I almost want to go out on a limb and say that Locke is some kind of prodigal son to the Dharma Initiative. However, keeping grounded with the episode, there seemed to be an interesting connection between Locke and Patchy, as though they(Dharma, whoever) are the reason Locke was in a wheelchair. Getting to the irony, Patchy said that the Losties couldnt understand because they are "flawed." Remember when Benry told Locke in the pre-implosion hatch that he was "one of the good ones." Locke has taken a departure from the character he was when the plane first crashed on the island. IMO, Locke was not flawed after the plane crashed because he had his anger, shame, and frustration taken away when he realized that he could walk again;hence the comment from Benry. However, now he is flawed(irony) because of the island and thus may have lost his seemingly elite status with the others.

In another thread I stated that Locke killed Patchy to hide the fact that he was paralyzed a while longer. I think it's pretty obviious that Locke is sabotaging the Losties efforts to leave because he doesn't want to.

Was/IS he part of Dharma on a mission to reclaim the island???? I have no idea but we know that he has a strong desire to be part of something bigger than himself -- IE commune.

I'm beginning to think that Locke is a bad guy in all of this, which is how I felt about him in the first episode when I saw that scar over his right eye.

True that. Thats why the reference to him being the prodigal son. Also, I want to say that maybe they put Locke in his wheelchair knowing that the plane would crash and he would regain his abilities. Almost an experiment for their theories in the Dharma Initiative.

I'm beginning to think that Locke is a bad guy in all of this, which is how I felt about him in the first episode when I saw that scar over his right eye.

Well at least I'm not the only one with this thought! My familly has thought I was crazy when I would say he's got something to do with it.

I almost want to go out on a limb and say that Locke is some kind of prodigal son to the Dharma Initiative. However, keeping grounded with the episode, there seemed to be an interesting connection between Locke and Patchy, as though they(Dharma, whoever) are the reason Locke was in a wheelchair. Getting to the irony, Patchy said that the Losties couldnt understand because they are "flawed." Remember when Benry told Locke in the pre-implosion hatch that he was "one of the good ones." Locke has taken a departure from the character he was when the plane first crashed on the island. IMO, Locke was not flawed after the plane crashed because he had his anger, shame, and frustration taken away when he realized that he could walk again;hence the comment from Benry. However, now he is flawed(irony) because of the island and thus may have lost his seemingly elite status with the others.
there is no longer a reason to call him benry his name is ben, sorry for being nitpicky
locke is awesome

I'm beginning to think that Locke is a bad guy in all of this, which is how I felt about him in the first episode when I saw that scar over his right eye.

Well at least I'm not the only one with this thought! My familly has thought I was crazy when I would say he's got something to do with it.

Yeah, I kinda thought that too. Especially with the backgammon game when he ways "There are two players -- light and dark". Maybe this has more to do with the good and bad side inside of people?

The more I think of it, the more I remember having to be "convinced" that Locke is a good guy. He always appeared at the weirest times at the beginning of the first season, and always had this mystery about him... It will be interesting to see next week's episode.

The backgammon reference to light and dark sides of people was parallel to the statement by Patchy that they couldnt understand because they are flawed. And for the record, I like Benry better than Ben.:)

Locke has always been one of the more myterious characters on Lost. IMHO we have seen enough of Locke's flashbacks to know that he is not a Dharma operative. He is a man that has led a lonely, unremarkable life. Oh, and then he becomes paralyzed. On the island, he is a man that others look up to, he is the provider for his "family". Oh, and he can walk again.

I am thinking that when Ben said that Locke was one of the good ones, he was referring to Locke having been placed on Ethan's list. Remember Ethan came up with a list. Perhaps Ethan pegged Locke as a good, nurturing man, who wanted to help his fellow survivors by feeding them. I got the impression that when Mikhail was talking about the "flawed" Losties he was referring to the criteria set out by Jacob's list, not Ethans.

I will agree that something is up with Locke. He is more like season 1 Locke, but almost more shady. I lurve it.

I'm beginning to think that Locke is a bad guy in all of this, which is how I felt about him in the first episode when I saw that scar over his right eye.

I have not gotten that impression until last night. I feel there is a dark side to Locke that we have not seen yet but maybe we will find out more next week!

Anyone else notice the suspicious looks Kate kept giving Locke, and the sort of dark, vaguely menacing looks Locke was giving to Kate--especially at the security fence?

It almost seems that we are finally getting to the core of the Losties. They all dont seem to want to take any more crap from each other.

Oh, on a side note. Before the group set out towards the fence with Patchy, they all wanted to kill him except for Kate. When Patchy realized this and the dissent taking place within the group, he shot Kate a very interesting look right before the commercial break. Thoughts?

Anyone else notice the suspicious looks Kate kept giving Locke, and the sort of dark, vaguely menacing looks Locke was giving to Kate--especially at the security fence?

I absolutely got that vibe, to the point where I was concerned when Locke was alone on the other side of the fence with Kate - Sayid and Danielle had no way to help her if Locke snapped and threw her into the fence.

Didn't Kate and Locke both leave the flame at the same time? I wonder if something happened between them before they left.

As for Ben telling Locke he's one of the good ones, I wouldn't trust anything Ben said while in captivity. Locke seemed like the easiest of the losties gaurding Ben to manipulate. I really have the feeling Locke can't be trusted.

Didn't Kate and Locke both leave the flame at the same time? I wonder if something happened between them before they left.

As for Ben telling Locke he's one of the good ones, I wouldn't trust anything Ben said while in captivity. Locke seemed like the easiest of the losties gaurding Ben to manipulate. I really have the feeling Locke can't be trusted.

I was referring to the evolution and then subsequent devolution of Locke. Here we have this man who has been confined to a wheelchair only to have a miracle occur and he has the ability to walk again. He goes from an angry man to one who has accepted his new life and abilities. However, Locke feels as though his trust in the island has been betrayed and now he has come back to the angry, self-loathing, and abrasive man he was before the crash. Say what you want about trusting Benry, but he did say that he was coming for Locke when he got caught, AND he didnt run off and leave when Locke was stuck underneath the blast door.

With all the lies Ben told everyone in the Swan, I'm not about to believe he was there to retrieve Locke. If he went there for Locke, it was only to get him to stop entering the numbers. I think Ben was there primarily to figure out Jack so that he could later manipulate him into doing the surgery.

Locke definitely meant to kill patchy. It’s no secret that he (and Rousseau for that matter) didn’t like the fact that someone who told their little search party that he’s basically waiting for the moment that they drop their guard, and that he wouldn’t hesitate to kill them was being kept alive. The fact is, we basically can’t trust anything that Mikhail said. I tend to believe the story he was telling about “The Purge” in the last episode, because the easiest lies to tell are often the ones that are half-true, but the level of dedication to the secretive nature of their existence makes The Others hard to gauge and almost impossible to trust. All in all, I would much rather test whether or not a security perimeter fence/trap was still working by sacrificing a prisoner (or a pawn, if you like to look at it in terms of a chess game, which the situation on the island most definitely is more often than not) rather than have Kate or Sayid try walking through it to see what will happen.

Locke is like a military general…think back to his first flashback episode (“Tabula Rosa” – Season 1, ep. 3) where he was playing “Risk” or “Axis & Allies” or whatever military strategy board game he was playing during his lunch hour with a co-worker. His opponent said something to him about a development in the game and Locke’s response was “Patience, GL12, is the hallmark of a leader.” We see that recently Kate hasn’t been too good in the patience department, and Sayid doesn’t share Locke’s faith in the supernatural elements of what’s happening on the island, so he’s taking more time strategizing in his own mind before divulging details and information. It’s very much like when the White House decides how much and what info to share with the public. I think Locke is trying to anticipate and cut-down on the many mistakes that our survivors have been making all this time by leaping before they look. Locke is a thinker, plain and simple. I think all of his actions are in an effort to help their side win. I don’t think he’s turning on the survivors.

From the beginning the producers have said they look at the adventures on LOST unfolding as they would in a video game. If you were Locke’s character in a video game, and came across some C4, you’d probably hold on to some because, “you never know when a little C4 might come in handy.” Any experienced gamer would agree with me on that. I do agree that Locke probably got more info than we, as the audience, have been privy to at this point when he entered 77 into the computer. Logically, the self-destruct count-down would’ve been initiated, and the computer would tell the person who entered 77 to leave the building immediately. OR, the computer could’ve instructed him to go down into the basement of the station and activate the explosives manually, which would explain why Locke found the C4 and was able to take some instead of blowing it all up. OR, there could’ve been a single C4 charge sitting on a table next to the computer or on a work-bench behind where he was sitting at the computer, as it seemed to be an equipment room of some kind. The fact is, we just don’t know, and trying to understand the controversy of a situation like that without all the pertinent information leads to incidents like Ana Lucia shooting Shannon. Everyone needs to learn to take a few seconds and think things through before taking drastic action. Jack has proved this time and time again on this show.

Ummm...ok.

i don't know where this would fit in but has anyone ever considered danielle being an Other? i have a strange feeling about her.

i don't know where this would fit in but has anyone ever considered danielle being an Other? i have a strange feeling about her.

Ever since the first season. IMO, her and Benry mated and produced Alex.

Locke:

At the birth of the show I immediately thought him bad. He seemed to be preoccupied with light and dark (obviously good and evil) from the onset. And that scar over his eye was symbolic of his ability to "see." And that leads me to believe that HH has it right -- Locke has been sent from the outside either Dharma or Others to join the fray. I do believe that Ben did want Locke to join them. And I KNOW that Locke will when given the first opportunity -- he's been brought to the Island to lead the BAD guys.

Jack:

Wasn't picked but as we found out is "He who walks amongst us but isn't of us." He is a natural leader and forces brought him to that island to lead the GOOD guys.

Kate/Sawyer/Sayid:

They and some of the other Losties have been brought to the island to form an army that Jack will lead against the wierd island army lead by Locke.

Danielle:

I can't get a read on her. I am leaning to the idea that she was in on it and produced Alex with Ben. Then I think she went sickness-psycho and the Others juct let her wander around the island half cocked (which doesn't make too much sense.) But she's definitely not what she said she was.

Men of science versus men of faith.