It appears as if locke is on a mission, and i just wanted to point out the possibility that he is carrying out some orders given to him by the good doctor marvin candle after entering 77. It would explain why he took so long getting out of the room, why the explosion didnt seem to suprise him, and his mission to destroy the submarine shown in the preview. Perhaps he is just carrying out orders given to him by the computer, Locke has a way of following things the "Island" tells him to do. Just an idea.

But he is usally not fully rigjt in doing those things

It appears as if locke is on a mission, and i just wanted to point out the possibility that he is carrying out some orders given to him by the good doctor marvin candle after entering 77. It would explain why he took so long getting out of the room, why the explosion didnt seem to suprise him, and his mission to destroy the submarine shown in the preview. Perhaps he is just carrying out orders given to him by the computer, Locke has a way of following things the "Island" tells him to do. Just an idea.

Excellent theory! Maybe we didn't see every relevant part of that scene (much like the scene with Michael at the computer in Season 2, where they only revealed the full scene over the course of a few episodes).

This is my first post, so forgive any repetition...I think what is going on with Locke has been going on since the very beginning of the series! It seems to me that the 'island'(for lack of a better term) gave John Locke the use of his legs back IN EXCHANGE for whatever he now has to do. LOCKE was the one who knocked out Sayid in the first season and destroyed the radio. LOCKE destroyed the Swan AND Flame stations. I think Locke hasn't even been fully aware of his mission until very recently. Perhaps he thought that pushing the button WAS his mission, until he was dissuaded. We DO KNOW, however, the 'island' has threatened to TAKE AWAY his legs(I do not remember the exact episode), and also made him temporarily mute. Maybe he was beginning to stray from his mission even then...I have a feeling that perhaps Locke is here to help the island 'course-correct' by hurting or destroying the Others(who seem to have wiped out Dharma)...

Yes, the fact that in "Par Avion" Locke lied about the C-4, the fact that he actually managed to disconnect a C-4 pack and remove it from the Flame station, even lead me to think that perhaps the Flame station wasn't blown up by entering 77. Locke himself may have purposedly detonated it, following a protocol outlined by Marvin Candle once the code 77 was entered.

If this were true, what Locke told Mikhail just after the Flame station exploded might be looked at in a new perspective. Locke said: Actually, I just played that silly chess game again, and now I realize why you didn't want me to beat it.

Perhaps Locke meant: You didn't want me to learn the protocol outlined by Candle after entering 77; that is, the set of instructions to carry out against the Hostiles.

It's not completely implausible, seeing Locke's behaviour in "Par Avion"...

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Rick

I think thats clear with out bring doctor marvin candle into the story. he wants to distory everything so no one else ie the others can't use it.

I do believe that Lock is on a mission of some sort. Hence his reason for not being patient. Lock is normally the sort to sit and think about 'fate'. Now, he storms through like a wild boar with a mission to get back at Sawyer. Though, of course, Locke's plan is probably entirely different.

we need a Locke post swan implosion flashback like Desmonds.

Locke definitely meant to kill patchy. It’s no secret that he (and Rousseau for that matter) didn’t like the fact that someone who told their little search party that he’s basically waiting for the moment that they drop their guard, and that he wouldn’t hesitate to kill them was being kept alive. The fact is, we basically can’t trust anything that Mikhail said. I tend to believe the story he was telling about “The Purge” in the last episode, because the easiest lies to tell are often the ones that are half-true, but the level of dedication to the secretive nature of their existence makes The Others hard to gauge and almost impossible to trust. All in all, I would much rather test whether or not a security perimeter fence/trap was still working by sacrificing a prisoner (or a pawn, if you like to look at it in terms of a chess game, which the situation on the island most definitely is more often than not) rather than have Kate or Sayid try walking through it to see what will happen.

Locke is like a military general…think back to his first flashback episode (“Tabula Rosa” – Season 1, ep. 3) where he was playing “Risk” or “Axis & Allies” or whatever military strategy board game he was playing during his lunch hour with a co-worker. His opponent said something to him about a development in the game and Locke’s response was “Patience, GL12, is the hallmark of a leader.” We see that recently Kate hasn’t been too good in the patience department, and Sayid doesn’t share Locke’s faith in the supernatural elements of what’s happening on the island, so he’s taking more time strategizing in his own mind before divulging details and information. It’s very much like when the White House decides how much and what info to share with the public. I think Locke is trying to anticipate and cut-down on the many mistakes that our survivors have been making all this time by leaping before they look. Locke is a thinker, plain and simple. I think all of his actions are in an effort to help their side win. I don’t think he’s turning on the survivors.

From the beginning the producers have said they look at the adventures on LOST unfolding as they would in a video game. If you were Locke’s character in a video game, and came across some C4, you’d probably hold on to some because, “you never know when a little C4 might come in handy.” Any experienced gamer would agree with me on that. I do agree that Locke probably got more info than we, as the audience, have been privy to at this point when he entered 77 into the computer. Logically, the self-destruct count-down would’ve been initiated, and the computer would tell the person who entered 77 to leave the building immediately. OR, the computer could’ve instructed him to go down into the basement of the station and activate the explosives manually, which would explain why Locke found the C4 and was able to take some instead of blowing it all up. OR, there could’ve been a single C4 charge sitting on a table next to the computer or on a work-bench behind where he was sitting at the computer, as it seemed to be an equipment room of some kind. The fact is, we just don’t know, and trying to understand the controversy of a situation like that without all the pertinent information leads to incidents like Ana Lucia shooting Shannon. Everyone needs to learn to take a few seconds and think things through before taking drastic action. Jack has proved this time and time again on this show.

Locke is like a military general…think back to his first flashback episode (“Tabula Rosa” – Season 1, ep. 3) where he was playing “Risk” or “Axis & Allies” or whatever military strategy board game he was playing during his lunch hour with a co-worker.

"Tabula Rasa" (not "Rosa") was a Kate flashback episode. Locke's episode was "Walkabout".

...in "Par Avion" Locke lied about the C-4, the fact that he actually managed to disconnect a C-4 pack...

He didn't necessarily disconnect anything - assuming he doesn't secretly know something about the Flame setup, I'd imagine he would've been afraid to mess with a pack of C4 that was wired into the system. On the other hand, though, who's to say there weren't leftover packs of it sitting in a box somewhere in the building?

- mnw

He didn't necessarily disconnect anything - assuming he doesn't secretly know something about the Flame setup, I'd imagine he would've been afraid to mess with a pack of C4 that was wired into the system.


You may be right. I went with the assumption that Locke disconnected the C-4 because when Sayid took the pack out of Locke's bag, the wiring looked cut to me, and the metal pieces necessary to attach the C-4 to the wall were folded around the pack. At first sight it appeared to me the same pack Sayid noticed in the Flame basement. But of course I can't be 100% sure.

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Rick

Yeah i think he got the C4 from the basement as well, but to be quite honest, i dont think it matters where he found it. The important facts are; he has it and he lied about it/concealed it.

It appears as if locke is on a mission, and i just wanted to point out the possibility that he is carrying out some orders given to him by the good doctor marvin candle after entering 77

Brilliant eunlim1ted, I think you are absolutely right. I think it's quite possible that Marvin Candle gave him some further instructions.

when i saw the station explode and locke saying "i know why you didn't want me to win" i thought there's somethign the didn't show us. i'm certain that he recieved some orders and he will do anything to get them done..

Yes, the fact that in "Par Avion" Locke lied about the C-4, the fact that he actually managed to disconnect a C-4 pack and remove it from the Flame station, even lead me to think that perhaps the Flame station wasn't blown up by entering 77. Locke himself may have purposedly detonated it, following a protocol outlined by Marvin Candle once the code 77 was entered.

I have very serious doubts that Locke got the C4 from removing it from the walls in the basement. There has been a huge amount of discussion about what the Code 77 was all about, starting after "Enter 77" aired. There are some screencaps that clearly show that wiring was being installed when Kate, Sayid and Locke showed up at the Flame. There was wiring sitting on the coffee table, and that particular wiring was located nowhere else in the Flame except being connected to the C4 in the basement and the back of the computer that Locke used. This implies that Klugh and/or Mikhail were installing the wiring and the C4 just before the Losties showed up.

What this also implies is that the Code 77 did not trigger the detonation, but rather did something else. If the C4 was just being installed, then Wickman would not have known about it and by telling whomever to enter 77, would not have had it trigger the explosion.

If the C4 was being installed by Klugh and/or Mikhail, it is entirely feasible that some of the C4 was still on the first floor - probably in or on the work table next to the door. That's probably where Locke got it from. Why else would he have said "Why didn't you tell me the C4 was in the basement?" to Kate and Sayid? If Kate had been with him the whole time they were both searching the Flame, then she would have known if Locke had gone into the basement, and would have replied back "WHy didn't you see it yourself when you were down there?" It's obvious, in my opinion, that Locke got the C4 from the first floor - and this only adds support to the theory that the 77 Code did not detonate the newly-installed C4 in the basement, but did something else instead.

So, what did happen after the code was entered, if it didn't detonate the C4?

I don't think it made the computer try to communicate to the outside world. Why? Because Locke only got the directive to enter 77 after he had responded negatively to the queries about whether the satellite dish and sonar were in working order. So, since those were the only two ways for the Flame to communicate to the outside world, what would be the point of entering 77 if it was only going to try to communicate to the outside if this was impossible? Of course it wouldn't make sense.

So, we can rule out that entering the code would inform the outside world.

What we're left with is a couple of options:

1) Wickman gave specific instructions to do something - perhaps even kill whomever was in the station (which is why Locke threw Mikhail into the fence the next day).

2) The computer would initiate a self-destruct sequence, erasing all data and making the computer system on the island inoperable. This may still have been part of what we find has happened.

3) Something else we don't know about yet.



So my theory is that due to the fact that it is fairly apparent that the C4 was freshly installed, the 77 Code would not have detonated the building, and due to the fact that the communications systems were down, the 77 Code did not try to communicate to the outside world. Instead, it issued a set of instructions to whomever entered the code, and then proceeded to self destruct the entire computer grid on the island.