What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)

i gave it an 8. definately a good episode. i reserve 9 and 10 for the best of the best.

ben had some good lines in this one.

I rarely give few episodes a 10, but this one was definitely one of them.

I gave it a 9. I knew this one was going to be amazing and I made sure I avoided all spoilers for this one... I'm glad I did because it turned out to be one of the best Lost episode ever.

Loved the interaction between Ben and Locke. 'You're in a wheelchair, I'm not'. Cool that they both wanted the exact same thing. Blow that submarine and nobody leaves the island... Please be my guess Locke!

So the Others don't know that much about the island... seems like Locke who's been there only 80 days knows more. The others are cheater... they shouldn't be using electricity, communications and modern day 'comfort'. I'm glad they are saying there are other myteries on this island appart from Ben's people (and that they were going to address them) because I don't find these 'Others' so interesting. Bring on more island mysteries!

I kind of suspected that Locke's being in a wheelchair had something to do with his dad but this was heartbreaking. Poor Locke... his dad tried to kill him.

AND HOW IN HELL DID COOPER ENDED UP ON THE ISLAND???? Did he arrive after the plane crash or before?? I'm not sure I take that 'box' thing too seriously...If so I guess it would be Sawyer's wish?

I gave it a ten.

we got some answers about Locke and then some wicked twists with Ben and his lies about pretty much everything...Wait until Jack finds out there was no other way OFF the Island after he left...He's gonna blow a gasket at Ben! And Locke...What a guy...First, the Swan, then the Flame and now the sub? Anyone see promos for next week on CTV? I didnt...

why do I get the feeling this episode is further evidence that the creators/writers backed themselves into a corner with all these questions and mysteries and are now attempting to get themselves out of the mess?



A magic box that can give you things you dream of and need would seem like a great idea to explain 99% of the island after 10 hours in a writers room...


*sigh*

I'm reserving judgement in the hopes (ever shrinking) there won't be 'magical' answers to this show, rather reasonable ones. For now, this gets a 5, with the potential to go up higher.


Also you make a fan wait over 2 years to find out how John Locke got into a wheel chair and the payoff will never be good enough. His dad pushing him out of a building was very cool. But 'magic island' being able to help him walk again really isn't....oh well, let's wait and see.

I gave it a 9. One of the best. That's a big answer.

I gave it a 10, which shocks me for a Locke episode. I could have done without the first few flashback scenes, but the paralysis reveal was fantastic.

Loved Alpert and Cooper being on the island, Jack and Juliet's comfort with each other, Jack and Kate's goodbye scene, Danielle spying Alex, and especially Ben and Locke's interactions.

"No, we don't have a code for 'there's a man in the closet with a gun to my daughter's head', but obviously, we should." Ha!

As Tony the Tiger says: It's grrrrreat!

The box is a lousy metaphor, Ben!! Though I can see why you used it, since Locke wasted such a chunk of his life toiling in a box factory, and that would rattle him.

NO ONE plays mind games like Ben Linus!

It is this interplay between him and Locke (hey, even him and Jack, him and Juliet, and him and Alex) that MADE this eppy. And I guess it ain't over yet, huh? Can't wait for the preview thread to be unlocked!

Wonder if Danielle's gonna do anything about this situation, or just keep hiding in the bushes and "avoiding confrontation"? You've seen your DAUGHTER, lady! You can't at least act on THAT?!

Anyway, a fine eppy. They really do seem to be hitting their stride, now! :thumbup:

FINNNAAALLLYYY!!!! Bout time we get a locke episode with an awsome cliffhanger!!! 10. everything was perfict. im so glad i didnt read spoilers, my heart was thumping when he locke was opening that door.

10! The only thing that could of made me happier (though probably not make the episode better) would be to have the other Losties in the episode. There was an excellent flashback story, proof that flashbacks don't have to go dry after seeing so many, and the ending twist is probably the greatest shock yet on Lost. It really left me wanting more.

A ten. Solid from beginning to end. The back(heh)story on Locke was solid. The backstabbing, sabotage and trickery on the island and in Locke's past was fufilling. Plus the ending had the WTF factor that I love in this show. Last week this show was hot, we are now reaching critical mass!!

Can't wait for next week.

10. Superb dialogue. Great acting. Good action. More mystery.

I give it an 8 - I was really pleased with the "reveal". But what is the world with Cooper? Do we really think that it's him??? I'm naturally suspicious - because it's LOST!

:thumbsup: Definately a 10 & definately in my top 5 favorite episodes!

After a two weeks of 9's, this one gets the 10. Actually, im regretting giving those 9's out now because this was at least two points greater than them. Every scene was firing on all cylinders and connected with me. All the Locke/Ben scenes(some of the best scenes ever on Lost), Jack and Kate's goodbye, Sayid telling Alex about her mom etc. And get out of here with that cliffhanger. Amazing. Im guessing Sawyer will be getting some revenge on this show after all.;)

Oh yeah, best FB of the season so far. After that terrible pot farmer thing Locke reclaims his rightful place as the lostie with the best FBs. I wasnt bored with them at all, and im one of the biggest FB cynics around.

So best of the season so far, and one of my favorites ever (on first viewing).

I never thought I would do this, but I finally gave an episode a 10 tonight.

Flawless.

The dialogue was incredible. Brilliant! Everything I could have hoped for. The pacing was just right. The flashback was fantastic. The progress was astonishing. The developments were mind-boggling. The end was masterful.

I will not be posting in the 'Didn't Love It' thread at all for this one.

Freakin' BRILLIANT. I haven't ever given an episode this high a rating. SUPERB.

Bravo, writers. BRAVO.

Really great episode. Had to give it a 10.
I would have been more pleased if I hadn't been spoiled on certain key elements, but I'm now spoiler-free so hopefully other episodes will be this good and will have huge surprises in store for me.
It was too bad that Locke's paralysis was exactly what many of us expected all along.
And part way through the episode and definitely by the end, I realized that Cooper was probably on the island, which some of us had theorized long ago anyway. But it was still an amazing cliffhanger.
The Jack and Kate stuff was really wonderful, and I'm a Skater. heh.
Jack and Juliet are great too.
Alex and Danielle was really great and sad.
Locke is an idiot and I hate him, but his story is good. There are so many questions.

Oh and Ben was the highlight. My goodness he is amazing and his lines were so great tonight.

9 OUT OF 10.

Holy crap, that was an awesome episode. I'm really having to restrain myself from giving it a 10. Ben and Locke together on screen are frakking magic. So many good moments in this episode. The interaction with Alex (and her being seen by Danielle) was really cool. And the way that Locke lost his ability to walk was crazy. His dad is a monster (and no, I don't mean smokie, but that could be the case as well :p . He HAS to be the real Sawyer.

That's all I got right now, the lateness kills my discussion powers!

I've come out of "Lurkdom" to say I am completely floored. ONe of the best epi's ever, ever, ever! Highlights, you guys have said it already: Locke is one creepy dude (which I love!), Ben is sooo evil (love that!), Jack and Juliet, great together and I love Juliet's teary "thank you for keeping your promise, Ben." Heartbreaking! Jack and Kate's good-bye was great, and the profoundly iniquitous Cooper. He absolutely MUST be the original Sawyer. I'll be disappointed if he isn't.

And is it the real Cooper or a manifestation of Smokie? I suppose anything's possible.

Gave it a 9 just because I'm really picky about the 10's, but I could have easily gone with a 10-- it was just. that. good.

Jammin' in the Hurley-mobile on the road to Shambayla,
MB

Hmmm... Mysteriously, I didn't love the episode (gave it a 7). Liked it, but there were moments that reminded me too much of what I didn't like about season 3. Kate and Jack scenes come to mind, made even more annoying now that Jack can't spill the beans on the others. Locke and Ben's scenes where rather underwhelming... and tediously long (as were Kate and Jacks). Long scenes with no substance are a no-no for me. And why exactly did John blow up the sub, knowing that it was exactly what Ben wanted? Transference? So his dad doesn't find him? Gonna have to watch it again to figure that one out.

Loved: Danielle looking at Alex from the behind the shrubbery; learning more about Locke; and the ending was interesting, although we all know John will forgive his dad and get duped again. :rolleyes:

I thought it was just great! We finally get a shocking and heartbreaking answer to one of Lost's longest mysteries, Ben was back in action, Alex finally found out about her mom, and there were some great great Jack and Kate scenes.

I thought it was a great episode because it didn't have to be action packed to still be very intriguing, have some great character development, and advance the story. Can't wait for next week!

I totally didn't get the whole "box" story. Any idiot could see right through it. And I totally thought that the ending was predictable. As soo as I saw Cooper push Locke out the window, I said to my self "yeah he must be the Man from Tallahassee".

But other than that stuff (and the lack of Sawyer of course), I thought that this episode was really great. I gave it a solid 9. I thought that the Kate and Jack scenes were really intense (and I am SOOOO not a Jater)! It was the first time that really "got" that they really do have intense romantic feelings for each other. (It actually made me feel sorry for Sawyer. :frown: ) But, Locke was awesome!!! And it really proved what we should have figured out from his orange peel smile back in the pilot, he is a total whack job!

The last several episodes have all been so good! The big question that I was left with after tonight's episode was: where do they go from here???? It doesn't really sound as though Ben has any intention of letting anyone go. But at least it seems like Tom is now of Jack' side. Hopefully the rest of the season won't continue to be about the escape/rescue from Otherville. But I am very curious to see what will happen next!

I thought the epi was perty darn good......gonna give it an 8 or 9, still deciding.

if i had any complaints, one would be that once Locke threatened his Dad with respect to telling the woman he was going to marry the truth, i thought it was pretty obvious that he would try and kill Locke to shut him up......but personally i really thought he'd get some goons to do it and not get his own hands dirty....so i was still slightly surprised.

But the end, again, was very cool. TPTB seem to have recaptured their ability to really end an episode with a shocker. early episodes this season were seriously lacking in that area.

I gave it a 7. Strong episode overall, with great performances by TOQ and ME. Locke's fall and the twist at the end had impact.

There were a few moments that caused me to giggle and/or shake my head. The "magic box"? Metaphor or not, I found it silly. Locke wanted to blow up the sub why now? So he wouldn't have to leave the island, or so Daddy couldn't get to him? No, just no. And Jack's reason behind trusting the Others ... because Kate told him to? I suppose that's one way to continue to draw out the sad and stale love triangle.

Otherwise, it was a very enjoyable episode.

And Jack's reason behind trusting the Others ... because Kate told him to?



He was just trying to make her feel guilty and let her know that he knows what she did with Sawyer.

He was just trying to make her feel guilty and let her know that he knows what she did with Sawyer.

I know, that's what made an otherwise decent scene, not.

BRAVO!
Great show - I absolutely loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait till next week!

Another great episode! I gave this a 10 and I hardly give episodes that high a rating, even if I love them. The characters and their dialog was riveting. I loved all the scenes between Locke and Ben, as well as the scenes with Jack and Kate. I could care less who ends up with who and the scene didn't feel like a "romance" scene at all. Rather, two people who really care about each other and want to help each other out. I did not see the twist at the end coming and I'm very intrigued as to where the show goes from here. Is Locke going to stay with the Others and work with Ben? Very cool and I can't wait to find out!!!

First episode I've ever given a 10 to. Excellent.

8.5

The box metaphor was more than a simple story -- it was a double-metaphor for the audience. (They've done this thing before.) Ben describes the box as something that contains imagination. What did you watch the episode on? Either a television or a computer -- a box that contains anything you could imagine. And if you used a computer to watch the episode/follow the Lost story, you're probably reading theories. Which makes the computer box another place where anything you can imagine (in this case about Lost) BE.

Excellent episode...I almost gave it a 10. But then I thought, no, I bet the writers have something even better to come. So I gave it 9.
But what a show! Very entertaining.

The ending didn't come as a surprise, but I loved the interactions between Locke & "Daddy." Locke and Ben were wonderful, as always.
And now we're getting to see the truly dark side of Locke.

Yep, I love LOST.

My first 10 rating - loved every minute of it, especially Danielle seeing Alex. Priceless!

I rarely give few episodes a 10, but this one was definitely one of them.

Ditto...actually this is the first I have ever given a 10.

Call me crazy but my preliminary thought is not only was this without question the best season 3 ep so far, but arguably the best of the series as a whole (or at the very least best since the pilot).

I may have misheard, but did Ben refer to Sayid and Kate by different names?

I think I'm still too much half-dazed and confused by the black box/Ben/Locke action, half emotional mess from my little heart exploding to come up with something new, so I'll just bring over my knee-jerk reaction from Gregg's section:

Lost, you broke my heart, AGAIN ...but this time, it was the GOOD kind of heartbreak.

I was so close to giving up on this show after the first six episodes of the season. So close.

But now I'm just happy I can love my show again. Since the return from hiatus, you've made me tear up a couple of times (when Kate retold the story to Jack in Not In Portland, when Claire told her mom she was sorry at the end of Par Avion), which is already a huge accomplishment for any entertainment form as far as I'm concerned because I NEVER cry at movies.

However, that's nothing compared to tonight. I had tears running down my face when Jack and Kate were holding hands and saying goodbye and I got that stupid feeling inside... the one where your chest hurts. I can't believe I'm telling you this, because well... it's embarrassing. I just need to get it out of my system. :smile:

And THEN... then you broke me with Locke and the scene where he's lowered into the chair for the first time. I was bawling my eyes out. The look in Terry O'Quinn's eyes and the camera angles... I have NO words. :ntworthy:

Like I said... that and the hand holding with Jate was my undoing tonight.

So thanks for breaking my heart.

PS: the CGI in Locke's fall was rather bad, IMO, but I do. not. care. THAT's how much I loved this episode.

I had to give this episode a 10. OMG. I'm still going OMG after watching it!! I was like omg it can't be Cooper behind the door, it can't be. But it WAS!! And Jack and Kate = <3.

I love me some Jate. hehe. :D

And the Ben/Locke dialogue was fantastic. spot on. HOLY COW!!

Next week looks awesome too. <3.

This one goes to 11.

It was good...and I loved the twist ending.

But there was TOO MUCH KATE AND JACK!!!

What on earth are we, as viewers, supposed to gain from a 4 minute exchange between Kate and Sawyer where they mumble lines to each other, stare longingly at one another, and DON'T advance the plot at all? Their conversation could have been a 1 minute clip, but no, the Lost writers make it dramatic and crap.

I also would have preferred a bit of the beach, though for this episode I suppose that wouldn't be possible.

I did love the exchanges between Sayid and Alex, Locke and Alex, and especially Locke and Ben. The flashbacks were great too. Overall, I rated the episode with a 7.

Keep up the great work! :)

I may have misheard, but did Ben refer to Sayid and Kate by different names?

He just called them by their last names: Austen and Jarrah.


PS: the CGI in Locke's fall was rather bad, IMO, but I do. not. care. THAT's how much I loved this episode.

Haha, it really was pretty bad! ;) But I had completely forgotten about it amongst all the good that was in the episode!

I have never voted a 10 before tonight..

Terry brought this show to a completely different level. Amazing interaction between Locke and Ben...Jack and Kate...Cooper comes back and is now the most heinous villian on TV...wow.

Yeah, even Charles Widmore can't compete with Cooper the Creep! :eek:

This episode was so good that a scale of 1 to 10 isn't good enough anymore. This one went above and beyond!



Terry brought this show to a completely different level.

I agree. He brought it up to Emmy level!

I have to give it a 10. We find out more about Locke, his daddy issues, how he got in the wheelchair. We have another blow-up (literally and figuratively at the same time).

The look on Jack's face how pissed he was when the sub blew up.

And best of all, bad boy Cooper is on the Island! What's next!

Gave it a 9 instead of 10 only because I'm not sure how that "magic box" thing is going to work out - it seems a little far-fetched, but I'm betting they'll make something good out of it. I'd have to put my money on Cooper being the "real Sawyer" now, and that'll be one great showdown (if Locke doesn't kill him first). But then again, that seems to easy an answer - is it more of an "apparition", like Eko's brother and Kate's horse? We'll have to wait and see.

Locke's character was GREAT tonight - he still seems to hold that faith in the island after all I guess. Loved how he handled Ben, too. I was worried for a second when he lied to that lady's son about knowing Cooper that he might do something bad, but nope, he tried to do the right thing. :) And to see Ben want it SO BAD. And we found out Ben WAS born there, as well as a glimpse into just how EVIL he can be.
AND, what was up with Tom's little signal?? Do our castaways have an Others ally after all?

Of course, I missed Sawyer and Skate, but Locke is one of my favs as well, and I did a lot of gasping and screaming at the TV tonight (hope my neighbors weren't worried :71:),
so overall a GREAT episode.

I gave it a 7. (Please don't hate me! :biggrin:) I think I just expected more. Something completely different. I found parts of the episode predictable. I wasn't surprised Cooper was responsible for Locke's paralysis, though the fact that he was the one who charged Locke through the window hit me a bit. I wasn't even surprised Cooper was on the island at the end. I saw it coming. And that whole metaphorical magic box thing...I dunno. I thought TOQ was fantastic in the episode though. When he looked at his legs when he was first in the wheelchair...wow....powerful. But there was too much Jack and Kate and I found Locke blowing up the sub so he could stay on the island and be "whole" kind of selfish. I LOVED Danielle spying Alex! And I also liked how Sayid kinda rolled his eyes at the floor when Kate said it was just them, lol.

9

Seems like the old LOST is finally back. Mystery and questions and a great ending!

That's got to be the best ep so far this season.

Love it, the whole episode moved so well. Great acting all around, Locke's line to Ben about "then I guess you can get another submarine"... great!! Reminded me of Jack's
"I guess you won't be disappointed very long" kicker.

Looking forward to the Alex/Danielle stuff, more Kate and Jack interaction (finally) wow, what intensity and layered writing/acting -super
and of course, Terry O'Quinn's portrayal of a guy who's got REAL daddy issues - superb - since I didn't lilke the Locke epi with Eko, it was great to have him back.

This is the first time I've rated an epi as a 10, felt it delivered on all levels and here's hoping that they're back on track for good!
squid

I gave it an 8. I loved Ben in this eppy, and the entire show was good. However, after waiting 2+ years to find out how Locke became paralyzed, I guess I was hoping for something a little more interesting than him getting pushed out of the window by Mr. Cooper.

I gave it an 8. I usually hate Locke episodes because flashback Locke makes me cringe, but this was a good one.

I like the magic box. I can't imagine how they'll explain it satisfactorily, but it brought back some of that aura of spooky mystery from season 1. :)

Ugh. I think it's time to call for "clean up in aisle..................... TPTB are even pushing my buttons now. I'm finding it difficult to accept the whole plot line. With the arrival of the ultimate con man I'm becomming convinced that the people being conned are the people watching this program. I'm hoping foir the future but...........

A 10... I had lost faith in Locke completely, grown tired of him being so wish washy, but he was stronge and detemined.. there was change in him.. his faith was back.
never not in a million years would i have guessed Locks fate. but it still opens some questions to how he lived through what he did.. but again.. this is why i watch lost..

I voted this episode a 10.

Amazing acting from every single actor in this episode. The story was so good, I didn't even think about missing the beach people.

John and Ben's mind games and con are pretty much unbeatable.

Jack and Kate's reunion and farewell (temporary now thanks to Mr. Locke :) ), were so emotional, intense and powerful.

Wow, Ben had all those pictures of Alex on his wall. He's a proud papa.

Terry O'Quinn shined like 1000 stars in this episode. Oh the pain of watching him get into that wheelchair, and the shock on his face when he saw and said "Dad".

Jack's not too happy with Locke. Where are Jack and Sayid being kept prisoner?

Best episode of Season 3.

Keep up the great work guys!!


shoegirl

definately a nine, just for the emotion it got out of me. mostly yelling at the tv. locke absolutely will not tell the truth ever. when the kid came looking for answers he lied. when the police asked questions, he lied. when he first found the hatch he kept it a secret. he always thinks he has the answer, the way to handle whatever and almost always screws up. if this whole show is a hallucination the last thing we see will be locke in a padded room somewhere. i do hope cooper is sawyer because (james) sawyer will have no problem dealing with him as opposed to locke who will sit there and let him do god knows what to him. all the while thinking he's in control and doing things his way. i'd like to see them turn jack and sayid loose on him and them just take turns.

Excellent episode, made me sad because it almost seemed like the show was coming to a conclusion. If Jack would have left the island I think it would have been the begining of the end of Lost.
Kind of glad Locke blew up the submarine, but it was selfish and crazy. He's getting more unstable with the unresolved Daddy issues, yet gets my sympathy. Dad makes him feel worthless and rejected. His acting out & erractic behavior puts them all in danger, so hope he get's it together soon. We'll see.

excellent episode. Everything that consists of a great episode. Great flashbacks, big explosion, and a total shocking moment at the end! Wonderful.

I rated the episode a 9. It was really good. This was my favorite Locke flashback by far. When Locke's dad pushed him out the window, I was in shock. Also, I loved the scene between Jack and Kate where she was touching his hand. Plus, I felt as though the story is moving forward.

10 out of 10, excellent episode.

I enjoyed everything from it and there were plenty of omg moments for me, especially towards the ending. Loved.it.

I definitely gave this episode a 10. By far one of the best episodes of the season, if not the series. That last scene was an "Oh you got to be kidding me!" moment. I kind of knew that was where it was going towards the end when Ben was talking about what came out of the 'box', but that raises all kinds of questions, begining with "How the heck did Locke's dad get there and what and where is this dang box?" Oh, you can go on and on about this episode. It's going to be fun seeing what everyone is saying.

It was the best episode I've seen this season (I have missed a couple).
I actually experienced one or two moments of frisson, something this show hasn't given me since the season two premier. Locke's defenestration gave me a jolt, thanks, I'm sure, to a writer from the Buffyverse. They often managed to surprise me even when I was expecting a surprise.

The "box" seems to indicate a Star Trek "Shore Leave" idea, which was discussed here at one point.

This episode fully deserved a 10, and that's what I gave it! I can't find anything bad to say about it - nothing! It seemed to shed some light on some things and really up the ante a lot. I don't even think the "magic box" thing is the 'deus ex machina' that some seem to fear - afterall, Ben was putting it in a way that Locke could understand.

I gave it a 10. I just loved all the character interaction this week, especially Ben and Locke. And what a way to end up in a wheelchair. I'm surprised he survived that fall. And was Mr. Cooper or whatever his real name is there for Locke or Sawyer or some other reason?

I give the ep. a...7 out of 10, maybe.
I concur with those who say that there would seem to be some supernatural elements at work here, despite TPTB long stating that there would not be.
One question that continues to nag me--well, one of many--is: How, HOW were the Others able to gather so much info. on the survivors in such a short period of time?
I understand that they have contact with the outside world, sure. But with whom could they possibly be in contact that would be able to find out so much, so quickly, about so many different people?! Intimate, personal knowledge...?! Thus determining which people are the "good" ones?
The CIA wouldn't be able to gather that much intel in a matter of a few days!
As we've seen when the crash took place, there seems to be nothing to indicate that--in spite of the remarkable connections between the passengers--the Others knew in advance who'd be on the plane. The passengers were all on board simply by coincidence.... So COME ON!
And now they're able to get people like Locke's father to the island with apparent ease?
Seriously, does this drive anyone else crazy?

PS-I suppose it's a given that none of the survivors would ever ask the Others "How can you possibly know all of this?"

I gave it an 8. I was appropriately horrified by the flashbacks and Locke's dad pushing him out a window. And there were moments that really had me glued to the TV...

But there were also some parts where I was kind of bored and things felt really disjointed. I think the whole setting in the others little suburbia with Kate and Sayid being captured and the way that all worked...I don't know...something didn't click for me. It was too wierd.

It's interesting to see that so many people loved this episode. I absolutely hated it. I'd give it an F-. Or like a G. This episode was totally incomprehensible. Throughout most of the episode, nothing out of Ben's mouth made any sense. I'm tired of having figure out what is going inbetween the lines all the time. I'm an intelligent person, but I'm tired of sitting through a show for an hour, and then realizing that everything I heard was false or means something else.

Locke blowing up the submarine? I wish there was a way to make this face :rolleyes: fifty times bigger. PLEASE. I can accept that these folks won't be getting off the island for the duration of this show, but what I cannot accept is when characters act in such incredibly STUPID ways for very simple plot purposes. Instead of making Locke look like a gigantic moron, how about just making the submarine inoperable after the "purple sky" incident? I'm tired of watching these charactors twist and bend for mere convenience.

And suddenly the reason Locke doesn't want to leave the island because he's afraid of his father? SINCE WHEN? As far as I can tell, Locke doesn't want to leave the island because HE CAN WALK.

Awful.

I gave it a 9, which is my top rating. I'm still reserving my 10 for the best episode of the series :) With all these 9's I've been doling out lately, it's gonna be tough to pick a winner :)

So now we have time travel and a magic box? This may be where Lost finally jumped the shark.

I'm guessing there will be a super-duper invisibity sheild to explain why no one can find the island. Add aliens, clones, and people coming back from the dead and let's get really crazy. TPTB promised in season one things were grounded in reality. It looks like they wrote themselves into so many corners they had to rely on bizarre supernatural elements to continue the story and resolve plotlines.

Locke's Dad was responsible for putting him in the wheelchair? Who would have guessed that? We waited 2 1/2 seasons for this? One word: ANTICLIMACTIC.

Lately the score has been very noticable. A good music score adds to the episode and complements the action on screen. The overly dramatic music during this episode begged so hard for the audience to be moved that it made me cringe and distracted me from what I was watching.

I thought the dreaded love triangle/hexagon was dead? Enough already.

WHY didn't they search Sayid's pack and find the C4? Locke thinks Henry left the C4 in Sayid's pack because he wanted him to blow up the sub? How would that have worked exactly? Henry was in bed and didn't know Sayid and Kate were captured. So obviously Henry didn't know there was a pack with C4 in it. So how could Henry tell someone not to search Sayid's pack and leave the C4 there for Locke to use?

Did Locke really have to blow up the sub? He went to all that trouble to get rid of one way to leave the island when he knew nothing of other ways to leave or communicate? How about this Locke, when it comes time to be rescued, don't leave. Let everyone else go. Sorry but this whole plot of Locke not wanting to leave and doing everything he can to stop everyone else from leaving is ridiculous.

10/10!! One of the best. A question answered, big shockers and a fantstic Jack/Kate scene. What more does an episode need? Ok, maybe Sawyer ;).

Ok... I gave this episode a 10!

Which means I liked it better than "Flashes" and just as much as "Pilot I-II".

The acting was above top-notch from everybody. I'm loving the Locke-Ben dynamic - what a great sparring pair they are!

For the first time ever I didn't hate the Locke flashback - I thought it totally delivered... in best LOST form (a.k.a. bordering the believable), as TOQ mentioned in one of his interviews.

I'm very thankful to the writers for not beating the dead horse any further (= Locke is/was gullible) and portraying him closer to the Locke we came to know in season one. Also loved the reappearance of Locke's red bug :)

I gave it a 7 just for entertainment value. It lost points for being too confusing and frustrating for me. Ben is very manipulative and you can't really believe what he says so none of what we learned is probably true. This has gone into the sc-fi realm with being able to conjure up your thoughts and be healed by an island so I guess you have to be willing to go along with that concept. It's okay by me but they are going to have to make more sense out of it all. Also the plot lines and characters are way too inconsistent.

why do I get the feeling this episode is further evidence that the creators/writers backed themselves into a corner with all these questions and mysteries and are now attempting to get themselves out of the mess?



A magic box that can give you things you dream of and need would seem like a great idea to explain 99% of the island after 10 hours in a writers room...


*sigh*

I'm reserving judgement in the hopes (ever shrinking) there won't be 'magical' answers to this show, rather reasonable ones. For now, this gets a 5, with the potential to go up higher.


Also you make a fan wait over 2 years to find out how John Locke got into a wheel chair and the payoff will never be good enough. His dad pushing him out of a building was very cool. But 'magic island' being able to help him walk again really isn't....oh well, let's wait and see.

Im with you ikonn. Am surprised there are so many 10's up there. I just thought they really didnt resolve anything here. The Others as usual foiled Jack and co. and now Locke destroyed all hope of escape. Where do they go from here?

Im well aware that part of the show is getting more questions then answeres, but Im getting tired of getting my chain yanked too. And I think Jack is pretty stupid for beleiving Ben would actually let him go that soon. And Locke is even stupider. Looks like Bens got himself a nice little helper monkey now. :p

Loved this episode, fantastic TV. Locke was fantastic in this episode, he gave a whole new meaning to "Don't tell me what i can't do!" this episode, falling 8 floors from a building on to hard concrete and living, soldiering on, gotta love that character. Jack was a little underwhelming for me, and Jack and Juliet didn't really have that chemistry that i thought they had in the mini season. Liked the Jack and Kate scene although it was pretty forgettable, loved the dialogue between Locke and Ben, fantastic stuff. Bit disappointed that Sayid didn't clock the Others' ambush plan like he did with Mikhael's.

The flashbacks were fantastic, the fall scene shocked me, so much that i didn't even take time to look at the CG when he was falling, i couldnt tell whether it was bad or not, ill have to rewatch it. When he went back into the wheelchair was heartbreaking, this episode brought out a variety of my emotions, sadness for Locke, tension with alot of the scenes, curiousity with the box metaphor scenes, and "WTF" at the end.

What is that an illusion or is he really there? Oh wow if any other show put a man tied up in a room you'd take it as it it, but not LOST, you never know what's gonna happen with that! 9/10!

Ben & Locke dialog was fantastic.
Ben's capacity for trickery makes $500 an hour Defense attorneys look like pikers. Flashbacks were great. For the longest time I couldn't figure out which side Locke was on. Now it is obvious to me Locke is on Locke's side. The more we learn about him the more it makes sense he is the only one he can count on.

I gave it a one because i was so depressed afterwards i literally felt sick to my stomach. although i should have given it a higher number bc the dialogue between ben and locke was good, and the whole box thing blew my mind.

I gave this episode a 10. I thought it was just fab: Locke's fb reveal, Danielle catching a glimpse of Alex, Jack's reunion with Kate, his proposed escape with Juliet, the exploding sub, Ben's interaction with absolutely everyone and Cooper bound and gagged in a cupboard! Boomalicious!

I thought it was a great episode, the whole dialog between ben and locke was perfect :fight2:and the scene with Locke with his hands up and the sub blowing up behind him was amazing, plus the look on Jacks face...Priceless.

I give it a 9.:73happy::73happy::73happy::73happy::73happy:

I give it a 9. Best episode of Season 3--by far.

The Locke/Ben interaction and dialogue were awesome (especially with Ben in the chair and Locke not and all the symbolism/meaning that has), as was Locke’s back-story, as was the sub (if only for a minute). The Ben manipulating/intellect thing is really starting to get interesting. For a while last season, and early this season I was getting tired of it, and Ben, and Locke. I was really tired of Locke. But last night was intriguing almost puzzling (in a good way), makes you wonder what Ben is REALLY thinking? What Ben REALLY knows (and does not know)? What Ben can and can’t do? Same for Locke (to an extent). One thing’s for sure, Ben Plays Locke EXTREMELY well.

Which makes one wonder, did Locke actually plan to use the C4 on the sub? That seems like an awful lot of wishful thinking and serendipity to go from the Flame (and having no idea where the sub is) to blowing it up the next day, and all that needed to go right for that to happen (but is there more to the story?). I guess Locke did see the video about the Sub when he was playing chess…. But still, Locke had a lot of luck/help to pull it off.

I even liked the “Jack/Juliet” are leaving story line (and even the romantic tension with Kate). If anything, it links Jack to the sub and once again pits Jack against Locke (Locke blows up Jack’s ticket off the island, as Jack is about to Board!). And freaking lock blew up SOMETHING ELSE!

The Rousseau/Alex thing (especially the Sayid line) is really interesting too. When did Rousseau and Ben become estranged? What’s going on there? Is Ben really Alex’s dad?

And the ending was just mind-numbing (but in a very good way). What’s up with the “box”? And how bizarre is this island? Does it force you to deal with your demons? And has it been doing that all along? Is it just that Locke is just starting to "get it" now? Is Locke’s dad really in the box, or is it just a figment of Locke’s imagination? Is the box a modern-day Pandora’s Box? Does it show you what you want to see? Why isn’t Ben where Locke is “spiritually” with the island? Or is he? Ben was born there?! And is this all another of Ben’s big games...?

So much to ponder. So much to digest. So good.

Lost is back!

Ben's capacity for trickery makes $500 an hour Defense attorneys look like pikers.


The Ben manipulating/intellect thing is really starting to get interesting. For a while last season, and early this season I was getting tired of it, and Ben, and Locke. I was really tired of Locke. But last night was intriguing almost puzzling (in a good way), makes you wonder what Ben is REALLY thinking? What Ben REALLY knows (and does not know)? What Ben can and can’t do? Same for Locke (to an extent). One thing’s for sure, Ben Plays Locke EXTREMELY well.



I don't understand why everyone is saying Ben Manipulated Locke and played him.

Ben was in bed and didn't know Sayid and Kate were captured. So obviously Ben didn't know there was a pack with C4 in it. So how could Ben tell someone not to search Sayid's pack and leave the C4 there for Locke to use?

And for that matter why didn't they search Sayid's pack once they captured him?

10/10

A classic.

OMG, this was very very close to 10!!! I gave it a 9 plus :biggrin:

Loved Otherville, loved the Jate thing, Tom and Jack having a bond, LOVED Ben as usual... Loved John's fall... oh and John... whatever he will do from now on he has every right to freak out and be crazy, he has my absolution for anything. Sheesh, how can anyone survive that?! :eek:

And let's not forget the MacCutchon's whiskey at Cooper's :biggrin:
100%
I don't understand why everyone is saying Ben Manipulated Locke and played him.

Ben was in bed and didn't know Sayid and Kate were captured. So obviously Ben didn't know there was a pack with C4 in it. So how could Ben tell someone not to search Sayid's pack and leave the C4 there for Locke to use?

And for that matter why didn't they search Sayid's pack once they captured him?

Ben knew he was going to blow up the sub, he said so and pretended to talk him out of it, remember?

"If you met Mikhail, you've been in the Flame and saw the C4..." something of the sort...

I don't understand why everyone is saying Ben Manipulated Locke and played him. Ben was in bed and didn't know Sayid and Kate were captured. So obviously Ben didn't know there was a pack with C4 in it. So how could Ben tell someone not to search Sayid's pack and leave the C4 there for Locke to use?

And for that matter why didn't they search Sayid's pack once they captured him?

In all fairness, we don't know that Ben didn't know. For all we know, the Others knew they were coming. That sonic fence may have some method of relaying intrusions. It may have monitoring software running against it to let someone know if the barrier has been breached, which it was when Mikhail was shoved across its border.

Not only that, but the entire Flame station blew up. Isn't it at least possible if not plausible that the Others would know about that fairly immediately? I can't imagine that massive explosions go un-noticed. Not only that, but perhaps they were monitoring that station as well. Maybe there was a camera in there somewhere and they saw Locke lift the C4. Maybe the C4 was wired, and they knew when one was removed. Any number of ways. Ben clearly knew *something* about it. As mentioned above, he deduced that Locke had seen the C4 awfully fast, so isn't it likely that he might think Locke had some?

Bottom line is - we just don't know. When Locke said "I'm not here for Jack", Ben probably knew what was going on, if he didn't already. Let's look at what Ben knew - He knew the island healed Locke, he knew Locke knew about the sub, he knew Locke probably didn't want to leave the island, and there's Locke saying he's not there for Jack, and asking where the sub is. Seems like an easy deduction. Sure, maybe he wasn't certain that there was C4 in the pack, but he may have figured Locke was planning on sabotaging it at the very least.

And as a point of fact, Ben didn't tell anyone not to search Locke's pack - Locke was just speculating on what Ben must have said, that doesn't mean Locke was right.

The Team gives this a 9 out of 10 points. We enjoyed it quite a bit and look forward to watching it again tonight; however, we stop short of a 10 because it was a little predictable and we found the ending too planned. The plot was engrossing us up until the end, but seeing Anthony Cooper in what seemed a very staged step-up was just a little too convenient and contrived.
But Locke out the window! Geesh! That was scary. I just took a fall down stairs and had plenty of time to worry, lament, and fret as I banged my way down. I pity Locke the thoughts that must have flown through his mind in that much longer and more tragic fall. I hate to admit it, but I almost cried when I saw that wheelchair placed in front of Locke; I was fearing that might be my fate, and I could empathize with Locke's crushed reaction to being faced with that reality.

I gave it a 10. I loved every minute of this episode!!!

In all fairness, we don't know that Ben didn't know. For all we know, the Others knew they were coming. That sonic fence may have some method of relaying intrusions. It may have monitoring software running against it to let someone know if the barrier has been breached, which it was when Mikhail was shoved across its border.


I think it's a bit of a stretch to think the fence had sophisticated relaying intrusions but nothing to keep someone from easily climbing over it.



Not only that, but the entire Flame station blew up. Isn't it at least possible if not plausible that the Others would know about that fairly immediately? I can't imagine that massive explosions go un-noticed.


Maybe they would have heard the explosion but we don't know how close the Flame was to their village. And if they did hear the explosion and thought something was wrong, they did a poor job securing their village.



Not only that, but perhaps they were monitoring that station as well. Maybe there was a camera in there somewhere and they saw Locke lift the C4. Maybe the C4 was wired, and they knew when one was removed. Any number of ways.


The Flame was monitored and they actually saw Locke take the C4 or the C4 was wired? Again, this all seems like a stretch. What would that scenario have been? Someone sees Locke take the C4 and tells Ben? So wouldn't everyone in the village have thought maybe Locke and others were on their way with C4? Wouldn't they have been on guard and tightened security? Also, it makes it even more ridiculous that they didn't search Sayid's bag, that Kate was able to just walk into Jack's room and Locke walked into Ben's room.



Ben clearly knew *something* about it. As mentioned above, he deduced that Locke had seen the C4 awfully fast, so isn't it likely that he might think Locke had some?


It seems very contrived to me (like many other things on Lost). Ben knew something not because it made sense, Ben knew something because TPTB needed Ben to know something.




Bottom line is - we just don't know. When Locke said "I'm not here for Jack", Ben probably knew what was going on, if he didn't already. Let's look at what Ben knew - He knew the island healed Locke, he knew Locke knew about the sub, he knew Locke probably didn't want to leave the island, and there's Locke saying he's not there for Jack, and asking where the sub is. Seems like an easy deduction. Sure, maybe he wasn't certain that there was C4 in the pack, but he may have figured Locke was planning on sabotaging it at the very least.


So if Ben deduced Locke had the C4 and planned to destroy or sabotage the sub while Locke was in his room, why is it that whoever captured Sayid didn't search his pack? So Ben sent Alex to get the pack for Locke hoping his peple were incompetant enough not to look through a bag someone was carrying who was breaking into their camp?



And as a point of fact, Ben didn't tell anyone not to search Locke's pack - Locke was just speculating on what Ben must have said, that doesn't mean Locke was right.


Right. Ben couldn't have told them not to search Sayid's pack. So why wouldn't they have searched it?

So what exactly was Ben going to do about the sub if Locke wouldn't have shown up that night? It seems very convenient that Locke just so happens to show up with some C4 to destroy the sub at just the right time.

All this is meant to make Ben look like some great manipulator but it just doesn't make sense. The real manipulators here are TPTB.

A 9 for me, that episode rox my sox.

And John Locke is amazing. The best. awesome.

John Locke ftw.

10/10. Best episode this season. LOST is shaping up to be everything I hoped it would be. That last scene had to be the best scene since the scene in Lockdown where the blast door map was revealed when it comes to mythology. Very eerie and The Prisoner-esque. Loved it.

And hey, people... I have a little secret... THERE IS NO LITERAL MAGIC BOX. IT WAS A METAPHOR. A MIND GAME. Ben likes to play those, you know. I can say with 100% confidence that there is no physical "magic box". I am certain of that.

Ten Solid. Great story and plot lines. The box thing was evil Ben being Evil. Great setup too that Locke knows more about the island than the others. What i still can't figure is how Ben and the others (who look as if they know) the history behind some of our Lostie characters.

This EP spurred me back into the saddle although I have been watching, my interest level was down, its back up now. Hope TPTB will have the courage to keep giving and stop contriving more layers of plot and sub-plot.

I thought it was great! I gave it an 8. I loved the interaction between Ben and Locke. I was thrilled that Danielle finally found her daughter, Alex! Awesome!!

I really liked it. Gave it a 9.

Terry O'Quinn was great, as were the rest of the cast. Awesome to see the creepy Mittelos guy on the island. I realised this episode that Sayid is now my favourite character, not because of anything he did this episode particularly, but I always look forward to his scenes. The Why Locke Was In A Wheelchair reveal was good, but after two and a half seasons, I don't think anything could live up to the expectations. It helped though that Terry O'Quinn doesn't just have acting chops but a whole acting spit roast. I happened to love the Jack/Kate scenes this episode. He loves her and he really wishes he didn't. Matthew Fox is great. Danielle's storyline is really exciting me. Mira Furlan is just awesome and she's easily my favourite supporting character. The ending was great too. I hope our Sawyer gets to put a bullet in that bastard.

I didn't give it a 10 for the following reasons:
I like the "magic box" idea only slightly more than I liked the time travel idea... so not much at all.
Michael Giacchino, as talented as he is, doesn't seem to be trying anymore and his score now detracts from my enjoyment of the show.
Nobody asked the most obvious question: "why are you treating us this way?"

7, only!

Marked it highly for Ben (who always makes me laugh, I love the sarcastic understatement and the barefaced lies), all the talk about the island, the background info about the Others, and Rousseau seeing Alex for the first time since she was a week-old baby.

Then marked it down because the Jack and Kate face-to-face was a bit feeble considering what's going on, Locke gets on my nerves, and all the evasiveness in the script (and especially the dialogue) is getting tiresome.

For example, Locke soaking wet just before the sub exploded. If he moved the sub and swam back, why couldn't we see that? If not, why was he wet? Another totally contrived and pointless 'mystery'!

:eek2:

It was amazing.

9/10

I would have given it a 10 but I had to sit through the Jack,Kate scene.

Loved Locke, Ben, Sayid, Alex & Danielle in this eppy.

I agree that Jack/Kate was the weak link in this ep.

Personally, I could have sat through a whole ep of Ben/Locke. :rolleyes:

It was a ten all the way until I saw Cooper, for me it was a tad predictable. But other than that, best epsiode since the Swan was discovered!

I thought it was really good, so 8. Good plot, and the exchanges between Locke and Ben were great. Especially about where their electricity comes from... :laugh:

Definately a 10! Loved it the entire way through. :biggrin:

Locke and Henry are my fav couple on TV!

I've never given a 10 yet, but I loved this episode. It had my heart beating in anticipation the whole hour.

I've said it before Drew's writing ---- I am not worthy:77: :77: :77: :77:

The show was great --- even Sayid to Alex "You look like your mother."
Kate with Jack (and I'm a Sawyer/Kate girl myself)

The BEST was the interaction between BENRY/John. Although why John believes ANYTHING Ben says is beyond me. It was a great verbal fencing match.:starwars:

Can I sat how GREAT Terry Quinn is --- Wow! Please offer this one for his EMMY cause he would walk away with it for sure if their was any justice.

I gave it a ten, John Locke episodes are always sooooo goooood

First 10 I ever gave. The writers are back in the groove. Ben and Locke make perfect adversaries - much better than John vs Jack (there never was any real reason for that). I have the feeling that Pandora's box has just been opened...

Hope the ratings start to reflect the quality of the last couple of episodes.

Oldwiz

I gave it 9. Well written, well acted, well paced, well ended, well well....

I'm reserving 10 for a better episode (I don't want to set an excellency level)

Dialogues were engaging, Locke-Ben dynamic was superb. Kudos for not mixing a flowing story with a lighter beach story. I really do like Lost when it is not relaxed. I want to see people restless, fearful, aware of the weirdness and actually living it. That episode certainly made it. I hope they don't lighten the air and keep the pace of the last two episodes going.

Really a good episode. One of the best this season...gave it an eight.

7. It was pretty good, and I'm really glad we got some more answers (hopefully that will quiet down the complainers for a while), like about how Locke ended up in his wheelchair. Speaking of which, can I just say WOW? That was crazy! So not what I was expecting. As soon as Locke went into Anthony's house, I knew it was gonna happen, though.

What else did I like? Hmmm... Seeing Jack again was pretty cool. At least now we know why he was acting all buddy-buddy with Tom. And how he told Kate that he would come back for her... AWWW! I love Jack.


Still, I'm not so crazy about Locke and his storyline (although Terry is fantastic), and there was no Charlie, Claire, Des, Sun, Jin, etc, which is why I gave it a 7.

Great episode! Tense scenes with two of my favorite characters (Locke and Ben), more of Sayid being a hero by telling Alex her mother's alive, and cool special effects of Locke's injury. More evidence that the later half of Season 3 has redeemed the first.

Still not sure how I feel about this episode, but it probably ranks somewhere around a 7. Cooper causing Locke's fall seemed almost redundant given the amount of damage he's already done to him, but the eight-story fall almost makes up for it. Not sure if I would have preferred his paralysis to be unrelated to his father or not, since that could have been another source of anguish for Locke that they could have opened up later. I'm still hoping we'll get the flashback that explains how he got to be so knowledgeable during the time between his paralysis and his trip to Australia. Also, Terry O'Quinn was great as always. Really liked the scene when he was walking up the dock after blowing up the submarine/pretending to blow up the submarine.

However, Ben is becoming a huge problem. I've been sick of his one liners ever since he uttered the cringe inducing "Got Milk" and "You don't get any coffee" lines. He talks like a cartoon character and they need to kill him quickly. I don't know how to feel about Anthony Cooper being on the Island and the whole magic box thing yet. If he was captured by Others it would explain how they know so much about Locke. If not, then I don't know... all the information that Henry revealed was unnessicarily vague and over-the-top.

Loved everything about it. Ben and Locke were great together. Locke crashing through that glass window, and Anthony behind that door = :shock:
I liked the Jack scenes too.

I gave it a 7. Didn't enjoy it as much as last week's episode. Something about it just didn't have that "punch."

I have to say that I'm surprised that there's people who really disliked this episode :ohwell:
It just goes to show that people have very different tastes..
Anyway I loved this episode. It had all the ingredients that I love.. some suspense, some twists, mystery, answers, and more questions..
I read how some people didn't like this episode because they found that things didn't "make sense" -- for me that's the best part of the series.. things aren't what they seem and things that exist there don't exist in reality.. therefore, anything goes.. there is no limit as to what can happen or not happen. I like how this season is finally picking up..

I couldn't decide if it was a 7 or an 8, but it was definitely way above average.

There were some nice surprises and some much needed resolutions (of sorts). I enjoyed watching how Locke really morphed into a very dangerous man of sorts between last week's episode and this one. Obviously, John Locke is now capable of murder, and although I think he is not evil, he is dangerously close to losing himself (and maybe his mind). Terry did a fantastic job. The flashbacks for all the characters have been getting redundant, and frankly, I thought the initial flashback for Locke was the same-old-same-old. I say this because Locke was still interacting with his father and lying and being manipulated. I don't know why he didn't just tell the kid the truth about his lying, scheming, murderous worm of a father, but instead, he had to confront his father again. The best part of the flashback was the unexpected way that Locke ended up in the chair. I was really expecting the classic "car accident." I wasn't expecting the shove out of a high rise. Kudos for that surprise.

Ben and Locke were amusing and menacing, and I don't see the same connections that some fans seem to have made about some of the stuff Ben said. For instance, I don't believe there is a magic box at all. It's a metaphor. The "box" is simply another way of saying, "Here's the SOB who has made your life a living hell." I don't think the box is literally a magic thing. Also, I don't believe that Locke doesn't want to leave the island because he's afraid of his father. That was just a quick mind game Ben played on Locke before opening the door that revealed the monster inside. I DO believe that Locke doesn't want off the island because he's afraid of not being able to walk again.

That being said, I think the introduction of Cooper to the island is going to REALLY play with Locke's head. Also, the one-liners and discussions between Ben and Locke (Terry and Michael) was superb.

I really enjoyed the Jack and Kate scenes. That scene HAD to happen. They've been separated all season, and a reunion was inevitable. Happily, it was a credible, emotional reunion. It wasn't crying and sappy dialogue. There is obviously something between Jack and Kate, but whether the writers choose to play it out is anyone's guess. I was happy to see that Jack was indeed under surveillance, and not suddenly friends with the Others. How creepy is that to have cameras in your "home?" The poor guy has had cameras on him for about two weeks straight. Not to mention the fact that like five guys came barreling into his home in about two minutes after Kate arrived.

Overall, the Kate and Jack scene was just really well done. So glad that Jack is back. I did think that Jack wanted to absolutely kill Locke when John destroyed the sub, and someone who posted may be correct about Jack hitting him. Locke had one heck of a shiner, but it's also possible that one of the Others hit him after blowing the sub.

There were some interesting things about the episode too:

1. It seems that Ben was not going to allow Jack to leave, but he was looking for a way out of giving his word. Like he said, the trip was one way because the pulse had knocked out communications. So, was Ben's initial plan TO allow Jack to leave and just never come back? I don't think so. I think the minute Ben knew that Locke was planning to blow up the submarine, THAT'S when he allowed Jack to leave, knowing that he wouldn't be able to do so. There was telling moment when Jack was going to leave and he asked Ben to let his friends go, and Ben said, "I'll let them go the minute you leave the island,"' knowing, of course, that Jack wasn't going anywhere. I can't tell if he ever intended to let Jack leave.

There was another question as to how Ben knows so much about the survivors, and I'm thinking that Ethan was gathering alot of names when he first posed as one of the survivors. Ethan also returned to Ben and the Others (after taking Claire), so he could have given Ben all the names of the "relevant" people. At that point, Ben could have requested information on those people. It's been stated that the Dharma Initiative is quite wealthy and powerful, so I would think they have the means to investigate the backgrounds of the Losties.

It was a really great episode by all the actors. Very riveting.

the last three episodes have all been 9s for me. Iv been blown away. There were a couple of slightly dull moments but i thought it was almost perfect! i really loved it! Except i really wanted danielle to talk to Alex but at least she saw her AND i LOVED Sayid saying "You look like your mother" and alex getting suspicious. i have to say the one thing iv been waiting for since season one besides charlie and claire relationship is them meeting :)

It gave me chest pains...a totaly nail biting, perfect 10..the best ever!:eek2:

I am new here, but I have to put in my 2 cents...I love this episode and definately have to give it a ten. Beautifully intense and excellent ending. I like not having to wait until next week to know what's in that room. Although, I still can't wait until the next episode anyway...:75happy:

10/10

I thought it was brilliantly executed...and Ben's mind games and word play is hillarious, he is a subtle smart arse, magic box...lmao, wonder what that means? Terry O'Quinn's performance was amazing and Drew Goddard is quickly becoming one of my favorite television writers ever!

I rated it a 6. It was a decent episode, but I was annoyed at Locke's selfish actions and that affected the emotional impact of the flashbacks for me... seeing how Locke became paralyzed didn't really make much of an impact. I'm also tired of seeing Ben get the upper hand. This episode was a little disappointing after "Enter 77" and "Par Avion"... I really liked those episodes and thought the show was on a roll with the search for the Others' settlement. I guess I was a little let down once they got there.

I really, really liked it, and gave it a 9 - but then again I've felt like this about pretty much every episode after the hiatus - if anything, I thought the music could've been more effective, but that may be just me.

Very little scenes with Sayid & Danielle, but the ones that are there, are great. "You look like your mother!" Awesome!

Liked the Kate and Jack scenes too, was nice to see Jack playing the piano - seemed like a perfect substitute for using the score they'd usually use.

The flashback was pretty much ok for me (at least nothing like the horrible commune flashback in episode 3 this season) but it didn't really grow on me till Locke got pushed out of the window, and the last scenes with the doctor are great, and give a good idea of how Locke eventually adapted the "don't tell me what I can't do" ideology.
I can't say I understand those who were expecting something more from this - personally I loved the original reveal that Locke was in the wheelchair, but never thought that the way he'd got there was going to be anything special. The writers put it wonderfully in context with his father issues and Ben's current situation, for all I care.

The best parts of the episode for me though were the Ben and Locke scenes - excellent dialog! The box seems like an interesting new addition to the mythology - and the cliffhanger awesome, though I somewhat suspected that Cooper was in the room, when Ben told "I'm going to show you what came out of it" or something like that.

On an unrelated note - I love Nestor Carbonell, so it was great to see Dr. Alpert back too :biggrin:

I'll give it a 9, just cause. I "lost" my way after the desmond episode, almost stopped watching, but the past few have been awesome. I'm addicted, again.

why do I get the feeling this episode is further evidence that the creators/writers backed themselves into a corner with all these questions and mysteries and are now attempting to get themselves out of the mess?



A magic box that can give you things you dream of and need would seem like a great idea to explain 99% of the island after 10 hours in a writers room...


*sigh*

I'm reserving judgement in the hopes (ever shrinking) there won't be 'magical' answers to this show, rather reasonable ones. For now, this gets a 5, with the potential to go up higher.


Also you make a fan wait over 2 years to find out how John Locke got into a wheel chair and the payoff will never be good enough. His dad pushing him out of a building was very cool. But 'magic island' being able to help him walk again really isn't....oh well, let's wait and see.

***MOD EDIT for baiting***

I for one gave the show a ten because it gave clear evidence, not just in revealing how Locke got paralyzed but also with a wink toward "The Third Policeman" with the box, that the creators knew where they were going from day one. Unlike X-Files, Twin Peak, or Millenium, this show will have the best series finale EVER.

I'm a newbe here but I have to give this a 9.:)

I gave it a 10. Definitely amazing in my book.

10/10, no doubt :)

Gave it a ten. On the edge of my seat the whole way! I have waited for a really good episode like this since "Flashes Before Your Eyes" (I know it wasn't that long ago).

I had mixed feelings about this episode, so I gave it a 5. The scenes between Locke and Ben were riveting. Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn are masterful at creating a fascinating tension between these two characters. I hope we see a lot more interaction between them. I absolutely loved Sayid's remarks to Alex about how she resembles her mother, and Rousseau finally being able to see her daughter for the first time was every bit as moving as I would have expected. Locke's flashbacks were intriguing, and we got an extra glimpse at the diabolical ruthlessness of Cooper. I am dying to see how Cooper's presence on the island will affect both Locke's and Sawyer's stories. Wow!

The scenes between Jack and Kate, OTOH, were squicky and distasteful. I have no doubt that it's completely unintentional on the writers' parts, but they just keep adding to the inventory of classic textbook "behaviors of abusive men" in the dynamic between these two characters. (Exacerbated by what we know of Jack's history of stalking and violence in connection with two women in his past.) There have been so many scenes in which Jack talked down to Kate, or outright berated her when she didn't conform to what he wanted, or issued orders without consulation or discussion, or when he was cold and disapproving, even withholding communication when she was literally pleading with him for forgiveness in THP. In this episode, he added yet another abuser's behavior when he shifted responsibility for HIS choices to HER, i.e. when Kate asked why he trusted these Others and he replied "Because YOU told me to when you asked me to save Sawyer." Say what? My head just about did an Exorcist-style 360 when he said that!

As I recall, Kate told him they were threatening to kill Sawyer and Jack asked her if she believed them. She said she had to, implying the possible risks of calling their bluff on that were unacceptable. Even setting aside the brutality she had witnessed at the camp, she had good reason to believe these people would carry out their threat to kill Sawyer since they're the same people who brutalized and killed Scott, hung Charlie, kidnapped Claire, blew up the raft and kidnapped Walt, and repeatedly attacked the Tailes, kidnapping several people from their group. Considering that Jack, himself, was fully aware of these facts and had, in addition, actually heard Sawyer screaming in the next room earlier himself, why wouldn't that be sufficient for him to take their threat to kill Sawyer seriously? Add to that the fact that he had led their group into what he knew was a trap designed by Michael, and that the lame back-up plan that Kate and Sawyer did NOT get to have any input into had failed and led to their capture in the first place, wouldn't some sense of responsibility toward them have also served to influence him toward trying to save Sawyer's life? IMO, that should have been more than enough to appeal to the conscience of any decent human being. Apparently not enough for Jack, however, since in his mind it was all about a personal favor to Kate, which he has subsequently extrapolated to rationalize his deal to get safe passage back to civilization for himself and Juliet! That's a hell of a stretch IMO, but he didn't even miss a beat in shifting responsibility for all of that to Kate. And Kate, in her usual subservient role to Jack, immediately accepted his skewed logic and took the responsibility on her own shoulders. The fact that she was kneeling at his feet when she did so only served to make their conversation that bit more nauseating.

Disclaimer: Before somebody jumps on me with accusations of bias because I happen to enjoy the Sawyer/Kate romantic dynamic, let me say that I would view the Kate/Jack relationship, as it has been portrayed until now, EXACTLY the same way if there had never even been a Sawyer on the show. My bias, if one wants to call it that, stems from eight years of crisis intervention during which I was in and out of a dozen shelters for battered women providing back-up and training for their staffs. However inadvertently it's been introduced, the power imbalance in the Jack/Kate dynamic unfailingly manages to raise my professional hackles. And I would invite anyone who thinks I'm making any of this up to do some elementary research on the subject - info on this kind of dynamic isn't hard to find.
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I had mixed feelings about this episode, so I gave it a 5. The scenes between Locke and Ben were riveting. Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn are masterful at creating a fascinating tension between these two characters. I hope we see a lot more interaction between them. I absolutely loved Sayid's remarks to Alex about how she resembles her mother, and Rousseau finally being able to see her daughter for the first time was every bit as moving as I would have expected. Locke's flashbacks were fascinating, and we got an extra glimpse at the diabolical ruthlessness of Cooper. I am dying to see how Cooper's presence on the island will affect both Locke's and Sawyer's stories. Wow!

The scenes between Jack and Kate, OTOH, were squicky and distasteful. I have no doubt that it's completely unintentional on the writers' parts, but they just keep adding to the inventory of classic textbook "behaviors of abusive men" in the dynamic between these two characters. (Exacerbated by what we know of Jack's history of stalking and violence in connection with two women in his past.) There have been so many scenes in which Jack talked down to Kate, or outright berated her when she didn't conform to what he wanted, or issued orders without consulation or discussion, or when he was cold and disapproving, even withholding communication when she was literally pleading with him for forgiveness in THP. In this episode, he added yet another abuser's behavior when he shifted responsibility for HIS choices to HER, i.e. when Kate asked why he trusted these Others and he replied "Because YOU told me to when you asked me to save Sawyer." Say what? My head just about did an Exorcist-style 360 when he said that!

As I recall, Kate told him they were threatening to kill Sawyer and Jack asked her if she believed them. She said she had to, implying the possible risks of calling their bluff on that were unacceptable. Even setting aside the brutality she had witnessed at the camp, she had good reason to believe these people would carry out their threat to kill Sawyer since they're the same people who killed brutalized and killed Scott, hung Charlie, kidnapped Claire, blew up the raft and kidnapped Walt, and repeatedly attacked the Tailes, kidnapping several people from their group. Considering that Jack, himself, was fully aware of these facts and had, in addition, actually heard Sawyer screaming in the next room earlier himself, why wouldn't that be sufficient for him to take their threat to kill Sawyer seriously? Add to that the fact that he knowingly led their group into what he knew was a trap designed by Michael, and that the lame back-up plan that Kate and Sawyer did NOT get to have any input into had failed and led to their capture in the first place, wouldn't some sense of responsibility toward them have also served to influence him toward trying to save Sawyer's life? IMO, that should have been more than enough to appeal to the conscience of any decent human being. Apparently not enough for Jack, however, since in his mind it was all about a personal favor to Kate, which he has subsequently extrapolated to rationalize his deal to get safe passage back to civilization for himself and Juliet! That's a hell of a stretch IMO, but he didn't even miss a beat in shifting responsibility for all of that to Kate. And Kate, in her usual subservient role to Jack, immediately accepted his skewed logic and took the responsibility on her own shoulders. The fact that she was kneeling at his feet when she did so only served to make their conversation that bit more nauseating.

Disclaimer: Before somebody jumps on me with accusations of bias because I happen to enjoy the Sawyer/Kate romantic dynamic, let me say that I would view the Kate/Jack relationship, as it has been portrayed until now, EXACTLY the same way if there had never even been a Sawyer on the show. My bias, if one wants to call it that, stems from eight years of crisis intervention during which I was in and out of a dozen shelters for battered women providing back-up and training for their staffs. However inadvertently it's been introduced, the emotional power imbalance in the Jack/Kate dynamic, and the way Jack uses that, unfailingly manages to raise my professional hackles.
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OMG Dez that was so totally accurate in every possible way!:) Brilliant Post!!

I had the same "WTF you have got to be kidding me,he didn't just blame her for HIS own decision did he" look that you did! :rolleyes:
The man is ridiculous & has become even more so with these last scene's IMO!

I may prefer Sawyer as well BUT even without him I would not be enjoying the way Kate seems to become LESS OF HERSELF when she is around Jack & all this hero worship is laughable,my god she is kneeling before him & when he says "they are letting me go home" instead of getting mad or outraged she says "when":eek2:
When, WTF is that about, oh wait it's Kate's brain falling onto the floor the minute she is near Jack again!:rolleyes:
So many have said how they would never pick Sawyer over Jack because Jack is the "good guy" OK wow just let me say that I will take Sawyer ANY DAY OVER JACK because as has already been witnessed by everyone who watches this show, when Kate's life is at risk or her spirits are beaten down, Sawyer brings her hope by not telling her there are 2 islands so she will not see the situatuion as hopeless & when he has the choice he would WILLINGLY get on his knees & take a bullet to the head for her rather than them hurt her & Jack on the other hand will stand there saying "don't hurt her" quite unconvicingly I must say & then will blame her for his actions & turn around & walk away leaving her in an unknown sitaution with people who have beaten & killed before!:rolleyes:
WOW I can so see why Jack is the "hero" of this show!
GIVE ME A SAWYER ANYDAY! :p

I´m with you Blondee and Dezmonsa.
jack and kate just don´t have IT. So when it comes to this episode, I gave it 7, only because the jack & kate scene lasted too long and was painfully dull to watch.
Only one referance to jack - Sawyer since this is about the episode TMFT, but I have to say this. Sawyer would NEVER leave kate behind like Jack just was about to do, and would have done it, if it wasn´t for Locke. (I almost wish Locke didn´t blow the sub but I love Jack & Juliet´s chemistry so I´ll forgive Locke ;) )

Anyway, overall the episode was awesome with the action and answers + more questions ofcourse ;) I don´t think I´ve ever before had the same feeling as I did when I watched TMFT - Ben and Lockes interaction was something AMAZING!! They act so well, the characters are so great, and even thou Ben is manipulative piece of ***** ;) he actually seems to appreciate Locke over other losties.
They made funny sarcastic lines towards eachother even thou they were talking about serious matters. I loved those two!!

Another thing I liked about was Sayid / Alex / Danielle. I love that they are FINALLY showing us Danielle & Alex relations, and it was touching, and I totally understand Danielle staying in the bushes. It was realistically made. Thank you. Loved Sayids comment about Alex´s mother to her.

And the ending, Cooper on the island!! WTF! :D That was really something and I can´t wait to see how this goes on from here.
So only thin I didn´t like was bastardo Jack being jackass again, yelling screaming and my god kate came over the island for his rescue and he doesn´t even give his friend a hug or thank you. Maybe he was just pissed coz Kate didn´t do what HE wanted her to do. You know, commander jack and his word is the law..

Wel anyway, great episode! Thank you!

A solid 9! 10s are reserved for Season 1 episodes and season finales. But this was easily the best episode of the season. Whatever changes TPTB made after the somewhat out-of-character and tired mini-arc are working - things are picking up steam. Looks like we're in for one heck of an ending.

The Locke/Ben interaction was perfect. I'm amazed when writers/director/actors can take what is essentially a conversation and make it play like a full on action sequence. And the big twist/mystery left my jaw on the floor. Or should I say twists. Locke in blow-up-everything-and-prevent-anyone-from-escaping mode is so much fun and Cooper (the real Sawyer?) opens up a whole new can of worms. What's this about 5 weeks without Locke and Cooper? That can't be right!

Alex continues to intrigue me. Finally Sayid lets her in on the truth and Danielle gets to see her daughter. And I just adore the no-nonsense attitude she has. I hope they let her go back to the beach and join the Losties.

The Kate/Jack interaction was superb. Once again, the writers, director and actors nailed it! I'm glad to see that almost everyone, including most Skaters, are able to put their shipper bias aside and realize how intense and deep the Kate/Jack scenes were. It's also good to see that Jack was thinking and doing and making an effort to save Kate and the rest of the Losties. Even Locke gave props to Jack. It sure beats sitting around waiting to die like poor Sawyer.

And the Kate jealousy over Jack and Juliet was great. Evangeline Lilly has a million facial expressions and they are always dead on. Even Sayid noticed it.

A solid 9! 10s are reserved for Season 1 episodes and season finales. But this was easily the best episode of the season. Whatever changes TPTB made after the somewhat out-of-character and tired mini-arc are working - things are picking up steam. Looks like we're in for one heck of an ending.

The Locke/Ben interaction was perfect. I'm amazed when writers/director/actors can take what is essentially a conversation and make it play like a full on action sequence. And the big twist/mystery left my jaw on the floor. Or should I say twists. Locke in blow-up-everything-and-prevent-anyone-from-escaping mode is so much fun and Cooper (the real Sawyer?) opens up a whole new can of worms. What's this about 5 weeks without Locke and Cooper? That can't be right!

Alex continues to intrigue me. Finally Sayid lets her in on the truth and Danielle gets to see her daughter. And I just adore the no-nonsense attitude she has. I hope they let her go back to the beach and join the Losties.

The Kate/Jack interaction was superb. Once again, the writers, director and actors nailed it! I'm glad to see that almost everyone, including most Skaters, are able to put their shipper bias aside and realize how intense and deep the Kate/Jack scenes were. It's also good to see that Jack was thinking and doing and making an effort to save Kate and the rest of the Losties. Even Locke gave props to Jack. It sure beats sitting around waiting to die like poor Sawyer.

And the Kate jealousy over Jack and Juliet was great. Evangeline Lilly has a million facial expressions and they are always dead on. Even Sayid noticed it.


Once again I have to say WTF!:rolleyes:

So now every time Kate looks at Juliet around Jack she is jealous please give it a rest already!
Also Locke gave props to Jack BEFORE it was shown that Jack was ONLY there so he could take the deal to get the hell off craphole island!:rolleyes:

OK the part about Jack thinking & making an effort to "save Kate & the losties" is insane IMO did anyone watch the damn ep for god sake he left Kate & Sayid there WITHOUT even letting them know he had asked Ben to let them go & since we know that Ben was NEVER going to keep his deal with Jack I guess we can assume that he would not have just let Kate & Sayid skip out of otherville but Jack seemed really quite content to just quickly believe him, amazing really!
How the hell does Jack know he will even be able to find his way back to the island it's ridiculous!

Also please lay off Sawyer because lets REMEMBER who the guy was that was on his knees willingly going to take a bullet to the head for Kate!:mad:
Oh yeah that would be SAWYER.............while Jack was willingly going to take the first sub out of otherville!


Oh yeah I just want to say I love Ben alot & how telling was it that EVEN he noticed what Jack was doing by saying............"I'll let your friends go, they were only here to rescue you Jack & you seem to be doing a good enough job rescuing YOURSELF!" Ha loved that!

The scenes between Jack and Kate....

Dez, I'd be interested in hearing what Gregg Nations had to say about this. Your analysis certainly has the ring of truth about it. Would you mind posting it to his forum?

****ATTENTION SHIPPERS***

STOP SAILING YOUR SHIPS IN THIS THREAD..

Contant RPs about shippers hijacking threads with the same old MO is getting very tiresome.

Set sail in the appropriate threads...not here.

Finally Ben and Locke had some good lines this week! I've missed Ben having any lines this spring. This episode made me happy! :biggrin:

10
I loved everything: the mistery, the action, the romance between Jack and Kate and the amazing end!

as always, the John eppys are the best.

I thought it was interesting and the ending made me gasp.

It was an Excellent episode! After that 3.06 , it is my favourite.
I love it :biggrin:

I rated this episode an 8, but I could have given it an 8.5.

Dezdemona,
I thought that was a very well-written post. I agree with you completely. Locke and Ben had some very good dialogue between the two. I like how Locke was taking the offensive and putting Ben in his place, ie, Ben and Others "cheating" with electricity and contact with the outside world. But I knew that the writers had to give Ben the edge and manipulate Locke as well. I am just tired of little Ben always getting the upper hand, and I hope that eventually he pays for all of his manipulation.

I did not really feel much for the Jack and Kate reunion. Jack's antagonistic and stubborn/full of himself attitude just wears thin. At times I can like Jack, when he acts decent, but many other times his arrogance just turns me off.

I think the magic box could be just a metaphor, and that it is really Cooper tied up, but if it isn't Cooper, but something else, that would be amazing. But I doubt that the writers will introduce such a supernatural element during this time- they may wait until the last season of the show for something like that.

The only other problem I have is with Locke's sudden selfishness, which seems out of character. The beginning of the 3rd season he has his Boone vision and feels he is on the right path once more. He invites anyone to come with him to look for Ecko, and makes a point to tell Hurley that he is inviting everyone because he is not Jack, meaning Jack just went off and did his own thing without consulting the group.

So you have Locke at that point including everyone, and now all of a sudden, he decides, "Hey, I suddenly am fearful that this sub will someday take me off the island, or that my dad will somehow find a way to get to the island and finish the job, etc" The blowing up of the sub just did not make sense. But I have to admit,.regardless of those inconsistencies, the dialogue between Locke and Ben were tense and very well done. Ben just irritates me, though ;-)

The last 3 episodes have been much better, and I am very excited for next week...




I had mixed feelings about this episode, so I gave it a 5. The scenes between Locke and Ben were riveting. Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn are masterful at creating a fascinating tension between these two characters. I hope we see a lot more interaction between them. I absolutely loved Sayid's remarks to Alex about how she resembles her mother, and Rousseau finally being able to see her daughter for the first time was every bit as moving as I would have expected. Locke's flashbacks were intriguing, and we got an extra glimpse at the diabolical ruthlessness of Cooper. I am dying to see how Cooper's presence on the island will affect both Locke's and Sawyer's stories. Wow!

The scenes between Jack and Kate, OTOH, were squicky and distasteful. I have no doubt that it's completely unintentional on the writers' parts, but they just keep adding to the inventory of classic textbook "behaviors of abusive men" in the dynamic between these two characters. (Exacerbated by what we know of Jack's history of stalking and violence in connection with two women in his past.) There have been so many scenes in which Jack talked down to Kate, or outright berated her when she didn't conform to what he wanted, or issued orders without consulation or discussion, or when he was cold and disapproving, even withholding communication when she was literally pleading with him for forgiveness in THP. In this episode, he added yet another abuser's behavior when he shifted responsibility for HIS choices to HER, i.e. when Kate asked why he trusted these Others and he replied "Because YOU told me to when you asked me to save Sawyer." Say what? My head just about did an Exorcist-style 360 when he said that!

As I recall, Kate told him they were threatening to kill Sawyer and Jack asked her if she believed them. She said she had to, implying the possible risks of calling their bluff on that were unacceptable. Even setting aside the brutality she had witnessed at the camp, she had good reason to believe these people would carry out their threat to kill Sawyer since they're the same people who brutalized and killed Scott, hung Charlie, kidnapped Claire, blew up the raft and kidnapped Walt, and repeatedly attacked the Tailes, kidnapping several people from their group. Considering that Jack, himself, was fully aware of these facts and had, in addition, actually heard Sawyer screaming in the next room earlier himself, why wouldn't that be sufficient for him to take their threat to kill Sawyer seriously? Add to that the fact that he had led their group into what he knew was a trap designed by Michael, and that the lame back-up plan that Kate and Sawyer did NOT get to have any input into had failed and led to their capture in the first place, wouldn't some sense of responsibility toward them have also served to influence him toward trying to save Sawyer's life? IMO, that should have been more than enough to appeal to the conscience of any decent human being. Apparently not enough for Jack, however, since in his mind it was all about a personal favor to Kate, which he has subsequently extrapolated to rationalize his deal to get safe passage back to civilization for himself and Juliet! That's a hell of a stretch IMO, but he didn't even miss a beat in shifting responsibility for all of that to Kate. And Kate, in her usual subservient role to Jack, immediately accepted his skewed logic and took the responsibility on her own shoulders. The fact that she was kneeling at his feet when she did so only served to make their conversation that bit more nauseating.

Disclaimer: Before somebody jumps on me with accusations of bias because I happen to enjoy the Sawyer/Kate romantic dynamic, let me say that I would view the Kate/Jack relationship, as it has been portrayed until now, EXACTLY the same way if there had never even been a Sawyer on the show. My bias, if one wants to call it that, stems from eight years of crisis intervention during which I was in and out of a dozen shelters for battered women providing back-up and training for their staffs. However inadvertently it's been introduced, the power imbalance in the Jack/Kate dynamic unfailingly manages to raise my professional hackles. And I would invite anyone who thinks I'm making any of this up to do some elementary research on the subject - info on this kind of dynamic isn't hard to find.
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I rated 9/10. I've been very impressed by Terry O'Quinn's acting, he just doesn't play John Locke, he becomes one with his character. I believe very few actors are able to do that.

As for the episode: there were some developments, some more predictable than others, but the eppy was fast-paced and packed with action. We now finally know how Locke ended up in that wheelchair, but I think there's still a lot to be revealed about his character so we do not need to worry about not getting any more surprises with regards to his character in future.

This was also one of these episodes that kept me longing for more, and more and more... Can't wait for the next.

was not the expected. i expected more

I've watched it six times so far, and unlike a lot of episodes, there's not a lot I'm skipping on repeated viewing. The Ben & John scenes alone make this a classic in my book.

I've watched it six times so far, and unlike a lot of episodes, there's not a lot I'm skipping on repeated viewing. The Ben & John scenes alone make this a classic in my book.

This is the first episode I've rewatched during the week since season two!

I rated this episode a 10 all the way.

The dialogue was incredible, the action and suspense was perfect and then the Jack & Kate scenes were so intimate and thoughtful and brought a beautiful balance to the episode.

Loved the interaction between Locke/Ben and I really felt like I was watching classic "Lost" at its best. Locke episodes are usually good though.

Sayid's little conversation with Alex was great and I'm glad he said what he did. Then again, Danielle seeing Alex was even better.

Great Episode.

Brilliant episode; brings in new information bit by bit, gets us new info that we've been dying for, introduces new areas and buildings, develops the plot, shows us what certain characters have on their mind which wasn't clear before; opens up new developments in the next episodes (how will Jack react to John, what will the Others do with KJSJ now, what the hell with John's Dad etc). The only thing I have a grumble about is where is the submarine in relation to the Other's camp and the Sonic Ring fence? If it's inside the ring, then that seems strange. If it's outside the ring, then how did John and Alex get through / over the ring so quickly? Other than that, kickazz, and a great flashback, worthwhile!

10 Fantastic watched it twice already.:biggrin:

Hmm, didn't like it that much.

good episode. Lost just gets better and better

An all around great episode. Locke and the sub. Jack's glare when it blows up. Seeing Cooper bound and gagged. Revelation about Locke's paralysis. A Jack/Kate scene. And I love any episode that features Ben.

93/100. I know, very specific.:)

If only they could keep up every week... ah, one can only hope. I wouldn't hand out 10s this season just on principle, but this one comes close.

ehh, fair enough episode, not as good as enter 77, but neither as bad as i do

One of the best episodes this season ;)

Very good episode. and I wasnt disapointed with how Locke got paralised. Shocking.

A very good eppy, though the fact that Locke blew up the submarine worries me. Loved the dynamic between him and Ben, but also the dynamics between Jack and Kate. Also: woah! Danille has seen Alex! Now I'm wondering what's going to happen between Ben, the others and the captive Losties.

Good episode!
The whole part with the submarine was brilliant. And i loved how Locke told Ben off about the magic box. Plus, wow, Locke got pushed out a window by Cooper. I always thought that when Hurley was in his accountants office the body falling past the window was Locke.

It has to be a 10 for me.

1) Seeing Cooper in the box set off so many new ideas about the show/island as I was watching.

2) The exchanges between Ben and Locke continued to be nothing short of brilliant.

3) The pacing of the revelation of answers and posing of new questions was well balanced by the writers, as was the case with much of season 3 (in real contrast, imho, with season 2).

Peace
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Actually, as Ben stated, the magic box is really just a metaphor.

I appreciate that, but Ben didn't say that to Locke until 'The Brig', and even then it was when Ben snapped out of frustration with Locke. When Cooper was revealed in TMFT it conjured all sorts of ideas up, including some that ended up playing out in later episodes - learning how Locke lost the ability to walk, and finally being able to rid himself of Cooper (albeit through Sawyer's proxy).

Definitely one of the best 9/10

I loved how Locke was watching Expose right before the ep "Expose" was aired. That was great-- something I didn't get until watching the episode two more times.