Kate volunteered to be the first one to climb the branch over the fence. Not really a surprise, since the mission was her idea and she's an excellent climber. (I loved her expression of victory when she reached the top, by the way.)
But this isn't the first time she's volunteered for a life-threatening stunt. She was the first one to go down the hatch, and she insisted on carrying the dynamite back from the Black Rock (lucky for her Jack switched the backpacks or she would've exploded when she took off running).
Does this suggest more than simple bravery? When she wanted to carry the dynamite, she said "That's why I came. I need to do this." Perhaps she's trying to atone for some of her crimes before the crash by putting herself in danger first on a necessary mission, rather than let others.

And notice how Locke was present all three times and let her/encouraged her to go first. What does that say about Locke?

And notice how Locke was present all three times and let her/encouraged her to go first. What does that say about Locke?

Interesting. But what could Locke have done otherwise? Get into an argument with her? It is is not the time. I think Locke was correct in taking a "be my guest" stance.

My first question is would digging a hole under the fence have worked? And why not a conventional fence of reinforced concrete and/or chainlink fencing with barbed wire? Maybe shipping all that concrete would be too cumbersome or expensive, but that "sonic" fencing can't be cheap and it needs a constant power source. Was sonic fencing used, perhaps, because it is able to protect the perimitter from things that the conventional fencing would be utterly useless against?

And notice how Locke was present all three times and let her/encouraged her to go first. What does that say about Locke?


That he is the exact oppposite of Jack. :biggrin:

Really, though, he did the same thing with "letting" Boone go up in the plane. *still insanely bitter about that*

What I found hilarious is the pause she gave after saying she would go first, like she was waiting for someone to voice opposition. None of the others said a thing! hahahaa. Makes her miss Jack more i bet lol

What I found hilarious is the pause she gave after saying she would go first, like she was waiting for someone to voice opposition. None of the others said a thing! hahahaa. Makes her miss Jack more i bet lol


Sawyer too. Neither of those guys would have let her take the lead in that kind of situation, regardless of how good a climber she is. But, I guess it would be too much to expect to have every guy on the island falling all over themselves to protect her. Two hot heroic men should be more than enough for any girl.

Interesting. But what could Locke have done otherwise? Get into an argument with her? It is is not the time. I think Locke was correct in taking a "be my guest" stance.

My first question is would digging a hole under the fence have worked? And why not a conventional fence of reinforced concrete and/or chainlink fencing with barbed wire? Maybe shipping all that concrete would be too cumbersome or expensive, but that "sonic" fencing can't be cheap and it needs a constant power source. Was sonic fencing used, perhaps, because it is able to protect the perimitter from things that the conventional fencing would be utterly useless against?

I thought this was kind of funny, cause no matter what kind of fence they would have installed, Kate would have found a way over it. Maybe that pause was her like "here goes, hope I don't get fried" look. maybe she was counting to five. Kate is just a brave person, and can hang with the boys of the island, And maybe she does have some need to contribute, as a need for redemption, to prove to herself that she is not a bad person. Ok I'm just rambling on here, sorry.

Interesting. But what could Locke have done otherwise? Get into an argument with her? It is is not the time. I think Locke was correct in taking a "be my guest" stance.

My first question is would digging a hole under the fence have worked? And why not a conventional fence of reinforced concrete and/or chainlink fencing with barbed wire? Maybe shipping all that concrete would be too cumbersome or expensive, but that "sonic" fencing can't be cheap and it needs a constant power source. Was sonic fencing used, perhaps, because it is able to protect the perimitter from things that the conventional fencing would be utterly useless against?

There is a couple of ideas floating around about the nature of the fence
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=72415

In any event, I think that Kate is taking full advantage of starting over. She wants to be a good person. Being a good person means being brave and taking chances to do good even if it means that you will wind up hurt or dead because of your actions.

Plus, she is just one tough cookie to start with. She lived through quite a few things that should have killed her, so she might just be over-confident now. Who knows what goes through that chick's mind?

Said the same thing....well, there goes Kate, first down the hatch now this....my husband seems to think that if the killing field was that wide there would have been some at the top too..he is an electrician....but glad all are ok...how are they going to get back?

Was sonic fencing used, perhaps, because it is able to protect the perimitter from things that the conventional fencing would be utterly useless against?

Yes, well spotted mr_find, I think the purpose of the perimeter fence may be to keep The Monster out.

Maybe even it is to keep Androids (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=72563)in or out. It's a bit of a wild theory that one, but I'm going to keep it in mind, you never know!

The simple answer, the one that went through my mind during the scene anyway: Evangeline is a bit of a tomboy and likes to climb trees. This has been mentioned on DVD commentary, and you'll notice they've shown her doing so quite a few times over the course of the show. They wanted to show someone actually climbing the fence, and she was the obvious pick.

She is so cute. I love girls who are tomboys. Now guys who are like girls--not so much.haha

I have never been one to jump on the Kate as an other bandwagon.....but this episode has made me think about it more than ever. First when she is in the jungle and Mikael says "you are going the right way" that whole scene really gave me a different perspective on things. And then your point of her climbing into danger first all the time.

Kate is also pretty funny in this scene, just before she climbs the tree.

After they all push the tree onto the pylon and Sayid starts his little tech talk, Kate walks towards her backpack and throws her arms up in a "whatever" attitude then KICKS her backpack and rifle before picking it up! hahaha, I love little rebel Kate!

Evangeline is a tree climber. That's why Kate's the only one we really saw climbing the tree. Locke just scooted up a foot or two. ;)

Kate was great in this epi! It's so good to have the old Kate back and not the one that appeared beaten down while on the other island.

And she is NOT an Other! Why do people want to see things that aren't there? She was frustrated and wanted to get to Jack so she asked Mikail if they were going the right way, in which he responds that they are. And how does always putting herself in danger first make her an Other? :confused:

And notice how Locke was present all three times and let her/encouraged her to go first. What does that say about Locke?

That he's got common sense:biggrin:

At least this time she's climbing into danger and not tripping and falling into danger.

That he's got common sense:biggrin:


Kate scares me a lot more than Locke does. I believe his actions will ultimately prove to be beneficial to the Losties.

Kate charges in with only her own emotions and desires in front of her. Her indecision in her love life has put Losties in danger at one time or another during the show.

Specifically, why is Sayid on this mission to find Jack? Cuz Kate wanted it.

Why is Locke on this mission? Cuz Kate wanted it.

She baited both men to follow her to Danielle.

Why didn't she ask Sawyer to come with her?

And Kate? Well, does she or doesn't she love Jack.

Kate needs to learn to take people at their word. Stay means stay. Don't get involved means just that. If you kiss me and I don't grab you madly probably has a bit of a hint of in it.

Don't come back, well, that's pretty specific.

Yes, I know there are a dozen reasons, but they are all KATE'S reasons.

Maybe she needs a closer looking at. Something as simple as learning boundaries or something as deep as Typhoid Mary.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Kate has a big motivation to get over to the other's camp. So to set the example of going over first was smart. She's a brave gal, very cool.