Karri
03-28-2007, 03:00 PM
What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)
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View Full Version : Rate the Episode!!! Karri 03-28-2007, 03:00 PM What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :) cylune 03-28-2007, 10:30 PM I voted 6. It was an ok episode and I was entertained by it. It was a filler and I have nothing against fillers. Some of my favorite x-files episodes were fillers. However, I can't feel disappointed that with a cast so huge, they would find time to spend an entire episode on two red shirts. They're so many regular characters that are getting so little screentime... give one of them the 'filler' episode. :frown: I would have cared more. I was spoiled by the preview about Nikki being buried alive so that wasn't a big shock... and I didn't care much because I wasn't really invested in neither Nikki or Paulo. Nice to see Boone and Shannon again... I missed them. Nice of Charlie to confess to Sun and I cheered when she slapped Sawyer. I won't miss Nikki and Paulo. That plane was really filled with murderers. Save The Humans 03-29-2007, 12:03 AM Gotta admit--this eppy was better than I expected, despite Pikki's dominance in it. So I gave it a 7. I can see repercussions galore in James' future, though. . . . Kell 03-29-2007, 12:05 AM Gave it a 10. Amazing. Dolphincrc 03-29-2007, 12:05 AM Very Good episode, ala Edgar Allan Poe Betsy 03-29-2007, 12:07 AM I really liked it -creepy, but Pikki got what they deserved. I thought it was pretty cool how Pikki saw the plane, the hatch.......everything first. Interesting that Sun really blames Sawyer - she understands Charlie, but she's really furious with Sawyer. I like that guy, but he deserved (to say the least) a good slap. I guess Pikki are iconic because they were buried alive - a pretty gruesome ending in a series that likes gruesome endings. I'm probably in the minority that liked this eppy, but oh well, lol. I like almost every eppy. Melikon 03-29-2007, 12:09 AM Heck of a lot of fun to watch. Reminded me of the second Back to the Future movie for some reason. GettinLost 03-29-2007, 12:14 AM I gavve it an 8! Thought it was a great "Sting" epi!! Lots of confessions, secrets outed, and consequences!! And even thought I am a "rabid" Sawyer Fan :biggrin: I was glad Sun slapped him. He's been naughty in the past and needed a good smack! Personally, I would have put him over my knee and spanked him OH SO GOOD! But that's just me... :naughty: xero 03-29-2007, 12:15 AM 8. Liked the way the episode opened. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I missed Shanon's whining (and that comment about Boon flirting with men LOL). Island stuff was neatly incorporated. However, why did Sun not slap Charlie when he was the one who actually tied her up and dragged her like a rag doll? Pick on Sawyer everyone:rolleyes: Hanover 03-29-2007, 12:18 AM I gave it an 8...it was very Rozencrantz & Guildenstern (seeing things from the perspective of two incidental characters) meets Alfred Hitchcock (especially with the way it ended). A better filler than most....and the fans ultimately got what they wanted. :) Joshypoo 03-29-2007, 12:19 AM I gave it a 7 - not great, but interesting. What bugs me a little about it is that once again, the story hasn't really advanced. Was it necessary for the Nikki/Paulo flashback - probably not? Yea, it was nice seeing Shannon, Boone and Artz again - and that alone gives it a 7. palomino_grl78 03-29-2007, 12:20 AM I 5'ed it. It was just alright for me. Paolo was hot so that bumped up my rating a bit. :biggrin: I did like seeing Shannon and Boone again. But this episode just seemed a bit filler and a way to end our curiosities before giving "Pikki" the boot. jasoncountdown 03-29-2007, 12:20 AM 7. It was pretty good, but I was expecting a big reveal that never came. Still a few descent laughs, a couple of side questions answered (why did the Others kidnap J/K/S? what was the point of that lame Paulo bathroom bit?) and a fitting ending for the two most despised characters in Lost history. Plus ****ing LANDO.Pretty good overall. The biggest negative I have for it is that it slammed the brakes on all that momentum Lost had been building over the past 3 weeks. It was kind of like getting "Whatever the Case May Be" after the awesome trilogy of Solitary/Raised by Another/ATBCHDI back in season one (complete with return to the waterfall). Maybe not as bad, but you get the idea. kpdjp 03-29-2007, 12:24 AM I thought this was one of the most badass episodes of Lost in a long time! The ending is definitely up there in shock value, and I really think it was worth the introduction of Nikki and Paolo. jeffro40299 03-29-2007, 12:26 AM i gave it a 7. the only problem i saw was a continuity issue. when they found the pearl station, they uncovered the hatch, and it didn't show them cover it back up, so how come boone and locke didn't see it? i suppose one could argue that they were so focused on the plane in the trees they never looked down. i w2as suprised to see maggie grace make an appearance. i remember reading that she was killed off due to a salary dispute, and that she would not show up in any flashbacks. i guess things don't really die on the island too...lol ***MOD EDIT...Baiting*** johnnywishbone 03-29-2007, 12:28 AM It was slightly entertaining. A pretty cool way to play the flashbacks and bring all the older characters back again. But we just didn't get any real useful information....i was kinda expecting some good answers, other than simply who Paulo and Nikki were. As fillers go, I preferred Tricia Tanaka is Dead....much funnier :biggrin: I'll prolly give it a 6....maybe a 5 i need a little time to let it sink in :) jellyfrog 03-29-2007, 12:32 AM I gave it a 6. I liked it, it was fun. Since it was about characters that no one feels any particular attachment to, I assumed they would be used to further the stories of other characters, but that didn't really happen. Except for the truth coming about Sun's kidnapping -- it was nice to see that it wasn't forgotten! I expected it to be a bigger deal though... Maybe it will be later. Dany_E 03-29-2007, 12:33 AM it was very Rozencrantz & Guildenstern (seeing things from the perspective of two incidental characters) meets Alfred Hitchcock (especially with the way it ended) What an absolutely perfect description! I gave it an 8 too. Sure it was filler and sure it wasn't as "iconic" as we might have hoped but it was at least as good as a pretty good "Twilight Zone" episode. And, I'm not sure why but it was really cool to see all the survivors in supporting parts. wedestroymyths 03-29-2007, 12:33 AM eh...it was okay. kind of fun at times. it had a nice campy, adventure feel to it and I laughed several times (both with and at the show)... and while i tend to be forgiving of episodes that don't directly move the main arcs along as long as I'm entertained, this was very poorly timed...there was some heavy stuff going on last week and her come Nikki & Paulo (aka Island Gump)... i don't know...not a bad episode per se...but not where the show needed to be... SenatorKent 03-29-2007, 12:34 AM LOVED seeing boone and shannon :) ZoeWashburne 03-29-2007, 12:34 AM I gave it an 8! It was definitely a filler episode, but it was a lot of fun, we got to see old favorites like Shannon, and it had a creepy ending. And I'm glad that Sun smacked Sawyer. This show is about redemption and I think Sawyer needs to step it up a bit in that regard, but I think this revelation with force him too. Plus, Billy Dee... Gotta love Mr. Colt 45 himself :lando: (and there's even a smilie of him!) lostnthesoutheast 03-29-2007, 12:34 AM Cheesy, cheesy, cheesy. I gave it a 4. I am a huge Lost fan and I usually love something about every episode, but not this time. The whole thing felt so contrived! It was nothing more than a clip show with a weak, red shirt plot as an overlay. We are really supposed to believe that Pikki found the Pearl station and decided not to tell anyone about anything about it? And worse still is that Paulo knew about the Other's plan to use Micheal (and the fact that they had Micheal in the first place) to kidnap Jack, Kate, and Sawyer and yet he told no one? It's just too big of a stretch. Worse than the magic box idea. Even Smokey seems more plausible. On top of all of that, last week's preview already gave away anything remotely redeemable about this episode. And even most of those revelations just seemed a little too easy for my taste. It's sort of ironic though, how they had two of the show's best loved characters ( Hurley and Sawyer) be the ones to accidently murder the show's two most hated characters. At least the writers still have their sense of humor. But all in all I would have much preferred another Sawyer or Hurley centric episode then to have to have wasted an entire episode on stupid, shallow Pikki just so the losties could end up with a walkie talkie belonging to the Others. Surely there could have been a better way to manage that. Bahamut_King 03-29-2007, 12:34 AM I liked this episode, it's one of the best this season so far. About it not advancing the story though, I'm fine with that. Besides, it's not the only episode to not advance the story. I'd rather watch a filler episode like this than watch Charlie talk about being on drugs for the umpteenth time, or Kate cry about not being able to stay in one place, or Sawyer say he's conman, or Jack throw a hissy fit about being a good but reluctant leader, or Locke be all mysterious and pretentious. It was a good change of pace, at least. Sun did find out the real culprit of her kidnapping, and that's a definet plus for the show. ikonn 03-29-2007, 12:36 AM wow. this is how you do an episode. very season 1 feel to it with the characters sort of feeling each other out and revelations along the way followed by a big wtf at the end. great use of special effects, going back and inserting paulo and nikki back into the crash and revisiting artz, ethan, boone, shannon was a cool little treat. nice meta reference at the start with nikki's expose character dying. great story. and the ending may just be the creepiest lost ending ever? i know i was yelling at my tv! despite not having some of the best characters (jack, locke, ben) I still give this an easy 10. best of the season, top 5 best ever probably. this is the reason i got hooked on the show, nothing else like it on tv. sickotriz 03-29-2007, 12:37 AM I gave it a solid 8. Lots of cool moments for the longtime fans, and we fill in some blanks and got some secrets out in the open. Lots of cool nods to theories and other sayings that fans have had! And to top it all off, we have what we have been asking for all season... the death of Nikki and Paulo! A particularly distubing one also! Had me on the edge of my seat there at the end, I thought they were going to wake up and not die. I guess I'm kind of sick... Great things from this episode: 1) Billy Dee Williams! 2) Boone, Shannon, and DOCTOR FREAKIN ARZT!!!! 3) We see why the hell Paulo had that idiotic awkward scene with the bathroom, and we see Ben and Juliet scheming. I loved that scene in the Pearl station. 4) More in-jokes than you can shake a stick at! "You're next" "No, he meant ALL of you, as in everyone!" :biggrin: 5) Charlie coming clean about what he did to Sun. 6) Over the top disrespect for Nikki and Paulo (I loved when vincent stole their blanket!). LostMyMarbles 03-29-2007, 12:38 AM I gave it an 8...it was very Rozencrantz & Guildenstern (seeing things from the perspective of two incidental characters) meets Alfred Hitchcock (especially with the way it ended). A better filler than most....and the fans ultimately got what they wanted. :) I love it--"Rosencrantz & Guildenstern meet Alfred Hitchcock" is exactly it! What an unusual episode! ozieozwall 03-29-2007, 12:41 AM Gave it an 8. Paulo seemed to find things that took Locke days to find. The inclusion of seening Ben figuring a way to get the Doc to remove his growth way before it happened was cool. Great us being in the know about the spider and the paralizing effect then the ending with Nikki's eyes opening just as the sand covered up her face. Groaning to know your alive then only to get burried alive... Creepy EP!!! Curious if Sawyer kept a diamond or two? Jonesy 03-29-2007, 12:41 AM I hated it. The ending...what a horrible thing to do. :frown: nonnyd 03-29-2007, 12:43 AM I loved it; especially how the writers *did* find a way to get me rooting for Pikki to stay alive. I thought that could never happen, but I really disliked the thought of them buried alive. lostnthesoutheast 03-29-2007, 12:46 AM (I loved when vincent stole their blanket!). I think Vincent was the only one who understood that they were still with the living. He was trying to be helpful, I think, by giving them some air. Maybe they will still get lucky and Vincent will dig up their grave. 100% As fillers go, I preferred Tricia Tanaka is Dead....much funnier :biggrin: I totally agree with this statement!!! TTID was much more enjoyable because it not only had an upbeat, heart warming ending, but it also focused on a character that everybody loves. LostLaura 03-29-2007, 01:01 AM So disappointed. Gave it the lowest rating possible. You can read my hate comments in the Didn't Love It thread, cause I can't bother to repeat it all here. heh. lostinSLC 03-29-2007, 01:16 AM I don't know... I thought that I would hate it but I actually liked it. I wouldn't say LOVED it but thought it was decent. I agree that it was alot like season 1. And it was good to see Shannon, Boone, Artz all back again. I was entertained. Save The Humans 03-29-2007, 01:18 AM Nikki sure knew how to press Arzt's buttons to get what she wanted, didn't she? :D briar910 03-29-2007, 01:22 AM I gave it an 8. I actually found it very entertaining and I wasn't too spoiled, so there were lots of things that surprised me, which is a good thing. :) I loved seeing past characters, Boone, Shannon, Arzt. That was great. And I loved seeing Ben and Juliet in the Pearl. I thought it was very disturbing that Nikki and Paulo knew of the plane and station so early on and that Paulo SAW the Others! What the heck dude? Why would you not share that? Argh! :angryfire C_Lost 03-29-2007, 01:27 AM A 5 episode that I rated 7 just because Pikki died!! Yea! Good riddance. Lost_in_CA 03-29-2007, 01:28 AM I gave it a 7. Not bad as fillers go. I'm not a Pikki fan but burying them alive was creepy. I'd like to think Vincent will dig them up but they'd probably suffocate in minutes with all that sand on top of them. eeeewwww! Best part for me was Sun slapping Sawyer. :biggrin: Love the guy but he deserved a slap. Kell 03-29-2007, 01:29 AM It's sort of ironic though, how they had two of the show's best loved characters ( Hurley and Sawyer) be the ones to accidently murder the show's two most hated characters. Actually, that's not irony. eko42 03-29-2007, 01:31 AM 2! What a let down! This episode was nowhere near as amazing as the creators claimed it would be. It was not exciting at any point. I actually got more annoyed with the show the more the revisited old sences. Also, going back to the finale of season 1, when Jack announced to the Losties that they were trying to get into a hatch, where were Paulo and Niki to say "Blow it open? We opened it just fine! And the ladder wasn't broken!" Why whold they keep everything so secret. I can understand not telling people "why" (the diamonds)... but not mentioning anything at all?!?! No! In the finale of season 1, the Losties were paniced that the Others were coming and they thought their lives were in danger. Where was Niki or Paulo to jump up and save everyone's lives? This episode was stupid. Just plain stupid. Oh, and a spider that makes you think the character's are dead... Hmmm... My buddy Frodo doesn't think that's very original. I could rant more, but my eyes are blurry with rage and looking at my screen is giving me a headache. Peace out. PTD 03-29-2007, 01:32 AM I gave it an 8...it was very Rozencrantz & Guildenstern (seeing things from the perspective of two incidental characters) meets Alfred Hitchcock (especially with the way it ended). A better filler than most....and the fans ultimately got what they wanted. :) My sentiments exactly. And another reason that it was better than most: It was less about the off-island flashbacks, and more on what happened on the island itself. Loved seeing the since-departed characters again as well (still miss Rose and Bernard though). victornewman 03-29-2007, 01:36 AM It is very painful to watch Nikki. That girl cannot act worth a flying flip. I might have enjoyed the episode a bit more had they cast the role of Nikki with an actress who can actually "act." The ending was fairly good though. I just hope Nikki stays where she's at and doesn't somehow get out. Lija 03-29-2007, 01:39 AM I thought it was fun to see Shannon & Boone and Artz, too. It makes me smile to see how many people say in this thread that they're glad to see Shannon, when so many of us (including me) disliked her in Season 1. But I really was glad to see her again! I gave it a 5, cuz I'm on the fence. There were parts of it I liked (mostly the ones that made me grin or yell "all right!") but there were parts of it I didn't. And I was thinking, "If she's dying, why does she need a FB?" and when it was over, I was thinking, "So what?" But that doesn't mean I hated the episode...just hasn't sunk in enough yet. And aftrer reading some of the threads tonight, I may change my mind either way. So that's why I finally chose 5 as a rating. lostnthesoutheast 03-29-2007, 01:45 AM Actually, that's not irony. Sure it is. But I suppose it depends on your perspective. Sydxelia 03-29-2007, 01:46 AM I gave it a "3" because I was feeling generous. It was strictly a "We-made-a-mistake-and-now-we're-fixing-it" filler episode on the part of the writers and producers. Nothing more, nothing less. Good riddance, Pikki. I'll never remember you. flashbackfan 03-29-2007, 01:47 AM I liked all the back story and it was great to see Shannon and Boone, but man, this episode only made me hate Pikki even more! I was sincerely hoping we'd find out that they were working with The Others, but no. They were just selfish, murderous idiots that ended up killing each other for diamonds. How lame. Jomama 03-29-2007, 01:58 AM Worst episode ever. :eek2: Total waste of time. I couldn't care less about these two. The acting was terrible, especially the girl playing Nikki. Integrating Boone, Shannon, and Artz guy that way was so pitiful and I hated the way they integrated Paulo and Nikki in all those wonderful first season scenes. Sawyer's "who are you" line was getting annoying. And how are they iconic and how is this a game-changer?:rolleyes: Revo 03-29-2007, 02:05 AM Worst episode ever. :eek2: Total waste of time. I couldn't care less about these two. The acting was terrible, especially the girl playing Nikki. Integrating Boone, Shannon, and Artz guy that way was so pitiful and I hated the way they integrated Paulo and Nikki in all those wonderful first season scenes. Sawyer's "who are you" line was getting annoying. And how are they iconic and how is this a game-changer?:rolleyes: So how exactly would you have integrated them? And its Arzt. Anyway. IMHO it was a very good episode, which will be forgotten by many, because the central characters are not fan favorite characters. Too bad... lulinha_k 03-29-2007, 02:10 AM 3 words: Worst episode ever. "Fire + Water" V2.0 :lipsseal: lostgurl 03-29-2007, 02:32 AM Shannon + Boone = 10. Simple as that. gigil115 03-29-2007, 03:10 AM Gave it an 8, kept me interested and curious how it would end. The writers gave the viewers what they wanted. Killing off Nikki & Paulo that way was uncomfortable to watch, but it had a certain dark humor, especially Vincent running off with the blanket. I just thought Shannon was shallow & conceited until I watched Nikki tonight. At least Maggie Grace could act & her character grew on me eventually . Nikki would remain unlikable to me no matter what, no substance there. I hope no one realizes they are alive and digs them up in 8 hours. Please, let it be the end of them. Next weeks preview looked awesome, can't wait! lockesmithe 03-29-2007, 03:10 AM I enjoyed the episode, and I gave it a 9 out of 10. It certainly was a change-of-pace from last week's island-action episode, so I tried to not judge this episode against what has been a great series of island-action episodes. Odd how many people seemed to enjoy "Tricia Tanaka..." but didn't enjoy this episode. I thought Expose was a lot of fun with a fantastically sordid plot, while Hurley driving the DHARMA van didn't do much for me. Did it advance the Lost plot much? Nope. Was it nice to see a lot of the gone-but-not-forgotten Lost actors? Yup. Was the way they wove Pikki into the Lost events/settings interesting? Yup. This episode was pretty daring on the part of the TPTB, and they had a pretty good chance of flubbing it. I think Expose worked. I'm ready to get back to the island-action now.... lostfan4ever 03-29-2007, 03:14 AM I gave it a 3 because of the decent story with Charlie/Sawyer and Sun. Otherwise I would have rated this one a 1. GiantMagnet 03-29-2007, 03:30 AM I'm disappointed. Maybe the previous few episodes have raised my expectations too high. Although I got a kick out of the reveals, tonight just wasn't as good an hour of TV as the other episodes. For one thing, the writing wasn't as clever. Ben's line about "I'll do to Shepard what I do with everyone..," (or whatever it was) for example, sounded more like a line from CSI:Miami than Lost. The island and flashback stories weren't particularly compelling, either. While it was sort of cool getting to see the other characters reunited (and Arzt back again...), I was a bit disappointed in the lack of focus on any of them. In spite of all of their brief connections to the other characters, this left me feeling like Niki and Paolo were still minor characters, even in their own story. I'm giving this one a "4" rather than something lower because of the turn of events at the end of the ep: that had me scratching my head, which is something I look forward to doing on Wednesday nights. cat_spasms 03-29-2007, 03:32 AM Best episode ever...I loved it more than Two for the Road. A total 10. And I really, really, REALLY hope that Pikki somehow survived. I also hope that all the Pikki haters will now shushup once and for all...these two were awesome, and they had an awesome backstory! But because people whined and moaned about how "oh my god they're boring" and because NOBODY gave them a chance and NOBODY had the patience (seriously, do Lost fans have the attention span of a 4 year old? Come on!) the writers had to kill them. Now, we know their backstory...and it's AWESOME! So I hope they return. You hear that, Damon? Bring them back...please! BRING THEM BACK!!! :( NathanielStarr 03-29-2007, 03:46 AM The only reason I was disappointed was because the producers had said that we would get a mythological reveal. We sort of did with the info of Ben and Juliet in the Pearl but to me that doesn't seem like a mythological reveal. That just seems like filling in a plothole. These writers like to do nods to other writers and genres which is cool. Lost is kind of it's own genre of storytelling now so to deviate from that to show it in another way is kind of upsetting at this point. If this was a solitary episode of the Twilight zone without the plane crash and all the other Lost stuff it would've been considered good. But well I guess the streak had to end at some point. The last 4 episodes have been some really good ones so I don't doubt the writers. I guess sometimes they do episodes for themselves. But to shoehorn in those two characters so awkwardly just for one Edgar Allen Poeesq episode seems like a waste, unless I'm missing something. ToKyO 03-29-2007, 03:59 AM I am pretty sad after watching this one. The acting wasn't bad...and I actually enjoyed Paulo and Nikki more than I thought I would...but man....this one was not good at all.. The writing was the worst it has ever been and no matter how good everyone else could have been...they didn't stand a chance. This episode was doomed before they ever even said "action"..:cry: A generous 5/10 Clerks 03-29-2007, 04:13 AM So much better than I expected, 7-8 / 10. One of the creepiest ending's, I LOVED seeing Jack's old speech, Locke's wise words, the plane crash, Boone and Shannon, loved it! char 03-29-2007, 04:33 AM I gave it a 7. I enjoyed the end especially; I love how Nikki's eyes opened:eek: SquirrelPhister 03-29-2007, 04:37 AM 8. Liked the way the episode opened. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I missed Shanon's whining (and that comment about Boon flirting with men LOL). Island stuff was neatly incorporated. However, why did Sun not slap Charlie when he was the one who actually tied her up and dragged her like a rag doll? Pick on Sawyer everyone:rolleyes: because she just felt sorry for him loved the episode. Just because it didn't advance the 'mythology' of the island doesn't mean it was a 'filler' episode. squid 03-29-2007, 04:55 AM I only gave it 6, it was okay but I was distanced from it because I frankly wasn't invested enough in Nikki and Paulo to care that they met such a creepy fate. Seemed more like a connect the dots epi than anything else. It was certainly ironic that Nikki, like the medusa spider herself, plotting and planning and weaving her webs, ends up getting her just desserts from her own weapon of revenge on Paolo. Ostensibly the title "expose" referred to the tv show she was appearing on I guess, but the expose of a little more of the inner workings of the other's leadership was more important to the overall story. I certainly got the message loud and clear that Juliet is less of a pawn and more of a second in command presence and I think we'll find that her "trial" and being marked was just another way of manipulating Jack and through him steering the fate of all the Losties. squid ningrant 03-29-2007, 05:14 AM gave it a one, the worst show in the history of lost, nothing comes close, i have never hated a episode, ever, but this is stupidest shit i have ever seen, are u kidding me, paulo finds that hatch and doesnt tell anybody that the others have a plan just so they won't find his diamonds? He could have hid them somewhere else, and then said "hey guys, i think something is up" this ep has taken me from the biggest fan in the world, to, if they pull this shit again i'm out, not to mention how bad it killed the momentum that the show had been building, There was nothing good about this episode, i take that back, the only good thing about this show was that hopefully it pissed enough people off that the ratings will take a dip and if the ratings get low enough they will be able to finish the best show on tv in another season or 2, instead of dragging it out for 6 or 7 years just because it's a cash cow, and anybody who wants this show past another 1 or 2 years isn't a fan, your a moron who should go watch october road, the creators want about 100 episodes, and if we get 6 or 7 seasons the creators might not even be on board, and if they are, it will a sad version of lost we have all come to love, thats all i wanted to say, thanks AnalogKid 03-29-2007, 05:48 AM I gave it an 8, though when the first commercial came on I thought I was going to give it a 5. It didn't really further the plot at all, but it was fun to watch. I saw the buried alive thing coming as soon as Nikki whipped out the spider in the jar. That's going to be harsh if the Losties ever figure out what happened to them!! That was great seeing Arzt. All of the island flashbacks were fun to watch even though they centered around two characters I didn't really care about (and less so now - what a horrible couple!). sjb121590 03-29-2007, 07:58 AM Wow... I actually liked it. Gave it a 9. Sure, Paulo and Nikki were back-stabbing annoying little creeps, but now I love those back-stabbing annoying little creeps. It's just shocking that they were BURIED ALIVE. Great way to end an episode. I heard many Paulo/Nikki haters shrieking with delight by the end of it. Blue Coral 03-29-2007, 08:14 AM Gave it a 10. I enjoyed it, even how morbid it ended. That was like omg. But mostly a 10 for Shannon and Boone!!!!!! And Dr. Artz Go Boom! lostlocke 03-29-2007, 08:19 AM Gave it a 6. Wasn't interesting until the last 20 minutes I'd say. Then it was pretty good. I never had any feeling toward Paolo, but I do have to admit that I was sorry he had to die that way. Nikki was just a flat out jerk. She was really mean. I know Paolo was in on the whole plan to kill the old guy and run away with his diamonds, but at least he seemed to really love Nikki which is more than I can say on her behalf toward him. My sister cringed at the spiders though since she can't stand to even look at one!! Really cool ending, but just really gruesome. Perhaps the most gruesome death that's ever happened on the show. Just thinking about it gives me the willy's !!! It's too real, I mean it will never happen to any of us!! But it's a more frightening death than say oh being killed by the smoke monster!! iowalost815 03-29-2007, 08:22 AM i gave it a 7. the only problem i saw was a continuity issue. when they found the pearl station, they uncovered the hatch, and it didn't show them cover it back up, so how come boone and locke didn't see it? i suppose one could argue that they were so focused on the plane in the trees they never looked down. i w2as suprised to see maggie grace make an appearance. i remember reading that she was killed off due to a salary dispute, and that she would not show up in any flashbacks. i guess things don't really die on the island too...lol i'm sure all the haters in here will flame this eppy. "didn't answer enough questions" "who cares about them" "why am i still watching" Just a note-- I heard Ben say "Why is this open" [meaning the Pearl hatch door], Juliet saying something about Tom (I think) must of left it open when he was here last week. Ben then said something about having Tom come and cover it up [with the plane?]. I'll like to hear that dialogue again. Then they entered to look at the TVs. D/ wanders01 03-29-2007, 08:24 AM Bored. :sleep: That sums it u for me. bearsgonefishin 03-29-2007, 08:41 AM I gave it an 8, I thought it was very entertaining, I liked the in jokes and seeing some old faces. People better get used to filler eps because there are going to be many more over the next few years. Zatherran 03-29-2007, 08:48 AM bravo producers.. talk about giving those that wanted to see someone die.. die! ( didnt have any feelings towards these two people and couldnt understand the negitive talk) wow..once again you guys go out side the box.. thank you.. awsome!! Kalgon 03-29-2007, 09:08 AM I gave the episode an 8. It was more of a device to plug some plot holes and excise two reviled characters than it was a filler episode. The plot reminded me of "Breakdown," a great, old Hitchcock TV episode with Joseph Cotten as a car-accident victim, paralyzed and motionless, who's left for dead. The ending here played out much more darkly here. At least the Nikki and Paulo haters won't have to fret about seeing them again. Heck, Sawyer's forensics hatch line alone made the episode worthwhile. desmondslosthairstraighteners 03-29-2007, 09:17 AM Gave it an 8/10, although this episode was a way of killing two birds with one stone, tying up some loose ends, killing off two generally disliked characters - i thought it was done pretty well. Loved the directing, loved the camera work, acting was great, i thought Nikki's first flashback was funny, and it had a decent storyline. Kind of like a Romeo and Juliet story, but instead of being poisoned they got paralysed and buried alive haha...a little bit disturbing but i thought it was awesome. Gave the episode a sense of horror. I thought the whole crash scene was extremely well done, theres probably some minor flaws, like someone carrying something with the wrong arm, someone being slightly out of place, but it really convinced me, The only thing that gave the game away was Boone's stupid long hair. A filler episode, but a good one at that, would have gave it higher but Boone ruined it. All the other characters that came back that re shot scenes all looked perfect, like they did when they were on the show (Shannon, Artz etc). Why couldn't Boone? I can see this is an episode that a lot of people will be divided on, there will be a lot of haters and a lot of lovers. But well, that's LOST isn't it. hotmutha69 03-29-2007, 09:20 AM Brilliant Episode. Petragrrl 03-29-2007, 09:21 AM Has anyone ever seen this fantastic little Dutch movie called "Spoorloos?" (There is a horrible American remake with Kiefer Sutherland and Sandra Bullock, but that's not the one I mean) It ends on a similar note, very dark and disturbing. Anyway - before the last 10 minutes or so I was prepared to rate this episode a 7. I very much enjoyed the way Pikki was "Forrest Gumped" into scenes we already knew... (I think they re-shot the scenes... I thought I noticed Shannon with a wig a couple of times)... Shannon and Boone at the airport, the crash etc. That was great, also that they found the plane and the hatch and made all these funny little comments that we as the viewer knew were actually quite significant. A fun filler episode, giving Pikki the opportunity to show a little more depth (and skin), if you will... Rodrigo surely is a fine male specimen :) ... some sort of recap that did little to move the story along any farther. And all the while I was thinking: "I thought the flashbacks were supposed to be what the respective character remembers in a particular situation...? How can Pikki remember stuff when they're, like, dead?" Uhm, well, 'cause they weren't. And when I felt that realization creeping up on me my jaw dropped to my chest. Awesome ending... very worthy of Pikki, I thought :biggrin: And that's why I gave it a 9. EricGunn 03-29-2007, 09:42 AM Just a note-- I heard Ben say "Why is this open" [meaning the Pearl hatch door], Juliet saying something about Tom (I think) must of left it open when he was here last week. Ben then said something about having Tom come and cover it up [with the plane?]. I'll like to hear that dialogue again. Then they entered to look at the TVs. D/ I gave the episode a 3. I'm one of the few who disliked Paolo and Nikki (:rotflmao2:) from the beginning. I thought their roles were fillers, just like Expose was. Nothing new and interesting, unless that quote about Tom burying up the hatch again turns out to be true and the way Ben is portrayed in that scene. He's a master manipulator. Because when P n N found the plane and that hatch door, I thought to myself, how can Locke and Boone have missed it? Locke was almost sitting next to it when he was yelling instructions at Boone! I hope someone can verify it. I'll ask the whisper thread people. Perhaps they can help. But overall, even with the confession to Sun, well...it was a filler. And it could have been filled with something else, imho of course. eTux 03-29-2007, 10:03 AM Gave it an 8, I have to say I really enjoyed it. The ending gives me the creeps (was way awesome though - I never thought the writers would dare to do something like that), it had a couple of nice reveals and parallels to the original stories we've had before. I would've wished for there to be more information about what all the other redshirts were doing and not just these 2, but I have to say I was very pleased with the episode. I'll probably be in a minority, but I prefer this pretty much over another run of the mill season 1 character's flashback, so I'm happy the writers dared and did this. IrishKelly57 03-29-2007, 10:12 AM I also hope that all the Pikki haters will now shushup once and for all...these two were awesome, and they had an awesome backstory! But because people whined and moaned about how "oh my god they're boring" and because NOBODY gave them a chance and NOBODY had the patience (seriously, do Lost fans have the attention span of a 4 year old? Come on!) the writers had to kill them. Uh, hate to break it to you, but Cuse and Lindelof had this storyline planned WAY before there were Pikki haters. Haven't you read any of the stories/interviews on other sites? Pikki wasn't killed off because of fan feedback. devilfrog 03-29-2007, 10:21 AM I gave it an 8. I liked that we basically got confirmation that smokey can turn itself into objects that interact with the Losties. At least, that's how I interpreted the final scene where you hear the smoke monster sound *right* before the poisonous spider appears and bites Niki. I also liked that we finally got an episode with a truly vile person as its central character. Juniebun 03-29-2007, 10:21 AM I gave it a 6. I have to say, though, that the past four or so episodes before it have been fantastic, so it didn't bother me that much that this episode wasn't up to their (past episodes') level of coolness. Paulo looked great topless, though...;) On that note..."Razzle dazzle, everyone!" Next week looks awesome, I must say! IrishKelly57 03-29-2007, 10:26 AM I gave it an 8. I liked Charlie's confession. It might (and I say might) give him some more time on the island. The gal playing Nikki can't act. She was awful. The part where Paulo overheard Ben and Juliet's conversation was wierd. It makes me even more wary of Juliet's intentions. And it was great to hear Ben confirm his agenda. Did anyone else hear the faint wierd hissing noise of the smoke monster just before the other spiders showed up to bite Nikki? Could Smokey have brought the spiders, or could Smokey have materialized as the spiders, just as some have said he materialized as Eko's brother, Kate's horse, Jack's Dad, Locke's Dad, etc. Lost_In_NJ 03-29-2007, 10:30 AM This is a first for me. I gave it a 1. I never liked the addition of Pikki. So, for me, this episode was a total waste of time. But I must admit...I was SO THRILLED when I saw them both dead., only to be left shattered when the ending left it kinda opened. moomoomoocow 03-29-2007, 10:33 AM I gave this episode a 1. It was poor at best. What did we really learn about anything other than Pikki really like diamonds? Yeah, it was "nice" to see Boone and Shannon, but i could have watched an old episode if i wanted to see them. The story of the island didn't advance at all other than Sun learning about the kidnapping, and that could have been done in any other episode. Here's how it COULD have been interesting: Ethan finds the diamonds and blackmails Nikki into working for the Others, gives her the radio, has her help him gather information on all our castaways. Paulo figures it out, and Nikki kills him (with a gun, as was speculated about Paulo's death). Seems to me it was just an hour spent wasted down memory lane. BORING! QueenElessar 03-29-2007, 10:41 AM I gave this episode a 9... I really enjoyed it more than I expected to. It was kind of like an episode of the twilight zone...but it was great to watch. I really hope that they keep it as an insular creepy story that took place and leave the two of them buried. It's just to eery that it's better if left alone. There were a hell of a lot of inside jokes that played to the fan base...and I guess that could be considered cheesy but I was just having the time of my life watching it! I loved when Shannon said "Kate and her two boyfriends found a case filled with guns"...ROFL...And when Pikki argued over whether or not the plane would fall if someone went up there to investigate...tee hee... I could tell that the vote would be split right down the middle between those who really enjoyed it and those who absolutely hated it. Because it didn't really advance the plot of the show further...and there are those who would see that as filler and complain. But I thought it was really a great character story...that was interesting and stand-alone...and on top of that watching our regular losties trying to solve the crime was so hilarious. I enjoy little sidenote episodes that aren't heavy on plot advancement but more fun and character based. skeetergirl87 03-29-2007, 10:42 AM I thought the episode was hilarious. Everyone's been griping about Nikki and Paulo and how they should die a quick death (not really thinking it would actually happen) and then bam! in the first 5 minutes of the episode, Nikki's dead! I actually did like the episode. It showed things from a different perspective and brought back some past guests. Like Nikki said after Expose wrapped "I just a guest star and you know what happens to guest stars!" That was major foreshadowing! And, in typical Lost fashion, it throws a twist in at the very end. It wasn't my favorite, but I enjoyed it. I'd give it a 7. Of course, I've loved every episode - the worst episode of Lost is still way better than the best episode of any other show on TV! IrishKelly57 03-29-2007, 10:56 AM I loved when Shannon said "Kate and her two boyfriends found a case filled with guns"... I thought that was very funny, as well. billy76 03-29-2007, 11:04 AM It's a 7 for me. And maybe that's generous. I probably should have given it a 6 or a 5. Sure it was entertaining, and I actually liked seeing the Island chronology from Nikki and Paulo's perspective (even if it did seem contrived, or done with "Hollywood Magic" at times). There were some funny bits. And Locke's scene where he tells Paulo to bury his stuff elsewhere was interesting, given all we know about Locke now. But, suddenly Paulo seemingly finds everything before Locke/Boone--the Plane, the Pearl. And suddenly he's at the Pearl when Ben and Juliet are talking about getting Jack et al... And he finds an "Others' Walkie Talkie!" But in classic Lost fashion he tells no one! It just seems so forced. Paulo is everywhere! Paulo knows so much. Paulo and Nikki were at most key island events to date (only you're just seeing them in those circumstances now). But, watch out Paulo, the Medusa spider will be your downfall!!! Now that I think about it the whole episode almost had the flavor of the intro scene from "Expose" And that scene was really cheesy. The flashback was really dumb. And the diamond story (if there's no more to it) seemed stupid. Nikki has been on the island for some 80 days and she's still obsessed with diamonds that are essentially worthless on the island? Good thing they killed her off cuz she seems really stupid! (NOTE: Sawyer must have stashed some diamonds--come on it's Sawyer!) Being buried alive, so un-original. Sure it was a bit of a surprise in the eppy, but really not that surprising. And it's been done so many times. In so many shows/movies... this is almost as bad as the smoke monster. BUT...is this really the end for Paulo/Nikki? Or will Hurley or someone hear a noise and dig them back up? Makes you wonder why the writers would even bring these characters into the fold this season if the only point was "Expose." Granted, people have been complaining about Paulo/Nikki on this board, so perhaps we have some clout, but, why bother even introducing new "red shirts" from the plane? For this? And if you made a mistake and want to get rid of them couldn't you have come up with something else besides a spider bite?!?!?!?!?!? Why they interwove the confession to Sun with this story seems odd to me. Again, forced, filler, call it what you want. Despite, the above I didn't mind the episode, from a simple entertainment perspective. I did enjoy watching it. But from a story continuity, and Lost perspective, it wasn't great. This episode could have occurred any time this season. Heck they could have done it at the end of last season (but for the Ben scene, but even that could have been included). The biggest issue for me, I guess, is airing it last night just breaks up the buildup and story advancement that's finally been improving the last few episodes (ESPECIALLY with The Man from Tallahassee, which was the best ep in a LONG TIME). It was filler, and sure, a show doesn't have to always be advancing the main story. But following the recent epis it was like going from an amazing dinner at an upscale restaurant--with lots to taste, see, and enjoy--to McDonalds--bland, ordinary, been there done that. What's worse, the cheese is still stuck to the roof of your mouth. moomoomoocow 03-29-2007, 11:08 AM It's a 7 for me. And maybe that's generous. I probably should have given it a 6 or a 5. .... It was filler, and sure, a show doesn't have to always be advancing the main story. But following the recent epis it was like going from an amazing dinner at an upscale restaurant--with lots to taste, see, and enjoy--to McDonalds--bland, ordinary, been there done that. What's worse, the cheese is still stuck to the roof of your mouth. dude, just say you didn't like it bro! say it proud! GaiusKnight 03-29-2007, 11:15 AM I didn't really like how the flashbacks broke a few rules (two people in one episode, dead people too.) But I really liked how it turned out. It was so diabolically ironic that Nikki and Paulo were willing to kill for the diamonds, but ended up being buried alive with them. And bonus points for turning Paulo's toilet joke in the observation hatch into something important. :biggrin: prospero 03-29-2007, 11:23 AM I gave it a 5, which I think was generous. We waited months for some answers, not this. I didn't like it. I'm not a big fan of stopping the plot to do other things. It was neat to see things through their eyes, but I really don't care about these two. Unfortunately, I don't think they're dead. That sounded horrible. I just wasn't buying the Nikki character as a cold blooded "Lady Macbeth" killer. I thought the acting in the whole episode was lacking. pibbsneaker 03-29-2007, 11:33 AM This was so bad for a Lost episode I can't even write about it now. BlackrockBob 03-29-2007, 11:42 AM I loved how it started with Nikki appearing in Expose as a Guest Star. That was brilliant! I loved the Razzle Dazzle as she kicked the guy. However, as good as the start was, and the Boone/Shannon and Arzts moments were, as the episode went on, I just wanted Pikki dead. The whole Karma plot was great too. Full circle with the death for the diamonds. Aggie00 03-29-2007, 12:27 PM I gave it an eight, since I didn't read up about it beforehand and the burying alive thing caught me off guard. Funny that Locke made the statement "things don't stay buried on this island..." Does that have to do with people too? Freaky. Really enjoyed all the Arzt moments. Looked like he was being the current Charles Darwin. Still don't know the big deal about diamonds. You are on an island people. Those diamonds are going to do diddly for you. moomoomoocow 03-29-2007, 12:34 PM This was so bad for a Lost episode I can't even write about it now. finally someone who shares my feelings... all you people who think this episode was something special need to reevaluate what a good episode actually is... do yourself a favor, go watch "Flashes Before Your Eyes", "The Man from Tallahassee", or even "Lockdown"... THOSE were good episodes, not this drivel. Kell 03-29-2007, 12:36 PM finally someone who shares my feelings... all you people who think this episode was something special need to reevaluate what a good episode actually is... do yourself a favor, go watch "Flashes Before Your Eyes", "The Man from Tallahassee", or even "Lockdown"... THOSE were good episodes, not this drivel. Seems like the question of whether Expose is as good (or better) as the ones you list is a subjective issue. I've seen those, I like those, but I like last night's better. billy76 03-29-2007, 12:44 PM finally someone who shares my feelings... all you people who think this episode was something special need to reevaluate what a good episode actually is... do yourself a favor, go watch "Flashes Before Your Eyes", "The Man from Tallahassee", or even "Lockdown"... THOSE were good episodes, not this drivel. I feel your pain! (My overly-positive rating of 7, notwithstanding). johnnywishbone 03-29-2007, 12:54 PM when it's all said and done, and you go and buy S3 of Lost on dvd, you could skip this episode and the flow of the show wouldn't miss a beat.... that to me screams volumes at just how pointless this episode was - albeit semi-entertaining if you did skip this epi, you might ask yourself, 'hey, whatever happened to Nikki and Paulo?' then again, you can say the same for Rose and Bernard the difference being, i'm actually interested in the latter this being the day after.....i regret giving it a 6 last night, feels more like a 4 or 5 at best :shrug: moomoomoocow 03-29-2007, 01:02 PM Seems like the question of whether Expose is as good (or better) as the ones you list is a subjective issue. I've seen those, I like those, but I like last night's better. what did you like exactly? ***Mod edited*** when it's all said and done, and you go and buy S3 of Lost on dvd, you could skip this episode and the flow of the show wouldn't miss a beat.... that to me screams volumes at just how pointless this episode was - albeit semi-entertaining well said! if you can skip an entire episode an not miss it, what's the point? ngibarra 03-29-2007, 01:07 PM Everyone hated Nicki and Paulo and wanted them dead. The writers finally gave it to the fans by burying them alive. What more could you ask for . . .?? They are gone now, never to be seen again hopefully, lets move on. billy76 03-29-2007, 01:08 PM Ummm, wouldn't you still have a pulse if you were paralyzed?!?!?!??!?! No pulse = dead. I guess it could have been REALLLY faint. But come on! A freaking spider bite!?!?!?! The fact that they actually used that, is perhaps the funniest part of the whole episode. Maybe Locke got bit by these same spider right after the plane crash and somehow the venom reversed his paralysis! That's it! OldWiz 03-29-2007, 01:35 PM Much better than I expected. The writers really poked fun at both themselves and us. Some of the best lines in a long time, i.e. "I was a guest star and you know what happens to them...", or "Promise me we won't end up like them (Shannon and Boone, both dead)..., or "I'm not going to climb up there, that plane will fall...". This really wasn't filler, it was 'back-filler' letting the writers plug some plot holes and let in a few new little tidbits along the way (Ben and Juliet in the hatch), etc.. I really enjoyed Hurley insisting it was the 'monster' that killed them and I liked the altered perspective view of previous events. Nice to see some of the old cast, too. It was a solid 6 for me, but I gave it a 7 just for Nikki's pole dance - never thought I'd see a pole dance on Lost... Oldwiz P.S. I'm betting Vincent digs up one or both before they croak... IamLOST922 03-29-2007, 01:55 PM It was good! Some episodes you just have to look at on their own. Don't compare with other Lost episodes. Expose really is in a league of it's own. I personally don't care one bit if none of Lost's many mysteries were solved or if the episode didn't carry on the main plots at all. Expose is absolutely brilliant and in my mind, could not of been any better. Heidi 03-29-2007, 02:34 PM I rated it a 5; it was just okay for me. In and of itself, the episode was interesting. But as far as advancing the storyline, this episode didn't do that. The only thing I found of significance was Charlie confessing the truth to Sun. I can't see how Nikki and Paolo's presence on the island was in any way significant so as to affect anything. Clearly, this is the producers giving the fans what they wanted - Nikki and Paolo are gone. pinkrose 03-29-2007, 02:51 PM I gave it a 7. I enjoyed it, but I found it to be too predictable. I guessed everything that was going to happen. I wish we had been introduced to Nikki and Paulo earlier on so we would've been more interested in their story. If the same episode had used different characters, it would've been a lot more shocking. Though with that ending I'm glad it didn't end up being characters we've come to love. I wonder if Desmond will have a flash and end up saving them. I doubt it. Helen_ 03-29-2007, 04:31 PM I voted 7.It was interesting and we learnt enough... I don't think it was a really strong episode, but it was OK. I'm soooo glad we got rid of Nikki and Paolo!!! SmokeMonster 03-29-2007, 04:33 PM I gave it an 8. I didn't read any spoilers, and I had no idea what was going to happen to them. Once I heard the part about the paralysis, I gasped out loud. I haven't done that since Michael shot Ana Lucia and Libby. That gave me the creeps to see them get buried alive with diamonds scattered all over the top of them. Eeeh. Not perfect because their backstory was so ho-hum. Nikki was on TV and they killed a producer for diamonds? zzzZZZzzz The_Others_2005 03-29-2007, 04:55 PM This was by far the second best episode of the season. The majority of this season has been lackluster with a few real gems in it, this included. To start off I'll say I went into this episode absolutely hoping that Nikki and Paulo would get the boot however over the course of one episode I found myself just as attached to them as I am to any A list member of the show. I think it was in part to them being put into the original flashbacks, it gave them a sense of familiarity and then the cherry on top was finding that they discovered some the the Islands biggest secrets before anybody else did. The way the episode was done was in a pretty favorable style, very "3 minutes esque", you start off thinking Nikki's an actress, then we go on to learn that she was involved in the murder of an old man for diamonds, your opinion of her lowers. Then as the episode progresses you find that they only did those terrible things because they love each other. I also loved the way the diamonds seemingly tore Nikki and Paulo apart(eventually leading to their gruesome death) I loved this episode, it got me attached to two characters who I at first hated and then it snatched them away from me in a way that makes me feel more sorry for them then anything. This episode was a step in the right direction, for the show. We don't need gigantic anwsers every week, because when we get answers every week they lose their value. When was the last time this show had a moment thats rivaled "Tabula Rasa", the combination of Boone's death and Locke crying on the hatch was beautiful. Since then the only time I've really been impressed with the show has been through the death of a beloved character.( With the exception of Eko his episode was poorly done.) Probably the best moment last season was when Micheal killed Libby and Ana Lucia, it was shocking, but you kept thinking to yourself, " Micheal's a good guy, there has to be a reason." Either way this episode gave me everything I've come to love in this show, it made me like two characters over the course of an hour and then took them away from me in an extremely shocking manor. One's things for sure after the peiosde was over I had suddenly found myself missing Paulo and Nikki like I had finally appreciated Shannon after she had died, and seeing as how this was only over the course of 40 minutes, i'd say that's no small feat. 10/10 ZoSo 03-29-2007, 04:56 PM A 7.... Was okay, but nothing great. I was disappointed. GuySuckedIntoTheEngine 03-29-2007, 05:27 PM Eh. Just eh. The episode had the feel of a crossbreeding of a rejected Sawyer-centric eppy and one of those shows you find on MyTV or ION at 11 PM. Throw in Lando, and the cheese quotient was a bit too high for my taste. On the other hand, we did get to see ArtzArztzArztDoc :blowup: , the turbine guy, and Boone and Shannon doing their usual bit :42fight: . And Nikki's pole dance scene did make up for a lot of problems! Talon 03-29-2007, 05:48 PM I rated the episode a 7. I am a huge Lost fan, like all of you. I give the writers credit for interweaving Nikki and Paulo into the first days of the crash. I loved seeing Boone and Shannon again, and Arzt. I thought it was kind of cool how they explained the bathroom scene with Paulo in that other hatch, and what he was doing in there. Another good point was seeing Charlie own up to what he did to Sun. You can see that he is trying to make things right- trying to learn from his past mistakes. Now, onto the things that disappointed me: Common sense says Nikki and Paulo should be dead, but this is Lost, so you never know. If they are dead, then really, what was the purpose of these characters? They served absolutely no purpose at all. They hardly said anything worthwhile when they first came on the show, and both were extremely unlikeable. I think that was partially due to the writing. So TPTB take all that time to introduce these 2 characters, they do basically nothing the whole season, and then in this episode they created a backstory so we knew where these characters came from. But in the end, these characters really served no purpose. If they were not on the show, nothing would have changed on the island. I am just wondering why put these characters on the show if they are dead, and they really did not contribute anything to the show. I hope they stay dead, lol. I don't want them coming back- I prefer the original castaways. It also seems like the writers will poke fun at the show's situation, or other shows, because they feel that if we can recognize and laugh at that, then they can get a pass on certain things. I did like seeing Charlie apologizing to Sun- that was very good. But, she walks away angry at him, and then she gets even more angry at Sawyer and slaps him, mostly because it was his idea. It just did not make sense how she seems to be that angry at Sawyer, while it was Charlie's hands that pulled a hood over Sun- it was Charlie's hands that choked Sun, and frightened her. Don't get me wrong, Sawyer deserved the slap, but she seemed more interested in making Sawyer feel bad than Charlie. That just did not feel right. However "salty" Sawyer acts, and no matter how truly sorry Charlie appeared, Charlie deserved some consequences for his actions. We might see that in later episodes, or we may not. Depends on the writers... irish lost fan 03-29-2007, 05:56 PM I didn't love it.. I liked it. It gave more of a story to Paulo and Nikki and I like them a bit more now, but if they are dead now then that was such a waste and I was right to hate them in the first place. Reallly freaky ending though, being buried alive. :ermm: Seeing Shannon again was great :biggrin: and it explained how she knew about the gun case! 8/10 Lunch 03-29-2007, 06:00 PM As a stand alone episode, I liked it. However, fitting into the whole spectrum of the show, I didn't. The ending was very chilling and the story was even vaguely reminiscent of Poe or Hitchcock. And the whole episode just seemed like a way for writers to take the easy way out to fix a mistake. summerdreams 03-29-2007, 06:09 PM 3 words: Worst episode ever. I totally agree. I gave it the lowest possible rating. The only redeeming factor is that Pikki is gone. Snost_and_Lost 03-29-2007, 06:10 PM fucking loved it. 10. minnesotan_grl83 03-29-2007, 06:34 PM I gave this episode a 6. The only thing I really liked was Sawyer, Hurley, Sun, and Charlie trying to uncover the mysterious deaths of Nikki and Paulo. I didn't like how they played out the revenge thing with Nikki and Paulo though. You can tell Paulo loved her.. was so sad knowing she only cared for herself and the diamonds. This was silly and lame. Nikki was being plain stupid!!! Her acting was lacking energy. The only thing I found the actress really good at was playing dead. That was creepy. But, now come on.. we didn't uncover barely anything in "Expose". They may have found and uncovered one of the hatches first, the plane in the tree, and dived in the lake before Kate and Sawyer did, so what?! I was looking forward to seeing them as a happy couple, maybe. Something we haven't yet seen. Seeing Boone, Shannon and Dr. Artz was awesome to see again.. but, really, this episode again, didn't uncover much. entil2001 03-29-2007, 07:44 PM Unlike a lot of people, I don't prejudge changes and additions to a cast, even when characters seem extraneous. Change is the only constant in life, and very often, writers introduce characters for a specific reason. I have the feeling that whatever purpose was originally intended for the characters in this episode was scrapped when the fans failed to demonstrate an open mind. I also wonder if we'll see the seams when those intentions never come to fruition, and if the fans will have the integrity and honesty to place the blame where it belongs. Whatever the case, I enjoyed this episode immensely; it left me wishing for more time with characters that were never given a chance. Here's my review for Lost 3.14: "Expose": http://www.entil2001.com/series/lost/season3/lost3-14.html Overall, this episode took the usual format and twisted it into something very different. While the tone of the episode suggests that it requires very little attention, a number of minor questions are answered along the way. This isn’t even a transitional episode in the traditional sense, but as apparent stand-alone installments go, this is a solid effort. xpetri 03-29-2007, 07:54 PM There are 2 reasons this episode scores a 9 and they're both in Nikki's bra. Seriously though the ending was so good I couldn't go lower. lockeisthekey 03-29-2007, 09:44 PM I haven't read anyone else's responses yet, so forgive me if I'm redundant! I thought the eppy was good, but not great. Things that I enjoyed: We got to see pretty much everyone for at least a moment. (yeah, not quite everyone-but pretty close). It was interesting, and I never wondered, "is this over yet?" John Locke looked good, as did Desmond. Seriously, Des is such a fascinating character, even when he's only saying a few lines. What I didn't like: We really didn't advance our story much. I'm more interested in characters who aren't dead. I mean, why did we get two new characters if they were only going to have ONE eppy and then be gone? I don't get it. :confused: I won't miss them, since I feel like Sawyer-- "who ARE they?" Still, there were lots of fun moments, and I was so engrossed that I forgot to give in to my arachnophobia during that one scene. That is really major. LostIslandBaby 03-29-2007, 09:49 PM I gave it an 8! It was better than expected. Loved seeing Arzt's antics. TPTB did a great job with this one. Annamorgana 03-29-2007, 10:33 PM gave it a 5. it was ok , I didn't like the dynamic duo any more than I used to, in fact I dislike them even more now because they murdered a guy for diamonds. Hey were we supposed to like them any better after this episode? because I didn't get the saving grace that was supposed to help us like them . Over all I liked the episode not nikki and paulo, if anything, through nikki and paulo we have little tid bits of ethan, arntz , shannon and boone. which I liked tiewashere 03-29-2007, 10:41 PM By far one of the best episode this season. 10 Lady EKO 03-29-2007, 11:01 PM Seeing Boone for only a few moments made my vote change from a 6 to an 8. I also loved the fact that Charlie confessed to Sun and now she knows that "the others" are not after her. I liked the FB of the pilot episode. I never get tired of watching that. pibbsneaker 03-29-2007, 11:39 PM Another poster called Tricia Tanaka is Dead an episode of Hurley and the Gang. Expose would have been another fine episode of that series, but it was beyond awful for an episode of Lost. There were so many things wrong with this episode, it's not even funny. 1: So Lost is a black comedy now? I remember when the X-Files started doing this on a consistent basis. They were terrible and totally departed from the original premise of the series. When I watch Lost, I don't expect to watch this type of show. I know they were trying to do something different, but it totally fell flat. They should have never tried it. 2: So Paulo and Nikki discover the Beechcraft and Pearl station even before Locke and Boone found the Hatch? That really pi"#es me off because the way Locke and Boone discovered that there were things that people constructed on the Island was perfect. Same with the Beechcraft and the Pearl. It was like they were supposed to find them, but Nikki and Paulo just stumble upon them in the jungle days before Ethan takes Claire. Furthermore, they don't tell anyone. Diamonds or not, that is totally unbelievable. They wouldn't have said, "Hey, we've been here before." 3: The fan shout outs. They were neither funny nor relevant. I'm guessing that the producers are just incorporating to make rabid fanboys even more rabid. I have no respect for that. I guess people like seeing something they discussed on a message board mentioned on TV. 4. Buried alive? Yeah, that was really cool for an episode of Hurely and the Gang, but they basically set up these characters for people to hate them so that Sawyer and Hurley can accidentally bury them alive. I was only shocked that they would go through all the trouble of bringing two new actors in--one from Brazil no less--introducing them into a few episodes so that fans could hate them, giving them an episode of their own, and bringing back former cast members, all for a lame "shocking" ending that is supposed to be iconic of the show? Lost shouldn't be doing this. 5. Probably the biggest thing that upsets me is that they went back and altered the mythology of the show in a half-hearted attempt to make these two characters relevant. Does anyone seriously believe that when the Beechcraft and the Pearl were introduced back in Seasons 1 and 2 that TPTB had any idea that Nikki and Paulo had already discovered them? This is just another indication that they are making up alot of it as they go along. I gave this episode a 1, and I feel like I am being too generous. Even though I was totally enamoured with the first season and some of the second, I can't give it a high score simply because it is Lost. Actually, it deserves a low score because it is Lost and this episode is not indicative of the show that I have enjoyed watching. If it was a different show, I would have enjoyed it. Kell 03-29-2007, 11:54 PM what did you like exactly? Writing, directing, acting, shot selection, music, the way they used the history of the show for dramatic and comedic effect. Also, anything else about the show that I failed to mention in the last sentence. workingmom 03-29-2007, 11:54 PM This was one of those rare and completely pointless episodes where only a couple scenes served to contribute to the larger story. Nikki & Paulo: When TPTB promised that we'd really like this episode and our opinions of N&P would change, they were mistaken. I still don't care a hoot for them. There was no redeeming character development in their backstory; they committed cold-blooded murder without remorse and toasted themselves the next day; on the island they mistrusted and plotted against each other; they found lots of island secrets and told nobody -- they're just a useless waste of screen time. The writers couldn't decide if the story was a mystery or a farce, and they therefore failed at it being either. Hurley, Sawyer, and Charlie as CSI's are terrible, not even funny. I couldn't figure out if Nikki and Paulo were evil, smart, or just stupid. They find the Beechcraft plane and the Pearl hatch and don't tell anyone. But Paulo's smart enough to know the plane would fall if he climbed into it. But then Paulo tries to bury the diamonds "secretly" by sticking a lighted torch next to him. A passing plane would have seen him, and Locke sure did. Probably the most egregious thing is Paulo's overhearing Ben and Juliet talking about their master plan in the Pearl hatch and saying nothing to anyone. I don't think anything in the plot moved forward in this ep. We did get a couple of significant follow-ups, though, which are always welcome: - Charlie confessed to attacking Sun, and Sawyer's role came out too - Ben and Juliet confirmed the whole master plan of kidnapping J/K/S was to manipulate Jack into doing the surgery. Although most of the fans had already figured that out, I guess it was good to hear it confirmed. Other observations: - And another island secret revealed - Ben and Juliet are leprechauns, and the island is the Keebler cookie factory. - Chain gang look good on Sawyer. - Desmond's psychic abilities are as lousy as Jack's bedside manner. - The waterfall lake is only available to people who have killed someone. - Hurley starts to emerge as a leader, which was cool. He sort of leads the investigation, and demands the gun from Sawyer when suspicions come to a head. - Conversely, Sawyer took the role of funeral director - he closed Nikki's eyes like Jack had to Boone's and Libby's, he concluded the funeral with "rest in peace" like Jack did at Ana's funeral, and sprinkled the diamonds over the bodies echoing some sort of ancient ritual. Maxum 03-29-2007, 11:59 PM Well, I wasn't expecting to enjoy last night's episode, especially after the first opening moments before commercial. Happily, the episode was actually pretty good. Nikki and Paulo, overall, are insignificant. At least at this particular point in time. I don't think I believe that they are dead. This is the "mystery island" after all, where weird and crazy things happen. Nikki was a horrible person for whom I have absolutely no sympathy. She deserved what she got, although being buried alive is pretty horrible, but it's karma: a horrible death for a horrible person. Paulo was no saint either. He participated in the murder of that man for diamonds. The fact that he did it for love of Nikki tells me he's an idiot and a sap, but of the two, Paulo had the smallest smidgeon of a conscience, whereas Nikki had none. Regarding why Nikki and Paulo never told the other survivors about the hatch or the plane or why Paulo never told Jack about Ben's plot against him is basically because they are two VERY selfish characters. They've trumped Sawyer for sure. They don't care about anyone on that island, except themselves, and they are not going to share information about things that may prove useful to them in the future. Ain't going to happen. As for those stating it's a filler episode, I don't agree at all. Someone already mentioned that it was a "back-filler" episode, but it also was a major reveal regarding Sun learning about what happened to her at the hands of Sawyer and Charlie. THAT is big news, and I believe there will be ramifications in the future. This episode set that up because now the truth is out. Will Sun ever confide the news to Kate? Will she tell Claire? Will she keep it to herself? As for her being more angry with Sawyer than with Charlie, I think it's because Charlie confessed rather than waiting for what he did to be discovered. He could have kept his mouth shut and never said a word, but he wanted to own up to what he did to Sun, and he confessed in a remorseful, heartfelt way. Sawyer, on the other hand, wasn't going to confess anything ever. The fact that he also orchestrated the whole thing may have her feel more unforgiving to Sawyer, especially since he just got caught in another lie. The episode also explained some questions we had about Ben and why he took Jack, Kate and Sawyer. It also answers the questions as to why they didn't just take them at the "line" in THP. It's because Ben wanted them to come to him, rather than just taking them. The reason his plan backfired is because Sayid suspected a trap and tipped off Jack. Ultimately, Ben got Jack where he wanted, but then again, that sort of backfired on Ben too. What did I love about the episode? LOVED that the ENTIRE cast was together in one night on screen (with the exception of Michael and Walt). Sorry folks, whenever, you can get the whole cast together with a great "re-crash" scene, you're going to score points with me. Big points. It was nice that everyone had new scenes and dialogue from prior episodes. I'm only sorry that Jack didn't have any new pre-scenes. Filler episode? I don't think so. A waste of time? Nope again. It had a big reveal, although I think I would have made it far more dramatic, but whatever. It happened. It answered some old questions, and it was really entertaining with the whole cast assembled. I was happy. lostnthesoutheast 03-30-2007, 12:33 AM As for those stating it's a filler episode, I don't agree at all. Someone already mentioned that it was a "back-filler" episode, but it also was a major reveal regarding Sun learning about what happened to her at the hands of Sawyer and Charlie. THAT is big news, and I believe there will be ramifications in the future. This episode set that up because now the truth is out. Will Sun ever confide the news to Kate? Will she tell Claire? Will she keep it to herself? As for her being more angry with Sawyer than with Charlie, I think it's because Charlie confessed rather than waiting for what he did to be discovered. He could have kept his mouth shut and never said a word, but he wanted to own up to what he did to Sun, and he confessed in a remorseful, heartfelt way. Sawyer, on the other hand, wasn't going to confess anything ever. The fact that he also orchestrated the whole thing may have her feel more unforgiving to Sawyer, especially since he just got caught in another lie. You know, I just re-watched this episode and it struck me that there was actually some sexual tension between Sun and Sawyer. When Sun slapped Sawyer, it reminded me a lot of how Kate punched him in Confindence Man. And Sun ain't an angel (as we saw in TGB). I am sure that we have only begun to see the reveal of the many dark secrets in her past. I think that she might have gained some respect for Sawyer for being able to pull off such a smooth and elaborate con. Maxum 03-30-2007, 12:55 AM You know, I just re-watched this episode and it struck me that there was actually some sexual tension between Sun and Sawyer. When Sun slapped Sawyer, it reminded me a lot of how Kate punched him in Confindence Man. And Sun ain't an angel (as we saw in TGB). I am sure that we have only begun to see the reveal of the many dark secrets in her past. I think that she might have gained some respect for Sawyer for being able to pull off such a smooth and elaborate con. Really? I think she wants to kill him. Sawyer has no idea what Jin did for a living. ;) pibbsneaker 03-30-2007, 01:01 AM Really? I think she wants to kill him. Sawyer has no idea what Jin did for a living. ;) I know... I'm also surprised that Charlie got off so easily, considering that he was the one who actually abducted her. I didn't read any spoilers and didn't even know that this was going to be a Nikki and Paulo episode, so from the preview, I totally thought that this revelation was going to be the main plot of the episode. Instead, it seemed more like an afterthought. murfbob 03-30-2007, 01:01 AM I thought it was very well done. I liked the way they intermingled the N/P characters w the earlier crash flashbacks etc. It felt kind of Stephen King"ish" or Twilight Zone"ish". Karma is a b!tch!!! lostnthesoutheast 03-30-2007, 01:02 AM Really? I think she wants to kill him. Sawyer has no idea what Jin did for a living. ;) But if she wanted him to die or to even suffer, then I think that she would have just told Jin what really happened. For some reason, Sun seems to want to protect Sawyer, at least for the time being. And truth be told Sawyer already felt the wrath of karma over this incident. Sun was more afraid of the Others because of it and so she killed Colleen>Picket is devastated over Colleen death so he tortured Sawyer, beat him up, shocked the ever-loving sunshine out of him, and tried to kill him a couple of times. You know what they say about karma. ;) pibbsneaker 03-30-2007, 01:06 AM But if she wanted him to die or to even suffer, then I think that she would have just told Jin what really happened. For some reason, Sun seems to want to protect Sawyer, at least for the time being. And she probably doesn't relish the idea of her husband becoming a murderer. Until I see evidence otherwise, I don't think that he actually killed anyone while working for Mr. Paik. Milgram Experiment 03-30-2007, 02:36 AM Great episode, even though the ending was ... sad. Did they really deserve to die? Quinch 03-30-2007, 06:50 AM Great episode, even though the ending was ... sad. Did they really deserve to die? They had to die horribly - the reaction of the nerdcore fanbase to the characters made the writers do it ;) Ekosystem2112 03-30-2007, 11:55 AM 7. Damage Control with a filler episode. Nikki & Paulo: Casualties of bad writing during their mini-season introduction. It almost seems disrespectful for Kiele and Rodrigo to be treated in this way, but then again, if they have Naveen, Daniel & Yunjin and treat them like background characters during half a season... what can you expect? bfaucette 03-30-2007, 12:08 PM I loved this episode and I would rate it an 8. Has anyone checked out the screen caps on the Lost easter eggs site? It has shots of Locke watching an episode of Expose as well as a shot of the soccer match in Desmond's flashback in which we can see Expose on the sideboards as one of the sponsors. So there is some thought and rhyme and reason to the show it appears. SithLordDarth 03-30-2007, 12:19 PM Episode could have been better. LostMyMarbles 03-30-2007, 12:44 PM I gave this episode a 9; I enjoyed it immensely, and I'm a little surprised at the number of negative reactions. I loved that it was so "meta" and campy. I loved the "Rosencrantz & Guildenstern" look at background characters making their own discoveries. I LOVED seeing our old friends from Season 1, especially Arzt. And I was amazed at the technical virtuosity of the plane-crash reprise. And despite what TPTB said, I can't believe the story was a substitution for another plan for N&P. It looked to me like they had been put in the background early in the season precisely to meet their gruesome demise. This worked (for me) as a standalone episode--a pause before taking up the narrative again--but it also may yet fit into the overall story arc (or not). The spiders, the walkie talkie, and the possibility of a resurrected Nikki all have potential. sarakat 03-30-2007, 02:09 PM My ratings are normally in the 7-9 range, but this one I gave a 4. Disappointing. HeadFirstForHalos 03-30-2007, 03:49 PM Pros: - Henry/Juliet in the Pearl - Shirtless Paulo Cons: - Pretty much everything else. Shardyk 03-30-2007, 03:54 PM 8/10.. nice self-contained episode that gave me a bunch of laughs, and managed to advance the Sun/Sawyer/Charlie angle. barkape 03-30-2007, 04:33 PM gave it a 6 Bad_Robot 03-30-2007, 04:47 PM I gave it a vote of 8. I liked all the flashback stuff, they really made it look authentic. I can't wait to see what happens w/ our buried couple, and how this will affect Hurly & Sawyer. Dharma Jelly 03-30-2007, 05:53 PM i gave it a ten.i dont know why, but upon first viewing i really liked this eppisode, maybe it was seeing Pikki be buirried alive. frankness 03-30-2007, 06:02 PM Some very interesting turns were revealed in this eppy. I also liked the opening of the episode - kind of confused me ;) 7/10 PennyKnows 03-30-2007, 06:55 PM I hated it - gave it a 4 only because Sawyer was seen shirtless and Boone returned. :D I just cannot wrap myself around some of the theories I am seeing about this episode, mainly because they are based on minute plot points brought out in an exit episode for two terrible newb characters. islandchica 03-30-2007, 07:25 PM Wow, I'm kind of surprised that most of you guys didn't like the episode too much. I'm giving it a 10. To me, it was probably the best this season, and one of the best overall. What I liked: - BOONE AND SHANNON. Oh, how I missed them! They actually got a fair amount of flashbackage, as well. - Pikki are dead! Thank goodness. I was wondering how much mroe of them I'd have to endure. - Lots of really good lines ("Razzle Dazzle!") - Seeing another side of Paulo. Nikki was the Vincent I expected her to be, but Paulo was actually kind of a neat guy. I'm almost sad that he died. Almost. - Seeing Boone and Shannon again. Wait, I already mentioned that. - Ethan and Arzt! I loved how Arzt actually played a huge role in the storyline, what with his spiders and all. Smart guy! Kind of miss him, too. What I didn't like: - It was a Pikki episode, after all. - The fact that Nikki and Paulo essentially "discovered" the plane and the Pearl. - That Paulo didn't just do what Nikki said and climb up into the aforementioned plane. Overall, a very enjoyable episode. Kitsume 03-30-2007, 10:21 PM I don't know what to think of this episode. It was good, as far as entertainment is concerned, and it's fun to see some personality pop up like Locke trying to help Paulo without knowing what he was hiding. My only complaint would be that this show will need to end. An episode like this is pretty blatant filler and makes these dead charachters worthless, including their previous appearances. It was fun to watch though. Seemed like a twighlight zone episode or something. hollisterbumx3 03-30-2007, 11:07 PM It wasn't anything special...I gave it a 6. I didn't like how they edited the episodes to make it seem as if Nikki and Paulo was there...especially the plane crash. But I liked how Ethan, Shannon, Boone, and Artz were in it. Plus the whole being buried alive concept was awesome. And I was hoping that Sun would like knock Saywer out. She just slapped him. But I was thinking this episode was going to be really stupid considering the beginning flashback...I was like "you gotta be kidding me?" but then I kind of assumed Nikki was on a TV show considering how fake it was. The girl who plays Nikki isn't THAT bad of an actor. But I liked Paulo in this episode. Kell 03-30-2007, 11:18 PM It wasn't anything special...I gave it a 6. I didn't like how they edited the episodes to make it seem as if Nikki and Paulo was there...especially the plane crash. But they were there. TPTB were not trying to make it seem like there were there. They were there. You get that, right?? Tiny Time Machine 03-31-2007, 07:31 AM But they were there. TPTB were not trying to make it seem like there were there. They were there. You get that, right?? Yes, Kell. The hours of manpower and thousands of dollars of wages recreating the crash site on the beach and filming new shots there, the thousands of dollars in visual effects, the rehiring of Maggie Grace, Ian Somerhalder, William Mapother and Daniel Roebuck and the tens of thousands of dollars spent bringing them all back to Hawaii. The "Powers That Be" were NOT trying to make it seem like Nikki and Paulo were there all along. I get that you absolutely love this revisionist storytelling and the demolition of the fourth wall, and that is actually great - it's better some people enjoy it since it seems that's the direction "TPTB" are going in - but not everyone has to buy into it. Just like some people pretend that the Star Wars prequels don't exist (Hayden Christiansen IS inside the Darth Vader suit!) and refuse to think that the cops in E.T. were crouched behind their policecars with walking-talkies cocked and ready to fire, some of us would prefer to block all things "Pikki" from our minds and get back to the show we started watching. A show in which soap opera actors turned diamond smugglers are not present on craphole island and the writers are trying hard enough to come up with innovative and emotionally effecting content for a world that is consistent and makes a viewer really believe in smoke monsters and disembodied whispers for an hour on Wednesday night. Not resort to "very special" episodes that throw away the rules of the Lost universe for... what? An hour of "noir"? If that's what they were attempting "jealous diamond smuggling lovers put into comas by pheromone secreting spiders and buried alive" is pretty crappy noir. Oh, I forgot. The Lost geniuses were TRYING to be crappy! Well, mission accomplished. I do hope all of the crap enthusiasts of the world are satisfied though, since I'd really like the old Lost back. LOST Granny 03-31-2007, 08:20 AM Thanks Tiny! That was very well said and I completely concur. I was very disappointed in this episode especially after the hype that Damon and Carlton gave it. Trevski 03-31-2007, 08:47 AM Superb IMO. A lot more clever than a lot of people seem to realise. Lost isn't a dot to dot sort of programme. 4815Waiting for disaster16234 03-31-2007, 11:55 AM I thought it really was quite a fantastic episode. Maybe people that don't like the storytelling from a different perspective should think about the fact that the rest of the survivors haven't just been sitting around for 80days while this group of them discover all the secrets of the island. I like it when the other survivors get involved as well, as long as they don't overstay their welcome, and Pikki didn't. Also they died in a really creepy way that was interesting to watch. having said that, I wasn't a huge fan of the diamond storyline, but I loved seeing the Losties reaction to it, so it all worked out well as a whole. The other thing that brought my vote for the ep down a bit was that I didn't like the idea of Pikki finding The Pearl station before the Losties did, it just kind of took some of the intrigue out of when Locke and Eko found it. Also when Paulo wouldn't go up into the beachcraft, well it was a bit insulting to Boone, and I liked the waterfall to be reserved for a different couple... So all in all, it was a great episode, but it could've done without all of the Pikki generated moment ruiners. LostIslandBaby 03-31-2007, 01:08 PM The other thing that brought my vote for the ep down a bit was that I didn't like the idea of Pikki finding The Flame station before the Losties did, it just kind of took some of the intrigue out of when Locke and Eko found it. Also when Paulo wouldn't go up into the beachcraft, well it was a bit insulting to Boone, and I liked the waterfall to be reserved for a different couple... So all in all, it was a great episode, but it could've done without all of the Pikki generated moment ruiners. Those moments may have been the "parody" moments some people were talking about. They also were key in illuminating the characters of the original Losties'. For example, the fact that Paulo didn't go up into the beechcraft helped us to understand Boone's heroic nature. The waterfall scene helped us to understand Kate and her willingness to risk her life and hairstyle to get into the bottom of things. The Pearl station scene? It just showed how "ordinary" people would react to something bizarre and fascinating: with lack of curiosity and disregard for the bigger picture of the island. DuckDodgers 03-31-2007, 05:53 PM 8 Excellent episode :cool: Kell 03-31-2007, 06:00 PM Yes, Kell. The hours of manpower and thousands of dollars of wages recreating the crash site on the beach and filming new shots there, the thousands of dollars in visual effects, the rehiring of Maggie Grace, Ian Somerhalder, William Mapother and Daniel Roebuck and the tens of thousands of dollars spent bringing them all back to Hawaii. The "Powers That Be" were NOT trying to make it seem like Nikki and Paulo were there all along. I get that you absolutely love this revisionist storytelling and the demolition of the fourth wall, and that is actually great - it's better some people enjoy it since it seems that's the direction "TPTB" are going in - but not everyone has to buy into it. Just like some people pretend that the Star Wars prequels don't exist (Hayden Christiansen IS inside the Darth Vader suit!) and refuse to think that the cops in E.T. were crouched behind their policecars with walking-talkies cocked and ready to fire, some of us would prefer to block all things "Pikki" from our minds and get back to the show we started watching. A show in which soap opera actors turned diamond smugglers are not present on craphole island and the writers are trying hard enough to come up with innovative and emotionally effecting content for a world that is consistent and makes a viewer really believe in smoke monsters and disembodied whispers for an hour on Wednesday night. Not resort to "very special" episodes that throw away the rules of the Lost universe for... what? An hour of "noir"? If that's what they were attempting "jealous diamond smuggling lovers put into comas by pheromone secreting spiders and buried alive" is pretty crappy noir. Oh, I forgot. The Lost geniuses were TRYING to be crappy! Well, mission accomplished. I do hope all of the crap enthusiasts of the world are satisfied though, since I'd really like the old Lost back. Thanks Tiny! That was very well said and I completely concur. I was very disappointed in this episode especially after the hype that Damon and Carlton gave it. I agree that Tiny's point is well said. And pretty much sums up the other view (the one I don't have), but I just look at the Pikki storyline as a well executed side-trip. Way back in season one, there were people complaining saying "There's more people on the island that survived the crash. How come we never see anyone but these 12 (or whatever the number was then)." So TPTB figured out a clever (at least clever to me) way to bring two of the background people forward. Yes, it would have been nice if they had cast the roles way back when, and we all had a chance to at least see them during seasons 1 and 2, but paid actors on a television show don't work that way. So we get the "revisonist" film making. And I think it paid off. But, as much as I liked it, as I watched it I knew there were going to be a bunch of people that wouldn't like it. And I'm not being critical at all of that view. I get where you are coming from Tiny (and everyone else that thought it was a huge waste of time and resources in a show that should be giving answers instead of creating new dead-end characters). I just liked it. Seemed like a very well thought out and executed diversion. I liked the last scene in Expose about as much as the scene when we saw the numbers on the "hatch" back in season 1. The payoff was that big (to me). nancy 03-31-2007, 06:22 PM Could we have an additional poll that asks how you would rate the episode after a second viewing? I originally gave it a 7, but now that I have had a chance to review some of the really well done double meanings and parallels, I would give it a 9. Based on some of the other threads, it seems that there are a lot of people who are finding hidden gems (buried diamonds?) in the dialogue. Burnt Sienna 03-31-2007, 10:32 PM Filler. Everybody got their wish though, I suppose. Better to have never created Paulo & Nikki and given more screen presence to the Lostie regular cast, IMO. talliann 03-31-2007, 11:32 PM I give it an 8. Good episode. And those are exactly my thoughs :undecide: why did Sun not slap Charlie when he was the one who actually tied her up and dragged her like a rag doll? Pick on Sawyer everyone:rolleyes: jheri 04-01-2007, 03:17 PM 10! I gave it a 10 just cause Sawyer had his shirt off lol, and Desmond was there also. It was a really good episode. Kinda creepy and very interesting at the same time I loved it. Iamonthemanifest 04-02-2007, 12:41 AM It should have been titled 'Lost: Alternate Reality Episode'. BTW, I just gotta say it. (Visual of exhausted mother needed here...she is jumping and clapping while saying:) Thank you God!! Thank you so much...please don't make them dig themselves out of their graves. :clap: :74happy: ESP 04-02-2007, 03:50 AM A generous 8. I still disliked Nikki and Paulo. Teri3501 04-02-2007, 07:26 AM I gave it a 2. It doesn't help that I never liked Pikki. I hated the way they were introduced. Not that I'm opposed to new characters, I liked the way TPTB introduced Artz. It must've been the "who are you" comments every time they got screentime. It was good to see all the former losties and I liked the scene with Juliet and Ben in the hatch. It was also good to see Charlie fess up to what he did to Sun and that earned him a lot of points in my book. Other than that, the only thing I liked about the epi was the end; because Pikki are dead (I hope) and because it was over. sickotriz 04-02-2007, 10:25 AM I agree that Tiny's point is well said. And pretty much sums up the other view (the one I don't have), but I just look at the Pikki storyline as a well executed side-trip. Way back in season one, there were people complaining saying "There's more people on the island that survived the crash. How come we never see anyone but these 12 (or whatever the number was then)." So TPTB figured out a clever (at least clever to me) way to bring two of the background people forward. Yes, it would have been nice if they had cast the roles way back when, and we all had a chance to at least see them during seasons 1 and 2, but paid actors on a television show don't work that way. So we get the "revisonist" film making. And I think it paid off. But, as much as I liked it, as I watched it I knew there were going to be a bunch of people that wouldn't like it. And I'm not being critical at all of that view. I get where you are coming from Tiny (and everyone else that thought it was a huge waste of time and resources in a show that should be giving answers instead of creating new dead-end characters). I just liked it. Seemed like a very well thought out and executed diversion. I liked the last scene in Expose about as much as the scene when we saw the numbers on the "hatch" back in season 1. The payoff was that big (to me). I totally agree. As I watched, I knew that it would be a very love or hate episode. I too found it to be just as you said: A "well thought out and executed diversion". I liked seeing the previous seasons through the eyes of these other characters. Just a fun episode all around. I don't ask that they "move the plot forward" in every episode. Sometimes it's fun to go back and fill in the blanks, or flesh out the details. Kind of like when we saw Bernard using the walkie talkie in "The Other 48 Days", and unwittingly talking to Boone. Those moments are fun to see, when the line between two dots connect. Mads13 04-03-2007, 12:50 AM I gave it a 7. Nothing special, but an interesting filler episode. It was nice to see the old moments from earlier episodes from new eyes. Plus, nice to see some of the dearly departed again.....Boone, Shannon, Dr. Artz...and of course.....Ethan :twisted:. I didn't care for the way the "discoveries" or "mysteries" were sort of thrown in offhandedly (like the plane, the hatch,....etc...). But then again, they're common knowledge now, so I guess there was no need for them to build any suspense again. And the ending.....Yikes!!! :shock1: But I guess they got what they deserved. Though I do kinda feel bad for Paulo. He was really trying to make a fresh start with her and their life. (Or maybe not. Maybe he was keeping the diamonds for himself in the hopes they would be rescued. Hmmm.....:cnfused1:) To me, Tricia Tanaka is still the best filler epi, but this wasn't half bad at all. JeremyBender 04-03-2007, 03:09 AM Being a spoiler ho, I knew going in that this was going to be a fluff episode and I enjoyed it a lot. I loved the Rashoman-like "look at an event through different eyes" approach to Nikki face planting on the beach. I loved the whole Expose thing, Billy Dee Williams was perfect casting (ADDED BONUS: he's not Jacob, as had been speculated). Loved seeing Dr. Arzt again, loved his "Pigs are walking!" line at Kate. In fact, that whole little scene was like, well, heroin to Charlie in Dresden to me, as one of my big complaints about the show is how the A-Team works in a bubble, how the other 30+ Losties are just there to move sticks and tarps around. It was nice to see Kate called on that kind of behavior. I hate Shannon with all the fire of all the suns in every possible universe. The glee that people are expressing about Pikki being dead? Multiple that by a quintillion and you still aren't even near the glee I felt when Ana-Lucia made her target practice. Nice to see Ben and Juliet in happier times, pre-book club breakup. :D *SHUDDER* spiders. *SHUDDER* being buried alive. Fantastic! I loved the music at the very end by Michael Giacchino. As the last shovelful is piled on, the strings start doing those great chromatic glissandos, then the big WOMP! from the whole orchestra, then desolate lonely woodwinds, another WOMP!, more desolate woodwinds, another WOMP!, the usual door slamming sound, then LOST. Utterly brilliant music writing for TV. IslandChaplain 04-03-2007, 07:54 AM I voted 8. It was pretty spectacular, the feat the writers pulled off--a character wraparound, with characters that technically weren't there during the first season, but complete with flashbacks to show one. The airport scene with the incest twins was pretty funny. Great to see them again. And finally, the paralysis factor was an unforseen twist. Wow. Great stuff. The ending really reminded me of the Twilight Zone. In fact, could Lost be known as the Twilight Zone of the 2000s? Amen. IC Idemandashrubbery 04-03-2007, 12:28 PM I too found it to be just as you said: A "well thought out and executed diversion". I agree. Between all the episodes boggling our mind with the speed it was going and giving away considerable plot points, we sooooo needed a diversion for once! </Sarcasm> Obviously gave it a one. It was the epitome of everything that went wrong between season 1 and season 3: Glorious camerawork and intense storytelling versus jiggling balconies and 'The brazilian hottie' and no storyline. Kell 04-03-2007, 03:22 PM Obviously gave it a one. It was the epitome of everything that went wrong between season 1 and season 3: Glorious camerawork and intense storytelling versus jiggling balconies and 'The brazilian hottie' and no storyline. Seriously: what are "jiggling balconies"? I'm not familiar with that one (or those, as the case apparently may be). Serafina 04-03-2007, 07:56 PM I've rate it a 7. It's never going to be a classic episode, but I found it very entertaining though! Laurenheartsyou 04-03-2007, 10:26 PM as |