Was Danielle's talk with Kate by the stream a clue into what we saw with Jack by the end? The whole "someone won't remember you thing"
I know it's because she hasn't seen her daughter in forever but maybe it was also a clue/warning. Like don't be shocked in Jack has no idea who you are when you see him so don't get your hopes up.

I think she was just conveying her fear that Alex might think she never cared for her. What I read into this was that she's carrying some guilt for being absent from her life for 16 years and also for what she did to her father.

We can put to rest the idea Danielle is crazy now. This was a very sane woman talking here. I'm glad we got a glimpse into her heart.

I liked this convo, it was revealing Danielle's reasoning, and what she said made sense. I think that it also made Kate think about her own situation, and realize that it could very well go in the same direction.

I have always liked Danielle's Character. At least so far. She brings an interesting aspect to the show. I am glad they are again putting some depth to her character. I think they will do a flash back of her in Season 4.

I've been waiting since season one for the losties to include Danielle in their plans and couldn't be happier that they have finally done so. I believe that she is a very solid reality check to the losties being that she has been on the Island for so long and has had a lot of time to realize the situation she was in and to do some soul searching.

In comparison, the losties have been running off of instinct and Dharma peanut butter most of the time. It is nice to have Danielle there to put a mirror in their faces. That is exactly what I think this conversation was about. Kate and Danielle are similar in stature/build/eye and hair type and both are looking for something they have loved and lost to this island.

Kate thinks everything will be hunkey-dorey when she finds Jack. I would imagine that Danielle felt the same way about finding Alex. I think that she actually did find her daughter but realized that the life the Others gave her far exceeded the jungle and rifle life she herself could have offered. Therefore, she warns Kate that just because you can introduce yourselves to your lost loved ones, doesn't mean you should or that they will be gratefull for it.

Hell even the flashback was all about that. Claire finally meets the father she thought was dead but he has differing views of the current circumstances. She pushes him away and (this is only my opinion) he falls into a drinking depression and eventually his own death because of the loss and his relation to it.

This is not much different (in my above stated theory) to Danielle finding Alex, seeing that she is not needed or wanted, and losing her mind somewhat on the Island. Wow, crap, I wrote a lot more than I meant to. My fingers work faster than my sub-conscious. I kind of came up with that as I was writing.

At least I kind of stayed on topic I hope.

I agree, they where trying to incorperate the A-plot of Claire's daddy issues with the B-plot. Alex won't remember Danielle and will probably react negetively, as Claire did with Christian.

Danielle was only trying to help Kate understand how she feels about how it would be to meet up with someone she loves but who has no idea who she is. Of course Jack would remember Kate after 16 years - that wasn't the point Danielle was making. It was a "what if" hypothetical situation. Alex may or may not know she's adopted but she probably doesn't know she has a mother living in the jungle all this time.

I agree, they where trying to incorperate the A-plot of Claire's daddy issues with the B-plot. Alex won't remember Danielle and will probably react negetively, as Claire did with Christian.

I thought that was really neat the way they did that and what's more, it was likely 16 years since Christian had seen Claire, just like the 16 years since Danielle had seen Alex. Claire last was with her father when she was 2 and in this flashback, she is about 18. She doesn't remember him, she doesn't know his name, she hates him and that's exactly what Danielle is afraid of. Don't expect a tearful mother daughter reunion. That was a nice parallel.

I thought that was really neat the way they did that and what's more, it was likely 16 years since Christian had seen Claire, just like the 16 years since Danielle had seen Alex. Claire last was with her father when she was 2 and in this flashback, she is about 18. She doesn't remember him, she doesn't know his name, she hates him and that's exactly what Danielle is afraid of. Don't expect a tearful mother daughter reunion. That was a nice parallel.

Excellent point about Claire's age! :clapping: This episode touched on both mommy and daddy issues in so many ways.

I think there was a TWOP recap that said Kate looks at Danielle and sees herself in ten years time with no shampoo or conditioner. On a more serious note, I've been waiting for these two to have a heart to heart in forever and I loved this scene.

Yes, I think it was foreshadowing for Kate and the previews for next week confirm she thinks Jack has been brainwashed and even though he remembers her, he doesn't have the same type of feelings for her anymore.

I think the music and the scenery were spot on for the moment. I really enjoyed it.

That scene was really great! Although their situations are different I think Danielle made a really good point. To Alex, Danielle would just be a stranger. If Danielle tries to explain her situation it could end up being her word against Ben's. And even though Ben is totally creepy, I think Alex would trust his word as her father over a strange woman she has never met. It's a very reasonable fear for Danielle to think that Alex may want nothing to do with her.

Kate's situation with Jack is obviously different since he has seen her only days ago and will remember who she is. But I think Kate was being a little too hopeful that Jack would welcome her with open arms, appreciate her coming back and be willing to leave at the drop of a hat. It seems like Jack has definetly changed, playing football happily with Tom. He may reject Kate in the same way that Alex will reject Danielle. Maybe the others convinced him that their way of thinking really is better than Kate's or anybody elses. I hope that sometime soon we might see Jack back at the beach like before helping everyone out, but I'm starting to wonder if his relationships will ever go back to the way they were with the regular castaways.

Hmmm.We see a gun to Kate's head while Jack asks "Who else is with you?". I think he is really trying to protect her, and is "playing" the others. He wants to know who is with her, so he knows if he will be able to cover for them, or if they can fend for themselves. That type of thing.

But I don't think it will turn out to be brainwashing or anything.

Kate and Danielle are similar in stature/build/eye and hair type


I know it is likely crazy, but when I saw this scene, I kept thinking, "Is Kate actually Danielle? Time travel is crazy like that...."

Everyone seems to like Danielle but she seem odd to me. I have two questions for everyone.
1. She claimed she killed her crew after they became sick and attacked her. Non of the losites so far have shown any sort of sickness and i belive the lostie have been onthe island loger than her crew was by the hime they became sick.
2. How do you live on an island for all those years and not go after your child? I am a recent dad and i know that anyone tring to take my child would have to kill me to get him. in the case of the island i can't see her not tring to find a way into camp. I can't see her not looking at every inch of the isalnd for where they took her dauther. Even if it ment sneeking into their camp at night and stealing her dauther back and killing who ever was rasing her.

Everyone seems to like Danielle but she seem odd to me. I have two questions for everyone.
1. She claimed she killed her crew after they became sick and attacked her. Non of the losites so far have shown any sort of sickness and i belive the lostie have been onthe island loger than her crew was by the hime they became sick.
2. How do you live on an island for all those years and not go after your child? I am a recent dad and i know that anyone tring to take my child would have to kill me to get him. in the case of the island i can't see her not tring to find a way into camp. I can't see her not looking at every inch of the isalnd for where they took her dauther. Even if it ment sneeking into their camp at night and stealing her dauther back and killing who ever was rasing her.
Good questions, kotw32, that have been lingering since Solitary. The island sickness is one of those open mysteries I hope we'll get more information on. She could be telling the truth. 16 years is a long time for a virus or bacterial agent to remain viable in the open so the "sickness" could be gone now.
#2 I can't understand either. She seems more afraid of being seen herself than of not finding her child. She claimed to have never seen the Others -- yet the Losties bump into them left and right. Was she that much afraid of being captured that she would live all this time without her baby? I don't understand it either. I think there are some deeper psychological issues with her, or to put it more simplistically as the Losties do, she's "the crazy French chick." (Not that being French has anything to do with it--might as well call her the crazy Croation chick. :biggrin: )

That scene was really great! Although their situations are different I think Danielle made a really good point. To Alex, Danielle would just be a stranger. If Danielle tries to explain her situation it could end up being her word against Ben's. And even though Ben is totally creepy, I think Alex would trust his word as her father over a strange woman she has never met. It's a very reasonable fear for Danielle to think that Alex may want nothing to do with her.

Kate's situation with Jack is obviously different since he has seen her only days ago and will remember who she is. But I think Kate was being a little too hopeful that Jack would welcome her with open arms, appreciate her coming back and be willing to leave at the drop of a hat. It seems like Jack has definetly changed, playing football happily with Tom. He may reject Kate in the same way that Alex will reject Danielle. Maybe the others convinced him that their way of thinking really is better than Kate's or anybody elses. I hope that sometime soon we might see Jack back at the beach like before helping everyone out, but I'm starting to wonder if his relationships will ever go back to the way they were with the regular castaways.

I'm not sure Alex would take Bens word over anyones. Everytime we see her we see that she on some level does not agree with what is going on.

She helped Claire excape when they kidnapped her.
She helped Kate and Swayer excape.

What I find interesting is that Danielle's attitude seems to have changed a lot since Season 1. It's a little bit of an inconsitency to me.

When Claire stole Aaron she wanted to trade him for Alex. She was convinced that if they wanted the baby badly enough they might give back her own child. She knew at this point that Alex would be 16 and that she wouldn't remember her mothers...but she never thought rationally...she just wanted her little girl back.

But now...in what is really only like 40 days later, she's suddenly gained all this perspective and she's not gung ho about getting Alex back. She wants to see her I think, but she seems resigned to the fact that she can't have her little girl back.

What I find interesting is that Danielle's attitude seems to have changed a lot since Season 1. It's a little bit of an inconsitency to me.

When Claire stole Aaron she wanted to trade him for Alex. She was convinced that if they wanted the baby badly enough they might give back her own child. She knew at this point that Alex would be 16 and that she wouldn't remember her mothers...but she never thought rationally...she just wanted her little girl back.

But now...in what is really only like 40 days later, she's suddenly gained all this perspective and she's not gung ho about getting Alex back. She wants to see her I think, but she seems resigned to the fact that she can't have her little girl back.

I think that back when we first met Danielle, she wasn't a fully fleshed out character.

TPTB seem to be just starting now to get a grasp on who she is.

As far as her change of heart over Alex, I think it is like one fo those things that you wish for so hard, but when you know that you are really close to actually getting it, you are so afraid that it is not going to be what you think, you start to wonder if you still really want it. Danielle has to be dying to see Alex, but she knows that Alex has no idea who she is. What is Alex rejects her, or worse, is indifferent. Danielle is filled with love for Alex and Alex is completely ambivilent about Danielle. That would kill her. I believe that Alex is the only thing that has kept Danielle alive all these years.

For Jack and Kate, I don't think that he is going to be going over to the dark side anytime soon. Jack has to be playing a role so that he can go back to his friends. He ahs to, nobody can tell me any different. :lipsseal:

i dont think kate bought her story, she is skeptical and figuring her out, whatever shes up to or her baskstory is ... the directing of the last few episodes tells us mikhail knew of her and she wanted to kill him asap ... kate will figure it out or talk with sayid hopefully ... damn french are always up to no good

As far as her change of heart over Alex, I think it is like one fo those things that you wish for so hard, but when you know that you are really close to actually getting it, you are so afraid that it is not going to be what you think, you start to wonder if you still really want it. Danielle has to be dying to see Alex, but she knows that Alex has no idea who she is. What is Alex rejects her, or worse, is indifferent. Danielle is filled with love for Alex and Alex is completely ambivilent about Danielle. That would kill her. I believe that Alex is the only thing that has kept Danielle alive all these years.


I think you make a good point - Alex has been Danielle's reason for staying alive all this time, and now a meeting with Alex is imminent - there is a huge possibility that Alex will reject her, and she may feel that her reason for living is gone. Of course, hopefully even if that did happen she'd recover from it and still keep trying to forge a relationship with her daughter, but it's got to be weighing heavily on her right now.

I think she was just conveying her fear that Alex might think she never cared for her. What I read into this was that she's carrying some guilt for being absent from her life for 16 years and also for what she did to her father.

We can put to rest the idea Danielle is crazy now. This was a very sane woman talking here. I'm glad we got a glimpse into her heart.

she may not be crazy, but she is certainly little short on telling the truth:undecide:

in 16 years on the island, she has never seen the others, only heard whispers.

the lostees bump into Others behind every tree. they find hatches, stumble into mocked up villiages, find cows with bells. and the little matter of the enourmous security fence around othersville. how can she not have found that either?

and if you were on an island, and you lost your daughter, wouldn't you search everywhere. i look prety hard when i loose my wallet. i don't believe she doesn't know every inch of that island.

or she is an other other.

I don't think that Alex and Danielle have never met. I'm guessing they did meet at one time, maybe when Alex was like 8 or so, and this strange jungle lady tried to take her back with her. Understandably, she'd probably freak. To Rousseau though, it would have been crushing.

I thought that was really neat the way they did that and what's more, it was likely 16 years since Christian had seen Claire, just like the 16 years since Danielle had seen Alex. Claire last was with her father when she was 2 and in this flashback, she is about 18. She doesn't remember him, she doesn't know his name, she hates him and that's exactly what Danielle is afraid of. Don't expect a tearful mother daughter reunion. That was a nice parallel.

Is Claire really only about 18 or 19? I didn't realize that. She seems older to me, like mid-twenties, but I'm sure you all know better than I do! :redface:

Anyway, I like what Shanzy said in the OP - maybe what Danielle said was just foreshadowing to the fact that Jack SEEMS like he might not remember Kate, or at least there is that chance, what with all the brainwashing and whatnot. :) It's a nice connection anyway.