Okay, I actually liked this episode. I loved the detective/mystery element to it. And there were a lot of great moments such as the one between Ben and Juliet, for example.

However, how does being buried alive make you iconic? Is this not the end of Nikki and Paulo, or are they going to dig their way out? Because if it is the end, I'm not really getting Damon's comment about them becoming iconic characters. Maybe I was expecting too much?

Does anyone else feel the same way or can someone enlighten me here? ;)

Romeo & Juliet?

Isn't this thread title too much of a spoiler? The whole of the US hasn't watched the ep yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm here for the spoilers, but the ep hasn't even started for most people, and this thread title may ruin the experience for them. I don't know if mods have a rule for this.

However, how does being buried alive make you iconic? Is this not the end of Nikki and Paulo, or are they going to dig their way out? Because if it is the end, I'm not really getting Damon's comment about them becoming iconic characters. Maybe I was expecting too much?

Does anyone else feel the same way or can someone enlighten me here? ;)

Exactly what I was thinking.. I have no idea what Damon meant about how this episode will make them iconic. I can hope that someone might save Nikki, but why would someone dig them up in the first place? And by that time Nikki would be dead.

I guess the story is sort of like Romeo and Juliet.. with the poisoning, but.... not.

Isn't this thread title too much of a spoiler? The whole of the US hasn't watched the ep yet.

Don't get me wrong, I'm here for the spoilers, but the ep hasn't even started for most people, and this thread title may ruin the experience for them. I don't know if mods have a rule for this.

Oh crap! I didn't think about that... I'm SO sorry if anyone saw this thread and was spoiled. That's the last thing I was trying to do. :redface:


MODs, can you edit the title and change it to: "So... how does that make one iconic?"

the only thing I can think of is that Nikki and Paulo killed someone in their past in a conscious, deliberate and sinister way (vs crimes of passion for Sawyer and Kate) aand when they reached the island they didn't change (like Eko did for a while) as a result the island is punishing them by having them buried alive.

I'm sorry but wasn't there supposed to be a big "game-changer" "big-bomb" in this episode? If there was I totally missed it, what is going on? Where was the big reveal?

the only thing I can think of is that Nikki and Paulo killed someone in their past in a conscious, deliberate and sinister way (vs crimes of passion for Sawyer and Kate) aand when they reached the island they didn't change (like Eko did for a while) as a result the island is punishing them by having them buried alive. And was that the monster sound when Nikki was bitten? I think you're right, they might have been killed on purpose by the island.

So Hurley might have been right to repeat 'Monster' all over again! :D

And was that the monster sound when Nikki was bitten? I think you're right, they might have been killed on purpose by the island.

So Hurley might have been right to repeat 'Monster' all over again! :D

Yes it was one of the monster sounds right before nikki got bitten, just like the monster sound ,in the cost of living when Eko was in the woods and all the visions of the men he killed appeared before him. Those spiders could very well have been a manifestation of the monster,

Okay.. they found the plane and the hatch wayyy before our Losties did. Could that make them iconic?? :confused:

I'm sorry but wasn't there supposed to be a big "game-changer" "big-bomb" in this episode? If there was I totally missed it, what is going on? Where was the big reveal?

I think the big bomb may have been ben and juliet in the pearl, or perhaps pikky finding the pearl, if that in fact was the bomb it was rather dissapointing although interesting that the others knew about the pearl and were using it up until ben was captured by danielle maybe they were watching them after that as well to keep tabs on ben.

There was no game changer, and they are not iconic.

This was so disappointing. They weren't even the moles? Is there even a mole?

The Monster could have been exciting, but it didn't show up when she got bitten. :frown:

Yes it was one of the monster sounds right before nikki got bitten, just like the monster sound ,in the cost of living when Eko was in the woods and all the visions of the men he killed appeared before him. Those spiders could very well have been a manifestation of the monster,

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. They did seem unrepetent, so I'm thinking the island killed them like with Eko. I don't think that's necessarily iconic though, especially since it's already happened to a character we cared about (not that I didn't like this episode though)

I think the big bomb may have been ben and juliet in the pearl, or perhaps pikky finding the pearl, if that in fact was the bomb it was rather dissapointing although interesting that the others knew about the pearl and were using it up until ben was captured by danielle maybe they were watching them after that as well to keep tabs on ben.

I hope that's not the bomb... From the way it's been talked about it seems like it was supposed to be a huge shock, jump the shark-type moment. I don't really think the Others knowing about the Pearl qualifies.... Maybe it's that Hurley and Sawyer just killed two people? I don't know.

I didn't feel like there was a 'game-changer' in this one. Nor do I think Nikki and Paolo are really iconic. Much more interesting, for sure, but I'm not seeing the iconic.

why did TPTB have to say they were iconic, this just raises the expectations and seems to have left us confused and perhaps a bit disappointed. I really enjoyed this epi and appreciated the innuedo, subtlely and how it was interweaved within the entire storyline, but iconic hmmm

I did love this episode--it was great to see our old (deceased) friends, and the buried-alive story was SOOO creepy--but it's a little puzzling because it didn't really relate to any other plotline, at least not so far.

I guess "buried alive plotline" = "iconic." The writers did a good job with that old chestnut.

There were no repercussions for the reveal of Sawyer's and Charlie's treachery with Sun--I guess that will be played out later?

I'm sure the "game changer" was last week--the magic box. And of course the "character bomb" was Desmond's time travel episode. This seems to be sort of a stand-alone episode.

I guess "buried alive plotline" = "iconic." The writers did a good job with that old chestnut.


This is what I figured. Just the thought of being burried alive, what could be worse?

I did love seeing Boone, Shannon, Dr. Artz and Vincent. All in all it was kinda cool to see some of the scenes from a different perspective. Given the fact that Niki and Paulo are now dead, I loved this episode.

i wouldn't read too much into it. i think burying 2 characters alive on primetime is pretty iconic, as well as their peripheral interactions with the main characters. i thought this episode was pure entertainment!

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I'm sure the "game changer" was last week--the magic box. And of course the "character bomb" was Desmond's time travel episode. This seems to be sort of a stand-alone episode.


Thats right and the way off the island(sub) being blown up. That changed the game more than anything..and thats what they meant ..

TPTB said the losties wll now spend much reflection on the fact that the sub was blown up

I think what they setup for next week(in the pearl scene), which some of us said from episode 1, was that Kate and sawyer were put in those cages to fall in love, and have him see it on the monitor, so Jack would feel like an outsider. This would make him more likely to take Bens deal

I also heard that in addition to making Pikki "iconic" it would make those of us who hate Pikki, like them. Well, I'm one who hates Pikki and after watching this episode, I hate them even more.

I also heard that in addition to making Pikki "iconic" it would make those of us who hate Pikki, like them. Well, I'm one who hates Pikki and after watching this episode, I hate them even more.

Count me in, I still hate them. And I'll lose my mind if Locke's comment about nothing staying burried on this island means that we'll be seeing these two again.

I know this is a stretch but maybe they're iconic b/c they're the first beach Losties to be killed by another beach Lostie. Michael killed two Tailies and Ana killed a beach Lostie but as best as I can remember, this is the first beach Lostie to kill another of their own group. And what a way to do it!

Ok, people read WAY too much into Damon and Carlton's commentary from the podcasts. I always take them as kind of tongue in cheek. I thought the comments about Nikki and Paulo becoming "iconic" were weird, and this episode confirms that it was all kind of a dark joke. They realized that they were almost universally hated from the getgo (and heck, might have been written that way for all we know) but whatever the case may be, they did the most satisfying thing they could: Give them a pretty disturbing death. In the meantime, we got some great scenes with the late Arzt, Ethan, Boone, and Shannon, and a cool scene in the Pearl. Also a great cameo by Billy Dee Williams, some confessions, and some funny in-jokes.

I think that's all this episode was supposed to accomplish.

Perhaps they meant iconically ironic.

I was spoiled by this thread title. But it's only Nikki & Paolo...so no biggie.

Nikki & Paolo - still hate them.

Game changer - no.
Bomb - no.
Iconic - don't see it.

Nikki & Paolo were tools. They were brought in simply to tie some things together and answer some questions in an unusual way. That is, unless they survive and later serve some real purpose in the storyline.

When the ep began with Sawyer asking again "Who's Nikki?" I expected to learn that she was of some great importance, or someone to admire for some reason. But it turns out that she was just a greedy killer bimbo.

i also remember hearing that the big game changer bomb was set-up by desmond's flashback in FBYE and that it would be continued in this episode. I'm sorry but there was no connection for me, nor was there a game changer. anyone know what happened?

I took their comment of iconic to mean Nikki and Paulo would become representative of something. If you consider how they didn't trust each other and lied to one another, bringing about their own live burials, you could draw a parallel to many of the other Losties and the fate that might await them if they don't learn to "live together."

Wait, I must be missing something. When did anyone say that the big game-changer would be this episode specifically? If they did, that's news to me. Can someone cite a source?

As far as I was aware, TPTB only said that there would be a couple of big game-changers somewhere in the second half of the season, and that FBYE was sort of a setup for one of them. I don't know where people are getting the idea that it was supposed to be this episode, but if it's legit, I would love to know.

As for "iconic," I think they will be remembered as a very unique experiment on Lost-- an episode devoted to people who are essentially redshirts, likely a formula not to be repeated. We also got tidbits of new information, such as the Pearl hatch and revisiting locations and characters from earlier episodes. That's a big reason why the episode was entertaining.

Arzt became iconic,
so maybe if they stay dead they way they died will make them iconic

Arzt became iconic,
so maybe if they stay dead they way they died will make them iconic

exactly what I was thinking. Now that they're dead, they'll be iconic characters because everyone hated them and now its over. Even though people hated them, they still are talked about all the time, and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. TPTB killed them off because of the fans. The fans have influence on the show. Therefore, TPTB will grant us any wish we command....


I want to see Kate and Juliet go at it in the rain on the next episode of Lost :cool:

When they said they would be iconic characters I always thought they meant..."when all is said and done they will be iconic characters"... I don't think they meant they would be iconic because of this episode. I think everyone is jumping the gun here..:ohwell:

..unless I am mistaken.

When they said they would be iconic characters I always thought they meant..."when all is said and done they will be iconic characters"... I don't think they meant they would be iconic because of this episode. I think everyone is jumping the gun here..:ohwell:

..unless I am mistaken.

I totally agree with you, and I also think that it is not the end of them, or at least is not the end of Nikki, I am pretty sure we will see Vincent dig her up just in time (he knows they not dead) and also I think the game changer are the spiders, eight hours paralysis and you look dead, I might be wrong but I said this already in the spoiler section before the episode was aired, I am keep on thinking of two things: Christhian body not in the coffin, and the girl Eko was investigating that wake up from being dead..
Could also the spiders have been used before by the others etc. to bring unwilling people to the island???

I totally agree with you, and I also think that it is not the end of them, or at least is not the end of Nikki, I am pretty sure we will see Vincent dig her up just in time (he knows they not dead) and also I think the game changer are the spiders, eight hours paralysis and you look dead, I might be wrong but I said this already in the spoiler section before the episode was aired, I am keep on thinking of two things: Christhian body not in the coffin, and the girl Eko was investigating that wake up from being dead..
Could also the spiders have been used before by the others etc. to bring unwilling people to the island???
them being ''iconic''can bring em back to life i guess.but as for Christian,i doubt he s not dead.TPTB have confiermed hes very dead and not coming back,unfortunately.of course this is lost were talking about....