kind of a side issue in this ep., but one none the less.

IMO, desmond appears to be a lot more calm and focused when dealing with his "visions" of the future. his approach to charlie seemed to have been well thought out and the choices he presented had obviously been pre-planned out. to me, this shows that he has aquired a bit of control over the timing of his visions. almost as if he can now "flip ahead" vision by vision in order to create a bigger picture which would make it easier for him to create gameplans by which he could actually "guide" people in and out of situations in order to sidestep bad happenings (at least for the moment). he also seems to be fully aware of the truth to his visions, and realizes his corrections will soon be corrected again.

so, is it possible that if he gains full control of his "seeing", will he be able to lead everyone down the correct path which leads to them getting off the island?

I agree that Desmond seems to be getting a better handle on his visions. However, you are assuming that eventually they will be getting off the Island. Perhaps that never happens, or he has forseen his own death.

I would be wary of giving a future seeing charachter too long a life on this show given the writers inclination to kill off or silence pretty much anyone who could provide a large piece of the puzzle.

I agree that Desmond seems to be getting a better handle on his visions. However, you are assuming that eventually they will be getting off the Island. Perhaps that never happens, or he has forseen his own death.


Yes, what worried me there was at the end when Charlie voice-overs reading the note and right when he says something about never getting off the island (I'll have to watch it again), the camera focuses on Desmond. :frown:

I wish we could have heard the seemingly-heated discussion between Charlie and Des on the beach right before Des went to get the bird.

Is Desmond, seeing everybodies future or just Charlies?
Because right now it's looking like Charlie is the only one in danger of dying.
Or is Desmond busy changing things all over the place and saving all of our losties?
And How long until he changes something to save Charlie and it causes someone else to die?

Is Desmond, seeing everybodies future or just Charlies?
Because right now it's looking like Charlie is the only one in danger of dying.
Or is Desmond busy changing things all over the place and saving all of our losties?
And How long until he changes something to save Charlie and it causes someone else to die?

Those are all excellent questions. :)

My feeling is he's only seeing Charlie's death because something happened with that failsafe key that screwed up Charlie's timeline. If the timeline theory pans out, they've shifted to one in which Charlie was supposed to die, although before the key was turned, he was in one in which he was supposed to live. That's one idea anyway.

The other idea is the island is manipulating Desmond, trying to get him to believe Charlie's death is inevitable so Charlie will die and be removed as an obstacle to Claire and Aaron. If this is true, then saving Charlie is crucial and Des has to persevere.

So long as you don't subscribe to the course correction theory, then no one else need die in Charlie's place. He'll either be saved or he won't.

charlie WAS the only "Lostie" that showed up in Desmonds past.

charlie WAS the only "Lostie" that showed up in Desmonds past.

What about Jack?

What about Jack?

are you talking about the meeting in the stadium? i think you are, and you are correct, that DID happen before the island, but what i talking about was Desmonds jump to the past in the ep. "flashes.."

im not counting out the possibility that the meeting w/jack in the stadium happened in a previous time jump, but we cannot say for sure.

The only think i can think of is Desmond taking over leadership. Which leaves John and Jack out. So in 3X08 when Bai said Jack was to be a great leader, could be that he was destined to be a other? or a survivor, to lead 42 or less people to be saved?

I think it is easier to cope with a strange "gift" like the flashes when you have at least a couple of people who believe you and can talk to you about it. It's probably become substantially easier for him since Charlie, and now Claire, believe that he is having this experience.

Also, to answer a previous question, we know that Des is not JUST seeing visions of Charlie dying, because the first flash he had was of Locke giving his "we'll rescue Jack" speech. Charlie was present there, but in no danger of dying.

Perhaps turning the failsafe created a connection specifically between Desmond and Charlie, which may explain why Charlie seemed so disoriented at the end of LTDA.

That's interesting, Rodimus Ben, the idea that Charlie and Des have a connection, and it somehow came into play during the failsafe. And I agree that Des seems more comfortable with the idea of visions now; I just hope Charlie doesn't end up dying, although the fact that his death is always linked to Claire in some way might suggest that she'll be the one ending up dead eventually, rather than Charlie.