Vincent was very prominent in this episode. I am pretty convinced now that Vincent, the real dog didn't make it and died in the crash. I think what we've been seeing is something else. Maybe the smoke monster? I figured that he is symbolic of something, hope? luck? It just seems odd that he appears when someone needs something. And he normally leads them to places that they would not otherwise go.

I hate when dogs lead people to stupid things like this.
All of my dogs (all four) would be like 'ARM? OMG!!! *chew chew chew chew*' "Hey, what do you have?" *chew chew chew growl*

I've always thought Vincent was a little out there...
Especially in the pilot where he stares down Jack once he wakes up.
And right after Sun was captured, and is then working in her garden, Vincent comes up and scares her.
Why?

Because Vincent is not just a normal dog. Something is going on with him. What, I don't know. But he is not your average pooch. Vincent and Walt had a very special bond. Something is up with Vincent.

Because Vincent is not just a normal dog. Something is going on with him. What, I don't know. But he is not your average pooch. Vincent and Walt had a very special bond. Something is up with Vincent.

I agree here. Vincent is one of the first beings we see in the very opening of the pilot (besides Jack, of course.) There's also that story - I can't remember who told it - of the dog that came to the house and stayed with some bereaved person until she died. I think that was a deliberate reference to Vincent's actions.

It may be that Vincent is another "manifestation" of the Island, like the "smoke monster," and that it is particularly fond of Hurley.

I disagree that the "original" Vincent died. It isn't as if Vincent has recently started acting strangely; he's always been that way.

I agree here. Vincent is one of the first beings we see in the very opening of the pilot (besides Jack, of course.) There's also that story - I can't remember who told it - of the dog that came to the house and stayed with some bereaved person until she died. I think that was a deliberate reference to Vincent's actions.

It may be that Vincent is another "manifestation" of the Island, like the "smoke monster," and that it is particularly fond of Hurley.That was Locke who told that story. I don't remember all the details, but I think it had to do with his sister and their foster mom? But yes, a dog did come and stay in the story....then mysteriously leave. Vincent behavior, for sure. Coming, helping, then disappearing.

I disagree that the "original" Vincent died. It isn't as if Vincent has recently started acting strangely; he's always been that way.I don't think Vincent died and was replaced, either. I like the idea that Vincent was chosen because he's special, like some of the other Losties.

vincent is actually a polarbear in disguise!!!

I think that they'll find dog bones sooner or later. It'll make the explanation nice & easy for those who watch (and not who are on the sites).
Also, like Ace Ventura says, "Animals CAN sense evil!" Doesn't smokey?

I think that they'll find dog bones sooner or later. It'll make the explanation nice & easy for those who watch (and not who are on the sites).
Also, like Ace Ventura says, "Animals CAN sense evil!" Doesn't smokey?

It'll make what nice and easy?

I agree here. Vincent is one of the first beings we see in the very opening of the pilot (besides Jack, of course.)

And don't forget the way he was watching Jack, Kate and Charlie when they went to look for the cockpit - spooky! :eek2:

I have always believed, and still believe, that Vincent is going to end up being key to the overall story. I had the same feeling about Desmond (not that it was a hard leap to make, that one), and he has ended up being pretty crucial, especially in LTDA.

Vincent almost always shows up at opportune times, but I think he's more than a story device. Based on some of the things that have been said, and The Retrievers of Truth (where they say that retrievers, even above other dogs, have displayed almost psychic abilities), and the fact that he keeps disappearing with no apparent explanation, I think that something deeper is going on with Vincent.

I wouldn't think that most domesticated dogs would be able to survive in the wild, so the thing that keeps sticking with me is the fact that of the 2.5 seasons we've seen, Vincent has only really been in a handful of episodes. I want to know A. Where he's going, B. What he's doing, and C. Who is with him.

How creepy would it be if we find out that Creepy McEyepatch has formed a relationship with him and that's where V keeps going. BWOOOOW!

How creepy would it be if we find out that Creepy McEyepatch has formed a relationship with him and that's where V keeps going. BWOOOOW!

ooooh. nice. like that a lot.

ooooh. nice. like that a lot.

I can see it now, Vincent and Patchy hanging out with the farm animals and stuff

I believe that Vincent will be a big part of how this story pans out but I dont know if I buy that he has been possessed or something. I believe his actions are dictated by a few things...

1.) he is inherently able to detect evil and confusion in his Lost environment.
2.) his bond with Walt has been disrupted and he is alone in a strange place.
3.) he has a natural curiosity and on the island he is free to roam and explore. He is bound by no master and his behaviors likely resort back to a more primitive direction.

He might not act naturally but then again we are personifying a dog in a fictional environment. On its own merit ,the trauma from falling out of an airplane would really wreck a dog emotionally and spiritually.

I say....its time for a Vincent-centric episode! I wanna know about his past! Where did he come from and how did he end up with Walt. I bet the writers could really put together a fun story line there...like Vincent being originally owned by the guy who jumped out of the building when Hurley was with his accountant. See...this could be fun...

"It'll make what nice and easy? "

If they find dog bones, it would mean that a dog had died. Maybe the same dog that belonged to Walt. Since we think Smokey can take forms of things (Eko's bro, Kate's horse, Jack's dad, etc.) then why can't it take the form of a dead dog?
I guess I think that the smoke monster may be watching via Vincent. No one will ever know unless they find proof...like say, dog bones buried in the sand.

"It'll make what nice and easy? "

If they find dog bones, it would mean that a dog had died. Maybe the same dog that belonged to Walt. Since we think Smokey can take forms of things (Eko's bro, Kate's horse, Jack's dad, etc.) then why can't it take the form of a dead dog?
I guess I think that the smoke monster may be watching via Vincent. No one will ever know unless they find proof...like say, dog bones buried in the sand.

They've only be on the island..what? 3 months ISH? If Vincent had died during the crash 1) his body should have wound up on the beach with everyone else, in clear sight, thus they would have known he was dead immediately, or assuming that he died after the crash 2) His body would decay and rot due to the islands temperature, they wouldn't simply find his bones...And I doubt anyone on the island would be able to distinguish dog bones from regular bones anyways?

And I really don't think Smokey is the reason for Vincent's behavior, as i've dicussed previously.

i agree with the people that think that Vincent's bones will be found later, and that the current Vincent is the manifestation of the smoke monster or island. How did he get into the van to grab that arm, and why would the key have been in the drivers hand? If he died in the van, would his hand really have been clutching the key? Was the door open when Vincent found it?

You know, before reading this thread I'd never questioned how Vincent was surviving on the island when he wasn't with the crash survivors. But just think of it, how many wild animals have we seen?

Polar Bears - Labs are brave dogs but I don't think he's been hunting down his own polar bears to eat.

Wild Boar - again, not easy to hunt so I think that with the exception of the odd piglet, we can discount those.

Fish - Yes labs are bread as fishing dogs in Newfoundland, but my understanding is that the people spear the fish and the dogs retrieve them, they don't bait a hook and go fishing

Birds - well, we've seen 2 in the whole show


......................... Sorry, I've run out of wildlife for Vincent to live on.

Dogs are omnivores, so he may well have eaten some vegetation, but there looks to be precious little that's edible. Mangoes and aloe vera won't go far.

So, is he living on whatever Patchy's giving him? or does he have some other source of nourishment - does he perhaps have his own can opener to open some of those Dharma supplies? Perhaps Kate's horse keeled over and he's living on that?

Or doesn't Vincent actually NEED to eat?

It underlines another strange point about the island - the almost total lack of wildlife.

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You know, before reading this thread I'd never questioned how Vincent was surviving on the island when he wasn't with the crash survivors. But just think of it, how many wild animals have we seen?

Polar Bears - Labs are brave dogs but I don't think he's been hunting down his own polar bears to eat.

Wild Boar - again, not easy to hunt so I think that with the exception of the odd piglet, we can discount those.

Fish - Yes labs are bread as fishing dogs in Newfoundland, but my understanding is that the people spear the fish and the dogs retrieve them, they don't bait a hook and go fishing

Birds - well, we've seen 2 in the whole show


......................... Sorry, I've run out of wildlife for Vincent to live on.

Dogs are omnivores, so he may well have eaten some vegetation, but there looks to be precious little that's edible. Mangoes and aloe vera won't go far.

So, is he living on whatever Patchy's giving him? or does he have some other source of nourishment - does he perhaps have his own can opener to open some of those Dharma supplies? Perhaps Kate's horse keeled over and he's living on that?

Or doesn't Vincent actually NEED to eat?

It underlines another strange point about the island - the almost total lack of wildlife.

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I dunno, RosL. You bring up a good point, but I'm sure Vincent could live off the land, as it were. Remember we saw the chickens in S2? There must be smaller animals that we haven't seen, like field mice, etc. And, as you mentioned, vegetation. And just because we don't always see Vincent, doesn't mean he's not around, getting scraps from the Losties...

Just because we haven't seen much of him doesn't mean he hasn't been living on the beach. He obviously is but it seems like with Walt and Shannon gone, there is no one to "take care" of him. We did see him begging for food from AnaLucia so he's probably been hanging around going from person to person and getting food. The rest of the time he is most likely wandering around like dogs will do. When we go camping, our dog will wander in the woods for hours if we let her. Also, our dog does eat fruits and veggies - pretty much anything we eat unless it's really strong. There are usually insects on weird creepy islands too and most likely lizards or mice or something like that.

The weird part with Vincent was when he led Shannon to Walt's image in the jungle and ultimately to her death. If he is possessed or really isn't Vincent then I don't know if he's necessarily good. As for not chewing the arm, well retreivers are bred for that sort of thing - retrieving without destroying the animal but they usually have to be trained to do it properly. Wasn't he Walt's stepdad's dog originally?? We don't know what his hobby was.

It underlines another strange point about the island - the almost total lack of wildlife.

:confused:

Hi, RosL: the relative lack of wildlife didn't faze me much, personally - I figured it was a production-driven thing. Anytime you bring animals onto a set, it probably costs a bunch (animal wranglers, keeping within animal protection guidelines, etc.) If you add CGI animals that costs $$ too.

I would imagine the fauna are pretty typical for a Pacific island: reptiles, invertebrates (snails, crabs, insects etc.), birds, and bats - besides what has been introduced by people over the centuries (boars, bears, Kate's horse? ), not to mention fish and all the sea life. There's probably some artistic license to be granted here; my assumption is that if you see an animal, it's important to the story in some way.