Are the Others going to let Locke get his revenge????

Can I first sound stupid and ask, wasn't Cooper just conning Locke? He isn't Locke's real father is he? That's what I always thought anyway. Please go easy on me, I know I must be thick.

He was his biological father and Locke gave him his kidney....

sometimes there is just tooo much to remember...lol

Are the Others going to let Locke get his revenge????

It looks like this is going to be a psychological test of how John reacts. Does he seek revenge or does he help his father?

I *KNEW* the minute Ben said "Go get the Man from Tallahassee" that it was Cooper! I tolk my wife, and she said "Oh that would be too weird". But I was right! And I also knew stone cold (even though this hasn't as far as I know been proven) that once Ben called Cooper by that name that Cooper was the "real Sawyer"!

Yes, it WILL be interesting to see what Locke does with good old daddykins...

I wonder what Locke will do to Cooper now that Cooper has been given to him, almost like a present...all wrapped and neatly tied.

Be interesting if it WAS just another test, as someone else stated in this thread.

I can see Locke getting very, very angry. Hulk angry. :)

Can I first sound stupid and ask, wasn't Cooper just conning Locke? He isn't Locke's real father is he? That's what I always thought anyway. Please go easy on me, I know I must be thick.

There's nothing thick or stupid about this question.
I've started a thread in General Theories based upon the obvious: Cooper/Seward/whoever is a con man. Everything he's said and done has been based upon that one fact.
He may or may not be Locke's dad. But Locke certainly thinks he is, and for tonight's episode, that's what mattered.

I *KNEW* the minute Ben said "Go get the Man from Tallahassee" that it was Cooper! I tolk my wife, and she said "Oh that would be too weird". But I was right! And I also knew stone cold (even though this hasn't as far as I know been proven) that once Ben called Cooper by that name that Cooper was the "real Sawyer"!

Yes, it WILL be interesting to see what Locke does with good old daddykins...

I´m thinking that the Sawyer on the manifest is actually him...

"our" Sawyer, maybe remebering the name just took it on to see who would come out and claim it.

Think about it.. the guy (our sawyer) used the name to con people too, why the heck would he use it to travel and be easily tracked?

Never mind.. I never "discover" anything that actually ends up happening. ahhahhaha

I´m thinking that the Sawyer on the manifest is actually him...

"our" Sawyer, maybe remembering the name just took it on to see who would come out and claim it.

Think about it.. the guy (our sawyer) used the name to con people too, why the heck would he use it to travel and be easily tracked?

Never mind.. I never "discover" anything that actually ends up happening. ahhahhaha

It's an interesting theory, though. Perhaps Cooper was one of the Tailies who were dragged away---although my idea fails when we remember that the people who were taken were supposed to be "good."

I don't believe for a moment that Cooper came out of a "wishing box," though. That was just another red herring that Ben threw out for Locke to obsess over.

WHEN did we learn that Cooper had gone to Tallahassee, though? I don't remember that at all.
In tonight's ep, they said that he'd gone to Mexico and then disappeared, right???

Wouldn't Cooper HAVE to be Locke's dad? Otherwise it would be very unlikely that the kidney would be a match for him. He would have had to know the kidney would work before starting a con job.

Are the Others going to let Locke get his revenge????

I guess that depends on whether Locke wants revenge. I'm inclined to think he won't. He didn't like being conned one bit but being paralyzed was what he hated most, imo. Now he's walking again so I could see him just not wanting anything to do with his father.

As for being his real father, he probably is since he was such a perfect donor match. You just don't easily find matches like that.

Sometimes I think this show leads us to overanalyze things. My take on Cooper being on the island: as soon as Ben saw that Locke had miraculously been healed by the island, he knew John was special. Knowing so much about John's life, Ben had someone go into the outside world and capture Cooper to bring him to the island as leverage with John. They've been there for 80 days, so there's obviously been time to get someone on the kidnap case and bring Cooper back.

The big question for me is not whether Locke will take revenge but how Ben will use Cooper as leverage with Locke.

Methinks it is going to take us a long time to find out why Cooper is on the island, but like Ben said, Locke is somehow mysteriously tied to the island.

I, too, now feel certain that Anthony is the real Sawyer *shudder*.

I also feel certain that Anthony is an "Other" and a very highly-placed one at that, a top-tier Other such as Piek and Widmore (was that bottle of booze that he poured a little drink out of for himself and one for John the same type of booze that Widmore was telling Desmond was such a fine type and Desmond wasn't worthy of drinking?). The interesting thing is, Anthony is the first such top-tier, off-island Other who has actually shown up on the island itself. And I do not think for a moment that he is really Ben's "captive". I think he was already on the island and when Ben said "Bring me the man from Tallahassee", they must have summoned Anthony to Ben, and they agreed to stage this captive thing in order to manipulate Locke. That's my take on it, anyway. But, like I said, the fascinating thing is that he is there on the island in the first place.

One thing that kind of goes against all my theories is that Anthony pushed Locke out of the window. If Anthony is really an Other who has been manipulating Locke all along, I don't think killing him would have been part of the plan. No, they might have been "testing" him or trying to deepen his character by putting him through so much in his life up to that point, but killing him? What would be the point of that? No, that pushing-him-out-of-the-window thing really doesn't fit into my theories too well, dang it. I hate when that happens *lol*. I mean, Anthony couldn't be sure that Locke wouldn't fall to his death if he pushed him out the window. He might have known that Locke would show up to the apartment, and it might all have been a set-up, a game of "Mousetrap", but the out-the-window thing was too much of an uncontrollable variable for these people, me thinks. Not if Locke is as important of an "experiment" to them as I think he is. Why risk killing him? That part doesn't seem to fit.

So maybe I'm wrong about EVERYTHING *lol*. But I still say that Anthony is not a captive, he and Ben are in on this "long con" together. And it is sooooooooo interesting that he is there on the island! The plot thickens!

I don't believe for a moment that Cooper came out of a "wishing box," though. That was just another red herring that Ben threw out for Locke to obsess over.


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I think Ben was using the "magic/wishing box" figuratively, even though when he first said it, it sounded literal. When he said it to Locke, he knew that 1)Cooper was on the Island 2) If Locke had a choice to have a "box" produce any of his wishes it would be his father. So when Ben says Locke could make "any wish" he really knew that there was only one wish Locke had.

There's nothing thick or stupid about this question.
I've started a thread in General Theories based upon the obvious: Cooper/Seward/whoever is a con man. Everything he's said and done has been based upon that one fact.
He may or may not be Locke's dad. But Locke certainly thinks he is, and for tonight's episode, that's what mattered.

Thanks, I will check out this thread.

Two things on this. First, Cooper may indeed be on the island. OR, it occurs to me that he is no more on the island than Yemmi (sp?) was when he spoke to Eko. Perhaps the "imagine it and it appears" thing that Ben spoke of to Locke is Smokey. If Smokey 'scanned' Locke (which we believe it did) then it could easily conjure up Cooper for him to 'see' without much problem.

Secondly, I agree with another poster. If Cooper really is on the island, then it's clear he is far from a 'captive' and more likely to be working with Ben.

Locke is Jacob, the eventual leader of the Others. He's not the leader in present time, but will become it. The Others have time warp capabilities and understand who John Locke really is, even though he doesn't. Yet. Why can Locke walk on the island? Perhaps we've gone back in time via the warp system, and so Locke's paralysis has not actually happened yet. If he's paralyzed in 2000, if we've traveled back in time to 1999 or earlier, clearly he'd be able to walk.

Cooper is Dharma and also is aware of the future - that John Locke (Jacob) will eventually be the guy to stop whatever Dharma is planning, unless he can be stopped. That's why he tried to kill him twice in the real world pre-island. To stop the destiny of Jacob leading the Others.

Adam & Eve are actually Adam & Steve (so to speak). The writers called them Adam & Eve cleverly to make us think it had to be a man & a woman. It doesn't. It's Cooper & Locke. Jack's character was originally written to die in the pilot (see season 1 DVD extras), so he's not one of the skeletons.

Crazy theory, I know. I'm still working on it.

Sometimes I think this show leads us to overanalyze things. My take on Cooper being on the island: as soon as Ben saw that Locke had miraculously been healed by the island, he knew John was special. Knowing so much about John's life, Ben had someone go into the outside world and capture Cooper to bring him to the island as leverage with John. They've been there for 80 days, so there's obviously been time to get someone on the kidnap case and bring Cooper back.

The big question for me is not whether Locke will take revenge but how Ben will use Cooper as leverage with Locke.

I was thinking the same thing. All of this HAD to be accomplished before the "anomaly". More than enough time. BUT if Cooper was on the plane, then that means he was following Locke for a reason....

One thing that kind of goes against all my theories is that Anthony pushed Locke out of the window. If Anthony is really an Other who has been manipulating Locke all along, I don't think killing him would have been part of the plan.


This may be stretching things but here are 2 thoughts:

1. Cooper knows that Locke is special and was probably 99.9% sure that he'd survive the fall. I don't know why the push through the window was necessary, unless 'they' were testing Cooper. . . . . . . (nah, probably not).

2. Cooper is unsure if Locke is special and pushed him out to see if he'd survive. :eek2: If he is 'special' then Cooper may have a set of orders to carry out. If he's not, then Cooper doesn't give a fig if he dies.

all im wondering about this whole thing about him being on the island is: "HOW THE HECK ARE THEY GONNA EXPLAIN THAT?!" I have to say Locke has to try to handle it in a calm way. he better not blow up something else. I do hate Cooper, but i hope Locke doesnt try to get revenge too fast...