Is there any possibility that it was the same building as the one that Hurley saw the man fall by the window, while he was visiting his accountant?

Is there any possibility that it was the same building as the one that Hurley saw the man fall by the window, while he was visiting his accountant?

which episode was that in?

as soon as i saw that they weren't on the ground floor i said john is going to fall out the window and hurley is going to watch it happen, although to nitpick the fell facing different directions,

hurley faller fell past the window long ways, one of his arms was closest to the window
John fell with his head being closest to the window

thats going off memory

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Locke's accident was 4 years before the crash.

The accident Hurley witnessed was only months prior.

Locke fell out of his Dad's highrise

The accident Hurley witnessed was at his accountants office.

It is absolutely impossible for Hurley to have witnessed the fall.

Locke's accident was 4 years before the crash.

The accident Hurley witnessed was only months prior.

Locke fell out of his Dad's highrise

The accident Hurley witnessed was at his accountants office.

It is absolutely impossible for Hurley to have witnessed the fall.

Dang it. It would have been a cool connection. The whole timeline thing gets super confusing. How do we know N.U.M.B.E.R.S was a few months before flight 815?

Dang it. It would have been a cool connection. The whole timeline thing gets super confusing. How do we know N.U.M.B.E.R.S was a few months before flight 815?

I think you're right and it is the same building Hurley was in, hence it was Locke that fell in numbers. I go along because :

1 what we saw in numbers was Hurley having flashbacks, and there is no specific timeline in the order the flashbacks are shown.

2 it is not uncommon for certain luxury hotels to have offices leased out on the lower floors. Tourists like to by higher up for a view, and the lower floors are harder to rent out. So it's possible the building we saw in TMFT is the same we saw in numbers.

But, again this can be debated. We wont see Hurley's flashback again and I wonder if it is at all relevant to the main storyline...But it is cool as hell!

Namaste, Eric.

Maybe it's just me but I don't think it was Locke...Didn't the guy who fell die? Locke survived but if memory serves me correctly, the guy who fell while Hurley was in his lawyer's office (or was it the accountant?) died...

Maybe it's just me but I don't think it was Locke...Didn't the guy who fell die? Locke survived but if memory serves me correctly, the guy who fell while Hurley was in his lawyer's office (or was it the accountant?) died...

I think we just assumed he died. I don't recall ever hearing about it again except when Hurley mentions it to someone when talking about how bad things happen around him. I dont' remember the episode or I'd check the transcripts. Did Hurley say the dude died, or just fell??

back to the idea of time travel is the time line doesnt work> How many people fall out windows???

I am pretty sure Hurley's lottery win was more recent than 4 years ago. That would have been a long stretched out period for him to have gone through all the curse stuff.

I don't want to do it during high traffic post show, but I'll but we can get a transcript from Numbers to confirm this.

I am pretty sure Hurley's lottery win was more recent than 4 years ago. That would have been a long stretched out period for him to have gone through all the curse stuff.

I don't want to do it during high traffic post show, but I'll but we can get a transcript from Numbers to confirm this.

Transcript:
[FLASHBACK]
[We see Hurley in his accountant's office.]
KEN HALPERIN: I would think you'd be happy. Every one of your stocks is up. Your interest in orange futures skyrocketed after those tropical storms hit Florida. And, you are now the majority shareholder in a box company in Tustin.
HURLEY: A box company?
KEN: Mmhmm. They make boxes, lucrative business. Everybody needs boxes. Which reminds me, your sneaker company in Canada. . .
HURLEY: I have a sneaker company in Canada?
KEN: Well, not any more. It was destroyed in a fire last month.
HURLEY: Of course it was.
KEN: You might have read about it -- 8 something people died. But, the good news is we over-insured it. It's going to yield you a windfall of cash. And, when we add in the generous settlement from the LAPD for your false arrest you almost doubled your net worth in a few short months. I still can't imagine how the police mistook you for a drug dealer.
HURLEY: Bad luck.
KEN: Hugo, you are not the first lottery winner to believe the money's brought them nothing but trouble. It's all in your head.
HURLEY: What, you don't believe in jinxes? You know, curses?
KEN: I'm an accountant, I believe in numbers. Hey, where'd you get them, anyway?
HURLEY: What?
KEN: The winning numbers. What'd you use somebody's birthday, phone number?
HURLEY: No, it's nothing, it's something that I...
KEN: What?
HURLEY: That's it. It's not the money, it's the numbers. The numbers are cursed. Dude, don't look at me like that, I'm not crazy. This is real.
KEN: Hugo, the numbers aren't cursed. You know there is no such thing as a...
[A body falls past the window behind the accountant.]

Death was not confirmed.

it has to be...

Sorry, no way it's Locke in Hurley's flashback. The date is way off and it's obvious from the screencaps that it's not the same person.

I don't think you can say anything is impossible on this show. And for the screencaps, it didn't show the guy's face. Not the first time they've changed a background character (see: the woman in Desmond's picture when we first saw it, vs. the woman in the picture when they introduced her as a character).

Thanks richlost, but this was what I was hoping to find. Hurley starts to tell Charlie the truth before Danielle starts shooting at them:

Hurley: I am not crazy. I've got my reasons for every...
Charlie: I think I have a right to know.
Hurley: Okay, alright, you want to know?
Charlie: Yep.
Hurley: About a year ago...
[Sound of a gunshot.]

From losthatch.com.

I would say impossible because of the timeline but after Desmond's episode.... never say never.
Obviously we all thought of the connection.
And ever since Numbers aired, many people speculated that Locke might have become paralyzed that way. So with all that in mind, I will say that I will hold my final judgment until the end of the series. ;) TPTB want us to think of the connection. Therefore, I don't think it's just coincidence. Down the road, it might all add up to be the same incident.

I think you're right and it is the same building Hurley was in, hence it was Locke that fell in numbers. I go along because :

1 what we saw in numbers was Hurley having flashbacks, and there is no specific timeline in the order the flashbacks are shown.
Right.
The lottery win may have been 4+ years ago, but the meeting with the accountant could have been later. Since he was discussing his assets like they were in established investments, I think that it is fairly likely.

Maybe it's just me but I don't think it was Locke...Didn't the guy who fell die? Locke survived but if memory serves me correctly, the guy who fell while Hurley was in his lawyer's office (or was it the accountant?) died...I don't think that there was anything that confirmed a death. It just seemed likely because the guy was falling from a high-rise.

At first i thought it was a cool connection but now I think the writers TRIED to make it seem like it WAS locke in numbers....but failed.

Timeline is off.

Locke is facing the wrong way.

There are no shatters of glass followling the man who fell in numbers.

Doesn't the accountant refer to Tustin as if its far away??? Wasn't the scene where Locke falls IN tustin? Maybe not, idk.

There was a building directly across from Hurley in the building when "That man" fell.

Hurley looks out the window of the building....there is a street below....NOT GRASS.

Hurley is definettly more than 8 stories up...



So either the 2 "Falls" are not related or the writers attempted to make a sweet connection..but sucked at it.

I definitely don't think that Hurley saw Locke fall out that window. But I must say that the writers love to have people fall, what with the window washer, Sun's boyfriend, and now Locke. It seems to be another recurring theme.

The moment I saw Locke enterijng Cooper's apartment I thought he may be the same person who we saw falling outside Hurley's accountant's window.

But reading this thread there's a lot of evidence against that.

It could be another thing where people falling off buildings is a random repeating motif, like missing limbs, the gold car and common dialogue lines.

I think Hurley also gave a timeframe to Jack in MOSMOF when he told him about the numbers and the institution. He won the lottery just about a year before the crash and he speaking to his accountant just before he left for Australia after many months of investing his money. Can't be the same time as Locke's accident.

I considered this same scenario (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1133170&postcount=46)last summer... Oh well, yet another one of my theories blow to shreds..

sometimes, we don't have to look so far back for clues. i just watched the beginning of ticia tanaka is dead and hurley tells her "then a man jumped off the roof of my accountant's building."
jumped - not fell.
i liked the theory, though. it definitely made me think:)

That would have been an awesome connection. Well, not that Locke being pushed through a window is awesome...

I definitely don't think that Hurley saw Locke fall out that window. But I must say that the writers love to have people fall, what with the window washer, Sun's boyfriend, and now Locke. It seems to be another recurring theme.

Dont forget Dave falling off the cliff...lol

Dang it. It would have been a cool connection. The whole timeline thing gets super confusing. How do we know N.U.M.B.E.R.S was a few months before flight 815?

Definately..good thinking. That would be very cool.

Locke's accident was 4 years before the crash.

The accident Hurley witnessed was only months prior.

Locke fell out of his Dad's highrise

The accident Hurley witnessed was at his accountants office.

It is absolutely impossible for Hurley to have witnessed the fall.


Amen!

I would have like this connection, but the years do seem off, unless there was some lost time
in those FB's.

It could be another thing where people falling off buildings is a random repeating motif, like missing limbs, the gold car and common dialogue lines.

Speaking of the gold car, how many other people noticed the Pontiac again when Locke was being questioned by the police outside his apartment?

Edit: My bad! It's a Ford, not a Pontiac. http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-520.html But it is indeed golden.

sometimes, we don't have to look so far back for clues. i just watched the beginning of ticia tanaka is dead and hurley tells her "then a man jumped off the roof of my accountant's building."
jumped - not fell.
i liked the theory, though. it definitely made me think:)
And if you play both Numbers and The man from Tallahassee frame by frame, you will see it clearly, that it wasn't Locke that we saw in Numbers, In numbers the man has his face down, and we can see both his head and his legs from inside, in the other hand, Locke fell his face UP and from the inside we can only see the bottom of his feets, it was a good theory though...

would have been a great connection between the two of them. As lost fans we are always looking for those connections!! This doesn't seem to be one but the writers make you think, that's for sure.

I am pretty sure Hurley's lottery win was more recent than 4 years ago. That would have been a long stretched out period for him to have gone through all the curse stuff.

I don't want to do it during high traffic post show, but I'll but we can get a transcript from Numbers to confirm this.

Actually, Hurley made a comment to Charlie (maybe season 1) that "about a year ago" he won the lottery. I'm assuming TPTB haven't changed the timeline.

Actually, Hurley made a comment to Charlie (maybe season 1) that "about a year ago" he won the lottery. I'm assuming TPTB haven't changed the timeline.
Right, that's why I said it was "more recent" than 4 years ago, which is the timeline for when Locke got paralyzed. I was trying to make the point that they weren't the same person falling off a high rise. My post a few later confirms that Hurley's win was a year before the crash.

In Numbers it shows the building across the street from Hurley from the ground all the way up to Hurleys close up. I counted about 22 floors before it got even with Hurley. Locke fell from 8 stories.

I think it's a great connection - and whether it's face up or face down, 8 floors 22 floors--- that's being a little too picky. Do you think that when filming Terry's free fall, the director said to him, "D'oh! We can't get your face in this shot- he was face down in the Numbers episode two years ago."

So, to sum it up:

"Numbers" guy fell face down, right side of the body towards building. No shattered glass.
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3365/numbers1sk2.jpg
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5599/numbers2ck3.jpg

Locke fell face up, feet towards building. Glass shattering.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-800.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-801.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-802.html

Hurley was in a room WAY more than ten stories above ground level.
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7541/numbers3lt7.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1065/numbers4iw3.jpg

Locke's therapist said: "John, you fell eight stories and survived, okay?"

In front of the building Hurley was in was a street.
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7541/numbers3lt7.jpg

Locke fell down onto grass, surrounded by palms.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-802.html
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-803.html

Hurley told Tricia Tanaka in "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead":
"Oh, and this guy jumped off my accountant's roof."

Locke was pushed out of a window by his father in an attempt to kill him.

In "Numbers", Hurley is just about to tell Charlie about his bad luck that started with his lottery win. He gets as far as "About a year ago..." before Rousseau starts shooting at them.

In "Walkabout", Locke says, referring to his paralysis:
"My condition is not an issue. I've lived with it for four years."

So unless the writers made their biggest screwup ever, then no; Hurley did not see Locke fall down in "Numbers".