What did you think? Rate it and then discuss the good and the bad. :)

Loved it.

Lucky Canadians, getting to see everything early...

Lucky Canadians, getting to see everything early...

Yeah, no kidding! It's enough they get free health care, can legally buy Cuban cigars, and have the politest society on earth, but it's just going too far when they get to see Lost before we do! :biggrin:

one of my favourites,

Yeah, no kidding! It's enough they get free health care, can legally buy Cuban cigars, and have the politest society on earth, but it's just going too far when they get to see Lost before we do! :biggrin:

geeeez..i know! its almost unfair :biggrin:

rated it a 9. definately one of the best episodes. and in my opinion, it hearkened back to "classic Lost".

Yeah, no kidding! It's enough they get free health care, can legally buy Cuban cigars, and have the politest society on earth, but it's just going too far when they get to see Lost before we do! :biggrin:

We've gotta stick together. Only a couple more hours.... Just hold on!

















AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 . Kate is awsome. I really liked her friendship with Cassidy.

Terrific episode!...watching it second time around...damn it's good to be Canadian! :biggrin:

I really enjoyed this episode. My favourite moment was when Juliet told Kate that she'd broken Jack's heart. It's moments like those where I think "Okay, they're finally talking about stuff! Yay!" Actually, to be fair, there have been a lot of those moments as of late (especially "The Man From Tallahassee", which had several of those moments), which is why LOST is on a roll right now!

Keep giving us more of those moments, O TPTB, and ye shall receive much kudos! :biggrin:

... It's enough they get free health care...

Well, on the other hand, we pay far higher taxes than in the US. I'd rather pay the taxes and have the healthcare than the alternative, but technically it's not totally "free".

But back on topic! Kate's flashbacks are never my favourites, but this was definitely one of her better ones, and the on-island stuff was classic Lost - thrills, action, humour, and lots of nuances to the interpersonal relationships.

Kate is my least favorite character on Lost. Add to that the horrible preview, I didn't expect much from this episode. But I liked it. Maybe because my expectations were so low!! :D I liked the Kate/Juliet interaction... The monster made it all exciting! But I thought I was re-watching a combination of Hearts and Minds and The Moth during the monster scene. :( I liked seeing Cassidy again... but I wondered why she would help Kate like - It was a risky move, especially for a stranger that is also a murderer. Did this episode made me like Kate more? Not really. Oh and I don't trust Juliet anymore.... this whole left behind looks like a set-up to me.

And may I complain again about all the attention Saywer is getting from the writers? The guy is either heavily involved in the main plot or the center of the beach B-plot. Couldn't they find a B-plot that would center on someone other than Sawyer for once? How about a Charlie/Claire B-plot? Because unless it's their episode, they just not on screen together at all. :( Or how about Sun and Jin? Claire? Desmond? Someone else than Sawyer!!!

I liked seeing Cassidy again... but I wondered why she would help Kate like - It was a risky move, especially for a stranger that is also a murderer.

I initially thought she was going to help her because she could use kate as a way to get back at Sawyer, but then i realized that didn't make sense. Then it occured that she do something right to prove something to herself. The fact that those two even met up is cause for speculation.

Yeah, no kidding! It's enough they get free health care, can legally buy Cuban cigars, and have the politest society on earth, but it's just going too far when they get to see Lost before we do! :biggrin:

I hate to rain on your parade but our health care is hardly free. It's paid for out of the huge taxes we pay. It barely covers doctor and hospital visits. We have to pay out of pocket for drugs, dentists, glasses and the like. Some provinces even charge their residents another fee for medical care even though we all pay for it from our income taxes, so they're being taxed twice.

And after watching Lost tonight from 7 to 8, let me tell you, it was nothing great. More filler, filler, filler. And haven't we flashbacked to Kate enough? :confused:

Colour me grumpy. I hope I can hang in until the bitter end. :mad:

I really enjoyed this ep, liked it a lot more than I thought I would. 9!

8. Very solid. Like it a lot. Good A plot and good B plot. No complaints from me, other than being a bit confused about Juliet having the key to the handcuffs.

Okay - II'm trying not to type with my mouth full - I'm eating CROW!! (Thanks to ABC and their stupid previews!)

Thought it was some interesting writing - Kate and Juliett/Kate and Cassidy!!! VEEEEEERY interesting!!!

Solid 8. I liked Sawyer taking on a new role a short leadership role given the preview. I am definitely loving Juliette. And it was nice to know that the Others are not behind everything (like the monster...if you can believe Jules).

Gave it an 8. Loved the Cassidy-Kate interaction. Loved Hurley's "con."

Appreciated that James "got" that some people will never accept his amends.


I don't trust Juliet. Wanna trust her. Don't.

And I don't want Jack to be leader. Wanna trust him. Don't. (Yeah, Jack, Ben's a man of his word and Kate's responsible for EVERYTHING that happened to you. Great judge of character, that's you!)

SIC HIM, SAYID!!

Loved it...Yay, Smokey again! And I loved Elizabeth Mitchell's acting...she and Evie were great together.

I loved it - Cassidy - not just a random cross! For the first time in a long while, I like the flashbacks as much as the island plot.
Kate and Juliet make excellent foils. It was good to see Sayid alive again.
And.... where the heck did Locke and the Others go?

B plot was cute, not wonderful. Maybe Hurley should be the new leader?

First Kate episode I honestly enjoyed. WAYYYYYYY better than "I Do". Gave it a 9, loved seeing the monster back, although it killed Eko:mad:

7

I was never bored but I wasn't ever overly excited. It was terrific to get a lot of Smokey action though. And I enjoyed the scene with Locke a lot. And I like how Hurley duped Sawyer. :D

Enjoyed this EP and Love the watching the Monster not being able to pass the Sonic Fence ..........Cool Dude

Solid episode, loved the beach story and the inner island stuff kept me interested. Reminiscent of the first season. I give it a 9

i gave it a 10 mainly because im just soo impressed with the roll of episodes we have gotten since break. it was a great episode. Just solid in all levels! Loved Hurley conning sawyer!

am i the only one that felt like this was a filler episode? i felt like smokey's flashes were just an attempt at making this more than filler, but i dunno. it just feels like a setup for the next episode, which looks like it will have lots of answers. i don't buy juliet's excuse that she "didn't want to be left behind again"by kate, why would juliet care about whether kate stays w/ her or not? looks like juliet is a plant...

also, looks like sawyer won't be leader for long. jack's already back next episode.

I gave it a 9. Much better than a Kate episode has any right to be. Her FBs werent absurd for once, and they filled out a couple of details from Born to Run and EMFH, so they werent pointless either. Bonus.

The Juliet and Kate interactions were great, and im glad it wasnt just a big catfight over Jack like the previews implied (he was more an extra source of tension, kind of like Kate in Jack/Sawyer conflicts). Plus im always happy for more Juliet in general. I had to rewatch her opening takedown of Kate 3 times before being able to move on.

B plot was a lot better than expected as well. I usually hate these Sawyer/Hurley comedy time killers but this one was actually pretty good.

pretty weak. seemed like a contrived story line to change up the WWF tactics they have going on (who is good, who is bad? hulk hogan? randy savage?). juliette with a key? poor. wasnt too into the flashback. wasnt too into the Sawyer "politicing" to "lead the society". first hurley is talking about consensus but then they need a leader/big man? that negates consensus and just kind of makes the story out of continuity. theyre fed by Dharma, no wonder why no one knows how to feed themselves.


just seemed like a weak setup episode overall, especially with jack returning and the end of the season being near.

am i the only one that felt like this was a filler episode?


No...i thought that, content-wise, this episode was filler...another 'bridge' episode like SIASL...however, this time around, the filler was well executed and entertaining to watch...hence I gave it an 8...nothing huge or earth shattering...but a nice character driven nugget that carried alot of plot and didn't get messy. I also agree with those who liked Kate's flashback a lot...though at this point I can't help but feel like her backstory is done, Locke's backstory is done...I can't begin to believe that Jack's won't be done if the spoilers about another jack-back this season is true...so where will that leave us?

What fun! I loved this ep. I loved the mystery, the solving" (somewhat) of a mystery, I loved the interactions between Sawyer and Hurley.
I loved who got "Left Behind." Shows that Jack & company STILL don't know as much as they think they do when it comes to the Others.

Great story, I loved it. But then, I always do, to one extent or another.

I loved it. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

A very... interesting episode. I give it a solid 7.

Lots of questions... I don't trust Juliet. She is a lot like Ben was last season... is she telling the truth or not? It's hard to say right now. Where did the Others go? Underground? To their real village? I wonder what's up with the monster and those flashes of light.

A very interesting episode, definitely a bridge/buildup ep.

I loved it, except they stereotyped Iowa... Again...

Not a spectacular video, but a solid episode with a couple of reveals and an interesting crossing. It was better than I expected it to be, but was about middle of the season. I'm definitely looking forward to next week's episode.

I gave it a 7

I gave "Left Behind" a 9!! Couldn't help, but laugh when Sawyer was trying to make amends with everyone, ecpeccially with Sun.. Awww...

Was so funny Hurley actually got him back! Good for him! LOL I felt a little sorry for Sawyer though. Yet, it was good that he was trying to change and be a better person. Hope he'll continue doing so.

Loved the Juliet and Kate interactions, especially when they hid in the trees from Smokey. Brought me back to Season 1, when Kate ran in the rain from Smokey and hid in the branched trees.

Interesting to see Smokey again in full figure. Great to see Jack reuniting with Kate, and Sayid again.

Can't wait to see the reunion in the next episode!!

A solid 6. Much as I love Kate, I never love her flashbacks.

Loved it. Great interactions between Kate and Juliet. I was so glad the previews were wrong about the catfight. I couldn't believe Kate said she was sorry for dislocating Juliet's shoulder. Great setup for next week. Loved Sawyer trying to gut a fish and hunting with Desmond. Desmond killed it and Sawyer got credit. I think Hurley and Desmond were in this together to get Sawyer to be good.

I gave it a 6.
The Kate & Juliet "Defiant Ones" scenes were great -- the distrust playing off each other, yet having to work together, and the big reveals to Kate. Falling in the mud was just gratuitous for the men, but oh well.
The B plot was ridiculously stupid, the worst "beachies are idiot timewasters" of the lot yet. They already did the Sawyer is a Reluctant Nice Guy to Babies when they had him read to newborn turniphead back in S1, which was delightful then. Just pointless now.
The flashback was good - fugitive Kate & conning Cass made a good team. And for the second time this month we're all screaming "say his name!" to the flashback characters. Wouldn't THAT have changed things???
And I'm glad Kate didn't commit yet another felony or misdemeanor in this flashback to add to her collection.
The awkward slanting of Jack toward Juliet back at the village was so contrived as the New Element in the Triangle/Trapezoid. I guess we'll have to endure jealous Kate now. I just hope they dont' string it out a long time.
Jules is still not to be trusted and not laying out all her cards. This should be interesting back at the beach.

pretty weak. seemed like a contrived story line to change up the WWF tactics they have going on (who is good, who is bad? hulk hogan? randy savage?). juliette with a key? poor. wasnt too into the flashback. wasnt too into the Sawyer "politicing" to "lead the society". first hurley is talking about consensus but then they need a leader/big man? that negates consensus and just kind of makes the story out of continuity. theyre fed by Dharma, no wonder why no one knows how to feed themselves.

just seemed like a weak setup episode overall, especially with jack returning and the end of the season being near.

The consensus was on whether Sawyer should be banished, not a vote on who should be the new leader. In any case, the consensus/vote was part of Hurley's con to get Sawyer to warm up to everyone, because Hurley felt they needed a someone to lead them now that the group's usual leaders are all gone/away, and he felt Sawyer would be the best candidate.

Just wanted to clear that up. ;)

I gave it a 7. I was pleasantly surprised after watching that disheartening catfight preview. I enjoyed the Hurley/Sawyer dynamic. And I really, really want to trust Juliet, although I think it's 50/50 right now as to whether or not we should.

The 'Smokey' parts we're excellent. Although, are we supposed to be intrigued that Smokey has a poloroid camera? Those flashes were kind of lame. But the whole fence thing was awesome. How Juliet just stared it down as it came charging at her.... but even then, i still gotta apply the logic that the Monster can tear someone out of a plane elevated over 20+ feet, but it can't hop a 10 foot fence. LOL.

Kate is by far the weirdest character on the show. Juliet mentions the obvious, but because she says Jack, she goes on an insane rampage? There was too much jealousy overflowing her character on the island stuff, for me to see any connections to the flashbacks. Other than her finally getting the fact that she shouldnt be so meddlesome.

I enjoyed Juliet laying it out for Kate. She rarely gets those "Duuuhhhh!" speeches thrown at her. And she needs more of them. Juliet was great though.

For a Kate episode, i think it was one of the better ones. Her episodes are usually so dull and annoying. A little plot helped her episode alot more.

Great episode! I loved Hurley conning Sawyer! What fun! That helped put it at the top! Gave it a 10!

Go Hurley!

I really enjoyed it - gave it an 8. Good solid epi and even though I guessed early on that Hurley was conning Sawyer it was still fun to watch it unfold. It will be interesting to see how the whole leader role plays out. And I am so glad Sayid is back!

10, I thought it was awesome, lot's to think about not filler at all for me!

I didn't feel like this episode went anywhere. What did we learn from this episode?

I hate to complain, but maybe I missed something. This is seriously the first episode where I've been sort of frustrated at the end. Even the one's where everyone else has hated it I've found something I liked, but this one left me seriously desiring something more.

Enlighten me!!!

The catfight didn't turn out to be as bad as I feared based on the promo, but I still think it was gratuitous. That said, Kate and Juliet were fascinating to watch together. Juliet appears to have Kate outclassed in both brains and brawn at this point, but I still wouldn't trust her an inch. Enjoyed the flashbacks very much, her scene with Diane was heartbreaking as Kate came to understand her relationship with her mother was forever damaged as a result of her misplaced attempt to help. The parallel realization about Jack was subtle but very well acted by Evi.

Speaking of lessons learned, the B plot was a gem in every respect. Hurley has always been the one who understands what makes people tick. Watching Sawyer go from a man with an agenda to change "hearts and minds" to a man whose own heart and mind were changed by the end was a real treat. Well done.

Locke, Smokey, Sayid lives! Plenty to keep me interested and entertained throughout, so I give this episode a solid 8... in spite of the catfight.

The 'Smokey' parts we're excellent. Although, are we supposed to be intrigued that Smokey has a poloroid camera? Those flashes were kind of lame. But the whole fence thing was awesome. How Juliet just stared it down as it came charging at her.... but even then, i still gotta apply the logic that the Monster can tear someone out of a plane elevated over 20+ feet, but it can't hop a 10 foot fence. LOL.

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who said it was 10 feet high? Maybe the fence isn't active above the pylons.
Or it's not a 'fence' just it is transmitting a certain frequency.

Main Island story was good. Flashback story was been there done that, although I was pleased to see Kate's mother finally set the record straight that Kate killed her step-father in cold blood and for purely selfish reasons. The Sawyer Island story was silly but had nice ending.

who said it was 10 feet high? Maybe the fence isn't active above the pylons.
Or it's not a 'fence' just it is transmitting a certain frequency.
The fence isn't active above the pylons. Hence everyone climbing over it in a recent episode. And if the seizure-inducing pylons don't work when you climb over it, then its more than fair to say that smokey can hop right over too.

Pretty good. I'm looking forward to the next episode.

Had to rate it in the middle...the "Days of our Lives" cat fight and the fact Kate had Jules handcuffed to her and all she wanted to know was if Jack said she broke his heart? Wow...

The Hurley/Sawyer dynamic was great as usual...but really now...telling a world class con man how to...um..con someone into liking him? That was a stretch.

Loved Smoky...is it now obvious that the big clanking machine that killed the pilot and tears trees out of the ground is one and the same as the cloud or did I miss something?

The episode started off strong. By the first commercial break, I was expecting something on par with the first season episodes, where the on-island story was tight and exciting, and the action in the flashback added some new twist to it. I enjoyed the rest of the episode, but never got the expectation of a first-season-like thriller out of my mind.

The Kate-Juliette subplot was definitely cool (I'm glad it wasn't just a catfight in the jungle, like the commercial showed). The relationship between those two became somewhat clearer, though the two as individuals are still mysteries - that's what keeps me watching. But the action didn't develop into as tight a plot as I'd expected. Kate and Juliette ended up at the same place they started, literally and figuratively: Kate doesn't trust Juliette. OK. Now Kate has a reason not to trust her. Better, but still not profound. On the other hand, now we've got to figure out what the monster sees in Juliette....

Seeing Cassidy in the flashback primed me for something more revelatory in the flashback. I guess Kate's meeting with - and rejection by - her mom was pretty revealing in the sense that it made Kate seem more "adrift," but wasn't that somethign we knew about Kate's character already? Again, we didn't know the specifics (that she confronted her mom about turning her in) but we knew Kate was cut off from the folks she loved. So, again, I liked it, but it didn't leave me scratching my head (which would be a 10).

Details that made the episode better than normal: The beach subplot was fun. I liked seeing Sawyer conned, and by Hurley, no less! Locke and the Others' "goodbye" at the beginning was creepy, and was part of why I expected so much from this episode. It's always the expectations game, isn't it?

Oh, and the monster was freakin' awesome.

I gave it a 9. I always like Kate eppy's but this is one of her best. I was left scratching my head about Locke and where he and the others went off to. I enjoyed every minute of it!

Loved it!

Gave it an 8, liked it but disapointed still no sightings of Rose and Bernard. Thought they'd be on the beach sitting around & eating boar with everyone. Hope they're alive & well! :kiss:

And may I complain again about all the attention Saywer is getting from the writers? The guy is either heavily involved in the main plot or the center of the beach B-plot. Couldn't they find a B-plot that would center on someone other than Sawyer for once? How about a Charlie/Claire B-plot? Because unless it's their episode, they just not on screen together at all. :( Or how about Sun and Jin? Claire? Desmond? Someone else than Sawyer!!!

Couldnt agree more with this statement. It would be nice for 1 episode to feature alittle less Sawyer. Yes, we all think he is funny but he is involved in almost every episode while the other losties appear in 1 scene with 2 lines of dialogue or not at all. So many people complain about the lack of screen time the other losties are receiving, why not ditch 1 of your Sawyer/Hurley B plot ideas and focus on....Sun and Jin, or Charlie and Claire, and have Sawyer only appear in 1 scene, or heaven forbid...not be in the episode at all. It would be a nice change. Somehow, I doubt it will happen. Sawyer can do no wrong in the writers eyes I guess.

Too tired to post a lot - I sure miss having the show at 9pm, but had to come on because I thought the episode was terrific.

Obviously being a Sawyer fan, I LOVED the Sawyer/Hurley storyline (though Sawyer was a little high on the dork-o-meter for my liking :71: - I prefer him more witty than goofy, though it still is hilarious to watch). So funny that Hurley conned the con man, and more believable, as Hurley was doing it for something good - not your normal con job. And I loved that Hurley, out of all of the castaways, saw potential in Sawyer. Even if he's fifth in line to the "throne" :71:, it was good to see that people saw something more in him that he sees in himself, and that his character continues to be a "complex guy". As a Sawyer fan, that's what I hope for most.

As for the Kate/Juliet storyline, yeah I too was worried about the Jerry Springer-esque promo we got last week. I love when Kate is tough - but there's a difference between tough, and just abusive. So glad the promo was a LIE. I'm just gonna stop watching those damn things. The dynamic between these two was great - loved how they played off each other, though I think Kate got played more. I loved that Kate held her own with her, though, even if Juliet appeared to have the upper hand. Love that fire in Kate, and Kate has more heart than Juliet I think, so that may be where Kate has the upper hand in the end.

And I loved how they handled Kate's backstory - she finally, hopefully, understood where her mother was coming from, which is tragic - I don't think she realized how it affected her mom, who was right - Kate did it for herself, and admitted as much to Sawyer when she thought he was unconscious. I don't think Kate realized though how badly she had hurt her mother, too. Kate and Cassidy made a great team as well.

Found her mom's comment about not being able to choose who you love interesting, too. Was that comment meant to apply to more than this situation, as in, perhaps it applies to Kate's feelings for Sawyer as well. Would be an interesting turn of events, considering Cassidy's declaration that he was a bad man (although she echoed the sentiment you can't choose who you love), when that side of him appears to be diminishing in a different direction on the island.

I was feeling a bit generous and gave it a 9. The Kate flashbacks were a bit mundane (when aren't they?) but overall I thought it was a really good episode. I didn't expect to see Smokey at all, and not only did we but we finally find out that the Others know about it but not what it is (so they say..and I'm going to believe Juliet on this one). Hurley's "long con" on Sawyer was great.

8/10 great episode ver entertaining, the Others leaving is a good thing IMO. I used to like the suspense in not knowing where they were in season 1, so im glad we dont know where they are again. Locke's goodbye message was both interesting and creepy, so typical of Locke. Jack seems really distant to me now though, he's been my favourite character over the seasons and now well, the writers have took him away for a few episodes and it feels weird... he's back but will he be the same?

The flashbacks were ok i guess, but i have never EVER liked anyone of Kate's flashbacks before so it's to be expected. I thought Smokey and his polaroid camera were off par this episode, aswell as the non fence hopping being totally stupid i thought Smokey was just being used as a way to hurry and keep Kate an Juliet on their toes in order to get back to camp. I never really felt they were in danger from Smokey unlike in s1 and s2.

You know TPTB said Smokey will be prominent this season but tbh they've been a little lazy with him, he shows up ever now and again, makes his litle noise or whatever,(and in some cases flashes himself lol) but ever since after Eko's death he's never felt dangerous - and that was a long time ago. The whole "we're next" thing by Eko seems a little wasted rigt now, hopefully they'll pick up on that.

Never the less a decent episode and ver entertaining - 8/10.

While flashbacks fill in some of the backstories I love when the "now " plotlines get help. This episode gave us the reason for the sonic fence and if she can be believed Jules staeed they don't know what smokey is either. She can be lying which they all seem to be quite good at but I think I believe her. I think i's the one thing they don't control.

it was good to see Kate come to terms with her need to "fix" things. It was a good epi, worthly of rewatching. I dont trust Julia nor the others. As for Hurley and Sawyer, bravo..sometimes you need a little kick in the rump to get going.. and it was nice to see sawyer smile..

I gave 'Left Behind' a 6.

I liked:
The Security System VS Security System matchup between Smokey and the fence.
Kate and Juliet inexplicably and gratuitously getting covered in mud. Made me chuckle.
Locke leaving with The Others. Maybe he'll blow some of their stuff up now.
Elizabeth Mitchell. She's great.
Desmond. He's currently in the very small group of characters that don't irritate me at all along with Sayid, Rousseau and Asian Cowboy.

I didn't like:
The connect-the-dots flashback. Oh, so that's why Kate's mum was freaking the hell out in the hospital back in season one... cause, er... she said "next time i see you i'll call for help". GREAT! That was SO as exciting as I expected it to be way back when.
The beach camp having absolutely NOTHING to do. Of course we can't have a scene in which we see why Claire and Charlie like each other so much, it's not their episode! Of course we can't have a story between Jin and Sun or Rose and Bernard, it's not their episodes either!
Jack. I'm usually a Jack fan, but he pissed me off this episode. He had no reason to treat Kate like he did when she woke him up. Prick.

I hated:
The cheesy as all hell montage music. I really don't mind the montages, but Giacchino's music has gone downhill (in my opinion) this season. His old themes are great, but damn, that music was cheeeeeeesy. I hope someone suggests to Hurley that he could use some batteries from the hatch for his Walkman so we can return to having actual songs over the montages.
Sawyer. Don't get me wrong, I think Holloway is great, but for me there has been no character ruined over the course of the two and half seasons of Lost more than Sawyer. What the heck happened to the guy we saw back in season one? His edge is gone. He's become Good Ol' Sawyer: Bad Boy With A Heart O' Gold. The guy that attacked Sayid, called him a "terrorist" and accused him of crashing the plane is now counting the hours until he's "allowed" to use nicknames again? What the hell? The guy that lived his life by his ability to con people into doing what he wants is getting social lessons from Hurley? The guy that beat the ever loving crap out of Boone just for looking through his stash is now giving Claire his blanket so he doesn't get voted off Survivor... I mean, the beach camp? I'm actually hoping now that Sawyer gets killed off soon, before his character is gone completely and the loss means nothing.

Gave it an 8, It was a solid episode, I liked it alot. Wish there would have been more Locke but I can't get everything I want!

Solid 8 - it's good to see the show's back to where it started.

Loved the "connect-the-dot" flashback (sorry, Tiny Time Machine :biggrin: ) and the whole balance of FB, A and B story lines. Someone on the LB called it the perfect trifecta.

Week after week I'm being thoroughly entertained here... there's nothing that I can hold against this episode.

8/10. Oldskool Lost but the FB was not sexy enough and the ending....what ending?

I gave this episode at 8. It was really good, but brought up more questions and gave few answers, which I should be getting used to anyway.

I liked that it had two lines going. There was the lighthearted one with Hurley getting Sawyer to be more nice or likeable. Then the mystery story about Kate and Juliet. PLUS, we got to see Smokey or whatever you want to call it. My big question: what is that thing and what is its purpose?

Great episode! I loved it! I gave it a 9!

I gave it a 7. I loved Hurley's con, it was fun watching Sawyer learn how to act like a human being, and yay for Cerberus!

On the minus side, I've had more than enough of Kate. Please, no more flashbacks for her unless they have Nathan Fillion in them!

The gratuitous handcuffing and mud-rolling were just lame.

[quote=workingmom;1472237]I gave it a 6.
>>>The Kate & Juliet "Defiant Ones" scenes were great ... Falling in the mud was just gratuitous for the men, but oh well. <<<


Ahh, but it was sooo short. It had so much potential to be soo much more! :kiss:

Liked the episode over all, gave it a 7. Sawyer's storyline was ok, but I felt it was a touch heavy handed and that he caved a little too easily on caring about being banned. The gutting the fish was okay, I can see where maybe growing up even where he did in the South no one ever took time to take him fishing, but the stinky comment by Hurley was a little over the top. Liked that Hurley is definately a major behind the scenes leader, too.
Thought the Juliet/Kate interaction was pretty good and substantive, not just a mudwrestling competition. Looking forward to next week, to see how things develop.
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It was okay for me. Not great, not horrible.

Interesting seeing Locke "leave" with the Others. Very interesting. Where'd they go? How'd they get there? Where's Locke's dad?

Interesting that Juliet was left behind. (Though the preview for next week is reminiscent of Ana Lucia's first entry to camp--the outcast/suspicious inturder no one wants around, but Jack). (Although I'm one of the few who actually liked Ana Lucia!)

The two chicks handcuffed together was interesting, funny at times, weird at times. And all because Juliet wants to be "bosom buddies" with Kate? Interesting... (Now Juliet and Ana Lucia rolling in mud--that would be something! ;-)

Interesting that Juliet had a knife and a key to the handcuffs. Anyone notice what the password to the fence was that she typed in?

I don't really care for smokey, so that's a "whatever" for me. Well, maybe I care a tiny bit, but only wondering what the heck it is.

The Hurley/Swayer dialog was okay. So Hurley conned the con man into conning the other islanders into thinking he's nice. Ok. But this Sawyer was not tough guy, go it alone Sawyer we're used to.

I'm tired of Jack being positioned as "the fearless leader." So I'm not looking forward to his triumphant return to the beach next week. I mean, I don't mind him in the show generally. I'm just tied of him being the chief at camp Lost.

Maybe now that Hurley pumped up Sawyer to be the leader they'll be even more tension between the good doctor and the con.

Did we see the dog in this ep? I don't think so. He was probably busy digging up Paulo and Nikki...

I gave it a 7. Solid, Classic, Lost ep. Sawyer trying to be nice was hilarious. Great ep of Lost.

I give it an 8. IT was a very good episode, just not "Awesome!!".

Darn good. Nice Flashback, Confirmation that Locke has his own agenda. Good long look at Smokey and a few good clues on the fence. I still trust Julliet as far I could throw her. Which judging from the moves she laid on Kate would not ever happen. Nice B plot with Hurley and Sawyer. Line of the night was"Guess I'm not getting the Korean vote." Sayid is serious people I like him more and more all the time.

I loved it. Gave it a 10.

Great flashback, storyline on the beach. The Juliet/Kate reactions were priceless.

This episode just didn't grab me. It was interesting enough to hold my attention, but in hindsight, the whole thing smacked of "Filler".
I dont believe ANYTHING Juliet says. This is just another of Ben's manipulations. Sayid is the only one there thinking clearly. There were a few gratuitous funny scenes with Sawyer & Hurley, but as I see it, we didn't really get any earth shattering revelations about Kate's backstory - just a few more details.
I was intrigued that Sawyer was trying to make nice & become a leader - but no...dont get comfortable with it, James - Jack's on his way back!

The only REALLY interesting plot development was Locke leaving & joining the others. For once, I believe Ben sincerely sees Locke as valuable to the others, because he is in tune with the island. I can seriously see Locke replacing Ben as leader of the others. I did get the feeling he was telling Kate a pre arranged story about him making a "strong case" for her - until they told him what she did. I just dont see Locke giving a rip whether she killed her step father or not!

I really hope next week is better.

7 cos of the expression on Sawyer's face when he gutted the fish. I enjoyed it and it had some excellent moments but it seemed to falter in timing in places. And Jack and Sayid seemed curiously stilted in a way. Surely they'd have more to say to eachother given everything that has happened?. And why did Sawyer need to be told how to please the other losties?. The guy's a con man!. He should be able to charm the nits out of Charlie's beard.

I gave it a 9. Was going to give an 8 but Smokey was back!! And I loved Hurly conning Sawyer into being nice! It was a great B plot. Hurley and Sawyer are currently my favorite ship. ;) Seeing Cassidy/ Kate connection was cool. Wondered why she'd go so far to help her though. And I kept hoping she'd mention Sawyer by name! I thought over all Kate was pretty pathetic in this one and like her less all the time. Jack too, I'm less interested in those two every week. Locke still fascinates me though! I hope we get more of him next week! I want to know why he went with them and where did they go? And how did Dad get there? Where's Danielle? Following Alex? Does Ben know she's out there? Looking forward to finding out. More Sayid and Sun & Jin please!!!! :ohwell: I don't trust Juliet! Wouldn't turn my back on her for a second. Love her addition to the beach drama! :biggrin:

The fence isn't active above the pylons. Hence everyone climbing over it in a recent episode. And if the seizure-inducing pylons don't work when you climb over it, then its more than fair to say that smokey can hop right over too.


We really don't know smokie's or the fence's properties at all. I think it's safe to say that just because humans get fried between the pylons but can go over, it doesn't mean that the fence affects smokie in the same way or that it can hop over like a human can.
100%
And Jack and Sayid seemed curiously stilted in a way. Surely they'd have more to say to eachother given everything that has happened.


I don't know, Jack seems very closed off right now, his behaviour is very open to interpretation. I think the writers are keeping us in the dark about what Jack is thinking/feeling. But really I don't know if I'd have much to say to Sayid either since he was part of the party that ruined Jack and Juliette's chance of getting off the island. I kind of think Jack is so pissed off with Kate and Sayid he's not saying anything, I don't think anything he would say would be too nice :)
100%

Giving it only a six because the Hurley/Sawyer scenes and Kate's flashbacks seemed to only serve as filler. When you think about it NOT MUCH HAPPENED.

I gave it an 8. Good solid epi. Very interesting... Now I really don't trust Juliet! She lied about not knowing of Smokey and she didn't tell Kate about having a key to the handcuffs! Naughty girl can't be trusted! And I loved Sayid's recation at the end. I'm not sure what's up with Jack, but I doubt he's been "turned" - I think he's just pissed at Kate and falling for Juliet's damsel in distress act.

Kate's FB was cool, not amazing, but good. And it was good to know that the Others have dealt with Smokey using their fence thingy. Overall, it made me excited about the next epi to come.

Only worth a 3. It felt clunky, clunky, clunky. Random beach plot that had nothing to do with anything. Hurley forces Sawyer to be nice to people! Again!. Main plot that was a paper thin excuse to get Juliet and Kate to roll around in wet and/or muddy t-shirts. Random and unexplained Locke moment. Flashbacks to information we already knew. And hey, we STILL can't trust Juliet. Little to nothing new was learned.

Great show even though the Hurley-Sawyer thing was bad

Yeah, no kidding! It's enough they get free health care, can legally buy Cuban cigars, and have the politest society on earth, but it's just going too far when they get to see Lost before we do! :biggrin:


And dont forget the beer and weed :biggrin:

On the other hand, you guys have Hawaii.

Too much Sawyer in the last couple Lost Episodes. He has got a storyline in almost every episode, while all the other losties are pushed to the back. Spread the love a little wider writers...not everyone on this earth is a huge Sawyer fan.

Solid episode, nothing really happened.
I wasn't too enthusiastic about Kate and Juliet, there could have been more into it.
Same goes about the beach plot - Sawyer as leader - the man is too concerned with himself - Hurley's got the brain and the looks - he should do it.

I enjoyed the episode - I gave it an 8.

Loved how Hurley conned Sawyer. I think that Hurley might just be the wisest one of the bunch.

Great seeing Smokey again. Wondering what flashing Juliet was all about, though. I think that Juliet is lying about what the Others know about Smokey.

Liked Kate and Cassidy's relationship; I thought it was great that they were able to bond like that.

I am confused why so many people liked this episode. I found it boring and noneventful. Virtually nothing was uncovered. And people are saying it was one of the best? weird. btw, I gave it a 6

This particular episode focuses on a character that I've never really liked, because I don't think that the background of this individual was developed as well as the rest of the primary cast. I liked a lot of the little details, but some things just fell flat for me. It wasn't a bad episode, but it wasn't thrilling, either. Just a solid transitional episode leading to something a lot better. Good news, however: the ratings slide has ended for the moment!

Here's my review for Lost 3.15: "Left Behind":

http://www.entil2001.com/series/lost/season3/lost3-15.html

Overall, this episode is mostly transitional, offering some minor revelations while moving the story towards something far more substantial. The character at the center of the episode continues to have a lack of definition, and that takes something away from the episode as a whole. The subplot also falls somewhat short, leaving this a relatively average episode.

I enjoyed this episode, and I concur that the promos were misleading, which was a good thing. I don't agree that nothing really happened, and I think there were a lot of interesting little intrigues dropped by the writers.

Let's start with Locke. Obviously, something's changed for him. I don't believe for a second he's been brainwashed, but he certainly wants to learn more about the island, and he needs to be with the Others to do that. The fact that Ben was able to bring his Dad to the island has made Locke turn to them, at least for now. Nothing is ever as it seems on Lost. It was intriguing how Locke stated that he made a plea for Kate in trying to convince the Others that Kate was a good person, until "I found out what you did." Hmmm. A little judgemental, John. Either way, it seems that John is adopting the Other mantra of only the "good" can be with the Others. One little problem - No one on the island is all good.

Kate and Juliet: These two were really great. I like that the writers are writing two strong, intelligent, capable women. There was no whining or complaining in terms of hardship or danger when they were in the jungle. They sucked it up, dealt with whatever came their way, and moved on. I like that. I thought their conversations were intelligent. It wasn't crazy jealousy rambling, but honest, pointed dialogue. I thought it was noteworthy that when Juliet starting rattling off the personal details of Jack's life she never mentioned that she knew these things because she had a file on him. This left Kate to believe that Jack had confided this information to Juliet, which he didn't. He hasn't talked to anyone about anything about himself. Juliet is already manipulating. It's clear that these women don't like each other. Part of it may be Jack, part of it is their circumstances, part of it is that they are wise to each other.

Kate's FB: It thought it was pretty good. I enjoyed the interaction between her and Cassidy. Sawyer had a good woman there who was devoted to him. Dummy. As for Kate's mom, I don't sympathize with her at all. You don't turn your back on your child - EVER, and certainly not for a man (or a woman). Yes, Kate murdered her stepfather, but she was trying to protect her mother. An abusive person is an abusive person, and it's hard to just sit back and watch someone you love get brutalized.

Smokey: I'm glad the writers only give us a little bit of this monster. Otherwise, it wouldn't be fun when we see it. How can anyone say nothing happened? First of all, Kate SAW it! Not just a wisp in the jungle, but the whole doggone thing. Second, Juliet IS familiar with Smokey, and she knows some of it's habits and dislikes. Of course, she didn't elaborate - that's for later. Lastly, Mr. Smokie doesn't like sonar. Hmmmm. Does it interfere with its own sound or sonar? Intriguing.

Sawyer/Hurley: I thought this was the weakest part of the episode, but it wasn't terrible either. I think it's the writer's way of showing the audience that maybe Sawyer is ready to make some changes in his life. Maybe he is starting to truly grow close to something. Who knows. I did like that Hurley reminded Sawyer that Jack didn't want to be a leader either. It's a thankless job.

Jack and Kate: I don't think Jack did anything wrong to Kate after he woke up. Heck, the man didn't say anything. He wasn't rude or yelling. He was distant. That's to be expected. When Kate was crying that she was "so sorry," the audience knows it's about screwing up the plan and also about hurting him. However, Jack isn't aware that Kate knows he saw Sawyer and her together. So, her "sorry" for him is about getting off the island. He acknowledged it, and he let her help him get up. He wasn't cold or refusing her help. I think Jack was just frustrated that they were all the way back to square one in terms of no way off the island again. In his mind, there was a chance of rescue with the sub, and now they have nothing. I didn't take it that he blamed Kate at all. I think he wants to murder Locke.

Jack and Sayid: I am a little sorry that the writers never seem to allow these people to truly show deep friendship. I would have liked for Jack to thank Sayid for risking his life to come for him, but then again, the writers never show anyone thanking Jack either. It's an annoying little thing that the writers should correct in the future. It's okay to show a little guy-love and respect Lost writers!

Juilet leaving with them: This is a bit dicey. I think Juliet has an agenda. I don't believe that she "accidentally" got left behind. I also don't think that Jack is snowed by her. He is naturally suspicious of everything, and I think it's much smarter to bring her with them, with all of her years of knowledge of the island, rather than leave her behind. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Sayid already has those wheels spinning in his head.

I'm glad that Jack is heading back to the beach, and once again, the Losties will be a "family." Dysfunctional, yes, but still a family.

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The Good:
Cinematography. Would have given it a 6 if it wasn't for this. I don't know if it was just the settings on my computer but I was really pleased with the lighting and feel of the episode. After catching part of Exodus II earlier in the day on TV and being reminded of how good their camerawork used to be, it was nice not to be subjected to the usual substandard work of season 3.
Glad to see the Monster return, but it should have eaten them both. It was neat that it flashed white the first time--for what seemed liked Juliet--and then came at them all Black the second time. Locke's mysterious departure was also interesting.

The Bad:
The Monster and the fence. Everyone has already been pointing this out. It's inexcusable. If it can't jump over the fence, why can't it pick up a tree, lean it up against the pylon, and slide across. This is just stupid.
Kate's flashback: The connection with Cassy seemed really contrived. I liked it better when the connections were more subtle and less often, like Sawyer in Boone's flashback.
Kate and Juliet. I can't stand either one of these characters. The handcuffs were just a pathetic excuse to get them to fight in the mud.
The Beach Plot. This is really turning into a weekly episode of Hurley and Gang. Although entertaining on it's own, I don't want to watch this when I'm watching Lost. You can see how quickly the writers are running out of ideas.

I am confused why so many people liked this episode. I found it boring and noneventful. Virtually nothing was uncovered. And people are saying it was one of the best? weird. btw, I gave it a 6

Yeah isn't that strange? I gave it a ten as well and thought there was a lot going on. I liked it much better than last week's episode, which I rated a 5. Go figure hey?

Gave it a 6. It was just ok. Just wonder why Kate or Sayid didn't ask Juliette how she seemed to know everything about them and what the Others are all about.

One of my least fave epi's. I wanted Kate to kick Juliet's butt. Ha, just kidding! This show just made me mad. They would never take Juliet back to camp. That is reaching! She is so fake to me. Maybe I am wrong. We'll find out next week.
I was so glad to see Smokie. That was cool. Need to see what's "inside" that smoke.

Considering Kate is getting extremely on my nerves lately, I did not come into the episode with high expectations; but, they proved me wrong. Overall a very good episode. Them all just leaving was interesting and leaving Juliette is a little suspicious. Kate's flashback was, although not really anything we didn't already know about her (except the relationship with Cassy of course) was entertaining. I also enjoyed Hurley's little joke on Sawyer (even though I called it from the beginning)

I finally was able to watch this episode. Argh. Anyways, I gave it a 9. Pretty dang good. I thought the Sawyer stuff was fantastic. I thought the writers did a good job of making him likeable, but not come across as cheesy or losing his edge, which I thought he was earlier in the season.

The Juliet/Kate dynamic was great. I really like Juliet's character, but I do not trust her one bit. And Kate's violent outbursts were totally in character. I knew it wouldn't be a "cat fight" as some people were complaining about, so I was glad to see that it did make sense, especially for Kate's character. It's certainly not the first time she's smacked someone around. I thought it was interesting that she said "sorry" to Juliet after she dislocated her shoulder though. It's like she can't always be in control of her actions, like a child who has sporadic and violent tendencies. And I don't mean to say that Kate is child, just that I wonder if she has an imbalance of some sort.

It was a pretty good episode. Kate's flashback is definitely better than the previous one. Nice monster action.

I wonder what John and Juliet are up to.

I liked the episode.. It has some interesting details that we got to theorize here.
My favorite was TexaTushy Sawyer making amends. Halarious.. And juliette vs Kate figh Bad asss...

I thought it was a pretty solid LOST epi. 8. Liked the connection in the flashback and how Kate saved Sawyer's conned ex-girlfriend.

5, and I'm being generous. Not the intelligent, well-paced show I fell in love with. After Kate and Juliet bit the mud, I wanted to post a big fat one here. Sawyer's goofy attempt at being nice didn't help much. This trip to Othersville turned out to be quite anticlimatic, just another long tease until the season finale run.

Pretty good episode overall. We got some great Monster action, saw a purpose for the security fence, and we'll get to see more of Juliet.

On the other hand, while I liked the scenes with Sawyer and Hurley, the leadership lesson seemed kind of pointless as Jack is coming back in the next episode.

I gave it a six thanks to the stupid B Plot.

B-Plot was like a Saturday Morning Cartoon. We've had way too much Sawyer. He is the worst con man ever. Poker Jack, Bunny Ben, and Banish Him Hurley, all put the smackdown on Sawyer easily. The fish catching and fish gutting scenes were beyond ridiculous, and were overacted. And if they continue to change Sawyer into the "Conman with a heart of gold", he'll become unbearable to watch. It is snooze-worthy at its best. Give the rest of the beachies the B Plot.

Liked Smokey, Creepy Locke, and evilness Juliet. The Juliet and Kate stuff was pretty good, definitely better than the promo indicated. Juliet is working on a new plan for Ben. She's looking after #1, herself.

I too felt that it was bad writing that Smokey couldn't make it over the fence.

I don't know why, but the destruction in Jack's little house in Othersville looked like some massive struggle had taken place. I am wondering about Jack being brainwashed. Seems that Kate keeps talking about it, and the writers are keeping it in our minds. Perhaps Jack was taken to the Clockwork Orange room after the sub blew up. Jack certainly didn't seem too keen on going back to the beach and assumming the role of Lostie Leader again.

I gave it an 8 this week. Smokey was back and that's always a bonus. I thought the Kate/Juliet scenes were good, Juliet is such a liar. Poor Sawyer, Hurley always manages to get the best of him, like Jack used to when he was around. They're funny together. I hate Cassidy, and we saw a lot of her in this episode, so I'm only giving it an 8.

Had to give it a 6. IMO, it wasn't as exciting as the last few episodes this season. I liked the Hurley/Sawyer thing, and I liked the return of Smokey, but that was about it. The rest seemed kind of... Almost... Boring? By Lost standards, I mean. *shrug*

I've been thinking about how to rate this episode since Wednesday and finally gave it a 7. There was a bit of a cheesy feel to it.

-The chick fight reminded me of that superbowl commercial where the 2 babes are tussling in the fountain, wet and hair flying.

-Sawyer not knowing how to gut a fish? Every southern boy knows how to gut a fish. Even I know how to gut a fish and I'm a yankee gal from CT.

-Kate worried about poor Jack and his broken heart... hey Kate, when you were handcuffed to Juliette, ever think of asking her: who are you people, why are you on this island, what the heck is going on, etc. etc. etc.???

Yea, it was still fairly entertaining - just left me feeling indifferent.

Rated with a 6.

Loved it for the main plot.

But the B-plot was unimpressive and I could have done without the musical montage!

i gave it an 8.it was one of the best episodes in Lost so far,not just season 3.The dialogues were shockingly good,and we all know Damon is always up for a good laugh!i really enjoyed Left Behind.things are only getting weirder!!!

I almost forgot what I originally rated it after it aired. Gave it a seven.

Usually, when I look back at episodes, I tend to like them better the second time around. This one let me down a bit because Smokey is the scrawny kid in gym class who can't climb a fence even though two months ago he hung the Pilot up in a tree. I can't help it if it takes away from one of the better Kate episodes (except for the B plot; it was a little... embarrasing. OK. A lot!) and one of the better episodes of the season.

Seven it is.

I'm not a fan of the "OMG! OMG! Season 1 rules! *mod edit* why can't the show be more like season 1 again *mod edit*" school of thought (I think S1 is overrated) but still it was nice to see an eppie that could have been from that season. Loved this episode, a lot, gave it a 9.

Tee hee, Juliet and her damn sandwiches again. Great to see Juliet and Kate bond. Welcome to The Others, John, you're where you belong now, you never fit in with the rest of the 815 people. Loved seeing Cerberus doing its thing and getting blocked by the security perimeter--I've wondered why The Others don't go to the southern part of the Island much, we saw why. I'm loving the new, more subdued Jack; I was getting tired of all of the yelling. :)

I loved Kate's FB. I've always loved the scene in the hospital when her mom is wheeled out and starts croaking "Help! Help me!", it was nice to see the setup for that. Kate's mom smacked her down for her "I did it for you mom" stuff, hard, and deservedly so. Nice to see Cassidy again. And woah! what a hunk they cast as the tow-truck driver. :)

Lots of easter egg goodness too: the Mousetrap game, Kate's Cowboy Up hat, Juliet using 1623 as the code to block Cerberus etc.

I took off a point because the only regular who wasn't on was Ben. Boo! BOO! :mad:

Loved it! Kate is such an interesting character! and to have faced her Mommy Dearest and Jack all in one epi...

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I too felt that it was bad writing that Smokey couldn't make it over the fence.

I don't know why, but the destruction in Jack's little house in Othersville looked like some massive struggle had taken place. I am wondering about Jack being brainwashed. Seems that Kate keeps talking about it, and the writers are keeping it in our minds. Perhaps Jack was taken to the Clockwork Orange room after the sub blew up. Jack certainly didn't seem too keen on going back to the beach and assumming the role of Lostie Leader again.

Yeah, I forgot to note this in my review of the episode. I thought it was very interesting that Jack's "home" was a mess, as if a big fight had occurred. I mean, if you're going to gas Jack, just throw the canisters threw the window like they did to Kate. Why was there overturned furniture, smashed glass, and broken tables everywhere? That was a very interesting scene, and one I think we were meant to question.

As for Smokie not getting over the fence, I took that whole scene to mean that Smokie is almost like an unintelligent animal. It's agressive and dangerous, but perhaps not smart enough to detect the obvious. I mean, if you really take a look at what Smokie has done in past episodes, it basically smashes everything in sight. It tends to utilize brute force, but not necessarily intelligence.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

I loved this episode. Everything about it worked for me, from the Kate/ Juliet storyline, to the Sawyer story (so funny!) to the flashback. 9/10 for me. One of the best episodes of the season.

I loved this episode!!! Juliette is going to be a division between Jack and Sayid!! Maybe some *** kickin'

Yeah, I forgot to note this in my review of the episode. I thought it was very interesting that Jack's "home" was a mess, as if a big fight had occurred. I mean, if you're going to gas Jack, just throw the canisters threw the window like they did to Kate. Why was there overturned furniture, smashed glass, and broken tables everywhere? That was a very interesting scene, and one I think we were meant to question.

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im guessing because Jack was either trying to escape and was in a state of panic(hence the broken paraphernalia)or had a fight with whoever threw the canister.Or with the special someone who paid him a visit before the gas attack!!!!LOcke maybe?

I gave the episode a 6.

I don't know why but for a lost episode im usually giving it all my concentration and having no distractions in the room, for this episode I wasn't as drawn to episodes as I usually am :undecide:

We were force fed another pretty useless Kate flashback. I just didn't get the whole Cassidy/Kate friendship it seemed very forced just to tie in another connection to Sawyer.

The on island action reminded me of Shannon and Boone in hearts and minds. The two of them bickering and then the monster chased them.

It was nice to see Claire be involved a good bit in an episode thats not her own.

Liked Juliet in this episode and it leads good into next week.

We were force fed another pretty useless Kate flashback. I just didn't get the whole Cassidy/Kate friendship it seemed very forced just to tie in another connection to Sawyer.

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i actually really liked the chemistry between them too.Phenomenically ''strong'' women kicking it together

I liked the flashbacks of Kate. Her meeting Cassidy is cool but not THAT interesting. I feel somewhat like the writers are just trying to connect people any way possible now, but it doesn't bother me much.

loved the metaphor of the kate and cassidy thing versus the kate+juliet chicks on chains. has anyone noticed locke's eyes in the game room? same in season 1 during the backgammon game! i keep looking for easter eggs but can't quite see 'em.

though here's my questions:
1. what do you think about the arrangement of mailboxes behind the marshall outside kate's mother's house? they are not alphabetically arranged. is there something in here?
2. i pity juliet. i mean, when they all head to the camp, she will be judged by the castaways. but i think that would make more tension. i can see great scenes now.
3. can they all live in the village instead and move from the beach?

can't wait for the next ep!

Just got around to watching it and I hated it. The girls argue over Jack. Smokie can't get over the fence. Pointless flashback and another meaningless connection. Can this show get any stupider?

I liked it and rated it a 9. Juliet is one of my favorite characters, and I thought it funny when Hurley conned Sawyer.

Just got around to watching it and I hated it. The girls argue over Jack. Smokie can't get over the fence. Pointless flashback and another meaningless connection.

ITA. After rewatching it three times I still think it's a very bad episode. Girls' fight, girls' in the mud, girls' getting wet, what's that? a little boy fantasy? And what happened to the smart con man Sawyer? who's next to con him, Vincent? Lamest B story ever.


Can this show get any stupider?

I'm afraid yes.
I seriously consider to quit watching this show :( ,there's no pleasure watching anymore.

ITA. After rewatching it three times I still think it's a very bad episode. Girls' fight, girls' in the mud, girls' getting wet, what's that? a little boy fantasy? And what happened to the smart con man Sawyer? who's next to con him, Vincent? Lamest B story ever.


hahahaha!!!That d be rad!
But,its not far fetched if you think of it.It only sheds more light to Sawyers psyche.Swayer is not the cold blooded conman some of us believe him to be.He s a lost soul,a really sensitive man.Do you really think people who act like they dont need others or give a damn,estranging themeselves and trying to hide their feelings by acting tough,are bad people or really tough?thats the most cliche story ever..some people in order to keep themseves safe from hurting ,they tend to put on a cold shiny impenetratable armor of emptiness and guile ,than seeming vulnerable for others to harm.But unfortunately,these are the people who bond more with others,who need them more and connect more.Its really sad.sawyer is not a smart,emotion free conman but a wounded child always saying the opposite to what he really means.
forgot to add IMHO!:blah:

B storyline was "Meh"ish considering I thought Hurley was basically temporary leader...

Really enjoyed the flashback, didn't really think it was filler.

Main story was good a lot better than previous weeks.

The main reasons why it got 8 and not 10 were:
main one -Not enough character development, would of hoped Kate anf Kuliet would of reach an understanding by the end
- B storyline wasn't the best
- Still felt like TPTB are caving in to fan pressure and not suprising us anymore...

i got around to watching it on the weekend - was pretty sick for most of last week.

i gave it a generous 7....prolly should have given it a 6, but i kind of enjoyed the back and forth banter between Hurley and Sawyer. It made me laugh a few times.

The Juliet / Kate romp through the jungle was pretty boring
sure they were chased by smokey
but COME ON.....the losties were smart enough to go OVER the fence,
yet this highly technologically advanced machine is not?
And their back and forth banter was a lot less entertaining.

Also, in the flashbacks.....why the heck was Kate so open with this absolute stranger about the terrible things she did in her past?
She so easily told what's her name about killing Wayne and why she was in Iowa :34853_huh:
She is usually so tight lipped, but with this strange - and obvious con woman (selling the fake jewelry) - she just pours her heart out?

not one of the best, that is for sure

And what happened to the smart con man Sawyer? who's next to con him, Vincent? Lamest B story ever.
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No way. The lamest B story ever would be if Hurley found a van in the jungle, got it running with the help of his gang, drank some ancient beer, and started driving it around the Island. Oh, wait... Left Behind certainly takes second place though.

I realky liked this episode. It wasnt the best though, more middle because my expectations for lost are so great! But after about 5 FANTASTIC episodes, i cant complain!

I didnt like this epi at all except for the whole hurley/sawyer thing which was funny. didn't like kate in it and the flashback wasnt great.

Loved it! I always like Sawyer and Hurley together. They're funny. I liked the fact that Hurley conned Sawyer and got away with it. ;)

I quite liked this episode. A little bit more 'classic Lost' :)

Liked:
Juliet flipping Kate. That was cool. Where'd the Others learn to fight like that?
Smokey (and his polaroid camera, lol)
Kate's flashback - wasn't a bad one, I thought. Not usually a fan, but this one was ok. If only Cassidy had said 'Sawyer'!
Creepy Locke - what's going on?
Sayid lives! Yay! :biggrin:
The Hurley/Sawyer story - didn't mind it. It was slightly lame but still amusing to watch.

Didn't like:
Idiot Jack - wake up and smell the coffee, buddy! The Others are bad :eek2:
Smokey getting stopped by the fence. That was just stupid after we saw Kate climbing over it. Wonder how they'll explain that one?
The mud scene - whatever :confused:


My favourite line this week came (surprisingly) from Juliet (who is fast becoming my favourite character):

Kate: How's your shoulder?
Juliet: Awesome.

Made me giggle :rolleyes:

I think it was a great episode, but I only gave it an 8 b/c it didn't have the shock effect that some episodes have. But still a great episode.

I liked this episode. Hurley making Sawyer be nice was pretty funny.

Enjoyed the episode. Kate and Juliet were great. Flashbacks were good too, more pre island connections!

A great episode, nine in my book. I loved Hurley's manipulation of Sawyer--it was too funny! I was also pretty impressed by Juliet's ability to throw someone over her shoulder. The Juliet/Kate dynamics were interesting. I found the flashbacks frustrating, just because I feel like even if you love someone, something is wrong with your relationship if they come home and beat someone. It makes what Kate did seem rash (I think it was anyways). Also loved the ending (I love Lost partially because they know how to end an eppy).

it's one of my favourite episodes so far!
hurley and sawyer made me laugh :biggrin:
flashback was cool too, because we've got more connections and smokie is a little bit dumb because it's not flying over the fence ;)
Juliet is awesome ^^

We have a revelation about the Monster in this episode. Leaving us to believe that maybe the sonic fence was not only to keep out the Hostiles, but many other "strange" inhabitants of the island
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