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Lost should break new ground and become the first 30 minute drama. 60 minutes is obviously too much time for so little story.


Wow. The origin of Desmond's annoying "brotha". Just what I've been waiting for. Can't wait for the episode with Hurley's first "dude".


The soap opera love rectangle was old long ago. Kate sees Jack talking with Juliet and goes to Sawyer for some "shut up and don't talk" sex? Lame. Embarrasing.


Dear TPTB, go ahead and kill Charlie already. He won't be missed. In fact, take 5 or 6 other characters along with him.


Oh great, a new character! Just what Lost needs! TPTB are true geniuses. More pointless flashbacks are just around the corner... followed by an uneventful death.

I didn't hate the episode, nor did I love it.

For me to have loved this episode, I would have had to have at least a mild interest in the continuing shipper sagas, and I would have had to believe that Charlie might bite the dust. The dramatic, hot-and-bothered kids on High School island provided no interesting story for me tonight, and it pained me to see the whole arrow-in-the-neck thing drag out the entire episode, only to conclude with what I expected during the first minute--Desmond saves Charlie again.

I think that on paper, the script (i.e.; the flashbacks) supported nicely the conflict Desmond was experiencing regarding the continued saving of Charlie's life. However, there was never shred of doubt that Desmond would save Charlie, and this made the whole thing tedious. I think the lowlight of the episode was the Jack-Sawyer ping-pong game.

As I said, I didn't hate the episode. I liked the flashbacks, and they did tie into the the island action well. The finding of the parachutist was great, and there's a lot of things to ponder on from that scene. It was a well written episode in that it flowed decently, though I had a hard time maintaining interest due to the content. This episode was not written to please my particular category of Lost viewers.

I'll watch this episode again--it's possible I missed out on some things because I became rather disinterested. Not a bad episode, though. Just not my taste.

If you take out the juvenile, sophomoric behavior of Kate, the "give me my life back" time I lost watching the most pointless flashback ever (the orgin or Brutha??) the totally try and gather the pre-teen male demographic shot of Kate cramming herself into her jeans, the ham handed reference to Bernard (to remove the conspiracy theory of them being erased) Ping Pong? And the "gee...Penny is back" moments...

Um...

DUD!

I wasn't a huge fan either. The episode started off great with Charlie's 'death,' but it just kind of flat-lined after that. Desmond, who I find to be such a cool character, had rather boring flashbacks that didn't seem to teach us anything of real importance. I did like the interaction between Jin, Charlie and Hurley - that was cute, but besides that, the episode was dull.

As for Kate, I think it's really unfortunate how the writers have been utilizing her. The shot of her in her underwear was just gratuitous and she's acting like a manipulative teenager. I'm glad Sawyer figured out what's going on at least.

I didn't not love the episode but what really bugged me is Desmond acted reeeeely out of character. The Des we have come to know usually isn't so well bossy and pushy. The way he acted really remined me of Michael in last seasons finale. I suppose people act this way when they are saving someone they love? But Des was so out of character and that bugged me through the whole episode.

I didn't hate this episode, but I was a tad disappointed. There were a few episodes worse this season(Tricia Tanaka, Cost Of Living, Further Instructions) but after Season 3's first ten last week a seven is a bit underwhelming. It was repetitive and the flashbacks, with the exception of Penny's appearance weren't that interesting. The last 20 minutes were as good as I think the first 20 minutes of an episode should be. Don't get me wrong, I liked it, but I've seen better.

I didn't hate it, but it didn't have me on the edge of my seat like the last 5 episodes. That's how all tv shows are though, theres always going to be some really good ones and some shitty ones.

This was hard to watch. I was not having fun experiencing this episode. Kind of like watching Stranger In A Strange Land. Just when I thought Desmond's flashbacks were boring, they got even more boring, and the writing was just plain awful. There was nothing important in this episode and nothing very interesting, at least that didn't get dragged out too long by the Scoobie gang standing around for 2 hours with awkward, cryptic looks not saying much and the love square from island middle school. HORRIBLE!


I just hope that the episodes after this will compensate for my loss of appetite. But I have a feeling that the preview for next week won't be less soap-opera drama.

yeah, I didn't hate it but I didn't love it either. The episode was just kind of "meh" for me. Honestly I expected something better after Flashes Before Your Eyes. But I must say I loved the Jack and Sawyer scene. It was meh because it was filler. so from here on out all of the rest of the episodes should not be filler and they should be GOOD. I hope.

I was disappointed in the episode as well, but I'm fine with a few less interesting ones now and then. They have been on a roll lately.

I had high hopes for Desmond at the end of last season, but he hasn't been that enjoyable to watch and I don't like the Charlie-dying-visions storyline.

I'm relieved neither Charlie nor Penny died... in that sense, the episode was quite tense, but I don't feel the urge to watch it again.

I just had to come here and say...I can't stand the bloody triangle....PLEASE kill the bloody Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle. It...is...TEDIOUS!!

Phew! *breath Cappy*

I think the JKS story in this ep has overtaken the treefrog story as the most annoying and pointless subplot ever. I found it infuriatingly lame and redundant.

Do you know what would have been better?! A subplot about Sayid trying to suss out Juliet. Or a subplot about Claire being worried about Charlie going off with Desmond. Or a subplot about Sun having fears of becoming sick like Claire with her pregnancy. But no. As always Claire, Sun and Sayid are sidelined in favour of the bloody triangle even when the bloody triangle have nothing to contribute to the plot. ANYTHING would have been better...

Having the triangle rammed down my throat in almost every episode has made Jack, Kate and Sawyer my least favourite characters. I'm so so sick of the three of them - especially in their Skate, Jate and triangle formations. Can't they be sidelined occasionally?

Kate has become one of the most irritating characters in TV history (Universe? Why are you trying to kill Charlie? Kill Kate damn it!). Sawyer and his "snappy" dialogue are wearing thin. He is becoming like a cartoon. I was starting to like Jack at the start of S3 but since he has been buddying up with Juliet and is goading the other Lostees into accepting her without question I'm back to finding Jack very arrogant and controlling like he was in S2.

Bloody Triangle!!! And breathe...

it was okay, but not a great episode

Meh....I had a moment of hope when Charlie got shot that they were indeed going to do something different, unexpected and shocking. That this was how the episode ended and we would get a flashback of the day to this horrible point...and then my senses came back and I realized it was just a vision of Desmond's!

NOT that I want Charlie to die, but it was so shocking that it gave me hope. Then my hopes were dashed as I realized it wasn't real and of course everyone EVERYONE watching the show KNEW that Desmond wasn't going to let Charlie die. So any drama there was just wasted.

I too HATED that the transparent reference to Bernard and the stupid Triangle as well as the cheap shots of Kate undressed and Kate having sex.

As for Desmond, I was screaming at him cause his reasoning for hesitating SO long... it just didn't make sense. That he was ACTUALLY considering letting Charlie die in such a HORRIBLE fashion made NO sense. He had no idea that Penny was there, he had no idea whether she was hurt or dead, but he did see already Charlie die horribly in front of him and he still hesitated?? Both my husband and I were screaming at the screen "DO SOMETHING!!!" and were very frustrated by how that scene played out.

Desmond's character has dropped very low for me after that. I don't care what his reasons for doing it were, he doesn't have to save Charlie, but he doesn't have the right to lead him to his death! And worst of all, I have no idea based on the flashes that he saw that lead him to believe that the sequence of events would lead to Penny? Nothing in the flashes showed anything except leading to Charlie's death. There were no shots of the parachute with them underneath, there were no shots of the cable with Charlie, the only shot of Charlie was when he died. So why didn't Desmond just not bring him??

I am sure that the writers on the show will confirm now that Desmond did have a vision that necessitated Charlie be there, but why can't they ever put that information IN the actual show!!

Can't say I hated it, as I did actually love the scenes with Sawyer and Jack and the ping pong table. And the story was KINDA interesting...but now we have yet another question and yet again another possible way off that will fall through!

Gilligan's Island it is looking like more and more!! I loved Charlie's line about the broken phone, "Of course it is!" I feel the same way!!

I know filler when I see it and this was totally a filler episode. The Kate/Sawyer/Jack scenes were straight out of "The OC". So lame. :getlost: We are well aware now that Desmond sees the future. We are also pretty well informed that he had a girlfriend named Penny in his past. The ONLY development was the parachuting woman. They could have adressed that at least in the first half of the episode and devoted the rest to finding out what she is all about.

This is the first episode since season 2's Fire + Water that I didn't really care for. I didn't hate it but it was more filler than Expose, which I actually did like.

The ep was just lacking of emotion and tension. I only really enjoyed the beach story. And I mean the one with Jack and Sawyer. In my opinion, last night's ep settles the debate: the reason Jack gets a lot of screentime is b/c he has the most interesting storyline.

And the shocking 'psyche' moment with an arrow jutting out of Charlie's jugular, not very 'psyche-y'. Of course Charlie wasn't going to die this early. I think I'm just pissed because I wasn't shocked at it. Oh well.

I usually don't complain about the "triangle" because, you know, what are you gonna do? But I'm really disappointed in Kate as a character. Just, ew. Have some freaking self-respect. I am not for or against a specific Kate pairing. I am fine with Kate/Sawyer right now. My problem is that is that it just has to be so ambivalent. Gotta keep the triangle alive! Why not lose some dignity while we're at it? Kate really has gone from hero to zero in these few seasons.

Onto the actual episode... I normally like Desmond. I think he's a great character, and his backstory is more heartbreaking than most (imo). But this episode was just pretty meh. Boring flashbacks and nonsensical island happenings. There's nothing to say about the flashbacks except that they were needlessly dull. The island storyline? I'm a bit confused... How can changing something in the present change something in the past? This isn't exactly like stepping on a butterfly back in the dinosaur age. Even if Desmond saved Charlie, how does that retroactively prevent whoever-it-was from getting into the helicopter however many hours before? (Also, I think about now would be the time I stopped trying to "save" Charlie [zzzzz]. Man, Desmond has it worse than Spider-Man).

I am just so glad I had it recorded, so I could fast forward those @#$%&* triangle fillers....:hissy:

I liked the episode, but i didn't love it so i guess i'm welcome here. I thought the on island action with Des and the gang was great, and you have to admit the Jin ghost story was hilarious. The new character can further the plot hopefully and mix things up, i also thought the whole arrival of her was very well done.

Getting to the thing i really hated though, and it seems like i'm not alone here was the triangle, absolutely horrific. All that attention seeking crap from Kate, i bet Sawyer couldn't believe his luck, and Jack didn't want to be involved. It's like through this episode Jack didn't want anything to do with this love triangle anymore, but the writers and Kate are just reeling him in and his character is suffering. I like Kate and Sawyer in season 1, season 2 they were ok. Season 3 i think Sawyer is ok, but slightly annoying, Kate i just downright hate now.

It's like every time we get further to finding out something Kate ruins it, hmmm let's see we could show something worthwhile like Sayid trying to get answers out of Juliet, possible showdown with Jack, whilst flashing between the good A plot with Des - but instead Kate steps in and we have to deal with her feelings! GO AWAY.

Sayid has been shunned ever since TMFT, he was great in Enter 77 and Par Avion, and played a decent part in TMFT but ever since then he's either been tied to a pole or limited to inquisitions whilst the doc is away. It's like that whole conversation was very tense and they haven't addressed it since, the whole Juliet with Sayid and Sawyer scene didn't address it IMO, even though i thought OoU was a fantastic episode. They're just delaying the inevitable, Sayid wants answers, and i want my damn torture scene. It'd be really crap if they delay it so much that before Sayid gets a chance Ben and the Others will whisk her away - i'd feel cheated.

The writers need to know that they are not forced to write flashback scenes for every episode. When the characters are living on a strange and mysterious island i don't care too greatly to know what they were up to before, in most cases it just isn't interesting enough.

This episode we had a flash back that was tedious filler to pad out an episode that was already tedious filler. Desmond saved Charlie for the third time (i don't think anyone was fooled into thinking Desmond was going to let him die), how many times do we have to see this plot device get used?

There was also the shocking revelation that there is somekind of love triangle between Jack, Kate and Sawyer. This shocked me and i cannot wait for the inovative and original use of it through out the show......

My main problem with this episode was that little happend and and it took a long time to get to it. The whole episode was covered in Desmonds vision and then we have to wait an hour only to get our thoughts comfirmed. We knew charlie wouldn't die and we knew that at this point in the show they wouldn't pull Penny out the blue and place her on the island.

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I liked the episode, but i didn't love it so i guess i'm welcome here. I thought the on island action with Des and the gang was great, and you have to admit the Jin ghost story was hilarious. The new character can further the plot hopefully and mix things up, i also thought the whole arrival of her was very well done.

Getting to the thing i really hated though, and it seems like i'm not alone here was the triangle, absolutely horrific. All that attention seeking crap from Kate, i bet Sawyer couldn't believe his luck, and Jack didn't want to be involved. It's like through this episode Jack didn't want anything to do with this love triangle anymore, but the writers and Kate are just reeling him in and his character is suffering. I like Kate and Sawyer in season 1, season 2 they were ok. Season 3 i think Sawyer is ok, but slightly annoying, Kate i just downright hate now.

It's like every time we get further to finding out something Kate ruins it, hmmm let's see we could show something worthwhile like Sayid trying to get answers out of Juliet, possible showdown with Jack, whilst flashing between the good A plot with Des - but instead Kate steps in and we have to deal with her feelings! GO AWAY.

Sayid has been shunned ever since TMFT, he was great in Enter 77 and Par Avion, and played a decent part in TMFT but ever since then he's either been tied to a pole or limited to inquisitions whilst the doc is away. It's like that whole conversation was very tense and they haven't addressed it since, the whole Juliet with Sayid and Sawyer scene didn't address it IMO, even though i thought OoU was a fantastic episode. They're just delaying the inevitable, Sayid wants answers, and i want my damn torture scene. It'd be really crap if they delay it so much that before Sayid gets a chance Ben and the Others will whisk her away - i'd feel cheated.

I felt the EXACT same way about everything you said, DLHS (hee hee)... espcially teh Sayid part. What in the... where the heck is SAYID?? They are just avoiding showing the one character who gets us answers.

The eppy was ok, but I did not love it by any means. I posted alot of this in the other thread... but wanted to post it here as well...

The triangle stuff just made me gag and roll my eyes. I AM TIRED OF IT ALREADY!! Just resolve it!!!!!! ... It also made me so mad that Sawyer didn't ask for more explaination from Kate and let her off the hook so easily. It felt contrived to me. I am glad that he found out and that she got busted, but huh? What happened to his little "mean" streak? Don't tell me that the criminal, con man has lost all his selfish, every man for himself attitude?

Also, FBs for me dragged. I didn't really see the point, except that he met Penny in the end. I know that it probably has something to do with the fact that he "had a vision" and felt his destiny was in a monastary, when really his vision was leading him somewhere else... and that they were trying to parallell that to the island happenings.. but I thought that it was awkwardly done and the point was not easy to extrapolate.

.. I liked the trek stuff, for the most part, but I agree with whoever said that the opening scenes were great and then it tapered off and started to drag...

Amen brotha!

The worst part for me was that, like in Expose, they started with the "ending" then went back to show how the characters got to that point.

Which would be fine ordinarily, but in this case the "ending" was just four characters walking in the jungle! We didn't need an entire episode to find out how people trapped on an island would end up walking in the jungle! Did TPTB really think we'd be on the edge of our seat wondering how Desmond convinces Jin to go with them? Argh! :ranting:

Plus the whole Charlie Death-of-the-Week thing. How long can they drag this out? Is there a point to it? Maybe next week Desmond will keep him from falling into quicksand! Then the week after he can save Charlie from the charging rhinocerous! Then the week after that...

***Yawn!*** Hum? What was the question? Did I like it or hate it? Sorry, I slipped into a mini-coma there at the end of the episode and have had trouble rousing myself ever since.

It was bland, and that’s pretty bad to be saying when it started with an excellent arrow-to-the-throat moment that made me gasp. I’ve read all the postings before this, and I agree with so much of what has been said, but I think, “Meh” sums it up best.

I can’t say I didn’t like it (rated it a 7), but it just didn’t get me all hot and bothered. I didn’t turn to my husband at each commercial break and say, “Ooooo, that’s cool” or question him about it like I usually do. In fact, we sat in silence, staring at the screen, because what is there really to say?

Yes, we know Desmond likes to say “Brotha.” Yes, we know Death is courting Charlie. Yes, we know Desmond gets flashes, and Jin is rapidly picking up a random collection of English, and Kate is jealous. WE GET IT.

I’m with Captain Falafel. The thing with Kate and Jack is boring me to tears. There was a time, way back in distant past, when I sort of cared how that went, but I just don’t now. She’s using Sawyer, who for all the bravado is not nearly as tough as he would like everyone to think, and Kate is showing her usually selfish focus. I know she’s young, but I have teenage students who behave more maturely on a daily basis. [But isn’t it great to have equal screen time for her rear-end floss and padded bra to balance out the time we see Sawyer’s chest? I’m sure the teenage boys really appreciate the balanced approach to filming. Seriously…could it have been more gratuitous in either scene? ] Did it ever occur to her that Jack could be spending time with Juliet (who might bore me more than any other character on this show) for some reason other than sex? Did Kate consider that all Jack’s actions might not be about her? Evidently not. He already knows about their romp in the cage. Is adding another tally to headboard going to make him suddenly shove Juliet’s head in the sand and throw himself on Kate in the skanky way she did with Sawyer? Probably not.

Jack’s standards are low. We’ve seen this. Show him a little gratitude (his wife), giggle at his lame jokes (tattoo chick), or use cheesy bar pick-up lines (Ana Lucia), and it’s easy enough to get a claw into him, but I don’t think even Jack is going to be motivated to run to Kate because she’s jumping other men. Plus, I don’t think love, romance, or anything of the kind is on his mind. He’s a chump at times, true, but I have a little more confidence in Jack. I don’t think he’s fallen as hook, line, and sinker for Juliet’s woe-is-me-I-got-dumped-by-my-gang as everyone seems to think he has.

I will go against popular opinion and say that I like Charlie. I hope he’s the last man standing. Okay, maybe I don’t like him that much, but I would like to see him make it to the end. He serves a purpose, although not 24 hours a day, but who among us does? I find rooting for someone to die distasteful, (although in the interest of full disclosure, I wasn’t sorry to see Nikki and Paolo go). Charlie is a keeper as a character, plus the actor has awesome facial expressions. They are subtle but genius. And the arrow to the throat was a pretty awesome beginning.

Desmond the Scot mentioned on page one that Des wasn’t acting like himself, and I agree that was strange. What was stranger was the 12-year old playing his jilted fiancée. Were we really supposed to think she had been dating anyone for 6 years? Did they start in junior high? She’s supposed to be in her 20s? That’s a bigger suspension of disbelief than that the smoke can’t go over a fence that four people easily traversed on a bent tree. Ack!

You know, when the thing I feel the strongest about in an episode is the casting of a character so minor that her whole interaction could have been cut from the story without ever being missed, I have to conclude I just didn’t love it. Didn’t hate it, but didn’t love it.

There was also the shocking revelation that there is somekind of love triangle between Jack, Kate and Sawyer. This shocked me and i cannot wait for the inovative and original use of it through out the show......

I know, I was really blown away by that too! Can you imagine? Who woulda thought??:biggrin: (That was hilarious, Ridley)

Least. Favorite. Episode. Ever. I actually started falling asleep, which NEVER happens during this show. At this point, unfortunately, I'm not really even looking forward to next week's episode.

I was really disappointed with this episode, especially after last week's high.

I think this episode violated Rule Number 1 of Good Lost Writing: Don't Telegraph Your Punches. Yet this whole episode was telegraphed, even when it didn't need to be.

Very early on, we are "given to believe" that Charlie could die and someone, perhaps Penny, will fall from the sky. Of course, this means that Charlie will not die and this will affect somehow the person falling from the sky. When the episode is over, what are we left with? Charlie did not die, and a person, not Penny, fell from the sky.

Well, all of that was painstakingly obvious long before the end of the episode. Where was the classic Lost Left Hook that comes out of nowhere and leaves you reeling?

There could have been one. The arrow, for example. Instead of just missing, what if Desmond's intervention had caused it to hit someone else instead of Charlie. Like Jin? Or Penny/not-Penny? Instead of simply Charlie dead/Charlie alive, we'd have a third, more "ooh" option.

And take Skygal. It is so obvious that it WON'T actually be Penny that when it turns out, gasp, that it ain't Penny, the only reaction is a big ho hum, especially when the person it does turn out to be is a nobody. At least make it a somebody (I would root for a beautiful chick to pop out, shout "razzle dazzle," and give them all judo chops). The monk. Michael. The Tony Perkins lookalike who talked Juliet into travelling to the Island. I don't care, anybody. Hurley's dad. Just surprise me. Don't make me wonder why I bothered watching for an hour.

Yes, there was some good dialogue. But there was no *drama*. There was no tension. And, frankly, I'm coming to dislike Desmond and his whole future schtick quite a bit. I hope he dies. Putting a picture of Futuregal on the monk's desk isn't enough to get my blood flowing. Now if the monk had been with Locke's dad, well, that would have surprised me. :)

There have been several episodes this season that a viewer could pretty much safely skip and not really have missed much in terms of the overall arc. This is one of those. So far as I can see, the only relevant note to take away from the episode is: somebody new from outside is now on the island. The rest is forgettable.

***Yawn!*** Hum? What was the question? Did I like it or hate it? Sorry, I slipped into a mini-coma there at the end of the episode and have had trouble rousing myself ever since.

It was bland, and that’s pretty bad to be saying when it started with an excellent arrow-to-the-throat moment that made me gasp. I’ve read all the postings before this, and I agree with so much of what has been said, but I think, “Meh” sums it up best.

I can’t say I didn’t like it (rated it a 7), but it just didn’t get me all hot and bothered. I didn’t turn to my husband at each commercial break and say, “Ooooo, that’s cool” or question him about it like I usually do. In fact, we sat in silence, staring at the screen, because what is there really to say?

Yes, we know Desmond likes to say “Brotha.” Yes, we know Death is courting Charlie. Yes, we know Desmond gets flashes, and Jin is rapidly picking up a random collection of English, and Kate is jealous. WE GET IT.

I’m with Captain Falafel. The thing with Kate and Jack is boring me to tears. There was a time, way back in distant past, when I sort of cared how that went, but I just don’t now. She’s using Sawyer, who for all the bravado is not nearly as tough as he would like everyone to think, and Kate is showing her usually selfish focus. I know she’s young, but I have teenage students who behave more maturely on a daily basis. [But isn’t it great to have equal screen time for her rear-end floss and padded bra to balance out the time we see Sawyer’s chest? I’m sure the teenage boys really appreciate the balanced approach to filming. Seriously…could it have been more gratuitous in either scene? ] Did it ever occur to her that Jack could be spending time with Juliet (who might bore me more than any other character on this show) for some reason other than sex? Did Kate consider that all Jack’s actions might not be about her? Evidently not. He already knows about their romp in the cage. Is adding another tally to headboard going to make him suddenly shove Juliet’s head in the sand and throw himself on Kate in the skanky way she did with Sawyer? Probably not.

Jack’s standards are low. We’ve seen this. Show him a little gratitude (his wife), giggle at his lame jokes (tattoo chick), or use cheesy bar pick-up lines (Ana Lucia), and it’s easy enough to get a claw into him, but I don’t think even Jack is going to be motivated to run to Kate because she’s jumping other men. Plus, I don’t think love, romance, or anything of the kind is on his mind. He’s a chump at times, true, but I have a little more confidence in Jack. I don’t think he’s fallen as hook, line, and sinker for Juliet’s woe-is-me-I-got-dumped-by-my-gang as everyone seems to think he has.

I will go against popular opinion and say that I like Charlie. I hope he’s the last man standing. Okay, maybe I don’t like him that much, but I would like to see him make it to the end. He serves a purpose, although not 24 hours a day, but who among us does? I find rooting for someone to die distasteful, (although in the interest of full disclosure, I wasn’t sorry to see Nikki and Paolo go). Charlie is a keeper as a character, plus the actor has awesome facial expressions. They are subtle but genius. And the arrow to the throat was a pretty awesome beginning.

Desmond the Scot mentioned on page one that Des wasn’t acting like himself, and I agree that was strange. What was stranger was the 12-year old playing his jilted fiancée. Were we really supposed to think she had been dating anyone for 6 years? Did they start in junior high? She’s supposed to be in her 20s? That’s a bigger suspension of disbelief than that the smoke can’t go over a fence that four people easily traversed on a bent tree. Ack!

You know, when the thing I feel the strongest about in an episode is the casting of a character so minor that her whole interaction could have been cut from the story without ever being missed, I have to conclude I just didn’t love it. Didn’t hate it, but didn’t love it.

Thank you! A perfect synopsis of my views on this epi. My DH and I didn't have much to discuss about it, as well. And why - because it was soooo predictable. And that scares me. I love this show but when things start getting predictable my tendency is to stop caring as much and become less and less interested in the characters and the overall story.

Didn't Steven King advise TPTB to know when to end things? As much as I love this show, I'd rather things got wrapped up soon than to have to sit through much more of these mindless flashbacks and plot lines. Enough of the love triangle, too - it's old and BORING!

And btw, I have never posted on the "didn't love it" thread and never thought I would.

I felt the EXACT same way about everything you said, DLHS (hee hee)... espcially teh Sayid part. What in the... where the heck is SAYID?? They are just avoiding showing the one character who gets us answers.


I know, it's like he disappears for a bit and then he comes back when there's an interesting trek, or when someone is going somewhere, he says something cool and really important, has a great flashback episode, everyone says "YES SAYID IS BACK!" and then poof, oh he's gone. He'll be back in about 5 episodes and say something cool again, it's been a long time since he was used properly so i'm guessing next episode or the episode after. I'd just like a little consistency with the use of Sayid, he's a fantastic character, and Naveen is a great actor and he's so much more interesting than Kate and that stupid love triangle.


Did it ever occur to her that Jack could be spending time with Juliet (who might bore me more than any other character on this show) for some reason other than sex? Did Kate consider that all Jack’s actions might not be about her? Evidently not. He already knows about their romp in the cage. Is adding another tally to headboard going to make him suddenly shove Juliet’s head in the sand and throw himself on Kate in the skanky way she did with Sawyer? Probably not.


Couldn't agree more, when i saw that scene i cringed, all he did was EAT DINNER with her. So Kate sees them laughing and joking having a fun time (and btw i'd like to think they were laughing at how stupid she is) and then decides to get "even" because of jealousy. So she sleeps with Sawyer, how the hell is that fair?


What was stranger was the 12-year old playing his jilted fiancée. Were we really supposed to think she had been dating anyone for 6 years? Did they start in junior high? She’s supposed to be in her 20s? That’s a bigger suspension of disbelief than that the smoke can’t go over a fence that four people easily traversed on a bent tree. Ack!


Haha i thought that too, and btw what a terrible actress she was. It's like everything she said was in slow motion, it took her about 5 minutes to tell Desmond to basically screw off. She talked so damn slow and the accent seemed really fake. She was trying way too hard.

I do think that there will be a good reason the smoke monster couldn't get over the fence though, the chain rattling noises give me reason to believe it's rooted to the ground. I think they have something planned either way, going by their recent podcast. You should listen to it, it was a good laugh, especially when this weird person sent in a question trying to connect Locke and Locke's apparent foster brother with a game of mouse trap - the writers just laugh hysterically it's hilarious.

I don't remember much from this episode to tell you the truth...

If you show me Charlie's throat slashed by a dart twenty times in the first half hour, chances are, he's not going to die.

If you show me Desmond chasing despearately after Penny's body, I know she's not going to die.

The only things that stood out to me in this episode were Jin's Korean ghost stories (the good) and that pointless flashback chick whose accent hurt my eardrums. Oh, and Kate is a sad joke, but we already knew that from the miniseason.

How many former straight A students don't know what a tautology is? ("Shut up and don't talk" has just replaced "You taste like strawberries" as the dumbest line in primetime.)

Like others have said, the whole "Charlie, you're gonna die" thing is really old. What, it's been done like 4 times already within 9 episodes? They better make good on this storyline by killing him.

Gosh! I never thought a Desmond episode would turn this bad. B-A-D

Kate is turing out to be a wimp. Far from the Kate I liked. Also will the Universe please Course Correct itself once & for all & kill Charlie because the death-precognition is just being overdone.

THE STORIES ARE RUNNING THIN.

And, for the umpteenth time TPTB have made a fool of the fans

Damon (podcast about Catch-22): Something fairly momentous is going to happen in this episode (Catch-22)!

Man, this is sooooo BAD. If they see any event in this episode as "something momentous" then I am sure the writers have become delusional & I fear that future episodes would be full of inanity with the writers thinking they actually are very good. Shame. :rant:

(Its a habit now, but I guess I will have to stop listening to those "silly" podcasts. CC-DL do nothing except goof around & answer hand-picked pointless quesitons)

Are TPTB even working towards writing good stories or have they turned LOST writing into an avocation where they do it just in their free time.

HORRIBLE! The story could have been covered in 10 minutes. Did anyone doubt that Charlie wasnt gonna die & that the parachutist wasnt gonna be Penny. After the quick-cuts back & forth in the last 5 minutes showing Penny & the parachutist I was like, hmmm, now FOR SURE it aint gonna be Penny.

Few Good episodes STRICTLY followed by a horrendous one. Keep up the trend TPTB. :wallbash:

How many former straight A students don't know what a tautology is? ("Shut up and don't talk" has just replaced "You taste like strawberries" as the dumbest line in primetime.)

Shut up & dont talk!

Thats a fantastic line. :biggrin: I have a "vision" that the writers are gonna come up with few more gems like...

I have two daughters, both are girls!

Lame. It started off with some decent potential (Charlie getting pierced by the arrow) but then devolved into silliness with Des flashback. Frankly, I'm bucking against the 'flashback' formula. Would rather see more 'island time.' I just could care less what these folks did in the past anymore. The island is much more interesting (to me).

F

I honestly thought I should rewatch before I :dog: about it and I TRIED, but I still had to fast forward a lot because as some of you have said before, the whole thing dragged sooo much, it became a race to see next week's previews (though honestly? I don't care enough to be excited about that either).

I'm not usually one to complain about flashbacks because it's the kind of filler I enjoy and some of the background characters are fun to watch. This flashback was nothing but When Desmond Met Penny (I like Penny) sprinkled with heavy-handed anvilicious references to Jacob/Isaac and sacrifice. Contrived and jammed in to have something that like... y'know... mirrors the island action. Of which there was very little.

There were some nice character moments, but there was still very little Plot. I'm not going to go into the island version of "30 Going On 13" (thanks, mystic!) because frankly, there's not much to be said. Season two was "too mythologically dense" so the writers figured they should give us "much needed" sex and romance. Um. OK. Thanks. Hence zombie!Kate and wasting screentime on her love life. In the meantime, she's been replaced as the lead character of Lost by Juliet, who evil (or rather shady) as she may be, she has an actual story. Notice there was a shot of Juliet in bed last week, but did it feel as gratuitous as Kate squeezing into her jeans or her oral fixation?

The "telegraphed punches" didn't help with the overall progression of the story and "YAY! Another new character I don't give a damn about" isn't enough of a payoff at the end of an hour they could have spent on Rose doing the laundry.



THE STORIES ARE RUNNING THIN.



I think that's another major problem (along with degrading the characters because we're too bored with the meaty story and we need more sex and romance apparently). I for one enjoyed the A Plot in SIASL and I think if you carve out all the bs B and C plots in a lot of episodes this season and put them together, it's actually a pretty entertaining story.






Shut up & dont talk!



That was me nitpicking, not Lizzie, but isn't it a piece of magnificent dialogue? They're not even trying anymore with Kate so I've made my peace with it. The whole time she was talking about how during her ordeal in Otherville she was "trying to find a way out of those cages", I laughed because:

a) not so much with the trying, not even once they were open

and

b) I expected her to start her next sentence with: "This one time in bandcamp..."


There is more potential for a Penny-centric episode now because honestly, I don't want another pointless episode for Desmond. I know I'm in the minority here, but I've rediscovered Charlie these past few episodes and I think his story and Desmond's quest to save him could be what Lost once was: daring, moving and mindblowing, but if it's dragged along like this, the story loses any appeal it's had on me.

I dont even have the energy to type how bad this show is now.

Just look at the thread counts.

Love it or hate it, in the first and second season these threads were hundreds of posts long. The show has reached the one place no show wants to go - IRRELEVANCY.

I don't know what to say except for I think the writers are really losing it. The precognition with Charlie is so over done I wish tptb would get over it fast. :deadhorse: Kate turning a sl*t and using Sawyerbecause she assumes that Jack doesn't want her anymore. I am so sick of that storyline. :irked:
Sorry but there is no relevancy except for someone falling out of the airplane. More Questions once again and not enough answers.

I usually judge an episode based on the sleep factor. I feel asleep during this one, about 45 minutes into it. The only other episode I feel asleep watching was the previous Desmondcentric episode. Freudian, or simply boring.

The Good: Evangeline Lilly is uber-hot.... nay, beyond hotness. Though I can't say it's done much for her character's development. She's basically become a needy, indecisive high school student. Kate, you're on an island with a killer-amorphous security monster and a baby-crazy cult! Try being without a man for a couple of days and get back to exploring or helping Sayid repair something useful.

The Bad: Charlie didn't die. Totally would have been worth it if they had killed him in the first scene. But noooooo... it had to be another "vision."

The Ugly: I presume this will be the last Desmond-centric episode of the season. TPTB explained virtually nothing in regards to Desmond's "ability" or "time loop" scenario. The only thing we learned is that he's seeing pieces to a puzzle, but he doesn't have a picture of the whole puzzle. Hmmmm... sounds kind of like what the audience goes through watching this show every week, except Desmond didn't have to sit through "Expose."

Seriously, we already knew that Desmond could only see things in "flashes," and what did we get this week... incoherent, incomplete and ultimately incorrect "flashes." Nothing about how or why he could have been in a "loop" or how he's viewing time in a non-linear fashion. The only tidbit that was linked in anyway to FBYE was the Ring Lady appearing in a horribly photo-shopped picture on the desk of the monk from the flashback. How does this further the story? It doesn't, that's how. It only makes the overall "puzzle" even murkier than before.

Are the monk and the ring woman actually time traveling spiritual guides? Or are they just ordinary people that Desmond has elevated to god-like status because his current extraordinary circumstance? Well, we don't know because that photograph could just be another "crossing" that was placed in the episode to provide yet another seemingly meaningful "easter egg." And I don't think we'll find out anything about Desmond or his time-traveling ways for another 9-10 episodes.

TPTB need to connect Desmond's story back to Dharma/The Others soon, because right now it has no connection to any other aspect of the show other than Charlie's mortality.
Horrible job this week.

Meh....

Agreed.

The Good: Evangeline Lilly is uber-hot.... nay, beyond hotness.

:biglaugh:

Shut up and don't talk already!! :lol1:

I didn't hate this episode but I didn't like it either. The flashback--while I love Desmond--was nothing to write home about, and the episode was too predictable. When Charlie was shot in the neck, I knew right then that it was either a dream or one of Desmond's visions. Also, I just knew the whole time that it wasn't Penny that bailed out of that copter.

I think for most of us here at the fuselage (and many other Lost thread sites), it's a lot harder to impress us because he have easy access to spoilers. Many of us are also so into this show that we analyze and over-analyze each episode and maybe that takes some of the fun away from just enjoying the show? I don't know. I'm asking.

Shut up and don't talk already!! :lol1:

That line goes down along with, "if you love me then go" as one of the most ridiculous lines from a character on Lost. :rolleyes:

A new character! FINALLY TPTB listen to their eager fans and go with what we were all craving. Another un-needed character. Or maybe it's just Penny, but the island decided that killing off so many black/hispanic people might have an effect on ratings so they morphed her.

Think smokey could twist so far as to slap some people in the writer's office across the face?

One of my co-workers said "They didn't answer any questions again." "Is this another new character?" This episode was pure boring filler. "MEH" describes it to a T. It is one thing when us internet fans don't like an episode, I think it is another when the regular viewing audience doesn't care for it. There weren't even a whole lot of things from the episode I could talk about with my co-workers to help us feel it had any redeeming quality.

Desmond isn't one of my favorite characters, and I've never been invested in his whole Penny love story line except that it may be the way the Losties get rescued. His flashback was boring. The hike to find once again another Character (hello Nikki and Paulo), was contrived. The only truly shocking moment was in the first 3 minutes when we saw Charlie die. I'm kind of at the point with the whole Desmond/Charlie thing where I hope Charlie kills Desmond just to put us all out of our misery. :eek2:


Sawyer eyeballing Kate getting dressed was gratuitous. Kate enjoying it was degrading to her as a woman. Kate reaching for Sawyer's zipper was even more gratuitous and degrading to the character of Kate. Kate has been well and truly trashed through the course of this season. She doesn't deserve anyone's admiration or respect. Frankly, Sawyer and Jack deserve better than the high school fluffball that Kate has become. She is Lost's own Paris Hilton or Brittney Spears. I hope the writers can change how we feel about Kate, but the task will be so enornous, I don't think its truly possible.

The Promo's for next week don't give me any feeling that things will be better soon. :frown:

hope the writers can change how we feel about Kate, but the task will be so enornous, I don't think its truly possible.

The Promo's for next week don't give me any feeling that things will be better soon. :frown:

Eghm...Kate was twisted into our favorite on-screen mockery of everything under the sun female DUE TO the writers. They tried to cater to the hormone-fevered crowd and they overlooked how degrading it was for females; Then again, if you look at TPTB or listen to their podcast, how could we be surprised. The basic Kate we knew from season 1 wasn't exactly written by L/C but probably by J.J.; They just decided to twist her into their sex-toy.

I nodded off momentarily early on but forced myself to watch the rest of the episode. Doesn't help that it's 10 o'clock (hate, Hate, HATE the later time slot), but I've NEVER fallen asleep during Lost before. So who was more tired ... me or the plotline? Don't know. Kate and Sawyer, Kate and Jack, or Kate and anybody ... who cares?

I actually liked this episode but I just had to come on to say I definately didn't like how the writers treated Kate in this eppie, or previous 'love/shipper' episodes. For the same reasons as the above posts. I have nothing against the romance angles but it is how they have been dished out. It doesn't make me not like Kate but enough of the scopophilia! Please! I don't want to see lingering shots of her butt cheeks, thong or bra. Nor do i want to watch her trickle water ever so gently across her neck from a trough. It is demeaning to the character and no doubt the actress. They are both more than eyecandy as was well established in Season 1. Hopefully the writers send Kate on an excursion for her backbone soon so she can swipe the leary looks off Sawyer's face. I do not enjoy watching such open faced letching, like he just discovered his favourite lap -dancer was operating a 50% discount system - Old Kate would never have stood for that. Not love, not lust, pure degradation.

The basic Kate we knew from season 1 wasn't exactly written by L/C but probably by J.J.; They just decided to twist her into their sex-toy.

It is demeaning to the character and no doubt the actress. They are both more than eyecandy as was well established in Season 1. Hopefully the writers send Kate on an excursion for her backbone soon so she can swipe the leary looks off Sawyer's face. I do not enjoy watching such open faced letching, like he just discovered his favourite lap -dancer was operating a 50% discount system - Old Kate would never have stood for that. Not love, not lust, pure degradation.

It is both sad & frustrating to watch the characters behave out of their skin. Agreed that relationships & characteristics do change over a course of time. But would the really strong person start behaving in this manner in so short a time? I just miss Kate of season 1, the self-sure, butt-kickin, look-in-the-eye girl. We see glimpses of her but just glimpses. About Sawyer, I can only hope that he doesnt have some "vision" of Eko & start giving sermons asking the losties to call him Father James.
Sad.:frown:

I didn’t find the last episode especially terrible over all, but it has served as a sort of straw that broke the camels back, hence my polemical post in this thread.

I’ve debated about whether to make this post at all because while I’ve become disgruntled with this season, I feel a little sense of loyalty to LOST and its creators for doing something I never even imagined, producing a show that was equal parts intellectually invigorating and downright fun. I’d not regularly watched a TV program in years because I was weary of abysmal cartoonish stories and crude cardboard characters.
For the most part, LOST transcended all that in season I and II. Now, it seems to me that LOST has developed a kind of Alzheimer’s Syndrome. It has forgotten who it is and where it’s been and become a kind of existential, stream of consciousness narrative. Maybe that is what has been intended all along, but since the character shifts have become so dislocating, I can’t find a foothold to care about any of them very much. Although I enjoy many aspects of LOST, season III seems to be entirely dissonant with Seasons I and II. Narratively, for me, the fulcrum hub of the story was the Jack and Kate relationship but with the current force-fed emphasis on the triangle, I find myself not caring about the forward motion of the story. The only character I have enough residual investment in to care what happens to them right now is Jack; but it’s not enough to have me suffer through this “season of love” excrement. Obviously the creators of this show and I have oppositional views on what the phrase “season of love” could possibly mean.

In the spirit of reading a “whodunit” I would probably consider watching the rest of the series if I could, in advance, remove all triangle related scenes. Especially egregious from my standpoint is that the character of Kate has gone from emotionally integral to the show to being a generic redshirt plot device pose-able triangle puppet. I not only have become indifferent to her, I actively don’t want to know what happens to her storyline. It is like looking at a taxidermied version of the original. The internal organs have been removed and the entire thing has been preserved in a “lifelike” pose, but the essence is gone.

Imo, TPTB have decided for whatever reason to color so far outside the lines of comprehensible storytelling (and most especially related to the triangle/quadrangle) that scaffolding of basic story frameworks and characters have been either severely damaged, or in the case of Kate, utterly annihilated. As a writer, I certainly applaud their willingness to take risks to tell their story, but I think it’s gone from a bungee jump with calculated risks to a head first off a cliff hoping that the vegetation at the bottom will break the fall.

LOST has become like a poorly executed abstract painting replete with so many contradictory images in juxtaposition, that rather than each informing the other and creating some overall coherence, it has become a meaningless jumble. Like the prophet Daniel’s vision of the inherent structural weakness of the Roman Empire (A massive statue whose feet of iron are intermixed with clay), no amount of creativity can successfully blend Season I and II with the current season without risking significant destabilization of the entire story.

Another analogy is that what were true jewels of narrative and character are no longer appropriately displayed in a finely crafted setting of subplots, but are tossed randomly into a sex-sells cow patty, shellaced and varnished our “viewing pleasure”.

IMO painstaking and committed viewers, who care about whether their analyses and arguments are valid in the context of the show and not mere wishful thinking pushing a preferred plotline, have simply been punched in the gut. I feel that the meaning of so many fundamental elements seems to have been radically redefined this season by a lexicon viewers haven’t been made privy to. Foundational plots and implications of 2 seasons have gone from bedrock to quagmire.

While I applaud the creativity and beauty of Season I and II, I am saddened by what has become the incomprehensible, indefensible and inchoate mass that is Season III.

I actually liked this episode but I just had to come on to say I definately didn't like how the writers treated Kate in this eppie, or previous 'love/shipper' episodes. For the same reasons as the above posts. I have nothing against the romance angles but it is how they have been dished out. It doesn't make me not like Kate but enough of the scopophilia! Please! I don't want to see lingering shots of her butt cheeks, thong or bra. Nor do i want to watch her trickle water ever so gently across her neck from a trough. It is demeaning to the character and no doubt the actress. They are both more than eyecandy as was well established in Season 1. Hopefully the writers send Kate on an excursion for her backbone soon so she can swipe the leary looks off Sawyer's face. I do not enjoy watching such open faced letching, like he just discovered his favourite lap -dancer was operating a 50% discount system - Old Kate would never have stood for that. Not love, not lust, pure degradation.

OMG this is so true! This is what we've been reduced to. :getlost: :kwasny: :dead:

I didn't love the episode...nor did i hate it.

It just wasn't memorable. I had to strain to remember what happened. The whole episode was pointless until the last 2 minutes. Just not my favorite. Liked last week better.

There's been some truly godawful dialogue this season, but that line just takes the cake.

I'm so sick of Kate, but I suppose it's too much to ask if we told the writers to finally do something "momentous" and let Smokie feed on her. This storyline has sucked the vital source out of both her character and Sawyer's.

I rolled my eyes out at the photoshopped picture of Mrs. Hawkings because there's no point in having "easter eggs" when you don't have a substantial plot.