Dont know if this theory has come up yet, but hear me out...

Jack's dad is the head guy of the Others, Dharma, you name it, but he is the real one in charge.

Jack takes his body back home on the plane, but the casket is found, but no body. Jack sees him in the woods, but we all take it as a figment of his imagination. While Jack is locked up by the others, his dads voice is heard over the speaker.

And now we find out that he is Claires father, along with several ties to the other lost characters.

Now here is the stretch. Remember when a page of the script was "leaked" on the island website...It read something like, "Jack opened the door and found that he was looking at himself."

What if Christian had twins of Jack...the "Twin" was always on the island, and the Jack we know lived his normal life. The Jack we saw throwing around the football was the twin (we never got a real good look at his tattoos). Not to mention that it would be no stretch that Christian had several family memebers in the world the way he gets around.

Heck, Maybe Jack is the "Bad Twin"...oh snap...

....that theory is so crazy, that there's a very good chance it just might be true!!

Heck you've nearly convinced me....

I still like the cloning theory from Season One. Two Jacks--not twins, exactly. Clones.

I like the Christian Is Alive theory you suggested, Jay. It would explain a lot of the unexplained.

Why was he so insistent that Claire's mom should die???? And when Claire asks why he stopped visiting, he says 'cause your aunt hated me...', huh?

Dont know if this theory has come up yet...

Oh, it comes up a lot, trust me. :lol2:

Jack's dad is the head guy of the Others, Dharma, you name it, but he is the real one in charge.

He's dead. I'm going to stick to that theory for a while. :biggrin: And my eternal problem with Christian as a leader of anything is this:

1. He is "weak". Those are his own words. Everything from his bar conversation with Sawyer indicates a man faced with his demons who knows HE's the one who doesn't have what it takes.

2. He runs from responsibility and blames everything on fate. Running a super sekkrit organization requires quite a bit of committment, not to mention the kind of time a neurosurgeon doesn't have on his hands.

3. Last, but not least... if he was in charge of such a powerful organzation, how come he couldn't pull some strings to keep his medical career afloat after he killed that woman on the operating table? You'd think such a powerful man wouldn't allow his life to fall into disaray like that. Would "HIM" be stripped of his license so easily?

What if Christian had twins of Jack...

The writers have recently confirmed that there are NO twins on the show and no twin connection. They've also said that Christian is dead, but he will appear in flashbacks. I love him, so I hope this wasn't his last one.

Well, now that Claudia blew a hole through that thoery faster than rock beats paper...

Thanks for the insight

Well, now that Claudia blew a hole through that thoery faster than rock beats paper...

Thanks for the insight

LOL. I have a lot of practice, don't take it personally. Seriously, I love reading Christian theories and I can see where they come from, but some things just don't fit his character.

I can see him involved with THF/whatever in some capacity, he's just no leader of men.

I agree with Claudia815's assessment of Christian as weak and plagued by demons. It does not seem to be an act, as far as I can tell...

I still cant wait to get a "resonable" answer as to how the important characters were the ones that survived the crash. If "whoevers in charge" wanted these particular people to get on this island, would a plane crash be the safest way (and guarantee that they would live).

And the Russian was Anthony Kedis' dad...interesting.

Then who's body was in the morgue in Australia when Jack identified it as his father?

Dont know if this theory has come up yet, but hear me out...

Jack's dad is the head guy of the Others, Dharma, you name it, but he is the real one in charge.

Jack takes his body back home on the plane, but the casket is found, but no body. Jack sees him in the woods, but we all take it as a figment of his imagination. While Jack is locked up by the others, his dads voice is heard over the speaker.

And now we find out that he is Claires father, along with several ties to the other lost characters.

Now here is the stretch. Remember when a page of the script was "leaked" on the island website...It read something like, "Jack opened the door and found that he was looking at himself."

What if Christian had twins of Jack...the "Twin" was always on the island, and the Jack we know lived his normal life. The Jack we saw throwing around the football was the twin (we never got a real good look at his tattoos). Not to mention that it would be no stretch that Christian had several family memebers in the world the way he gets around.

Heck, Maybe Jack is the "Bad Twin"...oh snap...I love it!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Why on earth would the Jack that we know be playing football with Tom and be so happy and content and comfortable that he would spike the ball in the endzone?:confused:

Even more shocking, did I see lovehandles on Jack? My eyes might be so tired from being on the Fuselage so often this year month...;)
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Screencap of Jack (???) spiking the ball. Someone in the Quest Thread (Comfortably Numb) posted it and commented on the red tattoo...can anyone else comment on that being different from his usual tattoos? I'm embarrassed that I can't...

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1262-714.html

I doubt that Christian is in charge, cuz like Claudia pointed out, he's no leader. But here's a brilliant doc without a license to practice who's kind of lost in life. Then along comes the Recruiters to invite him to the island. I'll bet he went to Claire's house to try to get her and baby to come with. One flaw in this theory, is why would Ben wait for Jack to operate?

But Christian lives, I'm sure of it.

Since Season 1 I believe Christian to be the LOST Darth Vader. And as the series goes on, my belief just gets stronger and stronger.

C'mon, It's very clear that the Hostiles have an special interest on Jack , Claire and Aaron; and all three are blood-related to Christian Vader! :rolleyes:

That's a really good point... Christian may be doing just that...

And it may have been Jack's father, but how do we know that he wasn't just in a coma? We were told he was dead, but they've made those mistakes many times before. My father had a heart attack, and was in a coma. It didn't look like he was breathing, and his heart was beating so faintly that the machine couldn't pick it up. But the day we were supposed to pick him up from the morgue, he's sitting on the table very confused.

Also, much like the island 'healed' Locke, maybe it did the same to Christian. It brought him back to health...?

well with a name like Christian Shephard you could probably get a few followers. (i know the Shephard should be spelled shepherd in order to be a herder or sheep but it's close enough)

That stands to reason seeing that he's fallen for Juliet. He grew those love handles for her to hold onto. Her sandwiches with the toothpicks were behind it all.Now it all comes into focus...;)

That's a really good point... Christian may be doing just that...

And it may have been Jack's father, but how do we know that he wasn't just in a coma? We were told he was dead, but they've made those mistakes many times before. My father had a heart attack, and was in a coma. It didn't look like he was breathing, and his heart was beating so faintly that the machine couldn't pick it up. But the day we were supposed to pick him up from the morgue, he's sitting on the table very confused.

Also, much like the island 'healed' Locke, maybe it did the same to Christian. It brought him back to health...?Are you kidding? Your dad was put into the morgue and then he sat up?

I started thinking after last nights episode that jack's dad is more involved in this whole thing than previously thought. I was thinking the Jack they saw last night was a clone, but I could go with the twin idea as well.

Even if it's not possible, I do like the idea of Christian being alive and the mastermind behind the Others. :)

Yeah, what's up with all the twin clues and no twin payoff?

The manuscript "The Bad Twin" was supposed to play into things somehow. After Walt was captured by the seabillies, the writers pointed out that the two guys with Tom on the boat were twins. They said that was a clue, or imortant, or something. THEY pointed it out.

Now they say there are no twins on the island?

They can't just give us pieces of the puzzle for 3 years, then repaint the puzzle. What would be the point of us gathering clues if they are going to change their minds mid stream? That might be enough to send me packing. We have all put a lot of time and brainpower into attempting to solve this puzzle.

I hope that eventually ALL the clues make sense.

They can't just give us pieces of the puzzle for 3 years, then repaint the puzzle.
I like your use of wording there ;).

I hope that eventually ALL the clues make sense.
This kind of thing turns my attention to the people creating this story. Abrams, IMO, is probably more hit than miss (I liked Felicity but didn't care much for Alias), and Lindeloff has proven himself as a good writer, as has Cuse. I think it'll all add up well enough in the end.

What ever happened to the twins that were in the boat at the end of Season 1?

Yeah, what's up with all the twin clues and no twin payoff?

The manuscript "The Bad Twin" was supposed to play into things somehow. After Walt was captured by the seabillies, the writers pointed out that the two guys with Tom on the boat were twins. They said that was a clue, or imortant, or something. THEY pointed it out.

Now they say there are no twins on the island?

They can't just give us pieces of the puzzle for 3 years, then repaint the puzzle. What would be the point of us gathering clues if they are going to change their minds mid stream? That might be enough to send me packing. We have all put a lot of time and brainpower into attempting to solve this puzzle.

I hope that eventually ALL the clues make sense.I agree with you, MPMom! I asked Javi a question about the whole twins and clones thing a long time ago, when he was still working on the show. He kept it in his video "Ask Javi" section of his website. I wanted to know if the guys on the boat that took Walt were twins or clones. Obviously, I wanted to know which one they were because of what the difference implies, but he didn't say, although he gave a funny answer with two Javis in the video...I want twins and clones to be involved somehow because it was stressed tht they were very important for awhile...TPTB saying that they have nothing to do with the show, well, I don't believe it...

They can't just give us pieces of the puzzle for 3 years, then repaint the puzzle.I think we ought to give them some leeway with regard to comments they make in the podcasts or on the boards. In five hundred years when Lost is considered as much as classic as The Tempest, its internal consistency will only be judged on the contents of the episodes!

There is a mystery around Christian which I haven't seen discussed: why did he think he needed a bodyguard on his last trip to Australia?

I think he was deeper in than we know.

--Väi

Dont know if this theory has come up yet, but hear me out...

Jack's dad is the head guy of the Others, Dharma, you name it, but he is the real one in charge.

Jack takes his body back home on the plane, but the casket is found, but no body. Jack sees him in the woods, but we all take it as a figment of his imagination. While Jack is locked up by the others, his dads voice is heard over the speaker.

And now we find out that he is Claires father, along with several ties to the other lost characters.

Now here is the stretch. Remember when a page of the script was "leaked" on the island website...It read something like, "Jack opened the door and found that he was looking at himself."

What if Christian had twins of Jack...the "Twin" was always on the island, and the Jack we know lived his normal life. The Jack we saw throwing around the football was the twin (we never got a real good look at his tattoos). Not to mention that it would be no stretch that Christian had several family memebers in the world the way he gets around.

Heck, Maybe Jack is the "Bad Twin"...oh snap...

Didnt Jack find his Dad and bury him on the island? How can the man be orchestrating this if he is dead?

I'm very likely out on a limb here (and a flimsy one at that), but could it possible there are two Christians?

Jack did get his father's body on the plane, when the plane crashed, Jack found the casket, but no body. Body has never been found, that we know of.

Here is my two cents after watching the episode again. I do believe that Christian is somehow involved with Dharma or the Others in some way. The Others were very intent on getting to Claire's baby, they injected her with something, so they say, but they also did do some experients on her, so maybe they were extracting the baby's dna because it would contain some of Christian's and according to the Other's it wouldn't be flawed, hasn't been born yet.
Then, when Claire and Christian were having coffee he was telling her that there was another way around the legal ramifications, another way to keep her mom alive, sounds very Dharma/Other-ish. She didn't let him explain anymore because she was furious at him.
There are many, many holes in this theory, but think it is interesting how Christian keeps poping up in people's lives, people on Flight 815 specifically. I am waiting for next week to see Christian as one of Locke's doctors. That is how the Other's knew about him being paralyzed, maybe Christian was being recruited much like Juliet. Maybe he thought he could save the world like Mikahail as a way to pay for his short comings in life. Maybe that is how Claire's mom had an accident much like Juliet's ex husband, all connected to Dharma/Others somehow. Christian may have been recruiting people for the experiments.

Just some thoughts.

Yeah, what's up with all the twin clues and no twin payoff?

The manuscript "The Bad Twin" was supposed to play into things somehow. After Walt was captured by the seabillies, the writers pointed out that the two guys with Tom on the boat were twins. They said that was a clue, or imortant, or something. THEY pointed it out.

Now they say there are no twins on the island?

They can't just give us pieces of the puzzle for 3 years, then repaint the puzzle. What would be the point of us gathering clues if they are going to change their minds mid stream? That might be enough to send me packing. We have all put a lot of time and brainpower into attempting to solve this puzzle.

I hope that eventually ALL the clues make sense.

You can also add to the "where's the twin's at?" question:

Jacob = means 'supplanter' (to take the place of (another), as through force, scheming, strategy, or the like. 2. to replace (one thing) by something else) or 'one who grasps the heel;' this is because the biblical Jacob was born holding his twin brother's heel.

In the biblical story, God chose to love one twin and hate the other, for no reason other than that Divine Will allowed Him to do so. God loved Jacob and hated his twin, Esau not because of anything that they did, but because of "God's purpose according to His choice."

From "Not in Portland" brainwashing video: "God loves you as he loves Jacob."

(interesting side note: Henry Ian Cusick’s (Desmond) son in real life is named Esau)
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I started thinking after last nights episode that jack's dad is more involved in this whole thing than previously thought. I was thinking the Jack they saw last night was a clone, but I could go with the twin idea as well.

Ponder this:

What if the number 5 on Jack's arm was his clone number? Jack #5?

I'll agree with kittibean here that Christian may also be a clone, that's why he is on the Island and perhaps Jacob?

Now picking up on this, Jack may also be a clone, and I'd like to throw out a theory that's been buggin' me and so may be a link to all this Jack's a clone talk.

TPTB said sometime last year there was a clue in the pilot episode we had all missed. I remember everyone on these boards discussing this and then dismissing it and then discussing it all over again.

Well here's what I think is that possible missing 'clue'. In the pilot we see Jack run out onto the beach after the crash. First we see him from one angle
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-24.html

and then the camera PANS and sort of skips, and we see a second almost NEW view of him

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-27.html

Now I've always thought that was a strange shot, but just dismissed it as 'arty'. But when all this clone talk started it made me think, is Jack a clone? Is this shot a secret clue or easter egg pointing us to this fact? Watch that scene again and tell me what you think.

Nice theory, Jaydubb. Good job tying in those little details (I like the Bad Twin reference!)

Anyone else think Christian had a lot to do with Claire's plan to have the baby adopted in LosAngeles? Or at least to get her on flight 815?

What if...the casket was empty because the body never made it in time because of the paperwork involved . Jack had an argument at the airport with the airline clerk about having the casket absolutely on board because he had people waiting in Los Angeles for the funeral . He seemend very anxious about it. I think that he boarded the plane without the body and that is why he was so upset about seeing his father on the island !

Chrisitian is a very confusing character on this show. I like the fact that he presents the polar opposite of who Jack is in that he is prone to cut corners and is very weak when it comes to being a leader. I'm pretty convinced that he is dead, I like to think that on Lost when someone dies, they die so that it's one less thing that I'm confused about. I do feel that there is a good chance that he was involved in the plane crash somehow before he died though because of his interaction with at least four losties in previous episodes. This show has showed us that powerful men pre-island have influenced a lot of our losties and i'm not going to be surprised if we find out that all of them belong to the hanso foundation or mittleos or one of those groups that has ties to the island.

I love it!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

Why on earth would the Jack that we know be playing football with Tom and be so happy and content and comfortable that he would spike the ball in the endzone?:confused:

Even more shocking, did I see lovehandles on Jack? My eyes might be so tired from being on the Fuselage so often this year month...;)
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Screencap of Jack (???) spiking the ball. Someone in the Quest Thread (Comfortably Numb) posted it and commented on the red tattoo...can anyone else comment on that being different from his usual tattoos? I'm embarrassed that I can't...

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1262-714.html

I think it is the same as it ever was. But we do find out one very important thing...Touchdown Jack!!!!

I think that the only way for a Jack/Claire sibling reveal is to have Christian show up on the island and they both are like "Dad?" and then look at each other. boom. LOST. Can predict it now. I don't think he is the main man behind the whole island conspiracy but he could easily be one of the bosses. I'm just waiting for the Losties to finally find where on the island the head honcho's hang out drinking mai tais and playing golf, and they all turn around to reveal Christian, Sun's Dad, Locke's Dad(real Sawyer), Mr. Widmore, Mr. Pace, Kate's real dad, and Michael all with evil looks. Daddy issues to the max!

Edited to include Michael as walterneff points out.

I like that "Bad Dad" theory TheNextHegemon (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/member.php?u=16151) can we add Michael into that rat pack?

Another poster on The Fuselage (Dr. Suds, I think?) is a FOAF of JJ Abrams and has posted quite often on JJ's interest in magic tricks, implying that some of these "mysterious things" that keep happening to our Losties may be less mystery and more magic -- perhaps some long-con version of slight-of-hand (although whose hand is still in question).

In this spirit, I would say that Christian's empty casket seems like a perfect magician's prop -- as in abracadabra and Christian transforms from a dead weak alcoholic screw-up to a live, powerful leader of a creepy island cult. Of course, it's not real magic -- but could the last couple of his years have been part of a long con on his family, friends and colleagues, prepping the way for his eternal exit to Dharma Isle? Could it be why he was so desperate to see Claire one last time? Or perhaps the bodyguard comment was meant for us to think his life was in danger, thus giving him a motive for dosing himself with some heart-stopping drug, popping into the box and recovering mid-flight to live out his life on a remote desert island?

It's all very "Flight Plan", but, unlike that movie, to my mind at least, it's remotely plausible.

I still like the cloning theory from Season One. Two Jacks--not twins, exactly. Clones.

I like the Christian Is Alive theory you suggested, Jay. It would explain a lot of the unexplained.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=52552

There are no clones. - One of TPTB @ ComicCon

Dead bodies will stay dead. - Damon Lindelof
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Another poster on The Fuselage (Dr. Suds, I think?) is a FOAF of JJ Abrams and has posted quite often on JJ's interest in magic tricks, implying that some of these "mysterious things" that keep happening to our Losties may be less mystery and more magic -- perhaps some long-con version of slight-of-hand (although whose hand is still in question).

In this spirit, I would say that Christian's empty casket seems like a perfect magician's prop -- as in abracadabra and Christian transforms from a dead weak alcoholic screw-up to a live, powerful leader of a creepy island cult. Of course, it's not real magic -- but could the last couple of his years have been part of a long con on his family, friends and colleagues, prepping the way for his eternal exit to Dharma Isle? Could it be why he was so desperate to see Claire one last time? Or perhaps the bodyguard comment was meant for us to think his life was in danger, thus giving him a motive for dosing himself with some heart-stopping drug, popping into the box and recovering mid-flight to live out his life on a remote desert island?

It's all very "Flight Plan", but, unlike that movie, to my mind at least, it's remotely plausible.

I always thought the bodyguard thing was because he was trying to protect himself FROM himself. He knew he was a wreck and was going to do something stupid like get violent (which he did), so he brought Ana along to make sure someone stepped in.

I remember the "dead bodies will stay dead" but I think they could easily have made that statment to refer to the Losties who die. Shannon and Boone and Ana and such. We know the power of Mittelos/Dharma/Hanso could easily have faked Christian's death and if they can control time (Juliets bus) what makes it not possible that they could have saved/revived him. I like the idea that he was leading this path of destruction as a cover so Jack wouldn't come after him.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=52552

There are no clones. - One of TPTB @ ComicCon

Dead bodies will stay dead. - Damon Lindelof

*sigh* Thank you. Also, the Two For The Road script mentions that Christian is walking towards the bar and he will die in the backalley a few hours later. Not that it matters that much, because it's all a part of a long con, the writers are lying, etc. I don't want to be a killjoy and tell people what to speculate about; it's half the fun of watching this show.

But Christian's dead.

And even if he's not dead (which he is... I'm just saying), he's not the leader of anything because leadership=committement and Christian SUCKED at it and tried to avoid responsibility his whole life. It's against everything his character was written to be as a counterpoint to Jack's issues and their relationship.

I think that the only way for a Jack/Claire sibling reveal is to have Christian show up on the island and they both are like "Dad?" and then look at each other. boom. LOST. Can predict it now.

The Others kindapped all three of Christian's descendants at some point or another (they wanted Aaron and ran tests on him and Claire and we know they drew blood from Jack) and they know personal details about both of them. Christian paid bills and mortgages in Australia so it wouldn't be that hard to put two and two together with a little research, even without the gossip that's inherent to every hospital. Jack doesn't know he has a sister but it's possible that Margo, his mom, does know it, or one of Christian's friends, etc.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=72768Just wanted to direct people to the ideas and questions I had on Christian...so go here.

Christian may very well be "HIM," but the reason why I don't think it would be plausible for him to have been the leader all along, is that, from what we know of his life, he was not only not leader material (as many here have said), but that he was living an entire life in the real world. I'd think that someone who was the supreme leader of the Others would have to spend quite alot of time on the island.

I must say, though, I really love the idea that maybe the plane crashed just to get Christian and descendents there to the island, but why?

I still hold that there are two Christians -- twins, maybe, not clones. One Christian is out in the real world -- fathering children like crazy, botching surgery, whinging about being weak & whatnot -- and one on the island, orchestrating... well, I'm not entirely sure what. And I don't think Dead Christian really knows about the existence of Island Christian.

Now Dead Christian has a couple of known offspring. If Island Christian is who Patchy referred to as "a magnificent man", wouldn't he want to spread said magnificent genes around some too? But maybe he can't. The Others seem to be kind of, well, barren -- hence Juliet, a fertility doctor. Maybe it's on account of all the electromagnetivity. But there's Jack, carrying half of those same genes, as does Claire, and even Aaron's got a share. Wouldn't it be so convenient if he could find a way to get them to the island?

Now Jack's dad died. His casket, however, was found empty. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if there'd been a bit of bodysnatching there by the Others. And Jack does see his dad - - or does he see Island Christian? Perhaps the Others were after Dead Christian's body -- knowing that if Jack was there, then that casket was too.

Yeah, I know this theory's so full of holes you could call it swiss cheese and slap it on a sandwich, but I do think there's far more to Christian than meets the eye.

I'm surprised that no one has brought up the theory that Jack didn't see his dad roaming around the island in season one... he probably saw Smokey taking the appearence of Christian Shepherd.

I didn't recall hearing him say to actually let her "die." Didn't he just say that there were several ways to end her suffering, some of which were not exactly legal?? She took it as wanting to kill her mom and he said nothing because she was so upset. It is plausible that he meant to take her to the island or a Dharma facility. These "methods" could have lead to losing his license as well. ??? Just my .02

I didn't recall hearing him say to actually let her "die." Didn't he just say that there were several ways to end her suffering, some of which were not exactly legal?? She took it as wanting to kill her mom and he said nothing because she was so upset. It is plausible that he meant to take her to the island or a Dharma facility. These "methods" could have lead to losing his license as well. ??? Just my .02

He lost his license because he operated on a patient while under the influence. We saw it on camera.

IMHO, it's not Jack, or Christian who are clones... but everyone from the plane is a clone. There never was a plane crash in fact... the Dharma people cloned them all, set them back and "staged" the crash to watch the experiment in human behaviour unfold.

I've thought from season one that it's interesting that almost every episode begins with someone opening their eyes...waking up... then each one of those beginnings may just be the starting day for that particular clone version (#5 lol). Maybe the reason the Others (who have got to be Dharma) put spies into the camps at first was to watch how the clones all woke up. Then the spies start making "The List" of the clones who don't seem to be flawed. Things went bad (as they of course have to) and soon people were dying and things were out of control.

The Dharma Initiative recruited Juliet who is a reproductive specialist... Christian obviously has ties to a lot of the survivors and more then likely worked for Dharma. Maybe his real son Jack died and he abused his position with Dharma to clone Jack illegally. So that made Christian be in trouble with Dharma (hence needing a bodyguard) and that's why Ben and everyone wants Jack so much.

I know this is all gonna tie together somehow.. I just can't wait to see how :) Hope you guys don't mind a little theory in here too.. sorry if so.

My guess is they're all robots, excepts for their head which is made of wood.
Watch closely and you'll see.

I'll agree with kittibean here that Christian may also be a clone, that's why he is on the Island and perhaps Jacob?

Now picking up on this, Jack may also be a clone, and I'd like to throw out a theory that's been buggin' me and so may be a link to all this Jack's a clone talk.

TPTB said sometime last year there was a clue in the pilot episode we had all missed. I remember everyone on these boards discussing this and then dismissing it and then discussing it all over again.

Well here's what I think is that possible missing 'clue'. In the pilot we see Jack run out onto the beach after the crash. First we see him from one angle
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-24.html

and then the camera PANS and sort of skips, and we see a second almost NEW view of him

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-3-27.html

Now I've always thought that was a strange shot, but just dismissed it as 'arty'. But when all this clone talk started it made me think, is Jack a clone? Is this shot a secret clue or easter egg pointing us to this fact? Watch that scene again and tell me what you think.

Wow. That is interesting...could there have been 2 "Jacks" on the plane? and wearing the same suit??

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-47-381.html
Jack's had the tatt on his arm from the beginning.

I don't know if Christian is "him" and I don't know if there are clones but I do think that he is part of it all. Back in Par Avion when he is speaking to Claire about her mother's condition, Christian says something about alternatives and Claire thinks he wants to end life support. but he said something about experimental. I think he was talking about experimental drugs that could help. Then when he was "dead" the experimental drugs were used on him and he came back. That's why Jack saw an empty casket and no daddy.
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I totally agree with you about the camera angle...and yes, I thought it was artsy too but it was too weird. It was like he was looking around and then he was sucked into the airplane crash sounds. First there was nothing there and as the camera turned...and then, yes there was. I agree that this is the clue.

Why on earth would the Jack that we know be playing football with Tom and be so happy and content and comfortable that he would spike the ball in the endzone?:confused:


Great Point!

Perhaps you missed my point erin1679 (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/member.php?u=13664). I didn't mean to say there were TWO Jack's on the plane. Just that it could be evidence of a clone or some other mysterious 'doubling' on the island. It is a strange camera movement is all I'm saying... At least I've got one believer... thanks marshmallopeep5979. (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/member.php?u=53117)

I've started to take to the idea that Jack's dad is "Him" as well.

1) The Others are masters of deception, and we know that they traffic to and from the mainland. In fact, by Isabel's implications, a vast majority may reside off of the island - which most likely includes their "main" people - or person. If Christian is, in fact, "him", then he would be a master of deception as well. Every single encounter, from start to finish, that he's had with any of the Losties, including his own son, could've been completely intentional and purposeful towards . . . whatever it is the Others are trying to do.

2) It's been heavily implied that the "visions" are a result of goings-on with Smokey, so Jack's wierd visions of Christian may have been just that. But the coffin was awkward. It was incredibly suspicious. What if Christian was drugged . . . 007-style? Some sort of sedative that makes the subject appear dead for a certain amount of time?

I dunno.

It'd be easier just to think of it being Jack's mom. Hell, we only saw her once - ever. And there's no dancing around whether or not she's alive. And the Others just say "him" deceptively. Or it's Marvin Cangle. Or it's Smokey - and Smokey's behind it all - and he can obviously appear as a human leader to the Others if he wants to.