Great eppy.

Seems we are reassured of a lot of points:

-Ben was born on the island (has me convinced anyway)
-Sub was the only way off (guess the boat Michael took was the other way)
-That is the Alex
-Jack was always planning a way to save the losties (was there ever a doubt)
-John's father is on the island... lol that is wacked, but also reassures John does have some sort of connection to the island (over and above everyone else it seems)
-the abducted are 'safe'; or at least alive according to Jack
-John's father = pure evil!! wow

There is more I am sure... re-watching now (on at 8 and 9 on Bell in Canada.. yay)

Did anyone else get the feeling that when Jack and Kate were talking, Jack was about to say to her the same thing Mikael said last episode... something like "You cannot comprehend". I for sure thought he was going to say that...

Great eppy.
Did anyone else get the feeling that when Jack and Kate were talking, Jack was about to say to her the same thing Mikael said last episode... something like "You cannot comprehend". I for sure thought he was going to say that...

I did also. I was actually checking the clock and hoping that Jack would have enough time to spill the beans. I wonder how much he knows.

I think that Jack said it as he was leaving the gameroom. ..that his plan was to come back for them.

I think that Jack said it as he was leaving the gameroom. ..that his plan was to come back for them.

Yes that makes sense... I just got the feeling he was going to repeat Mikhal. Which would lead to the question of how much does Jack really know.

I, like you though, think he doesn't know too much and was going to tell Kate his plan as he did when leaned over her...

No matter now... that really changes things with the idea that no one can leave or come to the island...

But don't you think that whoever they are in contact with OFF the Island will think something is amiss, when they don't hear from them?

Actually, that thought :eek: me even more--because we don't know WHO they are in contact with on the Outside. Nor what those contacts are capable of doing, should they believe they have the upper hand. . . .

Yea seriouosly. That is a good point - but if they really do need the sonar to make it to the island, no matter who is on the other end they are pretty much *** out of luck.

Though you would have to think that if there are financial backers of this project, someone somewhere would at least know how to access the island without needing the island to be functioning properly.

I mean Hanso/Widmore/etc must have records or documents of some sort to find the island in an emergency situation...

but we knew alex was the alex

but we knew alex was the alex

I dunno, she was told her mother was alive - she had no idea. And we saw that Danielle saw Alex for the first time (in a long time) and reacted like it was her daughter.

There was always speculation, but these are cold hard facts (lol) that leave no doubt. That is all I meant.

I dunno, she was told her mother was alive - she had no idea. And we saw that Danielle saw Alex for the first time (in a long time) and reacted like it was her daughter.

There was always speculation, but these are cold hard facts (lol) that leave no doubt. That is all I meant.

sorry if i sounded rude, i was just pointing out my thought from our first introduction to alex that she was the alex

sorry if i sounded rude, i was just pointing out my thought from our first introduction to alex that she was the alex

No no, I agree with you. Just pointing out that is a closed matter. Not rude :biggrin:

But don't you think that whoever they are in contact with OFF the Island will think something is amiss, when they don't hear from them?

Actually, that thought :eek: me even more--because we don't know WHO they are in contact with on the Outside. Nor what those contacts are capable of doing, should they believe they have the upper hand. . . .


Doesnt Ben tell Locke that most people on the Island are comitted on never leaving the Island, but the sub is needed to give the rest of them the "illusion" that they're is a way off the Island?

That could mean to the off Island people that the project has neared completion and outside communication is no longer required, or, it can have the effect you stated.

My hunch is that whatever Ben is doing for this "magnificent man" or Jacob is pretty near done. It's half way into the projected 5-6 year series and it's time to let us in on what's going on with the Island itself and perhaps meet this Jacob.

Namaste, Eric.

There was always speculation, but these are cold hard facts (lol) that leave no doubt. That is all I meant.Another cold hard fact is that Locke's paralysis was in no way no how psychosomatic.

What's up with the Dharma food? There was the food drop in season 2, the Dharma food Mikhail had and now Dharma food in Ben's fridge. So, the Dharma people in the outside world don't know about the purge and keep sending food? And the Others need Dharma food? If they could get on and off the island (before) then can't they bring their own food? Seems odd. Who would be financing it, etc. I guess there could have been some kind of trust set up to fund it for years. Still though, the whole Dharma food thing is weird.

Now that the sub is gone, maybe they'll show us Penny trying to find the island?

About the Dharma food, could it be that people on the island are somehow willing it to happen?

Remember when Ben (then Henry) told Locke he was coming for him? Do you think he could've had Cooper in captivity this whole time? Ben seems to like to plan things out in advance.

Tonight's ep was great - and yes it did confirm a number of things.

Another cold hard fact is that Locke's paralysis was in no way no how psychosomatic.

I'm glad we'll be able to close the book on that one.

Remember when Ben (then Henry) told Locke he was coming for him? Do you think he could've had Cooper in captivity this whole time? Ben seems to like to plan things out in advance.


How long ago did Ben get caught in Danielle's net? He must have had Anthony at that time... probably?

Another cold hard fact is that Locke's paralysis was in no way no how psychosomatic.

I'm not so sure. Locke could have healed with the ability to walk but refused due to depression. It happens. But I'm willing to accept that Locke was permanently paralysed and the island "healed" him enough to make Ben worried. Ben after all is not healing quickly and Locke's paralysis went away the minute he fell onto the island, "just like that". I think Ben is worried that Locke can use the island's healing powers(and maybe other powers) better than Ben can.

Great episode. More questions of course, but good questions.

Remember when Ben (then Henry) told Locke he was coming for him? Do you think he could've had Cooper in captivity this whole time? Ben seems to like to plan things out in advance.

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Just because he ws shown tied up and gagged doesn't mean he was in captivity. When Ben said" Bring me the man from Tallahasse", you notice that he never was brought to Ben, but put into a room and then he was shown to Locke after the Sub Explosion.

Just because he ws shown tied up and gagged doesn't mean he was in captivity. When Ben said" Bring me the man from Tallahasse", you notice that he never was brought to Ben, but put into a room and then he was shown to Locke after the Sub Explosion.

That's true, but just because he was shown at all doesn't mean he was actually there. Eko's brother Yemmi (sp?) wasn't really there, but he sure did appear!

Was he really there seems to be the big question the - and falls under the 'Do you believe Ben' category. Ben misleads, and he is good at it.

At first I just assumed Cooper was there - but there is that possiblity that he is just appearing just as Kate's horse, Jack's dad and Walk did... General agreement is that they all came from smokie - could be the same situation here. Personally I do not think so, I think he is really there - and there is a story about Tallahassee that will link some of the losties. And of course a story on how he was brought (or made his way) there.

Any chance he was simply a part of this from the beginning?