View Full Version : Was this after Cooper faked his death?
pacejunkie 03-22-2007, 01:03 AM So this flashback seems to be after the events of Lockdown. There we saw him fake his death and then run off from his would be assassins in a "retirement con". Locke was a home inspector. Looked like he was leaving the area for good. Now he's back. I assume this takes place after Helen leaves Locke and the events of Lockdown, but they didn't explain how he suddenly was back in Tustin. I thought he couldn't show his face there anymore because he was playing dead. And what happened to Locke's home inspecting business? Looks like his depression caused him to lose it all?
We know Walkabout is the most recent of the flashback events so this has to be right before it and after Lockedown. Still not clear how Cooper returns after what we saw in that one.
Tronny 03-22-2007, 01:05 AM Anthony Cooper is a seasoned old con-man.....all he had to do was off himself and skip town for a few months and get right back into the game.
LostLaura 03-22-2007, 01:06 AM I think that Cooper must have left for long enough to change his identity and then thought it was safe enough to come back. It is really surprising that he came back so close to where Locke lived. I mean, wtf? But I guess he just thought that Locke would have finally given up and that since he (Cooper) is such a master conman that he could get himself out of any jam....
But it is definitely a bit weird, I agree, PJ.
Diesels Blitz 03-22-2007, 01:09 AM Where does Locke's flashback from "Further Instructions" fit into all of this? I wish someone would make a Locke timeline. :biggrin: It's hard to keep track of all the flashbacks, especially when they appear out of order.
lostmio 03-22-2007, 01:10 AM Looked like he was leaving the area for good. Now he's back. I assume this takes place after Helen leaves Locke and the events of Lockdown, but they didn't explain how he suddenly was back in Tustin. I thought he couldn't show his face there anymore because he was playing dead.
Yes, it was after the fake death, they had a line or two of yada yada about it just before pop pushed John out the window.
imaaronsmom 03-22-2007, 01:11 AM I didn't get the impression that Cooper came back into the are where Locke lived. The women's kid tracked down Locke, he seemed pretty desparate, so I think he would have gone to where ever Locke was to track him down. We saw that Locke was not working so he had the ability to go where ever Cooper was operating at the moment.
pacejunkie 03-22-2007, 01:16 AM Cooper was in Tustin which was where Locke lived. I know from when then flower shop scene was shot the name of the store was Tustin floral or something, but it was supposed to be in Tustin. I don't get why Cooper who seemed to only want to get away from his stalker of a son, would come back to play his con in the same town he faked his death.
As for the timeline, it goes like this I believe:
Deus Ex Machina
Further Instructions
Orientation
Lockdown
The Man From Tallahassee
Walkabout
Diesels Blitz 03-22-2007, 01:19 AM As for the timeline, it goes like this I believe:
Deus Ex Machina
Further Instructions
Orientation
Lockdown
The Man From Tallahassee
Walkabout
Thanks PJ! :smile: Now it's all making sense.
ame en peine 03-22-2007, 01:22 AM I remember the shot.... Cooper flew off in an Oceanic Jet after leaving John at the hotel. Makes me wonder more and more about the airline and who's behind it..
pacejunkie 03-22-2007, 01:24 AM He works at a toy store, he loses his kidney, he joins a grow-op for a new family, he meets Helen in anger management, he stalks his father, he starts a home inspection business, he loses Helen, he ends up in wheelchair, he goes to work in a box company, he goes off to Australia.
BrandonHasTheKeys 03-22-2007, 04:44 AM It had to have been after, because Locke wasn't paralyzed in that episode's flashbacks.
This did occur before the flashback events in Walkabout, however.
Tom Chaney 03-22-2007, 04:52 AM It probably wasn't very smart for Cooper to come back to Tustin, but a vulnerable woman worth $200 million is hard to pass up. That kind of payoff could cause a con man to make a few unwise choices and take a few chances.
RodimusBen 03-22-2007, 05:19 AM As for the timeline, it goes like this I believe:
Deus Ex Machina
Further Instructions
Orientation
Lockdown
The Man From Tallahassee
Walkabout
I believe this is slightly out of order.
Deus Ex Machina
Orientation
Lockdown
Further Instructions
The Man From Tallahassee
Walkabout
The reason I put FI later is because Locke makes a comment in this episode, during grace while he is saying thanks for his new family, "And for me, thank you for helping me stop being so angry. And for helping me find a real family -- because they're a hell of a lot better than the one I used to have." Seems to me this would be a comment he would make after all of the craziness with Cooper was over (or he thought it was).
It doesn't really make sense for Locke to go to the commune, then go back to having a relatively normal life (during the two episodes in which he met Helen, where he had his own business, a house, etc.) It makes more sense that after the incident with the commune, he probably got probation or maybe even did some jail time (perhaps a surprise flashback we'll see down the road), and became the down-and-out loser we saw in TMFT.
pacejunkie 03-22-2007, 08:55 AM I believe this is slightly out of order.
Deus Ex Machina
Orientation
Lockdown
Further Instructions
The Man From Tallahassee
Walkabout
The reason I put FI later is because Locke makes a comment in this episode, during grace while he is saying thanks for his new family, "And for me, thank you for helping me stop being so angry. And for helping me find a real family -- because they're a hell of a lot better than the one I used to have." Seems to me this would be a comment he would make after all of the craziness with Cooper was over (or he thought it was).
It doesn't really make sense for Locke to go to the commune, then go back to having a relatively normal life (during the two episodes in which he met Helen, where he had his own business, a house, etc.) It makes more sense that after the incident with the commune, he probably got probation or maybe even did some jail time (perhaps a surprise flashback we'll see down the road), and became the down-and-out loser we saw in TMFT.
I thought the line about being angry would still make sense before he met Helen because he was angry after losing his kidney. I assumed it was before because Helen wasn't with him at the grow op but you could be right. This could be after the Helen break up and before Cooper's return. Would add more time between the two events and probably make more sense that way.
RodimusBen 03-22-2007, 09:15 AM Well, another reason I ordered them that way is because that's how Lostpedia orders them, not that they're the final authority on it but they do their research pretty well.
pacejunkie 03-22-2007, 09:17 AM Well, another reason I ordered them that way is because that's how Lostpedia orders them, not that they're the final authority on it but they do their research pretty well.
You mean I tried to reinvent the wheel?? D'oh! :doh:
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