OK, maybe not Jacob, but what if he's a "hostile" and not really their prisoner.

Maybe "Get the Man from Tallahassee" was code for "excecute the Locke manipulation plan" - which involves faking a kidnapping of Cooper.

I doubt he is Jacob. Seems to me that they sent out to capture Cooper after Ben escaped from the hatch and found out that Locke was healed. They are most likely going to use Cooper as leverage for Locke to co-operate in order to find out how Locke is unique to the island in the sense that he was healed.

maybe "get the man from Tallahassee" meant to retrieve that information from the island's "memory". I don't know what made me think of it, so don't ask me to explain it. :)

I thought that Mr. Cooper was just another manifestation of the smoke monster, like Eko's brother Yemi. I think Locke will have a choice to make, either let Cooper live and let go of the pain caused by him, or kill him.

I thought that Mr. Cooper was just another manifestation of the smoke monster, like Eko's brother Yemi. I think Locke will have a choice to make, either let Cooper live and let go of the pain caused by him, or kill him.

Sounds like a good story line and would be much more believable than "Wacko survivalists go to Florida to kidnap noted con artist.:biggrin: "

I don't think Cooper is Jacob. He's a con artist and has been all his life. It's much more likely he's the Sawyer from Sawyer's childhood. Now if Sawyer gets to meet Cooper and is somehow able to put it together, that'll be very interesting.

If Cooper is a manifestation.... (and from Tallahassee...) I think Locke may have a choice to make after all. The island does seem to present the characters with choices that lead to their growth or their death.

I think Ben is definitely manipulating Locke but I don't agree with the idea of fake memories or anthony being one of the others, or being on the island already. I truly think Ben got him there that night and he is a prisoner of their's, for Locke's benefit. I don't know what Ben wants to happen, but he definitely knows. We don't of course and that's killing me!!

I think the clue is *why* Ben shows Locke that Cooper is there. What does Ben have to gain? It certainly isn't out of some concern for Locke, to help him resolve his daddy issues. It's just another way of messing with Locke's head. So I'm pretty sure that Cooper is one of the Others ... even if he isn't Jacob - which he could be - he's still in league with them.

Ben says something to Locke like 'it's the one place that he can't find you'. It seems particularly sadistic of Ben to present Locke with the one thing that he's been trying to escape from - his past.

I doubt he is Jacob. Seems to me that they sent out to capture Cooper after Ben escaped from the hatch and found out that Locke was healed. They are most likely going to use Cooper as leverage for Locke to co-operate in order to find out how Locke is unique to the island in the sense that he was healed.

Of course, Locke isn't unique. There is Rose.

Of course, Locke isn't unique. There is Rose.

We don't know that definitively.

OK, maybe not Jacob, but what if he's a "hostile" and not really their prisoner.

Maybe "Get the Man from Tallahassee" was code for "excecute the Locke manipulation plan" - which involves faking a kidnapping of Cooper.

I'm becoming more convinced in the notion that the rich fathers of many of the characters in the show have something to do with the mythology, or with Dharma or the Others specifically. I never used to give that theory any merit until I seen the video of the question being posed to Damon Lindelof by Jimmy Kimmel. You see Damon's nervous answer, and see how he kind of dances around the question, and I think it is apparent that there may be some truth to that whole idea. Here is the link to that video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESc2UP16Dkk

My guess would be that Locke's father was travelling on the flight in another section of the plane, under yet another name and the others picked him up and some point.

Cooper was NOT on the plane. Locke would have been the first person on the plane and would have seen him. It would be a suspension of disbelif to have Cooper on the plane.

Cooper is NOT Jacob.

Locke would have been the first person on the plane and would have seen him.Not if Locke was sitting towards the front, and Cooper in the tail section.

Locke would have been the one of the first on the plane and everyone would have walked past him, if cooper was in the rear hew would have had to walk past Locke

My gut feeling is that Cooper = Cooper and Jacob = Jacob. If Cooper was involved with the Dharma group, there would seem to be little reason for him to be an outright con-man. It just makes no sense. We already know he used various fake names.. in fact, everyone that used a fake name has been shown to have used one -- it just makes zero sense. I think the big shocker for Cooper's character is that he (or something like him) is on the Island. Jacob is Jacob, but we don't know who that is.
These what if so & so was so & so threads are funny. It reminds me of the so & so "is really an other" threads..
What if Jack is really John and John is really Jack???

I am confused - who is Jacob?

I am confused - who is Jacob?Jacob = Kate.

I am confused - who is Jacob?

Jacob was mentioned once earlier this season as having a list of people. I believe the quote from Danny was something along the lines of "Why are you going to trust Shepherd? He wasn't even on Jacob's list." As to who specifically Jacob is, we do not know yet. TPTB said to check out the Jacob in the bible for some clues as to who he is. The Jacob in the bible had many sons, and the youngest son being Benjamin. So whether this may be a clue that Jacob is Ben's father, we have yet to find out.

Jacob was mentioned once earlier this season as having a list of people. I believe the quote from Danny was something along the lines of "Why are you going to trust Shepherd? He wasn't even on Jacob's list." As to who specifically Jacob is, we do not know yet. TPTB said to check out the Jacob in the bible for some clues as to who he is. The Jacob in the bible had many sons, and the youngest son being Benjamin. So whether this may be a clue that Jacob is Ben's father, we have yet to find out.

My theory is that Jacob is Ben's father and Jacob is also going to turn out to be the son of Alvar Hanso, making Benry the grandson of Alvar Hanso. Jacob is a Scandinavian name, too, and we know Alvar Hanso is Dutch.

Just something I was working out in my head. ;)

Locke would have been the one of the first on the plane and everyone would have walked past him, if cooper was in the rear hew would have had to walk past Locke

Cooper's a wealthy man, so he would most likely be in first class as the front of the plane and Locke would never have seen him. It's quite possible that he survived the crash - after all, the pilot did.

The name Jacob was also shown on the screen when Karl was strapped in that torture chair. I think Jacob will be a big part of the show. I do not think that Cooper is Jacob, however. Christian maybe . . .

I think Cooper looks like Hanso from that shadowy image we've seen of him. Why Cooper/Hanso would want to scam people or Locke and then nearly kill him is beyond me.

But something I was considering was that all of the people in TMFT that encountered Locke -- the Son, the Rich Mom, the detectives -- were all part of a long con on Locke. But then Cooper attempted to kill Locke, which made the con seem irrelevant.

Cooper was a Con Man. Perhaps he got bored with his cons (I mean gee, he conned a KIDNEY out of his own son!) so he is pulling off the ultimate con. Cooper is Jacob. And the "real" Sawyer, instead of the one we know of as Sawyer. The whole island is Cooper's Con.

Yes I'm confused but... :biggrin:

Thanks for filling me in!
So Jacob could be anyone - even Kate p;)

Now I have to really rethink this -
IF Cooper is Jacob would that mean that John's father plays a major role with the Others and therefore John is in danger?