia days after the CS gets destroyed by the meteor. Randy is with Hurley when this happens outside the restaurant.

In "Walkabout" Randy is Locke's boss...a few days before Locke goes to Austrailia...

Unless Randy is a twin...and his brother is named Randy...how could this be possible?

Wow, that's some memory you've got there. I can't wait to read this thread once we've reviewed the Hurley/accountant thread. Love your line about the Randy being a twin...funny.

good catch!!! im off work tomorrow; i just might watch those mofos back to back!
its so annoying that i have no idea whether this was done on purpose or whether it was just a screw up.

No, it was a shoe factory that burned down in "Numbers," BD.

But I immediately called "FOUL!" when I saw Randy there as Mr. Cluck's manager, too. Hurley left for Australia a day or two later. Thus, Randy could NOT be Mr. Cluck's manager at that time. He was supervising at the Tustin box factory by then.

The continuity people at LOST have simply stopped caring. The writers, producers, and even Gregg failed to catch this faux pas. And it was no small faux pas. Bet even some of the casual viewers caught it! So the LOST folks blew this one big time.

Was nice seeing Randy having to be all keester-kisser with Hurley, though! :biggrin:

:eek2: The Randy thing is weird, if anyone posts to Gregg please leave us a link to it!

Hmmm . . . I thought Hurley gave Randy the box boss job because the chicken place was no more. He could have done this before he left for Australia. :undecide:

Do we know for sure Hurley leaves a day or two after the meteor, is it possible it was more then a week. If it really is that small a time window, this is definitely something to ask Gregg about.

Hmmm . . . I thought Hurley gave Randy the box boss job because the chicken place was no more. He could have done this before he left for Australia. :undecide:

Yes, that would make sense, but we're talking only a couple of days for Randy to relocate, start his new job, and know Locke well enough to make fun of him. That's a lot to happen in 2-3 days.... Even if it was more like a week or two, that's still quite a bit. :undecide:

Good thinking, BaileysDad!

I haven't read this whole thing, but if you remember correctly, I believe Walkabout spanned more than just a few days. The one scene in which we see him in the office and the day that he trys to embark on the Walkabout could be months apart.

yeah, the only way I can see this isn't sort of messed up is that we didn't get a strong sense of how much time passed between the chicken shack being hit and Hurley leaving...the stuff with his dad could've been going on for a while, though I got the impression it was only a few days as well...

it's really not that important in the grand scheme of things though and knowing it doesn't hinder my enjoyment of anything.

it is kind of fun though.

Sounds to me like a simple chronological error on the part of the writers. I suppose they're permitted one every now and then, with flashbacks as detailed and out of order as those on Lost.

Looks like the conversation with the accountant didn't happen about the CS...thanks for correcting me STH...expect to be banned.:)

But...the Randy thing is still there...

Even if it was a month...how does one go from working at the Chicken Shack to being upper management at a medium sized business like that? That is one fast turn around..

I'm not too sure about how many days passed either. But, since Hurley had plenty of money, maybe he gave Randy the job the next day and had him flown to Tustin right away.

Also, we know Locke and Hurley got on the same flight back to the states but we can be sure they were not in the same flight in. Do we know how many days Hurley spent looking for Sam Toomey? Because that might give Locke plenty of time to meet his new boss Randy and then fly to Australia for his Walkabout.

i'm not sure i am seeing the continuity error here?

hurley never mentioned the CS getting hit in Numbers. As pointed above. It was the fire he mentioned in the factory.

Then he goes to Australia, and if I'm not mistaken, we have no idea how long he is there. Do we? days? weeks? months? We know that Locke wasn't there long as he got to the walkabout place and was denied and sent back to Sydney then back to LA. But Hurley could have been hanging out in Australia for months by then. And after the CS fire, he could've put Randy in charge of the box company


Stupid thing is how or why Randy and Hurley are even friends at this point. And was that a new actor playing Randy?

Yes, that would make sense, but we're talking only a couple of days for Randy to relocate, start his new job, and know Locke well enough to make fun of him. That's a lot to happen in 2-3 days.... Even if it was more like a week or two, that's still quite a bit. :undecide:

Good thinking, BaileysDad!

Not to mention we would have to factor in the number of days that passed after Locke quit and went to Australia. I think they definitely goofed here. Unless they use Desmond's time travel as a band aid :rolleyes:

I don't know that we really know when the meteor hit the Chicken Shack in the timeline...

To Jack in MOS/MOF: " my grandpa died, my house caught on fire, the chicken joint that I worked at got hit by a meteor -- well, actually meteorite"

Maybe Hurley really doesn't make it to Australia immediately following tonight's events. I know they mentioned it, but possibly something happens that would prevent the trip at that time? So the timeline might be...

Worked for Randy at Chicken Shack.
Quits job.
Wins lottery.
Buys Box Company - guy jumps off roof (Locke maybe?)Buys Chicken Shack - hires Randy to work for him.
Chicken Shack gets hit by meteor
(Hurley never makes it to Australia here)
Hurley gives Randy a job at the box company
Locke works for Randy at Box Company.
Hurley goes to Australia

ETA - OMG I'm such a bad slow-poster tonight... There's 10 posts since I started typing, please disregard if this has been brought up..

Looks like the conversation with the accountant didn't happen about the CS...thanks for correcting me STH...expect to be banned.:)

But...the Randy thing is still there...

Even if it was a month...how does one go from working at the Chicken Shack to being upper management at a medium sized business like that? That is one fast turn around..

Guilt? Hurley feels like he's responsible for all the bad luck befalling everyone. And since he owns the place he can give anyone a position he cares to do so.

As for Randy making fun of Locke in a short time, I don't see that as a big deal. Didn't he make fun of Hurley and his friend at the chicken place when they worked under him? I think it's his way.

And I think the time frame is longer than a few days. It just seems shorter because of the way the writers reveal things on the show. It's hard to get a good sense of the "real" time when they go back and forth between the flashbacks and the island.

In Walkabout, Randy's hair long and he had facial hair, while in this episode it is fairly short. So unless, he's got some sort of miracle gro for hair, I don't think Randy got a job at the box factory a week later.

One more thing, Randy didn't have to relocate very far. Tustin is just a short drive from Diamond Bar where the chicken place was located.

In Walkabout, Randy's hair long and he had facial hair, while in this episode it is fairly short. So unless, he's got some sort of miracle gro for hair, I don't think Randy got a job at the box factory a week later.

Tricia Tanaka is Dead (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=1258&pos=98)
Walkabout (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?album=22&pos=291)

That's a good amount of growth there. Definitely more than a few days...

But it's good to know Tustin is near Diamond Bar!

We don't really know how long Hurley was in Australia. It could've taken him awhile to find Sam Toomey's house. He could've stayed longer because he wasn't satisfied with the "answers" the lady gave him. He could've stayed longer because he didn't want to go and bring the curse back near his family. He could've stayed longer because his didn't want to go back and see his Dad.

Someone back me up here.

During the interview at the Chicken Shack...Hurley talkes about the guy jumping out of the window at his accountant's office.

Unless my memory is failing me...remember back to the epi when Hurley was in the office with the accountant...he mentiones the Chicken Shack getting hit by a meteor along with all his other bad luck...then the guy falls past the window. Um...what? What came first..the Chicken Shack or the Egg?

?

Hey
..yes your memory failed you..but you did remember it kind of. It was the sneaker factory tragedy your thinking of--thats what he mentiones when the guy falls

So no...no major timeline error guys

What makes everyone think that his dad wasn't with them for months? You can't tell durations of time in flashbacks.

Also Hurley didn't necessarily come to Australia at the same time Locke did, he could've been there for months, he could also conduct business via phone and take care of Randy's situation in a day. When you have hundreds of millions people will work wonders for you. Plus Locke was probably only in Australia a day since he didn't get to go on the walkabout.

Just another example of how lazy the writers of Lost have become. It's sad.

Why does everyone think Walkabout happened after TTID? It could have been the opposite. Hurley wins the money, buys the box company, sets up Randy as Locke's boss. Time passes. Hurley buys CS and brings Randy from the box company to CS and forces him to get a haircut and shave. Hurley and Locke go to Australia.

I think you'll are confused on a few issues. Hurley won the lottery a year before going to Australia. So, there is plenty of time for Randy to get a job at the box company. Secondly, remember that Hurley OWNS the box company, so he likely was involved in getting Randy a job there. Thirdly, we see Locke and Randy at the box company a month before Flight 815, and we don't receive any information about how long Randy has been at the box company.

The introduction of "time corrections" has blown all timeline questions out of the water. If Desmond is going round and round in an evolving, correcting time loop, then chances are they all are. All bets are off. Anyone could be anywhere, at any time.

The introduction of "time corrections" has blown all timeline questions out of the water. If Desmond is going round and round in an evolving, correcting time loop, then chances are they all are. All bets are off. Anyone could be anywhere, at any time.

*Head Esplodes*

"GFGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHFFFFGGGGGGGG"

Seriously, this is what I like to call a Speed Bump. Writers find a slightly wayward charachter/event and try to tie it all up with logic that nobody buys. I love to look for conspiracy but this is probaby one of their cluck ups that will have to be ignored.

Honestly, I didn't even notice any of this stuff when I watched the episode outside of the fact that a space stone ruined one of his businesses like Hurley had mentioned. Anywho, it may or may not mean anything.

Good eyes to everyone who noticed the disturbances. As for me? I won't worry much about it, but I DEFINATLY will keep it in mind.

I agree with the p[oster above that Hurley could have given Randy a job at the box company to tide him over while Mr. Cluck's was being built, then brought him back over to Mr. Cluck's. Randy is such a terrible boss that perhaps the box company execs wanted him out of there.

It probably is a continuity error, but it's easy enough to retcon without getting twisted up in knots.

Cardie

I noticed this during the episode and I think it's just a continuity error. It happens. I didn't get the sense that Hurley's dad was there for very long; it seemed like it was a few days to a week. Of course, it's pretty difficult to tell how much time is supposed to be passing in the f/b without some sort of obvious reference.

I don't get the sense this was a continuity error.... For several reasons.

1.) We haven't had enough Hurley flashbacks to discover a precise time line. This is the only one he's had directly before going to Australia.

2.) He mentioned the Mr. Clucks getting hit by the Meteorite to Jack in "Man of Science, Man of Faith".

3.) Locke could have been planning his trip for 6 months to a year, before actually going. All he said in Walkabout, was he was taking the trip, when talking to co-workers and "Phone-a-Friend" . not next week or next month. No specific time was given.

Yeh this could be cleared up, not that the writers will bother trying to, but i don't care too much about it anyway. I just can't believe people are comparing the length of Randy's hair, what you think they pre-planned this 3 seasons before, or do you think they had Randy's hair cut short on purpose to make it look like time had passed. Oh please they just called the actor back and by preference he just had shorter hair. What about Charlie's hair growing really fast in the space of two months they've been there, i'm pretty sure it's grown twice really long and he's had to have had it cut. Probably the same with Sawyer aswell, do you think Charlie has magic hair? Or maybe it's because THEY'VE BEEN ON SET FOR THREE YEARS.

Why does everyone think Walkabout happened after TTID? It could have been the opposite. Hurley wins the money, buys the box company, sets up Randy as Locke's boss. Time passes. Hurley buys CS and brings Randy from the box company to CS and forces him to get a haircut and shave. Hurley and Locke go to Australia.

Seems perfectly logical to me. And since the CS was reopening he could have brought Randy up just a day or two before the meteor hits..

The meteor crash was definitely mentioned prior to this episode. I think the writers were just changing the story a bit to fit into this flashback.

I think you'll are confused on a few issues. Hurley won the lottery a year before going to Australia. So, there is plenty of time for Randy to get a job at the box company. Secondly, remember that Hurley OWNS the box company, so he likely was involved in getting Randy a job there. Thirdly, we see Locke and Randy at the box company a month before Flight 815, and we don't receive any information about how long Randy has been at the box company.

This seems to be the best way for the timeline to pan out without being contrived. It's not impossible for Hurley's dad to have been there for months, but certainly a stretch considering what we know from this episode. But then again - his mother was not very keen on the idea, so who knows for how long she delayed his trip?

Speaking of Gregg... and Randy - can anyone confirm Randy's last name was 'Nations' before or could this be a small tribute to Gregg from the writers? :D (or pure coincidence?)

Hmmm...interesting...

I guess the question is, do we know for sure that when Hurley leaves with his suitcases he's *actually* going to Australia immediately? Its possible something could have happened to prevent/delay him from going, right?

And as mentioned, we also have no idea how long Hurley was in Australia before flight 815...

I don't think this is necessarily an error - as usual, we just don't have all of the pertinent info ;)

I think you'll are confused on a few issues. Hurley won the lottery a year before going to Australia. So, there is plenty of time for Randy to get a job at the box company. Secondly, remember that Hurley OWNS the box company, so he likely was involved in getting Randy a job there. Thirdly, we see Locke and Randy at the box company a month before Flight 815, and we don't receive any information about how long Randy has been at the box company.

Yes, I agree. After the CS got hit, it seemed like Hurley stayed around for a while debating whether to go to Australia or not. There is nothing that says he left within the next few days.

Just another example of how lazy the writers of Lost have become. It's sad.

People are eager to start blaming TPTB for errors before they get the facts.

Wow, this has been a good thread. So many ideas. Look what you all started now!

I am confused though. Randy was at the CS when the meteor hit and Hurley went to Australia soon afterwards. Randy also shows up at the box company with Locke a month before Locke goes to Australia. Is Randy in two places at once? Or are we looking at two possible realities, kind of like the Desmond experience. There has been so much posted on here, can someone try to clarify?

I would appreciate it. Thanks!

what struck me as odd, was the fact that Randy didn't seem like the jerk in this new episode compared to how he treated Locke at the box company. I realize that he now works for Hurley, however, his entire demeanor was different, did anyone else notice this?

Furthermore, I seriously doubt that this is a continuity error, I mean, this whole show had been based on clues that are so minute, that I don't see TPTB making a mistake such as this. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Yep, the only mention of the meteor.. uh, meteorite.. was to Jack. As for Randy, that is a bit odd. Granted Hurley owned the box factory (mentioned in the accountant's office), but even if Hurley got him a job there immediately, that wouldn't explain him being there when Locke was there, unless he'd JUST started the job before we see him there... ??

Also, as someone else stated, we have no idea how long Hurley was in Australia.. considering where Martha Toomey lived, it could have taken him months just to find her once he got there...

Just a writing error? Possibly?

Looks like the conversation with the accountant didn't happen about the CS...thanks for correcting me STH...expect to be banned.:)

But...the Randy thing is still there...

Even if it was a month...how does one go from working at the Chicken Shack to being upper management at a medium sized business like that? That is one fast turn around..

I'm not too sure about how many days passed either. But, since Hurley had plenty of money, maybe he gave Randy the job the next day and had him flown to Tustin right away.

Also, we know Locke and Hurley got on the same flight back to the states but we can be sure they were not in the same flight in. Do we know how many days Hurley spent looking for Sam Toomey? Because that might give Locke plenty of time to meet his new boss Randy and then fly to Australia for his Walkabout.It's pretty much been said but I agree that since we don't know exactly how long it was between the CS destruction and Hurley's flight to Australia or how long Hurley was in Aus. before he caught flight 815, we can't call foul yet. Also, since Hurley owned the box co., he could appoint Randy to any position he wanted so that's no big deal. And if Randy is the jerk he appears to be, it wouldn't take him long to start razzing Locke. He could have always found out stuff about him from other employees. Being a boss has its "privileges" with employees that want to keep their jobs (if you know what I mean).

Yep, the only mention of the meteor.. uh, meteorite.. was to Jack. As for Randy, that is a bit odd. Granted Hurley owned the box factory (mentioned in the accountant's office), but even if Hurley got him a job there immediately, that wouldn't explain him being there when Locke was there, unless he'd JUST started the job before we see him there... ??

Also, as someone else stated, we have no idea how long Hurley was in Australia.. considering where Martha Toomey lived, it could have taken him months just to find her once he got there...

I completely agree with this.
1) Randy is a jerk enough to try to impress his new boss at the box factory by 'getting everyone in line' in his first week. He was probably just being the jerk boss to Locke from day one. We could have seen him teasing Locke on his third day!

2) I think that Hurley was in Austalia for a significant amount of time. Martha Toomey was in the middle of nowhere. It could have taken him several weeks at the short end to find her, go to her house, get back to Sidney, and fly out. At the same time, it seems like Locke got to Australia and was sent back very quickly (perhaps only a day or two) Couple that with the fact that he fired his butler and paid them off just like that, he could have offered Randy a new job the day the meteor hit, told him not to worry about anything, and sent him up to the box company.

Just my thought

Just wanted to throw in my support.

I think it's far to early to call this an error yet. Several people have brought up very plausible time lines that aren't too much of a stretch. I personally like the idea of Randy working at the box company, and then being removed from there and brought back to open mr clucks.

I doubt we'll ever know if it was "planned" or if they screwed up and are just vague enough on the timeline that it all works out anyway.

At best it's a goof, but not damning entirely.

if it's a goof or can be explained by Hurley being in Australia for a long time, it would be an easy thing for the writers to make clear. One of his FB's could start with him on the phone just confirming to give Randy a job at the box company. Then there is no issue here. It's the fact that they didn't do that which bothers me. unless it's intentional (timeline looping).

LOST used to be so good at the little things. Even the mention that Hurley owns a box company was mentioned in passing and the fans were allowed to realize it was Locke's company that he owned. They seem to be missing those little nuances that really made the show great for me.

Ha. Where there's a will, there's a fanwank.

I don't know if this is relevant or not, but if I remember right by the conversation between Hurley and the accountant, it didn't seem like Hurley even had any intention to "own" a box company. The accountant says something like "You are now the majority shareholder of a box company in Tustin," and Hurley's like "Box company?" and the accountant replies "Everybody needs boxes."

Someone back me up here.

During the interview at the Chicken Shack...Hurley talkes about the guy jumping out of the window at his accountant's office.

Unless my memory is failing me...remember back to the epi when Hurley was in the office with the accountant...he mentiones the Chicken Shack getting hit by a meteor along with all his other bad luck...then the guy falls past the window. Um...what? What came first..the Chicken Shack or the Egg?
Hurley did not mention the Chicken Shack getting hit with a meteor in the conversation with his accountant in the office. He did mention it once, but I think it was on the island to Jack or someone; in any event, it for sure was NOT in that scene with the accountant in the office building. Check it out, here is the text of that flashback scene:

[FLASHBACK]

[We see Hurley in his accountant's office.]

KEN HALPERIN: I would think you'd be happy. Every one of your stocks is up. Your interest in orange futures skyrocketed after those tropical storms hit Florida. And, you are now the majority shareholder in a box company in Tustin.

HURLEY: A box company?

KEN: Mmhmm. They make boxes, lucrative business. Everybody needs boxes. Which reminds me, your sneaker company in Canada. . .

HURLEY: I have a sneaker company in Canada?

KEN: Well, not any more. It was destroyed in a fire last month.

HURLEY: Of course it was.

KEN: You might have read about it -- 8 something people died. But, the good news is we over-insured it. It's going to yield you a windfall of cash. And, when we add in the generous settlement from the LAPD for your false arrest you almost doubled your net worth in a few short months. I still can't imagine how the police mistook you for a drug dealer.

HURLEY: Bad luck.

KEN: Hugo, you are not the first lottery winner to believe the money's brought them nothing but trouble. It's all in your head.

HURLEY: What, you don't believe in jinxes? You know, curses?

KEN: I'm an accountant, I believe in numbers. Hey, where'd you get them, anyway?

HURLEY: What?

KEN: The winning numbers. What'd you use somebody's birthday, phone number?

HURLEY: No, it's nothing, it's something that I...

KEN: What?

HURLEY: That's it. It's not the money, it's the numbers. The numbers are cursed. Dude, don't look at me like that, I'm not crazy. This is real.

KEN: Hugo, the numbers aren't cursed. You know there is no such thing as a...

[A body falls past the window behind the accountant.]

[Back on the island we see Michael hammering on the raft, as Walt approaches. Sawyer is trying to read A Wrinkle in Time.]

Source: http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/season1.html (The episode was "Numbers", Season One)

P.S. edited to add:

Hmmm . . . I thought Hurley gave Randy the box boss job because the chicken place was no more. He could have done this before he left for Australia. :undecide:
Exactly. I don't think it is any sort of stretch to imagine Hurley making Randy the supervisor at his (Hurley's) box company, once the meteor hit the Chicken Shack. Pretty generous, that, considering how Randy treated Hurley, but I digress. If anything, this just confirms what we already knew but had not been confirmed: The box company that Hurley owns is indeed the box company at which Locke toiled away in obscurity.

Thanks for posting the conversation between Hurley and his accountant cause I also caught the part "doubled his net worth in just a few short months." Plus with Hurley we have to remember when he was int he pysch ward over that balcony breaking and all he had been feeling guilty over that for a quite a while, so who is to say maybe he was feeling guilty over the Chicken Shack quite a while before his mom called his dad and his dad showed up.

The introduction of "time corrections" has blown all timeline questions out of the water. If Desmond is going round and round in an evolving, correcting time loop, then chances are they all are. All bets are off. Anyone could be anywhere, at any time.This is not what's happening. Until actual dates, times and locations are definite all we can do is "feel" it was this long or that long or short. We cannot say that the writers goofed and are using Desmond's ability or Desmond's ability is manipulating the Losties (especially before he even got the ability!).

It's not a continuity error - yet. It's simply that to some it appears to be too short a time span but there's no yes or no until actual dates and times are given and that probably won't happen as it's really not needed at this point and may never be needed. The reason for Hurley's back-story was to explain his joy over the VW Van and to understand more about his concern over the numbers and feeling jinxed. It's not a major plot hole at all.

i dont get it..i think this whole topic is a bit off logic..i mean,how do we know that Hurley doesnt own the shoe company,clucks and a million other companies for all we know,has the joint hit by a meteor,some time later(we are completely CLUELESS on how much time it had passed)he leaves to someplace else(we can only ASSUME that he went straight down under)and in the meanwhile has set up Randy in some other position is one of his other companies?i mean,its really not fair to start being so sceptic and unbeleiving for our own good....we rule when we point out continuity mistakes or misplaced props and whatnot,but lets not overreact,dont you think?it just spoils thefun and makes us suspicious and bitter...just my two cents:undecide:
some times theres just no wrongs....

Way to go, Baileysdad!!! You just caught on to a significant mess-up on behalf of TPTB! :D Excellent catch! I'm very impressed!!

i dont get it..i think this whole topic is a bit off logic..i mean,how do we know that Hurley doesnt own the shoe company,clucks and a million other companies for all we know,has the joint hit by a meteor,some time later(we are completely CLUELESS on how much time it had passed)he leaves to someplace else(we can only ASSUME that he went straight down under)and in the meanwhile has set up Randy in some other position is one of his other companies?i mean,its really not fair to start being so sceptic and unbeleiving for our own good....we rule when we point out continuity mistakes or misplaced props and whatnot,but lets not overreact,dont you think?it just spoils thefun and makes us suspicious and bitter...just my two cents:undecide:
some times theres just no wrongs....We might as well give up. LOL Seems too many aren't reading the posts that explain the "mess up" before calling foul on TPTB. And my 2 cents says your 2 cents is worth much more. :biggrin:

Yes, I agree. After the CS got hit, it seemed like Hurley stayed around for a while debating whether to go to Australia or not. There is nothing that says he left within the next few days.

People are eager to start blaming TPTB for errors before they get the facts.

Now wait, are you saying Walkabout took place in a period of a week? As the stories link together (Hurley appears on tv in sun's flashback) we get more and more info that shortens or lengthens certain times. I think you're the one ignoring what we've been shown onscreen.

I schedule things for a living and there is a real issue of time here. We know in Walkabout that Locke spent time planning for his vacation. We know that Randy is established as his supervisor. We know Randy was Hurley's boss at the chicken shack prior to Hurley buying it. We know it's implied that Hurley is packing to leave for Australia in TTID. We also know that Hurley went to Australia with a specific reasoning as described in TTID, this eliminates spending a year down there. The more time between Hurley's lottery win and the trip given runs up against Sun's flashback. We know Hurley's grandfather died and Starla left him with his best friend prior to TTID. And lastly, we know that everyone was on the same flight home.

This scenario obviates stretching out Hurley's decision-making and shortening Locke's. The meaning given to us by TPTB is quite the reverse- Locke had planned out his vacation and Hurley was being impulsive. To rectify that, TPTB would have to modify what they presented onscreen, making those clues red herrings, and replacing them with an alternative timeline where Locke was impulsive and Hurley deliberative.

In other words, reverse of character. But then again... Sawyer is not a jerk anymore and Jack is, so maybe that's the whole point.

Don
100%
This is not what's happening. Until actual dates, times and locations are definite all we can do is "feel" it was this long or that long or short. ...

This feeling is communicated by the writers and directors of the episodes and therefore is either truthful or a red herring.

Don

But if Randy worked at the box company before taking over the new Mr. Cluck's franchise, there's no problem. We think everyone would want to move up from fast food to boxes, but maybe he loved having the opportunity to go back to what he knew best.

Cardie

Hmmm . . . I thought Hurley gave Randy the box boss job because the chicken place was no more. He could have done this before he left for Australia. :undecide:

then when Locke was talking to Helen on the phone (epi 1:04) why was saying how he finally told off randy...making us assume that this boss has been harping on Locke for a long time...I think that maybe time travel is not the turn Lost is going to take...but maybe everyone is coming from different time periods. Im just throwin that out ther.

Maybe working at the box company was just middle management, and Hugo gave Randy the opportunity to manage his own franchise, the Chicken place. That would be a step up in the world, wouldnt it?

I have to think about the possible time line a bit more before posting my thoughts about that part of it

I'm not sure if this helps or not, but this is taken from Lostpedia.

Randy Nations worked at Mr. Cluck's (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Mr._Cluck%27s) as Hurley (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hurley)'s boss. He reprimanded Hurley for eating chicken pieces without paying for them and giving more than two napkins per client. ("Everybody Hates Hugo (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Everybody_Hates_Hugo)")
After Hurley won the lottery and left Mr. Cluck's, Randy gained a job at Hurley's box company. There, Randy became Locke (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Locke)'s boss. He chided Locke for not being a real colonel and for his condition. ("Walkabout (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Walkabout)")
Either right before or right after this event (as both Locke's flashback and Hurley's flashback occur right near each other) Randy is hired by Hurley to work at the Mr. Cluck's grand re-opening. However, before either can enter the restaurant, it is hit by a meteorite, destroying it. ("Tricia Tanaka Is Dead (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Tricia_Tanaka_Is_Dead)")

Here's the best explanation I've seen (from Lost-Forum):


Originally Posted by doukungfoo
I thought Hurley bought the chicken shack first. Randy was already there. Then later he bought the box company, brought Randy over there cause the shack blew up. Hurley could have been in Australia for months searching for the widow. During that time Randy grew beard/hair at the box company. Then Locke went to Australia a few days before he and Hurley got on flight 815.

I wouldn't call it an error after FBYE. We now know "Everything Changes".

we should just start calling them anomalies

That goes along with all of Desmonds glitches.
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Per Gregg Nations Randy's last name had been (Burgess) but it was never established so they changed it to Nations.

Bailysdad, there's something interesting going on here and it's not a mistake.

Question: Did H. reference being institutionalized at all in his flashbacks this ep? Could all of this happened beforehand, and his parents had him committed because he thought he was cursed?

Question: Did H. reference being institutionalized at all in his flashbacks this ep? Could all of this happened beforehand, and his parents had him committed because he thought he was cursed?

If we completely ignore everything established about the Numbers and Hurley's time in SRMHI, sure.

then when Locke was talking to Helen on the phone (epi 1:04) why was saying how he finally told off randy...making us assume that this boss has been harping on Locke for a long time...I think that maybe time travel is not the turn Lost is going to take...but maybe everyone is coming from different time periods. Im just throwin that out ther.

Hmmm . . . I don't know but good catch! Perhaps Randy had been harping at him for just a few weeks. If someone is a real jerk it doesn't take long for them to get on your nerves. Or have I just worked for one too many D.A.s/lawyers? ;)

Was there anything in TTID to indicate that many months hadn't passed between the meteor hitting the Chicken Shack and Cheech showing up again?

I just assumed that last night's flashbacks were from three different time periods. We started out in Hurley's childhood. Then we moved to the time right after he won the lottery (it was still newsworthy) which was a year before 815 crashed. Then we moved ahead again to the time right before Hurley left for Australia, when his paranoia was getting so bad that his mother called his father to try to convince Hurley not to go.

Why are so many people so quick to accuse the writers of laziness? Stop rooting for this show to fail, people. You're as bad as the idiot professional TV writers who are now attempting to destroy the dynasty they helped to build with an endless stream of pointless articles about "what's wrong with Lost."

Was there anything in TTID to indicate that many months hadn't passed between the meteor hitting the Chicken Shack and Cheech showing up again?


Hurley came home covered with dust from the meteorite crash, telling his Mom that Tricia Tanaka and her cameraman were dead, and she immediately ushered him into the room where his father was waiting. The two events happened on the same day.

Cardie

I posted to Gregg for clarification...wating with baited breath...

I posted to Gregg for clarification...wating with baited breath...

If I were to guess, I'd say his response will be something along the lines of "Hummmm... could mean something... or maybe not... who knows...?"

Hurley came home covered with dust from the meteorite crash, telling his Mom that Tricia Tanaka and her cameraman were dead, and she immediately ushered him into the room where his father was waiting. The two events happened on the same day.

Cardie

Whoops, I forgot about that. Thanks for clarifying.

No, it was a shoe factory that burned down in "Numbers," BD.

But I immediately called "FOUL!" when I saw Randy there as Mr. Cluck's manager, too. Hurley left for Australia a day or two later. Thus, Randy could NOT be Mr. Cluck's manager at that time. He was supervising at the Tustin box factory by then.

The continuity people at LOST have simply stopped caring. The writers, producers, and even Gregg failed to catch this faux pas. And it was no small faux pas. Bet even some of the casual viewers caught it! So the LOST folks blew this one big time.

Was nice seeing Randy having to be all keester-kisser with Hurley, though! :biggrin:

is it not possible for the man to have 2 jobs? maybe one was full time and the other part time. randy has school loans to pay back! it's that or gambling debts!

is it not possible for the man to have 2 jobs? maybe one was full time and the other part time. randy has school loans to pay back! it's that or gambling debts!

No, it i only not possible for him to have a beard and longer hair at his night job, and short hair and no beard at his day job.

I came away from watching TTID with the impression that Hurley had gone to Australia twice. Am I crazy?? Did anyone else notice this?? I swear he says something like "I need to go back to Australia". This would also happen to fix some of these timeline issues.

But maybe two different people jumped off of his accountant's roof on two different occaisions. It's a stretch I know, but Hurley is surrounded by death after all.. And wouldn't this by itself fix all the timeline problems???

Question: Did H. reference being institutionalized at all in his flashbacks this ep? Could all of this happened beforehand, and his parents had him committed because he thought he was cursed?
I believe he mentions Lenny and getting the number from him. Hurley needed to get the numbers from Lenny to be able to use them for the lottery ticket.

Where are those transcripts?

Walkabout (Randy could sound like a new manager)

Locke Yes?
GL12 Colonel Locke is this line secure?
Locke Line secure GL12, go ahead.
GL12 Target area is acquired. Maneuvers are a go for 13:00 hours. Repeat. We are a go.
Locke Roger that. We'll convene at the usual rendezvous point at 13:00 hours.
Randy Locke. I told you I need those TPS reports done by noon today. Not 12:30, not 12:15, noon.
Locke I heard you the first time, Randy.
Randy And no personal calls during office hours, Colonel.

Later

GL12 Move. You've got to move Colonel Your troops are across enemy lines.
Locke Patience, the quality which you lack, GL12, is the hallmark of a leader.
Randy Hallmark, huh? Tell me more about being a leader, Locke. While you're at it, tell me about this Colonel, thing. I cruised your file in human resources, you've never been in any of the armed forces.
Locke I'm just playing a game, Randy. It's... it's my lunch hour, I can play a game.
Randy Well, tell me, what's a Walkabout? [Reading] Experience the dream journeys of the fabled Australian Outback.
Locke You have no right taking that off my desk.
Randy So, you wander around hunting and gathering food, right? On foot?
Locke Not that you would understand, but a Walkabout is a journey of spiritual renewal, where one derives strength from the earth. And becomes inseparable from it. I have vacation days, I'm going, Randy. I've already made a reservation.
GL12 Wow. John you're really doing it, huh? You tell Helen yet?
Randy Helen? Well, what's this Locke, you've actually got a woman in your life.
Locke That's none of your business.
Randy What is it with you Locke? Why do you torture yourself? I mean, imagining you're some hunter? Walkabouts? Wake up, you can't do any of that.
Locke Norman Croucher.
Randy What? Norman what?
Locke Norman Croucher. Norman Croucher, double amputee, no legs. He climbed to the top of Mt. Everest. Why? It was his destiny.
Randy That's what you think you've got, old man? Destiny?
Locke Just don't tell me what I can't do.

Later

Locke I have never felt so alive. Getting to finally tell Randy off was... life changing. I mean it, now I'm free to do all those things I ever wanted to do. Things that I know I was destined to do, like we talked about Helen.
Helen That's wonderful John. I'm happy for you, really.
Locke I haven't even told you the best part. You remember the authentic aboriginal Walkabout?
Helen Sure. That's all you've talked about for weeks.
Locke Yeah, well, I'm going to do it. I'm flying to Australia at the end of the week. And I've, uh... I bought 2 tickets. Helen?
Helen John, we've talked about this. I like you...
Locke Yeah I know.
Helen ...and I've enjoyed talking with...
Locke So have I.
Helen ...you these past few months.
Locke 8 months.
Helen I'm not allowed to meet customers.
Locke A customer? Is uh... is that what I am to you?
Helen This isn't really normal. I mean, it isn't what I do. I don't know, maybe you should find a... I don't know... a therapist?
Locke I have a therapist.
Helen John.
Locke I thought you understood Helen. You know me better than anyone.
Helen John, if we talk any longer, I'm going to have to charge you for another hour. That's another 89.95 and you can't afford that.
Locke Look, I don't care about the money. I just...
Helen I'm sorry John, I've got to go.
Locke Helen, Helen. Helen! Helen! He!

Later

Tour Agent The Walkabouts we arrange here are not just a stroll through the park. It's trekking through vast stretches of desert, rousting bloody treacherous woods.
Locke Look, you've got no idea who you're talking to. I'm well aware of what's involved, believe me. I probably know more than you on the subject.
Tour Agent In any case, it's a trying ordeal for someone in peak physical condition, let alone...
Locke Look, I booked this tour a month ago, you've already got my money. Now, I demand a place on that bus.
Tour Agent You misrepresented yourself...
Locke I never lied.
Tour Agent By omission, Mr. Locke. You neglected to tell us about your condition.
Locke My condition is not an issue. I've lived with it for 4 years. It's never kept me from doing anything.
Tour Agent Look, unfortunately it is an issue for our insurance company. I can't keep the bus waiting any longer. It isn't fair to the other people.
Locke Hey, don't talk to me about fair.
Tour Agent I can get you on a plane back to Sydney on our dime. That's the best I can do.
Locke No. I don't want to go back to Sydney. Look I've been preparing for this for years. Just put me on the bus, right now, I can do this.
Tour Agent No, you can't.


Just thought we should look at these lines again. I still think something very intricate is happing here.

I think it is safe to say, judging by the silence on the part of TPTB in clarifying this case, that the whole Randy timeline contradiction is a major screw up on their part.

TPTB have been really good at admitting when there has been a screw-up.
Be it with props (Jin's resume) and other things. So my take is when they don't comment it's because they can't, it's part of the story that hasn't been revealed or it is just starting to be revealed and we just don't have enough of the pieces yet.

TPTB have been really good at admitting when there has been a screw-up.
Be it with props (Jin's resume) and other things. So my take is when they don't comment it's because they can't, it's part of the story that hasn't been revealed or it is just starting to be revealed and we just don't have enough of the pieces yet.

I still dont buy it.

I think it is safe to say, judging by the silence on the part of TPTB in clarifying this case, that the whole Randy timeline contradiction is a major screw up on their part.

So just because the writers don't respond to every perceived "error" within a day and a half that makes it a fact? This board used to be fun and informative. Now it's filled with a bunch of negative people just looking for something wrong with the show or another reason so say it "has jumped the shark."

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is not enough evidence concerning this topic to give a definitive answer. Given the enormous complexity of the show and the interweving of all the character's backstories I am going to lean towards the fact that the writers know that they are doing and this isn't a mistake.

So just because the writers don't respond to every perceived "error" within a day and a half that makes it a fact? This board used to be fun and informative. Now it's filled with a bunch of negative people just looking for something wrong with the show or another reason so say it "has jumped the shark."

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but there is not enough evidence concerning this topic to give a definitive answer. Given the enormous complexity of the show and the interweving of all the character's backstories I am going to lean towards the fact that the writers know that they are doing and this isn't a mistake.

I said none of that Mr. Positivity. It seems you have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder. All I said is they made a timeline error. They should fess up if thats the case.

I said none of that Mr. Positivity. It seems you have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder. All I said is they made a timeline error. They should fess up if thats the case.

No chip on my shoulder, I just think you should give adequate time for the writers to respond. I am sure they have more important things to do than respond to every post in here.

No chip on my shoulder, I just think you should give adequate time for the writers to respond. I am sure they have more important things to do than respond to every post in here.

I would think it would be pretty important to support their audience, who have made a huge emotional investment in the storylines and mythology of the show, and incidents like this make you wonder if we care more than they do.

Until the last episode airs and all of the information has been given out, that's when I'll figure out for myself, if the PTB have made errors or not. Right now they look like clues to me of things to come.

Maybe they're saving "Hurley's six-month Australian adventure" for a future flashback. After all, Martha Toomey's house was "in the middle of nowhere."

At the end of this epi I dont think we saw Hurley board a plane for Australia so it is likely that he was stopped somehow). Perhaps future episodes will bring some more gloss to this questionable timeline, but once again who is to definitively say that Hurley actually left for Australia at that very moment. It was never actually concluded right?At the end of that flashback he is still in LA, albeit with packed luggage. I might be wrong. I was one my second glass of Rum by time the credits rolled. Was there a scene that put Hurley in Australia in that flashback sequence?

No there wasn't, and I think it is very reasonable to think Hurley stayed in Australia for at least a month or two. He wouldn't be able to find Martha Toomey the day he got there. He also might of just took some time off and vacationed there, not like he had anywhere else to be.

I'm leaning toward the Randy issue as being intentional, as opposed to a timeline error.

What is it about the Tricia Tanaka scene that seems so strange to me? I haven't followed this thread closely enough to know if others think this was dreamt or an implanted memory. Is there a general consensus? This seemed like different fragments of a memory creating a dream to me (the meteor maybe representing the plane crash?).

Anyway, back to why I think the "error" was intentional. During the TT interview, she introduces Randy as Hugo's "former boss and current employee" and snickers "that's every working stiffs fantasy, right?" Hugo just shrugs (and doesn't seem to know why he's there).

If Randy was Locke's boss at the same time, it could also (or moreso) be his fantasy. If there's something going on with memory manipulation, maybe they can get jumbled with another Lostie. ???

I don't see how the meteor crashing would be a dream/implanted memory because he talks about it later with his mom and that's apparently why he gives Randy the job at the box company in the first place.

Hurley knew where to look for Sam Toomey. Much of Australia ia sparcely populated and even tough Sam and Martha moved to the middle of nowhere they probably still received mail. A stop at the Kalgoorlie police department/post office probably would have located them, they were famous from the bean winnings. Also Sam killing himself which Hurley doesn't seem to know about. Also As Penny put it "With enough money and determination you can find anyone."

Hurley C'mon, Lenny, give me something. Anything. Where'd you get the numbers. Is that why you're here, Lenny? Is it because of the numbers. Did they do something to you? Because I think they did something to me. I think they turned me into a... a jinx, bad news to everyone around me. And when I tell people I think I'm the cause they... they... they look at me like I'm nuts. They don't believe me. But I know, ever since I won the lottery with those numbers.
Lenny You used those numbers to play the lo... lottery?
Hurley Uh, yeah.
Lenny Well, you shouldn't have done that. You've opened the box!
Hurley I what?
Lenny Ah, you shouldn't have used those numbers.
Hurley Why not?
Lenny It doesn't stop! You've got to get away from those numbers! You've got to get far, far away!
Orderly Alright, hey, hold on. Lenny, Lenny. Calm down. Lenny.
Lenny Do you hear. No, don't you understand? You've got to get away from it or it won't stop!
Orderly Try and calm down.
Hurley Wait a second, I need some answers.
Orderly Sir, you need to step away.
Hurley Those numbers, where'd you get them?
Lenny Sam Toomey. He heard them.
Hurley Who's Sam Toomey?
Lenny He heard them in Kalgoorlie.
Hurley What's Kalgoorlie?
Lenny It's a town where he used to work.
Hurley It's a town where?
Lenny In Australia! Oh God!

I think there was urgency on Hurley's part to find Sam Toomey.

I would think it would be pretty important to support their audience, who have made a huge emotional investment in the storylines and mythology of the show, and incidents like this make you wonder if we care more than they do.

Of course we care more than they do. For them it's just a job in which they have to turn out a very complex product in a very limited amount of time. For obsessed fans, it's a major passion. I have plenty of beefs with the writers as to significant problems with big picture characterization and story-telling, but continuity lapses are very hard to control when you bring back guest stars from two years ago and production is occurring hundreds of miles away from where the writers work. These small points are fun enough to talk about if kept in perspective, but to figure that tptb do these things just show disrespect to you and me is to lose all sense of proportion.

Cardie

Hmmm . . . I thought Hurley gave Randy the box boss job because the chicken place was no more. He could have done this before he left for Australia. :undecide:
I agree with this idea because we dont know how long Hurley was in Oz , it may have been months, and he may have given Randy the job @ the box Co. to make up for the chick'n shack mishap . Just like we dont know how long Jacks dad was in Oz.

Of course it may also be apart of my weird twins theory. Like the twins on the boat who took Walt were also on the flight 815.

Gregg responded in a somewhat vague and unsatisfying manner:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71147

I thought it was vague in a good manner because it leaves the possibility open for any number of things to have happened.

You know guys..there are a lot of mysteries on Lost

What absolutely pains me is watching you guys struggle over nothing. This is no mystery. There is no timeline error. Im trying to save you guys :) Dont waste another precious thought on this.

Amen, John!

You know guys..there are a lot of mysteries on Lost

What absolutely pains me is watching you guys struggle over nothing. This is no mystery. There is no timeline error. Im trying to save you guys :) Dont waste another precious thought on this.

Some people like details, others don't. If you're in the latter group, good for you, but if you're in pain, what are you doing in this thread? We're all here to have fun. :biggrin:

There just isn't enough info in this case to warrant calling out TPTB for "major time line error" and for people to be accusing them of being lazy and no caring. There are plenty of viable options for all this to work out. I just don't see the issue at all and I love looking at how all the time line details work out because they most often do quite well.

There just isn't enough info in this case to warrant calling out TPTB for "major time line error" and for people to be accusing them of being lazy and no caring. There are plenty of viable options for all this to work out. I just don't see the issue at all and I love looking at how all the time line details work out because they most often do quite well.

word up on that comment.

and even though this has been posted before, it seems relavent here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9rf2VJSYo

in this interview, TPTB actually admit they do not plan/plant every "easter egg" that is found and discussed (over and over) and theorized about, and then have a storyline built upon it.
they (TPTB) do say they "hide" a bunch of clues, however, there have been "clues" found by viewers that were not intentional and therefore not added for the sake of the plot.
personally, the fact of intentional or unintentional, (in regards to clue hiding/finding), does not bother me at all. if things, such as the DHARMA logo on the hull of the Oceanic plane, are accidents, then they are happy accidents.

Greggs answer to this issue:

What's great is that we've been vague about the timelines. We haven't established how long it was between the chicken shack and Hurley leaving, and we haven't established how long Randy was Locke's boss. Even if it's just a couple week between each event, it still works. So see? There are some benefits to being vague. ;)


Cleared that one up nicely eh?:rolleyes:

i said it before and i'll say it again...

"it would have been really nice if we had
started the series with a time stamp
on every scene so we can keep track
of where and when things happened."

without a time stamp everything gets all "fong luh."

yeah, i said that.


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Juh jen sh guh kwai luh duh jean jan!

i said it before and i'll say it again...

"it would have been really nice if we had
started the series with a time stamp
on every scene so we can keep track
of where and when things happened."

where's the fun in that?

the lack of certainty regarding the times and dates in the lives of the Losties&crew, allows viewer interpatation. i know that all the different input from from all the different viewers blurs the line of what is and what isnt fodder put forth by TPTB, but the alternative to it, would be so specific of a story, it could easily be quite boring.

As distressed as Hurley was about the Numbers, once Leonard told him that Toomey (who might have some answers for him) was in Australia, I don't think he'd be dawdling too long before catching a flight for Sydney.

Besides, the dinner scene took place the same day as Hurley's dad returned--the day of the meteor. (I doubt Carmen was gonna wait a few more days to get her needs met! :D) They were talking about Hurley's leaving for Australia THEN. And I honestly believe the psychic scene happened the next day (headphones to drown out "the noise," remember?). The impression I got was that once that plan failed, Hurley went home and started packing. If not the same day, the next one. He was DETERMINED to get to the bottom of the numbers thing. (Just as he was DETERMINED to get that van started. Hurley's just NOT the procrastinating kind!)

I stick to the idea that the FB took place 2-3 days before Hurley left for Down Under. And TPTB just blew it with Randy's timeline cuz they just got caught up in having Randy in the Mr. Cluck's story. Perhaps this will remind them to ALWAYS check the timeline "diary" before writing a backstory from now on?

Hey, sorry, I had an emergency at work...I just watched Numbers, in particular the Accountant's office scene and the Chicken Shack is not mentioned.

I'm still checkin out the other things...

Maybe Randy was fired by he box company for being an a-hole & had to settle for a management job at a Chicken Shack since no one else would hire him.
HAHA!

I suppose they're permitted one every now and then, with flashbacks as detailed and out of order as those on Lost.

I have to say No.
Too many things are riding on LOST for them to start getting sloppy. People are starting to quit watching. You start with one, then that's just going down a short road for people to stop caring all together.
LOST is a great show, but if everything rests on a certain plotline of the Island, than the flashbacks are just as important.
Something like this is just more ammo for LOST haters and whoever screwed this up needs to be demoted down to the office Go-For.

Gregg responded in a somewhat vague and unsatisfying manner:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71147

This is so true, the only way we could nitpick timeline inconsistencies accurately, is if we had a concrete timeline to work with. Not to digress too far but I recently read an interview with several cops on the realism of cop shows. To a man they all dissed CSI as unrealistic because "you can't get DNA evidence processed within hours of a collecting it". Yet CSI never really states how much time is passing . It may be implied that each episode takes place over a week, but no concrete timeline is provided. This, to me, is what makes the writers of 24 so brave.

No, no, that was a DIFFERENT meteor! :biggrin:

I have to say No.
Too many things are riding on LOST for them to start getting sloppy. People are starting to quit watching.
People are not quitting over continuity errors. Viewership is down, from everything that can be determined because:
1) The story is progressing too slowly
2) Two many reruns interspersed with too few new episodes.

Few people, if any, are leaving because the writers may or may not have made a continuity error for when Mr. Cluck's was hit by a meteor.

People are not quitting over continuity errors. Viewership is down, from everything that can be determined because:
1) The story is progressing too slowly
2) Two many reruns interspersed with too few new episodes.

Few people, if any, are leaving because the writers may or may not have made a continuity error for when Mr. Cluck's was hit by a meteor.

I agree with #1, but the other 2 I have to dispute... this season there haven't been any reruns interspersed with new ones. And... I almost quit watching after FBYE because of the apparent "time-travel" angle. The only reason I'm still here is because that episode felt like a piece was missing, so I'm giving them a chance to explain that it was, in fact, NOT time travel.

People are not quitting over continuity errors. Viewership is down, from everything that can be determined because:
1) The story is progressing too slowly
2) Two many reruns interspersed with too few new episodes.

Few people, if any, are leaving because the writers may or may not have made a continuity error for when Mr. Cluck's was hit by a meteor.

Sorry but I have to call you on that. What's the biggest complaint you hear about LOST?
I go to a lot of forums and the one I hear the most is:

"The writers are making it up as they go along."

A mistake like this that a lot of people caught only hurts the show. People don't want to hear "Oh, you just don't know the whole time line. I know two people personally that quit after this episode because they said it just wasn't worth trying to keep up anymore and that's the way a lot of people feel. With new cable shows coming back (ala RESCUE ME, etc.) more people will just forgo trying anymore.

Sorry but I have to call you on that. What's the biggest complaint you hear about LOST?
Do not equate the forums with the actual viewers. LOST has millions of viewers and only a few hundred people post to Lost boards.

The people on LOST boards a re a select few and are generally the people most highly motivated to dissect episodes and talk about inconsistencies. But they're not the ones who make or break a series.

The reason this season is running without repeats is because of all the viewers they lost last season due to the frequent repeats. How do we know this? We know this because of the viewership numbers.

Here (http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/recent_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003543522) is an article about Lost viewership between the end of season 2 and the beginning of season 3 placing the blame on weaker lead-ins for Lost in its timeslot.

This article (http://www.postchronicle.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=9&num=65739) blames the three-month hiatus for lower viewership.

Here (http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/lost-improves-on-ratings-for-s-4614.aspx) is an article showing that in the month of February when the forums seem to be ablaze with frustrations over time travel and factual inconsistencies, the ratings were steadily improving.





Season 3 LOST is not losing viewers like season 2, despite the fact there might be more on-line chatter about factual inconsistencies. (But which I think is merely a function of the fact that every episode gives us more material to find inconsistencies in) But Season 3 started with a lot less viewers then Season 2 ended. Why? Because viewers (not forumites) were getting frustrated with the slow pace of the show and repeats.

It's nice to think that we on the forums are some sort of representative sample speaking for the millions who don't post here, but it isn't true. The forum is an enjoyable diversion, but any TV executive who uses it to gauge the success of their show should rightfully be canned.

Not a single media article that could be found anywhere is rcrediting factual inconsistencies with the drop in viewership. Why? Because the only people who care about that stuff are a thousand people on the internet.

I really don't see a problem with the timeline. From the scripts that Sam G posted, we know that Locke tells Randy off less than a week before he goes to Australia. So, Randy had to have worked at the box company after the Chicken Shack got hit by a meteor.

We know Hurley wins the money a year before he goes to Australia. Maybe Hurley ends up buying the Chicken Shack two or three months before leaving for Australia. The Chicken Shack gets hit by the meteor, I think Hurley left for Australia within a week, Randy is now out of a new job at the Chicken Shack so looks elsewhere for work. Randy gets hired at the box company as a manager because Randy has experience being a manager at the Chicken Shack. Hurley may not have had any say in whether Randy got hired at the box company. It could be just coincidence. It could be that Hurley did send him over to the box company. Really, I don't think it matters. I also find it possible that Hurley spends two or three months looking for Sam Toomey. Two or three months could be plenty of time for Randy to be a jerk boss for Locke.

Why do I think that it may have taken Hurley months to find Sam's wife? Because we know that Sam used to work in Kalgoorlie and I got the impression that Sam wanted to disappear and cut off all connections from the outside world as much as possible. If Sam and his wife up and moved without anyone knowing or telling anyone, it would be awful difficult to track them down and could take months to find where Sam's wife lived.

The important thing is that Hurley found Sam's wife just before Locke and everyone else were getting on flight 815 to fly back to the US.

Do not equate the forums with the actual viewers. LOST has millions of viewers and only a few hundred people post to Lost boards.

Members: 53,432, Active Members: 8,227

A few hundred, eh? And thats only this board...

Nevertheless, a tiny fraction of the four million viewers that the show has lost since the end of season two. Not to mention that not all the active members on Lost boards are in a tizzy about this timeline glitch.

Cardie

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20070301abc01

I stopped reading the thread about Lost's rating going down but it seems to make it's way into so many threads.

Shall we get back to the topic?