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sk8rpro
03-01-2007, 05:13 AM
Alright, now that Rousseau knows about Alex being alive I was thinking, would the French chick be a better parent than Ben. Or is it better for Ben to continue being a "father" to Alex? Or is it equally bad?

Here's the dilemma:
1) We don't know how well Ben treats Alex, but apparently she's in good health. However, we don't know Ben's motives for kidnapping Alex.
2) Rousseau killed her own people because the infection supposedly got them.

What do you guys think.

Edit: I can hear it all now - Rousseau telling Alex, "I AM YOUR MOTHER!"

alanlynda
03-01-2007, 08:16 AM
Are we really sure that Ben is Alex's father? If that is so why didn't Rousseau or Ben show any recognition of each other when she captured him, and shot him with her crossbow! Has she lost her mind to the extreme that she doesn't know the father of her daughter? Or, has he been altered so much to the Dharma way that he doesn't recognize her either? I am still not sure that Ben is Alex's father.

aurorawest
03-01-2007, 08:32 AM
This is a dilemma, isn't it? I would say that it's clear that they both love her -- Ben is visibly upset in the OR when Alex stands sullenly in the corner.

Frankly, I think the Others have given her the better life. If Danielle really did murder her entire team, then it seems like a no-brainer to take a baby from her. And while it's not right to kidnap a child, social services take children away from unfit parents all the time. They've got the government on their side so we, as a society, sanction it. I feel fairly certain that if Danielle had been in most countries and murdered several people, she wouldn't have that baby very long.

It's an interesting debate. And of course, we don't know the actual reason that Alex was taken, nor what her life with Ben is like.

lostlocke
03-01-2007, 08:47 AM
I say rousseau. I hate the fact that the others have kidnapped Alex, and not just her many others as well against their will. I don't think Ben is a suitable father for any child.

lostgurl
03-01-2007, 08:54 AM
It doesn't seem like the Others are very good people, so I'm not really in favor of Alex staying there. If someone kidnapped your child, but gave them a decent home, would that be enough to justify them staying? On the other hand, we really don't know what's going on with Danielle. Is she really who she says she is, or is she crazy, or both? Danielle seems to survive on her own just fine, and I bet Alex could too from what we've seen.

ImSoLOST714
03-01-2007, 09:17 AM
Are we really sure that Ben is Alex's father? If that is so why didn't Rousseau or Ben show any recognition of each other when she captured him, and shot him with her crossbow! Has she lost her mind to the extreme that she doesn't know the father of her daughter? Or, has he been altered so much to the Dharma way that he doesn't recognize her either? I am still not sure that Ben is Alex's father.


I don't think that Ben and Danielle know each other at all. He wasn't her husband or the biological father of her child, so they wouldn't recognize each other. I believe that Danielle said she killed her husband (her child's father) because he got sick, or he died from the illness. If Alex really is Danielle's daughter, as it seems we are being lead to believe, I think that means she was taken as an infant (Danielle says they took her child) and raised by Ben as his daughter.

sk8rpro
03-01-2007, 05:12 PM
Are we really sure that Ben is Alex's father? If that is so why didn't Rousseau or Ben show any recognition of each other when she captured him, and shot him with her crossbow! Has she lost her mind to the extreme that she doesn't know the father of her daughter? Or, has he been altered so much to the Dharma way that he doesn't recognize her either? I am still not sure that Ben is Alex's father.

To clear things up, when I mentioned father in the first post of this thread, I put it in quotes (" "), because I personally doubt Ben as a biological father. At the same time however, he seems to take role as a foster father.

Thanks to everyone who has given their opinion. And for those who think that it is better for Danielle to be the mother, do you think that she would kill Alex because she believes Alex has the infection? That is the dilemma - on the one hand kidnapping is wrong, on the other hand, Danielle may have killed Alex.

Clochard
03-01-2007, 05:20 PM
I don't believe Ben is Alex's biological father, simply by the way Alex seems against the Others.
"They're going to kill your boyfriend, just like they killed mine"
-Dadies probably wouldn't kill their daughters boyfriends, even in a strict society.
"Go see your Father, i'm sure he would appreciate it"
Just the cold way everyone says "father" ...

Something tells me that when Danielle and Alex reunite, Alex will know who she is.

Zlatna
03-01-2007, 05:29 PM
I'm of the opinion that Danielle would have been the better parent.

I think that she was probably less "crazy" before she'd been alone for 16 years, and before "the others" ripped her week old child out of her arms.

I'm quite sure Danielle loves her child and would have made sure that Alex knew that. I don't think Ben loves his "daughter" I think he sees her as just another member of his cult, just another possesion, another person to do his bidding.

Fogey
03-01-2007, 05:37 PM
Danielle would be the better parent because she is a mother and everyone on the island seems to have Daddy issues.;)

We really don't know how well Danielle would function as a parent. We don't know enough about her to say. I have problems with Ben being the parent because I believe he abducted Danielle as a baby and because I view him as the head of a cult and thus no more sane than Danielle appears to be. She could in fact be more sane than he is. :biggrin:

littleln
03-01-2007, 05:46 PM
Has anyone ever considerred the possibility that although Ben and Rousseau may not be intimately acquainted that they may have in fact met before? I believe that Ben has met Rousseau, but Rousseau does not remember. Remember how they kidnapped Claire and practically brainwashed her into giving up Aaron? Who knows how much farther it could have gone... Perhaps the others kidnapped Rousseau 16 years ago and brainwashed her into giving up Alex and then "convinced" her that there was a sickness and that she had killed her group, when in fact it was the others that killed her comrades in their efforts to kidnap her and Alex. We have already seen several instances of the Others using drugs and brainwashing to achieve their mysterious goals...

splendidbob
03-01-2007, 05:53 PM
Depends on stuff we dont know yet..
1)We dont know what the others are really up to, their seemingly evil behaviour could be due to nothing less important than saving the entire human race, in which case it could be argued they are doing what they have to. Under these circumstances Ben could still make an excellent father. (on the other hand they might just be some kind of twisted cult)
2)What is Danielles past? - if there wasnt a sickness at all, and she is seriously insane, then she isnt going to be a great Mum :p - on the other hand, for somebody who hasnt spoken to another person in 16 years she is (in my opinion) pretty together.

At this moment I would guess at Danielle but with some serious supervision from the losties.. :D

LatinoGhost
03-01-2007, 06:11 PM
This is a dilemma, isn't it? I would say that it's clear that they both love her -- Ben is visibly upset in the OR when Alex stands sullenly in the corner.

Frankly, I think the Others have given her the better life. If Danielle really did murder her entire team, then it seems like a no-brainer to take a baby from her. And while it's not right to kidnap a child, social services take children away from unfit parents all the time. They've got the government on their side so we, as a society, sanction it. I feel fairly certain that if Danielle had been in most countries and murdered several people, she wouldn't have that baby very long.

It's an interesting debate. And of course, we don't know the actual reason that Alex was taken, nor what her life with Ben is like.
Well how do we know that she "murdered" her entire team... It is more then likely that the illness was just too unbearable for the team, and perhaps they Asked her to kill them to put them out of their misery... We don't even know what the syptoms are of the illness... i highly doubt she killed them because they all got a little cough... which reminds me of something from the Lost Experience:

The doctor says that they were testing a "Vaccine"(a.k.a. some expiremental drug) on some villagers, and that there would be deaths from it... which could be a connection to how Danielles team could have become infected aswell... perhaps they were infected with a prototype version of the that drug or something similar... Just a thought :P (im sure im not the only one to have made that connection heh)
Link to the Full video of all the fragments from TLE:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_PPCCcXarkc

Alkhara
03-01-2007, 06:32 PM
Frankly, I think the Others have given her the better life. If Danielle really did murder her entire team, then it seems like a no-brainer to take a baby from her. And while it's not right to kidnap a child, social services take children away from unfit parents all the time. They've got the government on their side so we, as a society, sanction it. I feel fairly certain that if Danielle had been in most countries and murdered several people, she wouldn't have that baby very long.


This is what I've always thought, too.

But we need more information.
Danielle has always been somewhat economical with the truth ..... I don't know if she's lying, or crazy, or just a little eccentric from all those years on her own, but I do know that she knows a great deal about the island and what's happening there, but so far she hasn't volunteered any information.

I don't think we can *completely* trust her account of what happened to her.
Not until she's prepared to tell us more, anyway.