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No, I didn't love it; I didn't even like it. I'm fed up with flashbacks. There is enough going on in the present that flashbacks for characters such as Kate, Jack, Locke and Sayid are overkill. Yep, so we found out Sawyer's last girlfriend really was pregnant. Uh-huh. And that she and Kate met. More karma. Uh-huh. I guess soon we'll find out that they have all met each other at one time or another. Six degrees of separation.

I'm really annoyed with CTV that they don't show previews for the next week anymore.

There was very little advancement of the story. Why did the Others leave? Why is the monster after Kate and Juliet? (and really - I'm sure the monster could have gone over the fence when Juliet turned it on).

I'm really hoping I can stick with Lost to the bitter end just to hopefully learn more about the important things. But really, the rest of this season, more filler crap in season 4, and probably MORE filler crap for most of season 5 until they wrap it up in the last 2 episodes with more questions than answers.

And to think - I used to be a real die-hard Lost fan. Colour me disillusioned. ;>(

Yes, I didn't love it. Yes, I'm Canadian, and I've already seen the episode. I'm tired. I'm tired of the runaround that the writers figure they can pull whenever they are in a tight spot with the storylines. Uh...like what on earth happened to Locke's father? There was a nice little cliffhanger 2 weeks ago and this week I was hoping it would get resolved. Instead all we get is Locke telling Kate that he's leaving with the Others. Excuse me? WRITERS, HELLO! You are missing the "how to". Like "How to get from point A to point B. You're missing that. There was absolutely no resolution with that storyline. Writers, get your act in gear, will ya? And now Locke, it seems, is on his way out. First Mr. Echo and now Locke. What are you writers doing? ***Mod edited*** Know this: Remove Locke, remove half your audience. Period. Anyway. Lost is lost. 'Nough said.

I completely agree with the first two posts. Filler on the beach, smokey over the invisible electric fence, Locke's father, nowhere flashbacks, etc. etc. etc. Come on, we are die hard fans or we wouldn't still be here, and we deserve more. Very dissapointing. nuf said.

This show continues its nose-dive down to the depths. Let's see how redundant we can make one episode:

1) ooooooh, the others are mysterious and do odd things with no explanation
2) losties do not ask appropriate questions at appropriate times
3) kate runs and is let down by people

Wow, those writers sure know how to write a fresh and compelling story line. For good measure, we threw in some Juliet/Kate mud wrestling action. Hopefully that appeals to the lowest common denominator of the viewing audience and keeps the ratings from continuing to slide.

Every week this show drives me further away. I didn't even watch this week, just had it on in the background while I did other stuff. I remember the day I would hang onto every word and would sit on the edge of my seat.

Iam seriously fed up with Lost. Iam tired of waiting a week to be fed even more crap i wont find the answers to the following week. Iam officialy not watching it live on TV anymore. Im going to D/l the episodes of the internet. And im not gonna d/l them the following week becuase... well i told you why. Iam gonna just wait untill the end of the seasons, that way i can get all the episodes at once, watch them all and "NOT" know what is going on. No TV ratings from me anymore!

And..a PROFESSIONAL CON MAN having to be told HOW to get in good with someone??? Is this not what he does for a living? Can he not figure out how to sweet talk Claire without Hurley helping him??

And the flashback?? The point? Kate is running, the marshal is chasing, she tries to see her mother again? The only point was her being matched up with Cassidy..and to what end? If she told her Sawyer's name there would have been a point to it...it made no sense other than to give us yet another connection.

Jack being out for...what...24 hours? And all it takes if for Kate to say.."It's me??" Kate and Juliet thrashing around in the jungle? Kate having one of her former captors HANDCUFFED to her and totally at her mercy...and all she wants to know is if Jack said she broke her heart....GAH!!!!

And..a PROFESSIONAL CON MAN having to be told HOW to get in good with someone??? Is this not what he does for a living? Can he not figure out how to sweet talk Claire without Hurley helping him??

And the flashback?? The point? Kate is running, the marshal is chasing, she tries to see her mother again? The only point was her being matched up with Cassidy..and to what end? If she told her Sawyer's name there would have been a point to it...it made no sense other than to give us yet another connection.

Jack being out for...what...24 hours? And all it takes if for Kate to say.."It's me??" Kate and Juliet thrashing around in the jungle? Kate having one of her former captors HANDCUFFED to her and totally at her mercy...and all she wants to know is if Jack said she broke her heart....GAH!!!!


Well said. It's really just more of the same.

Characters defy common sense and don't ask relevant questions. And now we have Locke making mysterious and ambiguous statements like the Others? Great.

Flashbacks repeat what we already know, add little or are pointless filler. How many times were we told that Sawyer was a con man? And yet he doesn't know how to get in someone's good graces? That reminds me of being told constantly how Kate runs when she's in trouble yet she failed to walk out of an open cage.

Kate and Juliet are handcuffed together and Juliet has the key? Juliet says Ben likes to play games? So... he handcuffs them together and puts the key in Juliet's pocket? It seems to me that it was just something TPTB thought was "cool" so they made up a lame excuse for it to happen. There's one contrived situation after another on this show.

And how is it that people can climb the fence but the smoke monster is stopped cold like Daffy Duck sitting a brick wall?

I wish there was a "neutral" thread... We've been asking for that for two years, but they don't want to make that a sticky. That's where I'd be.

The pro's: The flashback wasn't horrible (like Jack's in Thailand). But hopefully this will be the last Kate flashback. It's run its course. No more Kate-backs.

Also, we did have the ensemble cast, which was lacking early in season 3.

Interesting analogies (Cassidy and Juliet both betrayed, left behind; Jack and Kate's mother -- Kate did a favor for each, and it backfired badly both times).

The bad: NO mention of Locke's father!!! I'm assuming they're deliberately keeping us waiting.

Also, more talk from the Others (of whom Locke is now one?) that is just gobbly-gook.

hated it, of course. the way the writers are feeding us with the damn fillers is getting ridiculous. I can imagine what crap awaits us in season four and five. why wouldn't they just wrap it all up in season 3, unfold the mystery, get over it and proceed with writing some new stuff. kate's flashback - are u kidding me :confused: the whole thing over again :frown: thumbs down, TPTB, me no longer a lost fan

You'd usually be hard pressed to get me to post in the "Didn't Love It" thread, but when the epi was over, I turned and asked my wife, "So what happened?" Nothing. No advancement. Locke is up to something. Wow. Jack is on his way back to the Losties. Hmm...never saw that coming.

And..a PROFESSIONAL CON MAN having to be told HOW to get in good with someone??? Is this not what he does for a living? Can he not figure out how to sweet talk Claire without Hurley helping him??

Jack being out for...what...24 hours? And all it takes if for Kate to say.."It's me??"

Good points, Baileysdad. I was so bummed by the episode I didn't even think of it rationally. Sometimes I watch LOST and don't even realize the obvious.

And how is it that people can climb the fence but the smoke monster is stopped cold like Daffy Duck sitting a brick wall?

No kidding. Isn't this the same smoke monster that put the pilot FAR up in a tree? I didn't measure it myself, but I'm pretty sure that the pilot was higher than the height of the fence. Hey, sentient smoke monster - go over the friggin' sonic fence! You're a smoke monster! Or shimmy up the concrete column!

It felt like another throw away episode. I know we learned some interesting tidbits - the Others control the fence, the Others know about smokey but need to keep him out, John went somewhere with them - but the execution seemed clunky. Expose was better written.

And what was up with that crap on the beach? Hurley makes Sawyer be nice to people - again. To help Sawyer be the beach leader - for half an episode. Waste of tme!

So... wait... did Juliet drag Kate out into the jungle and then put on the handcuffs? Or did Juliet wake up next to Kate in the jungle and then put on the handcuffs?

Because if it was the former, Juliet could have simply walked around and found Jack. If it was the latter, she could have told Kate THE TRUTH (I know! Right?), and if Kate didn't believe her, she could have, you know, just followed her! What was going to happen? Kate was unarmed! Was she going to outrun Juliet?

(Also, pssssst, Juliet: A good way to get someone to believe that you're "in it together" is to... not antagonize her with stories about how she supposedly broke her love interest's heart!!)

I actually thought that the Others handcuffed Kate and Juliet together, but that Juliet just happened to have the key in her pocket. I know, it sounds silly, but think of the alternative!

Also, "loved" that it took Jack all day to wake up and that Sayid just moseyed on over all, "Hey."

I didn't necessarily hate it, but can we call it quits with the backstories that just rehash things we already know? Hurley and Kate's recent backstories didn't tell us anything new, and smelled yet again of filler. We KNOW Hurley is unlucky, we KNOW Kate was betrayed by her mother. Those stories were told and told well. Additionally, unless the connection between Cassidy and Kate is going somewhere relevant, the role of Cassidy in Kate's story might as well have been played by any other actor. There was no point to her presence beyond, "ooh, look who it is!" Looking forward to next week's Juliet-centric episode, which will no doubt tell a new story...

Better than last week, but it simply provides further evidence that Lost is slowly devolving into a soap opera. At this rate, Lost should be moved to daytime by Season 4.

This was actually the first episode I've watched since the break. I was basically done with the show after what I thought was a pathetic first half to season 3. I turned it on last night out of boredom more than anything and man o man, I see the show has slipped even further. I was hoping that maybe I would see something that would rekindle my interest in this once great show but no, there was none of the magic that made the first season (and some of the second season) some of the finest television I've seen. Oh well, I guess I'm just one of the many who have stopped watching.

"I didn't necessarily hate it, but can we call it quits with the backstories that just rehash things we already know? Hurley and Kate's recent backstories didn't tell us anything new, and smelled yet again of filler. We KNOW Hurley is unlucky, we KNOW Kate was betrayed by her mother. "

I agree. Which is why I didn't mind Nikki and Paulo so much. New people means new backstories.

As for this episode - there just seemed to be a lot of credibility stretching. Maybe this will be explained later, but the Others don't seem to mind killing people. Why would they have left Jack, Kate and Sayid there to recover and plot against them?

And Juliet staging the handcuffs? What was the point of that again? Why didn't she just get Jack to help her?

I'd have to add also that I am very burned out on cons, mindgames and lies at this point. They have been used incessantly this season. I'd like to see the writers get away from that tactic... if only for a little while.

I'd have to add also that I am very burned out on cons, mindgames and lies at this point. They have been used incessantly this season. I'd like to see the writers get away from that tactic... if only for a little while.

Yeah. I'm kind of tired of that whole theme. It even stretches back to the middle of last season with the Henry/Ben are followed up by Michael's deception. The main problem with overusing "deception,' is that now the audience can't really trust anything anyone says. Unless, we have confirmation from a podcast or an interview with TPTB.

The more characters that are shown to be adept at lying the more confusing the show gets, because ultimately I really don't believe anything Juliet said in this whole episode. In that sense I guess "deception" has been a constant for a while. But to what end? The various "cons" and Ben's need to have people "want to be here" seem like overly elaborate ploys that serve as yet another layer of detours toward the final answers of the show.

I thought it was an ok episode but HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED in the past 3 months, and several people are MISSING and the red shirts are having a pig roast?

Now come on.

HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED in the past 3 months, and several people are MISSING and the red shirts are having a pig roast?

Now come on.

Ha! That's funny!

So... wait... did Juliet drag Kate out into the jungle and then put on the handcuffs? Or did Juliet wake up next to Kate in the jungle and then put on the handcuffs?

Because if it was the former, Juliet could have simply walked around and found Jack. If it was the latter, she could have told Kate THE TRUTH (I know! Right?), and if Kate didn't believe her, she could have, you know, just followed her! What was going to happen? Kate was unarmed! Was she going to outrun Juliet?

(Also, pssssst, Juliet: A good way to get someone to believe that you're "in it together" is to... not antagonize her with stories about how she supposedly broke her love interest's heart!!)

I actually thought that the Others handcuffed Kate and Juliet together, but that Juliet just happened to have the key in her pocket. I know, it sounds silly, but think of the alternative!

Also, "loved" that it took Jack all day to wake up and that Sayid just moseyed on over all, "Hey."

I am similarly confused --- I didn't get it.

So, Juliet dragged Kate into the jungle and handcuffed her -- why? Huh? Didn't Kate just end up hating her anyway and Jack was her ticket to the Losties beach anyway?

Why go through all the lies and drama needlessly?

Oh, wait, I forgot who writes this series (TPTB) and why (to eat up time).

Two episodes in a row of jarring filler. We still have no continuation of the Locke/Locke's Dad cliff-hanger from three episodes ago.

Cutsey Sawyer for the ladies?

Kate/Juliette cat-fights and mud wrestling for the perceived fanoby audience?

And why in the world aren't the Losties about to take over the Others now-abandoned village?????

It's not even a fair fight anymore. It's like TPTB have thrown in the towel, acknowledged their writing pointless filler with nonsensical "plots", and aren't even trying to cover it up or defend it anymore.


I literally don't understand what was supposed to be happening last night.

All good points on the episode being bad. I wasn't too impressed. Not one thing happened this hour that moved the story forward. Everything that did happen could have happened in 10 minutes. Everyone woke up talked to Julia and Kate about where everyone was, and leave....done!

And I was pissed on the fact that they were not even considering using the village as a new home base. Hello, running water, electricity, rec room, seperate accomedations, and a fence to protect them from Smokey??

But then the end of the episode Sayid was alive, and I was all happy. Plus next week sounds interesting, and

The episode was OK at best. Well the Island stuff was anyway. Flashback was totally useless, it showed us what exactly?

Let me guess; Johnny the mechanic will show up in Juliet's flashback next week?

The writers are trying a little too hard to be mysterious when there is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED TO BE!. Why the big mystery regarding Juliet being handcuffed to Kate?

I can understand when you guys dont reveal too much stuff about the monster or Dharma etc. But seriously what was so hard about showing us if Juliet was a willing or non willing participant? It sure as hell aint going to change our opinion about her! This episode could of seriously been trimmed down to fit a 30 minute time slot...just like most episodes this season.

this episode did nothing for me.
it was the same "been there, seen that, done that..."

no new information was revealed but more
lies from the same liars - the same frustration
with the characters and their words and actions.


i don't think i have every seen a tv show with
so many liars, lies, cons, cons on cons,
retro-cons, mysteries, misdirections, red herrings,
obtuse characters, [ feel free to add your comments here... ]

and as proof, most of the posts and threads
on this forum are either pure spectulation or
interpolation* or just plain guessing.

couple that with having to go online
to complement and at times supplement
the program, no wonder so many people
have left the show.

if i have to keep second guessing
the characters along with their words and actions,
then i have to ask myself:

1. why do i continue to watch?
2. are we the viewers being conned?
3. is this entertainment?
4. is this worth watching?
5. [ insert your question here... ]

bottom line: for me the "lost bubble"
is about to pop and when that happens
i know i could not care less.

and i am caring less and less with
each passing episode.



* interpolation = putting meaning into a text,
or plot that is not there.
the opposite of interpretation
which is to take meaning out of a text or plot.

And why in the world aren't the Losties about to take over the Others now-abandoned village?????


I thought the exact same thing when Jack said something about taking what they could and leaving. Do they really need to live on the beach under tarps held up by sticks now? What is their plan exactly? What are they doing? Are they waiting on that small stretch of beach for a boat to sail up? Seriously, what the hell are they thinking? There's no SOS signal, no signal that could be seen by a plane overhead... WHAT ARE THEY DOING?

These people are a big group of idiots. Even Gilligan's Island had smarter castaways.

I didn't hate the episode but it didn't make me feel that "Lost is getting better".

So actuallly a lostie and an Other (though left behind) are handcuffed to each other. Kate, who was basically the prisoner of the Others a few days ago, does not ask Juliet anything about the captivity/Others in two days. I can understand that the writers do not want to give answers but avoiding "logical communication" for that (may be the only consistent pattern in the show) is a big flaw. I really wonder how they will go with Juliet, another Other with knowledge at the hands of the Losties...

I'm really fed up with beach stories centering around Sawyer who is losing his edge within themes of romance and comedy. Why do Losties need to turn to Sawyer for leadership?? There are supposed to be around 40 people at the beach. We are made to believe that just because the writers use 5 main characters and 4 of them are not at the beach, the only choice for leadership is the 5th main character, a con man??? This is such a bad plot. Hurley's comment to Sawyer about him making people forget that they are screwed was ironic as no one at the beach look stressed at all. There is nothing to forget as they don't seem to remember anything.

Kate and Juliet rolled around and fought, got their t-shirts soaked through, and then got covered in mud. Was this episode written by frat boys?

After five strong episodes in a row (yes, I enjoyed the N and P episode) this one felt contrived.

I laughed off almost everything in this episode.

I really wonder how they will go with Juliet, another Other with knowledge at the hands of the Losties...
But that bit was quite interesting. If Juliet turns up at the Beach Camp, is ANYONE going to ask her who 'the Others' are, wtf they are playing at, and why in hell they didn't help the plane crash survivors get off the island and go home?
"This is not your island. This is our island. And the only reason you're living on it is because we let you live on it".
"We don't want to live on your freakin' island! We want to get off this craphole! Just show us how and you won't see us for dust!"

Now that Juliet is no longer one of 'Them', I'd force her to decide if she wants to be one of 'Us'. Best way to prove she's not one of 'Them' is give the Losties some answers.

So you'd think the writers would be forced into making Juliet provide some plot exposition.
But then all Sayid said was "She's not coming". I guess that's a sign they'll duck the issue. Again. :thmbdown:

:grin:


No kidding. Isn't this the same smoke monster that put the pilot FAR up in a tree? I didn't measure it myself, but I'm pretty sure that the pilot was higher than the height of the fence. Hey, sentient smoke monster - go over the friggin' sonic fence! You're a smoke monster! Or shimmy up the concrete column!

HAHAHA :) Seriously, if it can't jump over the fence it can definitely rip up a tree from the ground, lean it against the pylon, and balance itself all the way over there 5 inches above the sonic blast. But wait, that just sounds silly. Just like it did when Kate crossed it.

the episode was bad because it could've been greatly condensed. We are not being given enough per episode here, the last episode being total filler, and this one being semi filler is getting to be ridiculous.

The half story about the losties on the beach was worthless and the flashback was worthless. They need to start putting out some real episodes. And lately I've noticed the only good flashbacks are the ones that flashback to the island.

I thought the ep was OK, but I'm posting in the hating thread because the flashbacks were terrible. The worst ever featured on Lost. EVER.

I just cant understand how the losties don't seem to be interested in finding out whats actually happening, they will sit there for days in captivity, be handcuffed to an other, or have one as a prisoner they will always either ask no questions at all or all the wrong questions ('how is juliet' FFS who cares) and when they get a typical lost answer such as "its complicated" (what a cop out that is eh - lazy writing) they never push for answers. You'd almost forget they are stranded and a group of weird researchers have been killing a heap of them. Its very VERY unbelieveable, I mean how many people have died and the rest just sit around fishing or sunbathing. What happened to the 'army' they were going to form? Oh my bad, they had other things to do like roll a van down a hill and have various characters look distressed while that soap opera theme plays.

I just cant understand how the losties don't seem to be interested in finding out whats actually happening, they will sit there for days in captivity, be handcuffed to an other, or have one as a prisoner they will always either ask no questions at all or all the wrong questions ('how is juliet' FFS who cares) and when they get a typical lost answer such as "its complicated" (what a cop out that is eh - lazy writing) they never push for answers. You'd almost forget they are stranded and a group of weird researchers have been killing a heap of them. Its very VERY unbelieveable, I mean how many people have died and the rest just sit around fishing or sunbathing. What happened to the 'army' they were going to form? Oh my bad, they had other things to do like roll a van down a hill and have various characters look distressed while that soap opera theme plays.


That's what annoys me the most. Why on earth aren't they asking the right questions??? What's with the lists? Why take Claire? Why take Walt? Why does nobody ask them these questions?

Argh. I'm gonna go throw myself out of a window now.

Thought the episode had good points, but here's the list of badness:

- Smoky getting over the fence. Seems ludicrous right now, but maybe it'll be explained later

- Kate meeting up with whatshername who was conned by Sawyer. Just don't believe the writers had that planned since season 1 or 2. Think they just felt like putting that in, and I don't see how it adds anything, it just makes these connections outside the island seem ridiculous. However, again, maybe that will all get explained

- Kate doesn't ask Juliet "WHY DID YOU HAVE ME IN THAT CAGE AND STUFF". She does comment on it a bit, but doesn't specifically ask for the reason

- Nobody thinks of using the Other's camp to live in, as other people have said, there are lots of good reasons to stay

- Nobody seems to care about where Danielle went, unless I missed something. I assume she went with the Others.

- Don't understand why Juliet stayed handcuffed to Kate. When she woke up, Kate had a knife to her. Surely it would have made sense to then uncuff and split up. Plus, Juliet had kept Kate in a cage, she would imagine she'd get an her head kicked in, it seems just too dangerous to be near Kate

- Jack gives the order that Jules is coming with them. Nonsensical. I am hoping that Sayid and Sawyer take matters into their own hands and either execute Juliet, or at least put her in a cage. Jack has lost his mind if he thinks it's sensible to keep Juliet either alive or with them.

The only scenario I can come up with is Juliet faked her being gassed, had Kate removed from the Barracks and handcuffed to her because she wanted Kate to take her back to the beach. That's why she even tried to dissuade Kate from going back to get Jack, and why she had the key. Unfortunately for her, that resulted in her dislocated shoulder and the unexpected arrival of Smokey.

However, that is a very illogical plan and still leaves me scratching my head as to her motive because it was a$$ backwards. Kate would never have vouched for her like Jack would have, and Jack and Sayid would have made it back to the beach eventually, maybe a day behind them. So my reasoning goes out the window.

I don't hate this show, but I don't love it either. I have made my peace with the fact that the show I use to love is no more and Im just trying to be entertained (Expose was clever, I will give them that, except I realized Nikki said "paralyzed" from the get go) , but they make it difficult to do even that when they throw in these nonsensical story elements just so they can achieve a neat visual (girl fight, mudwrestling, Smokey attack). So now the Smoke Monster can't scale an 8 foot fence either?

Oh yeah, I predict Juliet will disappear in quicksand very soon...she has answers and an upcoming flashback...the kiss of death on this show.

The writers have written themselves into a corner with The Others - what made them so powerful was the mystery and what do we get - lego houses, weird box things, tv screen. So now the dynamic trio + guest have left lego land and headed back up to the beach.
This was an improvement on last week - which is little to boast about - but for once I found Kate's flashback drug-inducingly dull. Again with the explain it to a two year old scenes: 'What did you do Lucy wink wink?' ' Well my step-father was a bad man, I pulled out a pipe, 3mm in diameter and filled the room with gas and then lit a lighter and then tied my shoes and ran out the house and killed him.' Hmm yes a very realistic conversation there - explained with the sly hand of skilled writers. Where is the subtletyb? it really isn't that difficult. TPTB seem in such a rush to 'please' fans and re-inflate their egos that they are trolleying out badly constructed episodes that seem to be littered with things that 'hmmm will make the fans love us again.' Give them ensemble, give them baby, give them girls mud wrestling [although Kate's punch did rock], give them the monster.

And I wont even delve into the pathetic Sawyer hammy comedy romp. Sawyer is not a nice guy - he is not a funny guy. The writer's dont seem to know their characters very well anymore..nor their viewing public.

As to Juliet and handcuffs - I figured Juliet handcuffed herself to Kate because she knew if Kate woke up and just saw her 'unattached and all' she would tell Juliet where to go. But I dont get why Juliet didnt want to go back for Jack....makes no sense since as soon as she saw Jack she went all doe eyed and logically follows he is the only one who would take her back and look after her since he is the only one dumb enough to trust her. Not to smart to think Kate would take her alone.

My two cents:

Can't take any more of the Kate, Jack and Sawyer emphasis.

The pacing: it slows down to a crawl whenever we have focus on the others storyline. Suddenly scenes become longer, music steps in to fill the spaces, and words are miles apart (and when they do come, they are plot-forced). It hapened on the x-files (long shots of office furniture with Snow's synth in the background) when they ran out of ideas. It felt like 30 minute scripts fleshed out to 42 minutes. And what's worse, they have so many great characters, that this should be inexcusable. Take Par Avion. I found the pacing and character screen time there to be beyond exceptional. They can do it, yet they choose not to, wether for time, convinience, or money... I don't know. And the flashbacks... I stopped enjoying them sometime around season 2, and they haven't gotten better.

I was so looking forward to a Sayid/Ben scene (like Eko/Benry in season 2)... a comment.... a look.... anything to add emotional depth to the storyline (Love is not the only emotion out there). All we got was Kate and Juliet... in the mud.

I completely agree with the first two posts. Filler on the beach, smokey over the invisible electric fence, Locke's father, nowhere flashbacks, etc. etc. etc. Come on, we are die hard fans or we wouldn't still be here, and we deserve more. Very dissapointing. nuf said.

Yup. :frown:

I just cant understand how the losties don't seem to be interested in finding out whats actually happening, they will sit there for days in captivity, be handcuffed to an other, or have one as a prisoner they will always either ask no questions at all or all the wrong questions ('how is juliet' FFS who cares) and when they get a typical lost answer such as "its complicated" (what a cop out that is eh - lazy writing) they never push for answers. You'd almost forget they are stranded and a group of weird researchers have been killing a heap of them. Its very VERY unbelieveable, I mean how many people have died and the rest just sit around fishing or sunbathing. What happened to the 'army' they were going to form? Oh my bad, they had other things to do like roll a van down a hill and have various characters look distressed while that soap opera theme plays.


This is precisely why lost is just terrible now.

The writers want the viewers to forget that these people are stranded on a deserted island. Their motivations would be to do anything to get off the island, or make their lives better, or more livable - through intelligence.

But given every opportunity to gain intelligence - the losties refuse - bar none - and continue to be ignorant. Its every single episode, 3 and 4 times an episode. Take just this past one for an example:

1. Kate is handcuffed to Juliet for at least 12 hours. Does she ask her anything important? No. Could Juliet provide information that could help Kate? Of course. But instead they talk about Jack and broken hearts. Please.

2. Kate Jack Sayid and Juliet are at the others base camp with no one around. They have been away from the beach for weeks - why not spend one more day opening every drawere and looking in to every nook and cranny for info? Why would sayid want to leave the only information piece (juliet) behind? Isnt he a torturer to get info? Doesnt he see the value of juliet?

3. The beach crowd in every single episode sits around and has picnics. Meanwhile, there are hatches on the island. There are other unexplored things on the island. Wouldnt they spend some time attempting to make their lives better instead of sitting around telling jokes?

Every answer as to why they wouldnt be getting more info is contrived or like you say they write it off by saying its "complicated".

The challenge of writing a good show is to make it interesting and believable. The writeres of lost are not skilled enough to make the characters smart and also keep their story line - instead they choose to cheat by making the characters totally moronic in order to tell their story. They are not able to do both - and doing both is what makes great story telling.

I think this episode just didn't give me enough. The flashbacks, I think, meant nothing and added nothing. The whole storyline with Sawyer trying to make nice added nothing.

As fas as I am concerned, this show is just over for me. I am no longer in a hurry to watch new episodes nor am I even interested much in coming to talk about what happened or even anticipate what will happen next.

I still watch Lost. I know that last sentence might be a surprise to many of you considering that my love affair with Lost had ended last year. I enjoy watching this show because I can have it in the background on my desktop as I do real work. Sometimes, though, it does grip my attention--but that doesn't happen very often. Sometimes it's a scene and sometimes it's a line of dialogue. But this episode, it was one scene that gripped my attention. Of course it could have been an incredibly life-altering experience of a scene. Not this time around. You guessed it. It really was the cat-fight between Kate and Julet. Gosh, that was a good fight. And yes, I do happen to agree with the poster that that particular scene was written by a couple of frat boys. Who else could have come up with such an original situation for a couple of girls stranded on an island? Just magic! Anyway, I wish Baywatch was back on TV. Now that was a truly gripping show.

I just cant understand how the losties don't seem to be interested in finding out whats actually happening, they will sit there for days in captivity, be handcuffed to an other, or have one as a prisoner they will always either ask no questions at all or all the wrong questions ('how is juliet' FFS who cares) and when they get a typical lost answer such as "its complicated" (what a cop out that is eh - lazy writing) they never push for answers. You'd almost forget they are stranded and a group of weird researchers have been killing a heap of them. Its very VERY unbelieveable, I mean how many people have died and the rest just sit around fishing or sunbathing. What happened to the 'army' they were going to form? Oh my bad, they had other things to do like roll a van down a hill and have various characters look distressed while that soap opera theme plays.

I liked this episode, & certainly didnt hate it. That was partly because I wasnt looking forward to this ep after the Pikki idiotics & partly because I have lowered my expectations with Lost (& that says a lot).

But I have to agree with you there. That was 1 MAJOR point that kept poking me. But then arent we all habituated with Losties not asking any of the important questions when they actually have a decent chance of an answer?

I still cant get over Jacks "I'll answer your question if you answer one of mine. Where's Juliet?" <sigh...:ohwell:>

Every answer as to why they wouldnt be getting more info is contrived or like you say they write it off by saying its "complicated".

The challenge of writing a good show is to make it interesting and believable. The writeres of lost are not skilled enough to make the characters smart and also keep their story line - instead they choose to cheat by making the characters totally moronic in order to tell their story. They are not able to do both - and doing both is what makes great story telling.

I second that.

I just cant understand how the losties don't seem to be interested in finding out whats actually happening, they will sit there for days in captivity, be handcuffed to an other, or have one as a prisoner they will always either ask no questions at all or all the wrong questions ('how is juliet' FFS who cares) and when they get a typical lost answer such as "its complicated" (what a cop out that is eh - lazy writing) they never push for answers. You'd almost forget they are stranded and a group of weird researchers have been killing a heap of them. Its very VERY unbelieveable, I mean how many people have died and the rest just sit around fishing or sunbathing. What happened to the 'army' they were going to form? Oh my bad, they had other things to do like roll a van down a hill and have various characters look distressed while that soap opera theme plays.

This is a really good post. I made one like it back midway through season two, and many others have made them before and after. I think this is the single most frustrating thing about Lost. The worst part is, it continues to be this way! How many people does it take to voice this opinion before "TPTB" take note.

The producers seemed to realise that they could have done things better during the miniseason. I was so pleased. But they seemed to think it's for reasons like "not enough beach", "too much Others", "no monster", etc... I, for one, don't think it's stuff like that that is the problem. The 'Ben needs operation so cons Jack into helping him while the trio is held captive on Hydra island' story could have been amazing. If you boil the story down to it's key necessary beats, it could have been hugely satisfying, but (just my opinion) it was handled all wrong.

This whole season makes me feel like I've asked my baby brother for the last popsicle and he's thrown it in the mud before handing it to me saying "What, now you don't want it anymore?!"

A good storyline covered in crap isn't all that appetising. Hence, season three of Lost.

This is precisely why lost is just terrible now.

The writers want the viewers to forget that these people are stranded on a deserted island. Their motivations would be to do anything to get off the island, or make their lives better, or more livable - through intelligence.

But given every opportunity to gain intelligence - the losties refuse - bar none - and continue to be ignorant. Its every single episode, 3 and 4 times an episode. Take just this past one for an example:

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The challenge of writing a good show is to make it interesting and believable. The writeres of lost are not skilled enough to make the characters smart and also keep their story line - instead they choose to cheat by making the characters totally moronic in order to tell their story. They are not able to do both - and doing both is what makes great story telling.


Great post vanzack.

I especially like, "The writers want the viewers to forget that these people are stranded on a deserted island". I don't think that can be said enough. That is at the core of many of Lost's problems. Ironically, it's also the basis of the show.

Congratulations! You're at Square One, only more people have died than when they first landed on the island. Hope you don't mind building up to yet another anti-climactic Square One!

It's probably a game. If the Others didn't want anyone to know where they were going or put on a show, they probably wouldn't have written the script to have them put on gas masks and gather out in the middle of the houses.

Just when you think you have a clue.

BUT, thank you for FINALLY acknowledging whether or not the Others know what Smokey is. At least they know of its existence and don't like it. Maybe next Spring we'll finally find out who likes boxers vs. briefs.

The inconsistancies bugged me this episode. Wasn't there an earlier episode where Sawyer was able to stop baby Aaron from crying (sorry if I misremembereD). Then he acts like he's never even seen baby Aaron.

Then sawyer is conned by HURLEY. Come on.

I really also didn't care what happened to Kate in her FB. Enough already. Its all getting a tad too coincidinky. Now Kate and Sawyer's ex know eachother.

And why was Sun giving Sawyer the hairy eyeball. Its not like she's so innocent... Come on.

All in all, I was a tad bored. Too much Juliette/Kate running through the wood and wrestling in the mud.
Meh

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I didn't hate the episode but I didn't love it either. I found most of it boring bar a few parts.

I didn't get the FB. So, Kate knew Cassidy? Wow! What a super-cool coincidence!! But so what?

I had to laugh when Jack woke up and decided to leave immediately. No searching, nothing.

And Kate being handcuffed to Juliet out in the jungle ? That will take some explaining.

And yet another flashback with connections but seeing has how Kate wasn't told Sawyer's name that's a deadend too.

Poor.

Yup i didnt like it either.The flashback was not great watsoever and i didnt like kate at all in it.The monster thing was a little weird too but at least its back.The only good thing about the epi was Sawyer and Hurley,it was funny and its good seein sawyer without kate and goin back to the funny guy he was. I liked the way Juliet brought Kate down a peg or two when she told her how she broke Jacks heart and he saw wat she did...that was great!